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...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 1:56pm

Wife is due for a new car but wants to wait(GA Ad Velorem tax)..
 
In GA we have an ad velorem tax. Think of it as an annual property tax on your car that is a present you get to give the state every year the month of your birthday. Anyway its finally going away in March of 2013. Basically if you buy a new or used car from a stealership after Marchwhateverthefukdayitis all you pay is your counties one time sales tax and thats it. No more annual ad velorem tax. To put this in perspective my G8 runs me like $270 a year and as the car depreciates the tax amount goes down. Now if you buy before Marchwhateverthefukdayitis from a dealer you get stuck with the sales tax from your county and the annual ad velorem tax until you sell the car. As a result March and April are gonna be a big month for dealer sales in GA due to people holding off on buying. BTW no sales tax on used private party sales, just ad velorem. I always buy year or two old cars and am willing to travel to get them becasue of this private party savings.

ANYWAY... Now that i edumucated all you guys heres the deal. My wifes car is 5 years old (we have had it for 3) and pushing 90k. She wants a new car and is due for a new car but her logic is to hold off until Marchwhateverthefukdayitis so she doesn't have to pay the ad velorem moving forward for the next 3 or 4 years she has her next car. I get it. It makes sense. What she doesn't get is that her car needs tires now ($900), needs a module thats associated with the AHS ($500), and probably will need pads too before Marchwhateverthefukdayitis ($150). That's $1,500-$1,600 worth of shit inside of the next 6 months provided nothing else comes up that her car will need.

Now guess how much the ad velorem tax is on What she would replace her car with.

$250-$300 a year which will go down every year as it depreciates.. So on the high end of $300 a year over 3 years it will be $900 versus $1,600.

But, she still wants to wait.. :banghead:

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 1:56pm

BTW here's a cool site i came across GA people.. https://etax.dor.ga.gov/advalorem/default.aspx

Stangkiller 08-21-2012 2:00pm

Another thought is, if sales in GA will be as high as you say they will be in March and April. You could probably save another $1k or more on the vehicle she wants now, vs. next year.

DJ_Critterus 08-21-2012 2:01pm

I got hit with that in 2006/2007 and I wasn't even a damn resident. Military sued the tax office and the person in charge big time over that.

jaxgator 08-21-2012 2:02pm

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Originally Posted by ...Whitepower... (Post 741054)
BTW no sales tax on used private party sales, just ad velorem.

I had to pay sales tax on my last used vehicle purchase here. Anyone moving into the state would have to pay sales tax on any car they registered here but I think that has been repealed.

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Originally Posted by ...Whitepower... (Post 741054)
$250-$300 a year which will go down every year as it depreciates.. So on the high end of $300 a year over 3 years it will be $900 versus $1,600.

But, she still wants to wait.. :banghead:

That doesn't make any sense. What part about spending a minimum of $700 extra does she not understand?

Stangkiller 08-21-2012 2:03pm

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Originally Posted by jaxgator (Post 741066)
I had to pay sales tax on my last used vehicle purchase here. Anyone moving into the state would have to pay sales tax on any car they registered here but I think that has been repealed.



That doesn't make any sense. What part about spending a minimum of $700 extra does she not understand?

But don't forget time value of money too. $900 cash upfront is NOT the same thing as $300 a year for 3 years.

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 2:04pm

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Originally Posted by Stangkiller (Post 741062)
Another thought is, if sales in GA will be as high as you say they will be in March and April. You could probably save another $1k or more on the vehicle she wants now, vs. next year.

We wouldn't be affected by any influx in dealer sales as we would be buying private party.

jeff w 08-21-2012 2:05pm

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Originally Posted by jaxgator (Post 741066)


That doesn't make any sense. What part about spending a minimum of $700 extra does she not understand?

women<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->logic

Stangkiller 08-21-2012 2:06pm

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Originally Posted by ...Whitepower... (Post 741070)
We wouldn't be affected by any influx in dealer sales as we would be buying private party.

You think that still won't effect the price of a used car?

But also, if you do those repairs, will you be able to get more money for the car in 6 months? You might be able to break even.

jaxgator 08-21-2012 2:06pm

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Originally Posted by jeff w (Post 741073)
women<------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->logic

Oh yeah, I forgot. :funny:

DJ_Critterus 08-21-2012 2:07pm

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Originally Posted by Stangkiller (Post 741062)
Another thought is, if sales in GA will be as high as you say they will be in March and April. You could probably save another $1k or more on the vehicle she wants now, vs. next year.

Yeah, but then he gets screwed paying the ad velorem tax until he sells the car. After 4 years or so he could be potentially paying more int taxes than he saved.

Stangkiller 08-21-2012 2:10pm

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Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus (Post 741076)
Yeah, but then he gets screwed paying the ad velorem tax until he sells the car. After 4 years or so he could be potentially paying more int taxes than he saved.

You're missing the point of his post. He wants to buy now and pay the Ad Velorem taxes, which at most will be $1,000.

She wants to put $1,500 in repairs on her existing car, just to drive it until March when she get get a new car, to save $1,000 in taxes.

But if there's a chance you can get an extra $500+ out of the sale of her existing car, because of the new tires/no check engine light. Then maybe, just maybe she might have a point. Especially if car prices goes up for a few months, as everybody has held off buying for a few months, everybody will buy all at once.

Bucwheat 08-21-2012 2:11pm

Thanks Mark,I didn't know that Ad Velorem tax was going away,wonder what will take it's place,they don't give up easy when repealing taxes.

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 2:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaxgator (Post 741066)
I had to pay sales tax on my last used vehicle purchase here. Anyone moving into the state would have to pay sales tax on any car they registered here but I think that has been repealed.

That doesn't make any sense. What part about spending a minimum of $700 extra does she not understand?

Dunno.. Gonna spell this all out for her one night this week when i have time to get a tire and pad quote and run the numbers on the taxes on that link i posted for the 3 cars she's looking into right now. The more i think about it the more i think she forgot about the AHS issue as it was diagnosed 2 months back and i have been procrastinating about fixing it due to wanting to get her into something newer.

I might do a powerpoint presesntation for her with the help of my kids.. :lol:

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 2:20pm

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Originally Posted by Stangkiller (Post 741074)
You think that still won't effect the price of a used car?

Not really as i travel to find the best deals. Bought my Z06 in Chicago, S4 in Houston, wifes Santa Fe in Boston, Wifes Rabbit in Phili, etc.. I'm all about the private party deals at the best price.

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 2:22pm

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Originally Posted by Bucwheat (Post 741080)
Thanks Mark,I didn't know that Ad Velorem tax was going away,wonder what will take it's place,they don't give up easy when repealing taxes.

Check this out.. He may explain it better than me. Forgot about the 1% sales tax increase part.

NEW INFO: Sales tax AND ad valorem tax on vehicles in Georgia being replaced by "title tax" | 11alive.com

Not that i just saw that it seems like their will be a tax on the blue book value of used cars now after Marchwhateverthefukdayitis. All the more reason to buy now in my opinoin..:island14:

Looks like dealers have finally leveled the playing field against private party sales.. That sux.

Bill 08-21-2012 4:07pm

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Originally Posted by Stangkiller (Post 741074)
You think that still won't effect the price of a used car?

But also, if you do those repairs, will you be able to get more money for the car in 6 months? You might be able to break even.

If he doesn't do the repairs, he might not find a buyer for the car, except at a rock bottom giveaway price. Would you buy a car with 4 slick tires and other mechanical work needed? I would go on to the next car that everything was operating normally. Most folks don't want to deal with repairs right out of the gate.


I vote for wait until the tax thingie goes away, although I bet the price of used cars will spike for a few months. This is bad on the buying end, but will be good on the selling end.

mrvette 08-21-2012 4:27pm

TWO questions...WTF is about 4 tires running 900 bux?? what you buying??

120 bux/wheel out the door is your price....all else is a rip off....

500 bux for some module?? what module, those call out letter/number mean nothing, what it DO??

90k is nothing, drive it a easy 250k miles.....

:rofl:

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 4:29pm

Tires are far from bald but it will need em soon.

And i cleared the CEL.:D

...Whitepower... 08-21-2012 4:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrvette (Post 741243)
TWO questions...WTF is about 4 tires running 900 bux?? what you buying??

120 bux/wheel out the door is your price....all else is a rip off....

500 bux for some module?? what module, those call out letter/number mean nothing, what it DO??

90k is nothing, drive it a easy 250k miles.....

:rofl:

No.

Bill 08-21-2012 8:05pm

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Originally Posted by Waco (Post 741503)
Then almost every tire I've ever bought was a ripoff. Good to know. :rofl:

I'm guessing mrvette still buys bias ply tires? Or maybe retreads?

lspencer534 08-21-2012 8:13pm

*ad valorem

69camfrk 08-21-2012 8:14pm

I bought tags just the othe day. Chicks at the office seem to think it's just going to take a new shape. Essentially if you buy a used car from a friend, no tax paid. That is where the numbers will get weird for the simple reason I could tell you that I'm selling out my limited editition Volt for 30 grand. We all know that's not reasonable, so between sellers and on paper, the price comes down to an amazing 4 grand for paperwork purposes of course.:seasix:

...Whitepower... 08-22-2012 8:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69camfrk (Post 741510)
I bought tags just the othe day. Chicks at the office seem to think it's just going to take a new shape. Essentially if you buy a used car from a friend, no tax paid. That is where the numbers will get weird for the simple reason I could tell you that I'm selling out my limited editition Volt for 30 grand. We all know that's not reasonable, so between sellers and on paper, the price comes down to an amazing 4 grand for paperwork purposes of course.:seasix:

That's not my understanding. From what i have read private party sales will be taxed just like dealer sales now. The tax will be based off a NADA type value.

Annual car tax nears an end *| ajc.com

Quote:

While one tax is going away, legislators tacked on a new tax on private sales of vehicles, which had been a tax-free exchange. Like the removal of the ad valorem tax, auto dealers had a standing request at the General Assembly to tax person-to-person sales.

House Majority Leader Larry O’Neal, R-Bonaire, said putting so-called “casual” sales and cars sold by dealers on an even playing field is fair.

“There are only two other states besides us that have casual sales exemptions,” he said.

mrvette 08-22-2012 8:33am

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 741504)
I'm guessing mrvette still buys bias ply tires? Or maybe retreads?

For instance, last year for front of the motor home, I bought two NEW LT 225/75/16 truck tires ....225 bux out the door, mounted balanced, with tax....

in the rear, I got 08 date code 4 matching tires LT 215/75/16 for 200 bux even, mounted balanced, out the door with tax.....

front of the vette, several years ago....255/50/17 240 bux same gig....

rear of vette, been a longer time and these are sadly NLA 275/50/17 220 bux same gig.....

tires for Escort, 165? 60/15 two NEW out the door for......140 bux.....

for some reason the TIRE business is very competitive here in my region, must be well over a dozen tire stores just within 5 miles of my house, maybe closer to TWO dozen..... only ONE closed up shop in the 15 years I been here, and 2-3 opened....so go figger....

lander 08-22-2012 8:40am

In SC we pay personal propety tax every year on every vehicle that is licensed. When you buy a car from a private party, you have to pay the taxes on it first (sales tax, capped at $300 new or used) then you can go to the DMV to get a tag. The value is based upon whatever is written on the title being transferred, not on any outside valuation (KBB, NADA, etc.) so obviously that gets abused.

Bucwheat 08-22-2012 1:37pm

I kinda knew that the consumer would not get ahead on this deal.


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