Official 'They Killed the Boy Scouts' Thread
 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...d-into-program

I realize participation in scouting has declined over the years, but this seems a lot like "we have to kill the patient to save it."

I'd say the reason scouting is on the decline is the increasing number of leftists, feminists, communists, socialists, and other groups who abhor traditional, wholesome, instruction of our youth.

It's further proof that many of those groups have been co-opted by actual communists. JFK liberals had their kids in scouting, and didn't see the skills taught, and the self reliant "be prepared," message of empowerment as somehow threatening.

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So.......how do you really feel about it ?

nothing stopping a dad or mom from teaching their son or daughter various life skills.

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True, but scouting has an actual physical infrastructure that has apparently been captured by the SJW's. They have prime real estate, existing programs and structure,history, respect, and everyone's favorite intangible, goodwill.

If it's so all gosh darned important for girls to be able to become Eagle Scouts, I'm sure such a pathway could be designed and implemented by....the Girl Scouts.

Heck, I'm not even opposed to having activity mingles with the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. If two troops want to do the same activity on the same day, great! That's not what this is though. This is something less wholesome, and very insidious.

"No, I don't like it. Not one little bit."

Dr. Seuss

Just more pussification of America. Once they had to allow the queers in I saw the writing on the wall.

My two kids went through Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts and both made Eagle. I was a merit badge counselor for boating and shooting. My wife was a counselor also.

The Boy Scouts as I knew it is dying FAST. Just another tradition the liberals are ****ing up. A very large, nice, long time scout camp up by me is now not viable due to lack of participation and for sale. They have a couple serious bidders and by Monday a good chance it will be sold. 300 very nice acres along side a large creek.

similar things have happened to various church denominations over the last 50 or so years. infected by liberals, and now just shells of what they used to be.

This is truly sad.

The libs have killed an American institution.

Ultimately their motivation was simply more division. Nothing more, nothing less.

This time it was traditional values vs progressive bullshit.

Other divisions they use are black vs white, brown vs white, religious vs atheist, rich vs poor, etc.

Divide and conquer. Straight out of Alinsky.

Sad!


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Sure wish I could argue against you on every point, but at last, you are 100% correct. The country we grew up in is going down the shitter in a hurry.

If there is really that much demand for an Eagle Scout for girls, why doesn't the Girl Scouts add that? :confused5:

*alas

Unless of course, you're saying that Clark has never been right before... :leaving:

Their program has different designs and focuses and it's built entirely differently.

For all the folks complaining in here, how many of you are actually involved in the scouting movement?

The reality is that the changes to the program are because people are asking for it. I had two younger sisters that would have been much more interested in the BSA program than the Girl Scouts. They did Girl Scouts, but lost interest because of this.

So, instead of the Girl Scouts changing with the times and offering content of interest to today's modern girl, let's destroy a beloved institution like the Boy Scouts instead. The Boy Scouts could have offered program material, facilities rental, etc., to help Girl Scout troops with interest to pursue disciplines promulgated by the Boy Scouts. As stated, I don't even see an issue with some joint activities by both groups.

If you sisters could have had some content overlap, like hiking, archery, or whatever, would they have lost interest in the Girl Scouts?

Full disclosure: Was a scout, no kids, so not involved now.

no kids, was never a scout, or even interested in being a scout.

before we met, Mrs. DAB's daughter was in a GS troup that Mrs. DAB ran. from what i'm told, the girls had a great time. until HQ found out that she was running a troup of about 40 girls - by herself. :slap: they split it up a bit.

I was a Cub Scout, Webelos Scout and a Boy Scout.

So does my opinion matter?


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Ackshully even if I hadn't been involved... would my opinion would still have mattered?

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I'm not seeing this as the destruction of a beloved institution. Women have been involved with scouting for a long time. Even at the beloved Philmont, women have been rangers for close to 50 years.
https://www.outsideonline.com/230069...d-girl-rangers

I think this graphic will help people understand what's changing, and how much isn't changing.

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I'm not sure why the Girl Scouts don't change. That's their prerogative.

The issue why my sisters lost interest wasn't due to activities, it was fundamental program design. They saw my brother and I get opportunities for leadership development that just aren't available in the Girl Scouts (and wouldn't be available unless they did an entire restructure). That really separates the two programs, and isn't an easily fixable option.

How long have the Boy Scouts needed an administrative position like this:

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Seeing as the BSA is hosting a World Jamboree in 2019, with an expected 35,000+ participants from around the world, it's likely a valuable position.

The BSA also has a long history of being predominantly like me, white and middle class.

Part of the shift towards a more family based activity is a reach out to families that operate differently. When your business is people, it helps to have people thinking outside the box.

Third row, second column.

Is changing that entry to include girls the only way to make things fair?

No idea if it's about being fair.

I'd say it's about supplying a demand. Girl Scouts provide programming to 1.8 million girls. BSA thinks their program will appeal to families and build leadership. Girl Scouts are welcome to do the same if they like. It's their choice.

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If it works that way, great.


I still say it's going to kill the institution. And there was no need to. The Girl Scouts could have made a better, bolder program than the BSA's Eagle Scout program, one that's worth even more and is harder to achieve.

But they didn't. :dunno:

My bet is that the Boy Scout's enrollment numbers will plummet to a fraction of what is current, by Feb 2019.

I guess time will tell.

Sure your opinion matters, it just helps me structure argument. BSA is an alphabet soup agency and it allows me to make appropriate references. It's intimidating for those who aren't familiar.

I'll admit I'm biased. I have a lot invested in the program (time, financials, commitments) because it gave me a lot as a young man.

I'm excited to see more community service projects, more support of national forests and national parks. I'm currently helping plan a big national service project for the National Mall in 2023. We're hoping to get 5000+ people to help. I don't think we'll struggle getting those numbers. There are some cool opportunities here, and I think it'll be great to have young men working next to young women making it happen.

Looks like the Girl Scouts aren't too happy about having some of their membership poached:

http://view.email.girlscouts.org/?qs...2fe16b077696e1

i'll buy Girl Scout cookies :yum: , but i'm not buying "scout" cookies :nono:

BSA had their national headquarters just off Wisc ave, north Bethesda Md... stone building, small by modern standards....maybe 2 dozen offices in it....

I did some work in the building, near 40 years ago, kitchens as I recall.....and I always had a weird feeling about the place, something just struck me as being a tad off key....

never did put a finger on just what.....and now this.....:issues:

Ted, folks are upset at the cumulative results of which the BSA is just another of the progressive touchy, feely silliness. The progressive loons are destroying the rules that got the US to be the big dog in a room full of pups. Just my .02.

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Baby Bear was a Scout Camp Counselor for two summers. We had this conversation at school today. It's kind of interesting- liberal female teachers can't understand why girls would want to participate in the Boy Scouts... or what the whole draw was.

So basically, on both sides... liberal females can't understand why girls wanted to participate in Boy Scouts... conservative males can't understand why Boy Scouts would let them. :confused5:

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See post #7 for my answer! Been there done it!

To add to my post 7 my boys both did Jamborees, Maine Hi Adventure and Sea base & a trip to England for two weeks staying with the British Scouts families. We also reciprocated and hosted the British boy scouts for 2 weeks here!

it just doesn't stop/ We're fecked.....

Those progressives won't ever stop. They'll just pick another target and hack away at it until it's all busted up, then move on to another one.

IF the "Scouts" survive and recruit girls, then the Girl Scouts may not survive.

Then in a couple of decades, people will rediscover that boys and girls are different, and the "Scouts" may split into the "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts".

I can respect it. I don't understand it, but I can respect it.

My take is that out side of the military, it's hard to find an organization that is as dedicated to building leaders. It's built into the rank advancement, it's built into the training, it's a focus of the entire program. Leadership is built into the DNA. There's a reason why Eagle Scouts get a promotion in the military. The other co-ed programs (Venturing, Exploring) offer leadership components, but it's not built into the program that the rank and file participate in.

If Girl Scouts have that, it's not well promoted or advertised (at least until recently).

Why wouldn't we want to develop more leadership capabilities in our people of tomorrow? Good leaders know when to lead, and when to follow. They get things done. From my view point, we need more good leaders, not fewer.

YMMV.

Maybe, but it hasn't happened yet in any of the other 157 countries that have integrated scouting programs.

I can understand why girls would want to join the BSA but I can't see how there won't be a new "Baby's Daddy" badge. I've lived through 2 USN Destroyer Tenders that were half female sailors. The number of births and pregnancies while underway were unreal. And this was with horny 20+ year olds.
Go ahead, lets see 9 months after your first combined jamboree.

I remember church camp between 6th and 7th grade, it was coed, and lasted seven days. The girls were more aggressive than the boys were. A group of them tricked me, got me alone in some wooded area, tied me to a tree, took turns kissing me, and then put Nair on my arms and left me there tied to a tree. I didn't try very hard to stop them from tying me up, but can you imagine if a group of boys did that to a chick? My friend Todd found me not long after and I washed that vile Nair off my arms. Not sure why they wasted that on me, I was pretty hairless back then.

How many people here will truly be personally affected by this change? If yes, how so?

Speak of the devil-The Samuel Gompers "Unofficial" slogan. :funnier:

I have 2 Grandsons close to Cub Scout age-so me.

I will be. I actively volunteer at the district, council, regional, and national level.

One of the sub-camps at this last jamboree was fully integrated with coed venture crews and international scouts. I did have a few issues with some of my guys not respecting boundaries, and I had to have some very frank conversations, but that's part of working with and mentoring young people.

World Jamborees have been coed for decades. :shrug:

What do you guys thinks the true impact will be? Good or bad? I want to understand the perspective from you guys.

Short term? Who cares? It's the Boy Scouts. Long term? It's what we've been pointing out for, well, pretty much my entire adult life. The long march of the left through the Western institutions, the communist progressive left or whatever you want to call it, continues unabated. Each little battle is a victory for the subjugation of humanity. You might think this to be the ramblings of a madman, hyperbole, or whatever the hell you want to call it. But just for example, look at the political makeup of any major Western institution 50 years ago. And contrast and compare it to today. For a concrete example tell me how many conservative, right-leaning college professors there are in the Ivy Leagues. Hell, in any university system anymore.

No, I couldn't give a rat's ass about this latest little incremental move. It's just par for the course, isn't it? There was the Boy Scouts, and the Girl Scouts. But that couldn't be left alone. No. They love nothing more than brainwashing them early.

I can see the wheels turning in your head "Wait, maybe this is a good thing! Maybe these institutions needed to be changed for the better. Maybe gutting them and turning them into something new and better is what should be done!"

Well, OK, you can think that if you want. But it's terribly naive and incorrect. Dangerously so. Just look what third wave feminism has done to first/second wave.

My grandson started in cub scouts went thru webelos and is now in boys scouts. I take him to all scout functions, his dad passed away when he was a little over a year old. I'm a former scout myself. I personally don't like it, the adults will be discussing this soon.

FWIW, the Boy Scouts have allowed (and welcomed) female participants in Explorer posts for a long time now. I was an Explorer for a number of years way back when and the ladies were a welcome addition to the activities. Post 1369, I shit you not.

Yeah, that wasn’t enough. It’s like Augusta National said you can play the par-3 course, but not the real golf course. They were never going to stop until fully converted. Note that the Girl Scouts remain unchanged. Because not a target.

I did not mention that this was at possibly 40 years ago when the sexes were 2, and the twain never did meet. I do recall some of our female members coming aboard because the Girl Scouts offered nothing similar to their membership at the time. I suspect that might still be the case?

EDIT: Our Post was centered around outdoor activities like rock climbing, skiing, and motorsport. Yes, the girls crewed at Lime Rock as well as attacking overhangs in the Shawangunks.

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Now dont go too far in that rabbit hole, I want to understand and make an educated decision. Dont make an assumption about my stance because Im seeking answers. I want to understand the good, the bad, and the ugly. I prefer to make an educated response.

Will there be good that comes out of this, probably will. Will there be bad, of course. I for see lots of growing pains. I think this was positioned entirely wrong. I would think a merger would have gone over better, and been more accepting. But maybe that wasn't the point. Maybe they wanted controversy to try and get more membership to both programs. Enough resistance and people will dig their feet in the ground in opposition. Its human nature.

I was in scouts and grew to hate it. I jump to a few different troops as I thought some were better than others. Some were considered more prestigious than other. I did learn some valuable lessons about ethics and leadership. What is it also exposed me to favoritism, corruption.

Change is inevitable. You can resist, you can follow, or you can be part of the change. Each path has it's own challenges. What people need to understand is when you know better you do better. If you look at the root of many of today's issues, it boils down to ignorance. Education is key, and being open to learning will take you much further in life. I dont want to stay in one bubble for my whole life. I want to learn, I want to explore, I want to go as far as possible in life, good, bad, and ugly.

I'm going to go with mixed.

I think you'll see increases in membership in more diverse areas and population centers.

I also think you'll see more rural areas take a hit. This will likely not pitch well in the South (as seen by this thread).

People who are younger than me (under 35) are generally in favor of it, by looking at my social media feeds. Folks who are older (50+) generally don't like it. I think we're seeing some generational shifts.

I did get asked by my local council to be a part of some information gathering meetings during Spring of 2017 as someone who is vested in the program. I didn't speak much, I actually went more to listen. Local scouters I work with want to see more people in scouting, not less. They are excited at the potential at helping more young people, not less.

I get that scouting isn't for everyone, and I'm fortunate to work with some of the best (one young man I've been working with on some national initiatives over the last 3 years just got accepted as a Fulbright scholar). It's helped me be more successful, and my goal is to pay it forward. YMMV.

Yeah, it's not as if the SJW's only recently turned their sights on this institution. No, they've been chipping away at it for 20+ years. It takes awhile to infiltrate and hollow out an institution. Fortunately for them, they are super good at it. Then, once they have succeeded in destroying yet another Western institution, they'll wear the carcass as a hair suit and demand your respect.

You might be right. The LDS just announced it is severing ties with BSA. Note the following:

They are just taking 450,000 Boy Scouts out of the new Scouts BSA. That's all. But the new Scouts BSA, with it's lovely social justice agenda, and no doubt a merit badges in "Reporting Your Parents to the Authorities" for wrong-think, climate change apathy, lack of donations to the DNC and Planned Parenthood, and ownership of a MAGA hat or fully semi-automatic assault rifle - it's a glorious new day! :seasix:

Sounds a lot like D.A.R.E.

By the time the kids who have narc'd on their parents realize the irreparable harm they have done to their families, it is too late.

Oh, it gets better. Remember when the Boy Scouts were sued and agreed to allow openly homosexual scout leaders? Take a wild guess who it was that forced that on them. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.