Conservatives need to quit hating on Tesla
 

This is my opinion of course, but I ask...

Who, besides Trump, has done more for conservatives in the last 8 years than Elon Musk?

He's not even a conservative but what he did with Twitter to expose the swamp and allow the truth to be seen can't be understated. He exposed more proof of the deep state than Trump did. All made possible by that battery powered car that conservatives love to hate.

Let the hate and debate rage :issues:

I certainly don't hate Tesla or Musk. I hate the .gov trying to force us to choose EVs, but that's not Tesla's or Musk's fault.

Elon Musk is the savior of free speech.. Yes, there is still censorship but for privacy reasons and not viewpoint censorship.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/busine...ronment-study/

As stated, most in here think Musk is a patriot, a good dood, but evS are BS, not what we are told, and are certainly NOT going to save our planet.
The big issue is we are being asked to abandon the second greatest invention that man has given us, the ICE.
First greatest invention is scotch, I hope you all knew that!!

I didn't buy an PHEV to save the environment/planet...I couldn't care less. I bought it b/c it saves me about $4-500/month in gas.

Musk is our modern day Henry Ford. I think he is a strange dude but I have big respect because he is a doer.

This is like that whole Kelce/Taylor thing. All the libs think, for some reason, that I give a Flying F about any of that. Who "hates" Tesla?

Libs have gone to complaining about cons for things that don't exist outside of their own little Starbuck's circle. Being outraged at being gaslighted or trolled. And they think that they're the smart ones:rofl:

Holy shit, how many miles do you drive in a month???

Look, if the feds are going after you because you toked a doobie with Joe Rogan, you're doing something right:rofl:

EVs aren't BS, they have a particular application where they reign just like race cars, semi's, etc etc. The saving the planet part is definitely BS...there is no such thing as saving the planet.

Quite a bit, plus I had an SUV that got about 12 miles to the gallon in town and 18 on the hwy and burned premium. In 2021-22 my monthly has bill for the wife and I was about 7-800.

My Caddy gets 180-200mpg in town and 36mpg on the highway.

I am invested heavily in $TSLA and continue to stack on dips like today.

Once the pants-shitter-in-office is out the door, the moon is no longer a limit.

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Musk seems to be a good dude, i don't care one way or another about Tesla. If I was going to buy an EV it would be a tesla, figured they have bugs worked out and ahead of the game.

I love mine and cannot wait till I get the email that my Cybertruck is ready for pickup.

I firmly believe that most who hate have never driven one. It's not a perfect car for everything, but in central FL a 2020+ Model S will get you almost anywhere you're going to go for a one day round trip without charging.

A racing friend of mine had Tesla approach him for a review of the truck.

He lives in SoCal, so finding charging locations was not an issue.

His assessment is that it tows capably for a standard trailer. The range sucks. Maybe 150 miles between charges. He got to use the truck for a week or so.

So for me, it's cool, but no more useful than my C8.

We can appreciate him for his innovations, furthering free speech, and for investing (mostly) his own money in the process, but still criticize him for his rent seeking and questionable claims about helping the environment while mining rare earth metals and blasting a rocket into space once a week.

I think the competition and innovation is amazing, the torque they put out is incredible. what I have an issue with is threatening my choice on what to drive while killing the ICE industry, force this shit down our throats is the problem. the gov needs to quit playing ****ing games with our lives

I’d burn one with either of those doods.

Musk acts like a petulant 13 year old, stupid PR stunts like offering to fist-fight Putin over the Ukraine as people are dying in that war, or a MMA match with Zuckerberg, or, asking all of his drooling sycophants what charities deserve his largess via a poll.

Why not do like Danny Thomas (St. Judes) or Norman Schwarzkopf (started a boy's camp among other things) or Paul Newman (whose products' profits all go to charity) ? No fanfare, no publicity stunts, nobody kissing their asses - they just went off and did spectacular, humanitarian things out of a sense of altruism.

Say no more

Elon is okay in my book, but I have no interest in his electrical appliance.

I can't see myself driving that ugly thing. It looks worse than some of the shit ricers do to their 4-bangers :ack: :nono:

Sometime in the future, too late for me to be screwed by my NDA's, I've got a story...:D

Well, when I get it, if you come by you are welcome to take it for a drive, anyone is

I drive a Bolt as my DD... will take too long to charge during a road trip to get there :lol:

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Well then...you must love Trump then, huh? :rofl:

Not sure I understand the bolds.

Those are not mutually exclusive statements, unless you view the sole purpose of an EV being to save the planet. That is not reality and is only one side of the coin...the propaganda side.

Musk good, but e-cars are still for phaggots.

I don't hate EVs at all. I think they have a long way to go before they are practical.

What I do have is a strong aversion to things the government says I have to do simply because they are heavily invested in the solution to a problem they created.

Nope - never particularly liked the man, loved his policies though and he doesn't fall UP stairs - there is that....

But then he's not an 18-wheeler driver, didn't spend his youth in a Puerto Rican neighborhood, didn't bitch slap CornPop, didn't nearly die in a 20 minute kitchen stove fire, besties with low-level Amtrack staff, didn't cure cancer and isn't trying to build a train across the Indian Ocean while talking to dead people and shaking hands with the air.

Holy shit! 200 miles per gallon? That's incredible!

My Corvette gets 8-10 miles per gallon around town, and I've never gotten more than 15 mpg on the highway!

You're awesome dude!

in an odd way, I kinda like that.

Exactly.

Apparently OP has joined forces with GS and Phred, that anyone who does NOT worship at the alter of BEVs, "hates" Tesla. Another one of these binary folks who think that only two states of emotion exist in the universe: either you "love" it, or you "hate" it.

I think watching hockey on TV is irritating, so I don't "love" it. But I have attended hockey games IRL, and if I have good seats, I generally have a good time. But no, that's not good enough, they will say I "hate" hockey. :yesnod:

Small-minded shit if you ask me. :yesnod:

Doesn't your son have an e-car? :popcorns:

We went car shopping Saturday to look for a replacement for Kathy’s 7 year old Explorer. They had two of the EV “Mustangs” on the lot priced well. I’d actually consider one if they hadn’t already stopped producing them. We ended up with a new Explorer ST that she loves.

He's also married, a dad, a conservative, has built his own AK-74, works on his own cars, brews his own beer... all Trump cards against the gaye. :D

I should have said “average”….


The best I’ve done on my 8 gal tank of gas netted 3300 miles.

Who's hating on Tesla's. What I'm hating on is government and liberals telling me what I can and cannot buy in the future. BIG DIFFERENCE

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They will always have gas vehicles especially hot rods, classic, and exotics from probably 1972 and older. But electric is the way it's going to be. People will whine like they they did when everyone was buying Japanese cars and they said "BUY AMERICAN" People hate change especially in the South and Midwest. But you know Blacks can play in the SEC and Southwest Conference/Big 12 now and drink out of the same water fountain. :yesnod:

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I lived in the south in the early 70's and early 80, along with the Midwest. My God 10-20 years behind time.

I lived in Massachusetts in the 60's, 70's, and New York in the 80's. My gawd 10-20 years behind time. :spdchk:

What part of Massachusetts and New York is in the South?

Nice try. Boston Mass was, still is, the most racist shithole in the US.

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I'am not talking just about racist dim wit. I'am talking about being 10-20 years behind time. Back in the 80's and early 90's you hardly ever saw a Japanese car on the road in the South including Texas, now it's very common. :kick:

No, you STFU. WTF do Jap cars have to do with anything. Nice try, again, at deflecting.

Where do you thing Japanese and German cars that are sold in the US are made? It's not the NE or the Midwest. It's The South. :Jeff '79:

You're dumber than people say you are.

“In 1958, Toyota became the first Japanese company to sell a mass-produced passenger car in the US. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. (TMS) established in California in 1957. In 1982 Honda Accord rolled off the assembly line at the Marysville, Ohio, auto plant. And what year did the Japanese build Plants in the south and midwest maybe 20 to 30 years later?

I still don't understand why some think that Elon is wealthy ONLY because of Tesla. Dude was a billionaire before Tesla was even created. Anyone ever hear of Paypal? Or SpaceX? Elon means more to the world than Tesla. You'd never catch me dead in a Tesla, but that has nothing to do with my appreciation for Elon as a human. IMO he's a national treasure.

My like or dislike of a car has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the political stance of the individuals or companies producing them. :shrug:

And when, exactly is this going to happen?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with hating change. It has everything to do with EVs not being able to do what ICE vehicles can do with ease. I posted this in 1 of the other stupid threads.

Over the weekend I loaded up my decade old, 100k mile truck with an entire go-kart operation and 4 people and drove it 520 miles through the mountains in 18 degree weather. I filled up once over the weekend at the destination and drove it back... including an hour and a half traffic jam in the mountains of WV.

I made it with zero stops on either drive other than a quick stop to grab a burger with a simultaneous bathroom stop on the way there and a 5 minute rest area stop on the way back.

That is not some crazy exceptional, once in a lifetime excursion. That is a simple weekend trip no different than I make many times a year. There is no EV out there than can even come CLOSE to doing it. It is a very regular occurrence to drive to Indy, Columbus, Louisville, or any of the other "1 city away" locations. In about an hour I'm hopping into the S6, driving about 300 miles to Madisonville, KY and driving home later tonight. It's a nasty rainy day. Shockingly enough, I really don't feel like adding multiple hours of sitting in a parking lot in the rain into my day. EVs quite simply make these simple easy round trips.

If you never go more than a few miles from your house, great. They do what you need them to do. But maybe, just maybe, the resistance from the South and the Midwest comes from the fact that most of us actually travel beyond a tiny little bubble and use vehicles for more than driving to Target and Starbucks. :shrug:

I agree, man! Let us live our lives and continue to promote competition. We'd get farther, faster.

Good choice! The ST's are pretty sweet.

My Toyota was made in Japan.

Yes but being worth a few billion compared to 200b is a completely different ballgame.

Tesla market cap = $550b after losing $95b this year.

Space X = $175b.

The large majority of his money comes from 20.5% stake in Tesla. He owns 42% of Space X which is worth $73b. He could not have purchased Twitter if he only owned SpaceX. Tesla made that possible.

Not sure why you'd not be caught dead in a Tesla. Its funny that a car could illicit such a strong response in someone simple bc it doesn't burn gasoline... sounds like a bit of an irrational phobia but you're completely entitled to it.

Because they'll never develop the EV to do that. :spdchk: No the FACT is 80% of people go to Target and Starbucks and a small percentage take their vehicles off road. Your thinking is the perfect example of someone from the Midwest and South.. Millions of people drive to work in their EV. Funny how you throw in Starbucks. Change scares you. Do i own a Tesla, NO. But i see it coming


I make a point with Yaddy about the Midwest and South 40-60 years ago and how they were slow to change in many area's and he brings up what's going on now in South and Midwest. :Jeff '79: I'am not talking about now, things have changed but they're always last from those regions for any major change. And you're the perfect example. :yesnod:

I shop at neither of those.


But I do agree with the rest of what you say, EV is still in its infancy and right now there is really only one player in the market. Once the ability and technology catches up to ICE, and it will, that is when you will see a full scale adoption begin to occur.

Let me guess it's an American made truck. Your uncle died in the South Pacific in WWII and no way will you buy Japanese. :yesnod: :Jeff '79:

And when they do, great.

As of now, they aren't even close. What's your point?

Yes, my thinking is indeed a perfect example of someone who regularly goes more than 50 miles from my own house. I'm not "scared" of anything. I want a vehicle to do what I need it to do. If EVs manage to get there at some point, great. As of now, they're not even in the vicinity of being able to do what ICE trucks have been able to do for decades.

You don't know shit about me, you pretentious f**k. :seasix:

The technology for EVs to charge and the same speed as it takes to fill up your gas car as well as range does exist already. It will take 2 to 3 decades to have sufficient charging infrastructure charging at that speed and production capacity for the fast charging, long range batteries.

Yes, it is an American truck. I didn't buy it because it's American. I bought it because there is no truck from anywhere else that has anywhere near the capacity of the American 1 tons.

I have nothing against Japanese, European, or any other vehicles. :shrug:

Keep trying.

At one time microwaves and computers were in it's infancy. They'll have the EV's flooding the market someday and people will hold out like they did in so many areas. "Buy American" was the big slogan years ago to keep people from buying Japanese cars. And now the Japanese sell the most cars in America. Like i said before people are afraid of change

Exactly. 30 years from now, EVs might finally be where ICE vehicles were 30 years ago.

If/when EVs actually have better capabilities than ICE, I'm sure they will be the vehicle of choice. That time is not now.

I could care less about charging speed, nor did I even mention that.

Slow down, read what people are saying, stay on topic.

They will get there at some point and they don't gaf about what your truck can do because the majority of the people that drive just go back and forth to work and to their local stores and that's the market they want and will get.

…And yet almost 8 decades after the microwave was invented, every house still has an oven and a stove.

I guess that’s because people are afraid of the change.

Buy American was about keeping American jobs and pushed hardest by unions to keep unions strong. It had nothing to do with fear of change. Your comparison to electric cars is poor.

His comparison to microwaves, however, is spot on. Albeit not in the way he intended.

It was also about buying American cars because they could see the shift of Japanese cars out selling American cars. Yes it had to do with fear of change and the BIG 3 losing the market.

I can't dislike Tesla because Musk bought Twitter? Am I required to be a Hollywood fan because that's how Ronald Reagan became President? Should I stop insulting Harvard because Thomas Sowell graduated from there?

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All of the people who were afraid to adopt a microwave for cooking are long dead. Same with all the Luddites who refused to give up their horses when the automobile came along.

What we have today are people who are scared to death of EVs and especially self-driving cars, mostly because of the irrational feat that once these vehicles become mainstream the government will ban human-driven ICE vehicles.

"You'll pry my steering wheel out of my cold dead hands!!!!!"

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I have people i know that still have flip top phones and they don't know how and won't learn how to text. People fought that until they saw without a cell phone and texting your way behind times. I'am done arguing with you. :cert:

I've got some surprising news for you, apparently: It's 2024. The South is auto manufacturing nirvana now since most of the states have right-to-work, not antiquated unions. :Jeff '79:

Fear of change from The United States having a dominant auto industry to a dominated auto industry is like the fear of change from having the best military to an inferior military. The auto industry is a huge portion of the national economy and industrial capacity. There is a national interest involved. The change from gasoline cars to electric cars has no such interest. Your comparison is poor, which is why nobody ever makes it but you.

Perhaps because there are different tools that work better for different jobs?

No one ever cooked a good Thanksgiving dinner in a microwave ...conversely, reheating, defrosting or boiling water is exponentially better/fast and costs less in a microwave than a conventional oven.

Kind of like having a daily commuter that costs pennies per day to operate vs one that costs many dollars per day...

I make a point with Yaddy about the Midwest and South 40-60 years ago and how they were slow to change in many area's and he brings up what's going on now in South and Midwest. I'am not talking about now, things have changed but they're always last from those regions for any major change.

I doubt that we will see EV’s replace the heavy duty diesel trucks in our lifetime.

You said that my opposition to EVs was based in fear. To put a very simply, you are wrong. Rather than accepting that after I explained it, you went down a completely different path of douchebaggery.

So yes, I am very glad you’re done arguing. Reading the stupid shit you were saying was getting old.

I’m also sending this message from my iPhone while my car manages the gap in front of me as I drive with adaptive cruise, looking down while it keeps me in the lane. If it had full self driving capabilities, I would be using that as well. Guess what, not afraid of that either. But good try. :thumbs:

You can do whatever you want...I find looking at the big picture to be more beneficial to me.

Comparing Hollywood or Harvard of yesteryear to Elon/Tesla of today doesn't logically flow. The Hollywood/Harvard of today has earned any hate they get. What have you done for me lately vs what did you do 50-100 years ago...not the same.

What has Telsa done? It allowed Elon to buy Twitter. We would have no proof of exactly how corrupt our gov't is if it weren't for Tesla and Elon. Neither Harvard nor Hollywood has ever contributed at that level.

And in the next 10-15 years there will be less gas vehicles and more electric.

Agree 100%. How about diesel trains, airplanes, ships etc.

There will always be a need and demand for ICEs.

The car and what Musk did with the money from the car are still two completely different things. There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking one and disliking the other.

Just like Hollywood and Harvard have earned some of the hate they get, so has Tesla for plenty of reasonable reasons like overselling their ability, taking a vast amount of tax dollars, bursting into flames, having poor quality, and ugly looks. The fact that Musk bought Twitter doesn't change the validity of criticism.

You may not like to read the criticism anymore because you have decided the purchase of Twitter has pulled everything Musk has done into the umbrella of, "our team" but that's not really a logical position.

Come on man...when there's a "billion" used as a describer of your "net worth" you're in the "stupid money" category. Elon was in the stupid money category long before Tesla was a thing.

Not sure why...? Because EVs are awful, in EVERY FORM. Even if GIVEN one, I'd blow it up (in the kinetic sense), put the pieces in a large bucket and relocate it to a ditch, light it on fire, mold the remaining metal into a cube, and then relocate it to an Air Force bombing range so my boys could drop JDAMs on it until there was nothing left but liquified or aerosolized metal. F*** EVs. And F*** people whole like them. We will never be friends.:issues:

The world runs on diesel.

I live in the present, not the past. The South exceeds the midwest/ northeast/ commifornia is every way. :yesnod:

Thank God for the south or I’d have to live in a rural area of a midwest state where it gets very cold.

You are a moron.

I happen to like the cold. It's the damn taxes that I hate.

https://taxfoundation.org/wp-content...ocal-taxes.png

Overselling? Nearly every car brand I can think of has done that. For example...Remember the C7 Z06, "the most track ready Corvette ever" which couldn't make a full run around the Ring, or overheated at HDPE's on a regular basis?

Quality? Yep they need to improve. Plastic seats in a $100k car isn't cool.

Burst into flames? Hyperbole. Has it happened, sure. Is it a regular occurance? No.

Ugly looks? I think the Model S is a very good looking car as is the roadster that is about to come out. The 3 is not good, but which legacy car company hasn't produced an ugly model? Im sure you remember the Aztek

Being critical is cool... having a weird and unnatural extreme hatred for a car b/c of its power source is just odd to me. All I am trying to do is bring perspective. :cert:

Of course the strength of the varied criticisms is debatable. The question is, should we shut up about Tesla because Musk bought Twitter, as your thread title suggests, or is Tesla a seperate topic from Twitter? The fact that Musk may have used some proceeds from Tesla to buy Twitter really doesn't change anything about Telsa as far as I'm concerned.

If Tesla is to be looked at from a political perspective, it just makes more sense to place it in perspective of the left's push for electric cars than the free speech of the purchase of Twitter.

These states have the highest percentages of poverty in the country: Mississippi, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Mexico, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas. You're correct. :yesnod:

Being critical is one thing...it's the bizarre hatred/phobia that Im referring to.

This is where we disagree. The purchase of Twitter is possibly the most substantial thing to happen in American politics in my lifetime. I don't think it can be understated.

So should we be thankful for Tesla? It was what made the swamp visible...

The poorest states in 2024

Mississippi $48,716

West Virginia $51,248

Louisiana $52,087

Arkansas $52,528

Alabama $53,913

New Mexico $53,992

Kentucky $55,573

Oklahoma $55,826

South Carolina $59,318

Tennessee $59,695

This is where these number get skewed. Median income is much higher in CA but that's where the story goes from good to bad.

Median household income via Google.

California - 78k

Arkansas - 49k

Average housing cost

California - 750k

Arkansas - 195k

Average Rent

California - 1,837

Arkansas - 637

If you're a median earner, its way better to be in one of the "poor" states. The poverty level in CA for a family of 4 is right at 6 figures.

I hate that Utah is higher than our surrounding states.

Also, I drove a Mach E today. First time driving an EV. It was different.

Map is incorrect. FL state sales tax is 6%.