so i'm watching men's gymnastics in the background (been working outside all day), and all i know is that if you are on the horse, you don't need a mask, but as soon as you go to the bench, you need a mask.

huh?

Leave all reason and common sense at the door before entering to discuss masks.

It seems if he and his staff are vaccinated and wearing proper PPE, he is simply a ****ing bastard. Short and sweet.

What if a potential patient had HIV? Smallpox? TB?

He took an oath. **** him, his family, his dog and everything he owns.:mad:

Huh? How does that work? A sick patient comes in, is diagnosed with COVID, and the amazing Doc says “If we give you the vaccine I’ll do everything I can to save you, but if you don’t want the vaccine for any reason I may withhold some types of advanced care, or I’ll refer you to a different Doc.” Isn’t it a bit late to give the vaccine after you’re diagnosed with COVID?

Aren’t doctors supposed to take an oath ? I haven’t heard of a bakers oath.

It’s not the COVID patients he is not treating, it’s his chronic care patients. He still treats COVID patients.

Exactly like the cardiologist with my Mom. He has the option to chose his pool of patients. Any doctor has that legal right, UNLESS they are refusing acute life saving treatment. Like it or not, doctors do it all the time.

You can refuse a liver transplant for one patient if they are in liver failure due to current alcoholism and give it to a non alcoholic even though both are matches. Nothing illegal about it.

You may not like it, but he has every right to make that stipulation.

I”be known many MD, DO, PA, NP’s fire patients for non compliance. It’s always the non compliant patients that fuq themselves up then want to sue you when things go south. Again, you’re welcome to check with any attorney you know, but assure you that is their legal right. In Ok you just have to give notice, and I think like 30 days of meds if something that might cause withdraw and that is only legal obligation. I’ve fired many patients myself for non compliance, being rude/threatening to my staff, stalking, harassing or too many no show appointments.

That’s not how I read this: :shrug:

Correct.

There are other providers and resp. Specialist that can intubate, also others that can do bronchoscopies and bronchial biopsies. :thumbsup:

No refusal to treat acutely ill , life in danger patients. All good.

so what's the end game. do we ever get back to 2019 normal. where you can go about your daily life, not scared to death by the CDC, doing what you please, how you please? or do we just live our future by whatever the "CDC recommends" day to day?

God I hope so!

Here life seems to be back to normal.

Hope it stays that way!!!

well, i just read a piece on Fox News, Mr. Doom (fauci) says we have a civic duty to keep wearing masks as long as he suggests they be worn. individual decisions are not part of his equation.

and the DC mayor was caught at some wedding, doing the honors, and not wearing her Fauci mask, after requiring all indoors to do so in DC. so by her actions, she's not afraid of the virus. and others too previously. so if those who should know the most are not afraid, why should your average Joe or Jane be afraid, and shamed into wearing a mask?

Does he receive taxpayer dollars from Medicare or such?

The CDC will NOT give up their new power easily or willingly. Neither will some doom & gloom control freak politicians.

Time will tell.

Still waiting for this to make sense….. 👇🏼

"Hypothetical conversation based on current public information."

ME: CDC, should I get poked if I already had Covid?

CDC: “Yes, you should be poked regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”

ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does poke-induced immunity last?

CDC: “There is still a lot we are learning about COVID-19 pokes and CDC is constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are poked.”

ME: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the poke was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long poke immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the poke immunity better than my natural immunity?

CDC: …

ME: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?

CDC: Yes.

NEW YORK TIMES: “Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.”

ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than poke immunity?

CDC: Possibly. You never know.

ME: Okay. If I get the poke, does that mean I won’t get sick?

BRITAIN: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are poked people.

ME: CDC, is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.S. catching Covid after getting the poke?

CDC: We stopped tracking breakthrough cases. We accept voluntary reports of breakthroughs but aren’t out there looking for them.

ME: Does that mean that if someone comes in the hospital with Covid, you don’t track them because they’ve been poked? You only track the UN-poked Covid cases?

CDC: That’s right.


ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the poke, how is it helping me?

CDC: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.

ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.

CDC: We don’t know “exactly.”

ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?

CDC: We don’t know, okay? Next question.

ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the poke, is there any reason I should get it?

CDC: Yes, for the collective.

ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting poked?

CDC: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.

ME: Can a poked person spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: So if I get poked, I could still spread the virus to someone else?

CDC: Yes.

ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get poked was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the poke?

CDC: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unpoked, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the pokes protection, putting all poked people at risk.

ME: So the poke stops the virus from mutating?

CDC: No.

ME: So it can still mutate in poked people?

CDC: Yes.

ME: This seems confusing. If the poke doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting poked help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the poke?

CDC: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unpoked, you pose a threat to poked people.

ME: But what KIND of threat??

CDC: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.

ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the poke doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying poked people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the poke just by running into an unpoked person! Which is it??

CDC: That’s it, we’re hanging up now.

ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get poked, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long poke immunity lasts. And I should get the poke to keep a poked person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the poke, I can give it to the poked person anyways. And, the other poked person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?

…

ME: Um, hello? Is anyone there?

That’s hilarious Mike. :lol:

Call back and ask about masks. Their heads will explode after they quit lying.

I have only known of 5 or less via FB and the friends of friends thing on there. One young child (under 10) died of Covid, not long ago and a 30 something is on a vent in ICU with it. Both looked normal, with no underlying health issues before.

Our local health peeps use to send out 'numbers' chart or reports last year. They stopped all that now. I imagine you can still get the data from the state website? It was broken down by county, deaths, hospitalization, maybe a couple other things.

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I thought it was supposed to magically disappear in April 2020? :shrug:

I can’t help but wonder what role, if any, mask demands might be playing in this ongoing drama? Never seemed hygienic to me.

Mask, just like gloves are ONLY hygienic if you use them correctly.


99% of mask failure is due to user error.


Love the dip chits wearing gloves and touching everything and touching their face and even eating with them on..... gloves are WORTHLESS. Just wash your freaking hands. Respiratory viruses do not absorb through the skin on your hands.


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More dumbassness:

Get on a tin can (plane), MUST wear mask except when eating or drinking, because we all know the virus ONLY spreads when you are NOT eating or drinking. :funniest:


Players do not have to mask, but sideliners do and quickly remove mask to shout and talk to each other. :rofl:

Masking up outside. :nutkick:

People wearing that same. visibly soiled mask for days on end.