I think he's leading up to the point that registration will lead to a gun grab kinda like it happened in Nazi Germany and (I think?) England.

Interesting comment. I received the below email today from someone that I do not recognize the email address.

The primary-school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, approximately 45 miles from
the Colt Arms Factory, is just another one in the long line of government psyops
designed to persuade the public to allow the government to take away their guns,
and their means to defend themselves against the government and the banksters
that the politicians really serve.

The small children murders are designed to create hysterical emotions in women
to get them to demand that guns are banned. If that doesn�t work they will
continue with their evil agenda with worse and worse atrocities on younger
children, until they get their way and disarm the people, so that they cannot
fight back against government tyranny.

Newtown is the U.S.A.�s Dunblane, which was orchestrated in Scotland in 1996 by
the British establishment, to whip up hysteria in order to ban all handguns from
the U.K. It was a follow-up to the Hungerford Massacre in England in 1987, which
was carried out by mind-controlled Michael Ryan, who then shot himself so he
could not be questioned, and it was used to ban semi-automatic rifles and
shotguns.

It�s always the same people behind it � the gun-grabbers who want the people to
be defenceless against the gun-grabbers� employers � the banksters who own all
of the politicians. They get their politicians to pass legislation for them, in
order to remove the people�s freedoms and means of defending themselves, and
enslave them in a draconian police-state, under a mountain of debt, and then
exterminate the useless-eaters.

The Dunblane massacre was supposedly carried out by Thomas Hamilton, who was a
paedophile and procurer of children, for a high level paedophile ring involving
senior members of the Tony Blair Labour-Party shadow-cabinet and others. The
massacre served two purposes, it achieved their desired handgun-ban and killed
the abused children, so they could not be witnesses against the
elite-paedophiles. They then had the findings of the inquiry sealed for 100
years, which is proof of the above.

Like Newtown there were two shooters, Hamilton and a hit-man who shot Hamilton
and made it look like Hamilton committed suicide after shooting 16 children, so
that he couldn�t be questioned. Hamilton was found in the school gymnasium
slumped against a wall and still gurgling, when an off-duty policeman PC Grant
McCutcheon entered the gym and saw two semi-automatic pistols, one on either
side of Hamilton�s body.

The autopsy revealed that Hamilton was killed with a .38 revolver. These people
always slip-up with their crimes. There was no .38 revolver for him to have shot
himself with. Thus, there was a second shooter who killed Hamilton.

Similarly, the first reports from Newtown were of two shooters, just like
mind-controlled James Holmes in the Denver Batman Cinema massacre, the story
then quickly changes to just one.

Columbine was similar, in that a team of shooters in black outfits were seen
there and the two accused were on mind-altering prescription-drugs.

Wake up and see the pattern and their modus operandi and don�t fall for it.
Never let them take your guns, except from your cold dead hands.

All of these are staged events to whip-up hysterical public support for banning
the people from having guns. It works the same in every country � Hungerford in
England, Dunblane in Scotland, Port Arthur in Australia and the list in America
is endless, because of the Second Amendment and the people having a pro-gun
culture. That makes it much more difficult to break the Americans� love of guns
and the Second Amendment, which was put in place to protect the people from the
government.

Gun bans work well for tyrants. They worked well for Hitler, Stalin and Chairman
Mao, to name just three.

If you want to stop these massacres, wake-up and get rid of the banksters, their
puppet-politicians and all gun-grabbers; arm teachers and ban gun-free zones.

From one who can see the pattern and hopes to enable you to see it too.

We will probably see a bill in the Senate about some kind of gun legislation. If they can get it to the floor, it will pass with a strict party line vote. No gun legislation has a chance in the House of Representatives. Voting yes on any gun legislation is political suicide in any Republican district in the country.

For any anti-gun legislation to pass in this country, Democrats will have to be in solid control of all three branches of Government.

My .02 worth.

Not sure about the conspiracy theories as I put little effort into caring for them. Matter of fact,t he only one I think has any merrit is the Birther issue, but that's another topic.

Still, history does have proof where registration led to gun bans and gun grabs.

There are people calling for Obama to try using an executive order. :rolleyes:

WHAT? And bypass the Constitution?

Say it ain't so........

He should be impeached if he doesn't follow the constitution. Treason comes to mind too.

Yes, we actually do. I am sure each of us can think of several examples.

It is done in the name of safety all the time.

Bans on freon, decongestants behind the counter, the TSA, no rental cars if you are under 25, toys taken off the market because parents don't watch their kids, tobacco companies no able to sponsor events, etc.


99 PewterCoupe - I have no doubt our country is capable, and has done some dispicable things BUT, I would never believe them to stoop to what the author of that email is suggesting.

...or perhaps the gun nuts could give up the "slippery slope" red herring and actively participate in a discussion about what could be done.

Ok, I'll take the trolls bait.

What law would have prevented what happened Friday? :bigears:

"Gun Nut?" That'll help drive a reasonable discussion forward. :skia:

He's not actually interested in doing that.

:iagree: But there's always a glimmer of hope that perhaps a concensus can be reached, a compromise. So I'm interested if there is a common ground, a compromise, from both sides that we could agree on that would have prevented what happened.

I've been thinking on this all weekend, and given the information that we have so far, I can't think of anything short of taking all legally owned guns or having a law requiring an armed guard at the school that could have done anything to prevent this.

I'm all ears to an equitable solution on this.

What "slippery slope" argument? The one where the left wants to ban guns completely? They're calling for it. That's not a slippery slope, that's the bottom of the slope.

Which active discussion would you like to participate in:

1) Almost all of these attacks happen in "gun free zones", where the killer can be sure of unarmed victims. Gun free zones don't work. Go...

2) The Assault Weapons Ban that expired did not ban any of the weapons that have been used in the recent attacks. Go...

3) The most dangerous cities in America when it comes to gun violence are also the ones where it is the most difficult for people living in those cities to have guns to protect themselves. Criminals like an unarmed populace. Go...

4) The majority of people that I have talked to that want assault weapons banned cannot properly define what an "assault weapon" is. Most think it's a fully automatic weapon, which are already heavily restricted and have not been used in these attacks. Go...

5) The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to bear arms that "shall not be infringed." The only way this should be able to be changed is through an amendment to The Constitution that is ratified by the states. Go...

6) The same people who (reasonably) believe it would be impossible to deport 20 million illegal immigrants think it would be possible to collect 80 million guns. Go...

7) Gun bans only affect law abiding citizens. Go...

8) When an assault happens with a gun the immediate reaction on the left is to blame the gun and ignore the reason the person commit the crime. We have a mental health crisis in this country, not a gun crisis. Go...

9) Mayor Bloomberg says we need to ban "assault weapons" because the US is the only country where attacks like this happen. But the US is not the only country with "assault weapons", so his conclusion is illogical. If anything his statement is proof that "assault weapons" are not the issue and we need to start looking into other things. Go...

10) Many on the left claim that the founders were only giving citizens rights to bear the kind of arms they knew about and that newer arms should be banned. This ignores the fact that the founders, had they believed that, could have stated it explicitly. It also ignores the fact that the founders had the foresight to put in a mechanism for "amending" The Constitution when called for. As stated above, the only way arms should be able to be banned is through Amendments. Go...

So Chris Fowler, you're of the opinion absolutely nothing should be done? Business as usual. (Whatever THAT is)

Those were my comments that Mr. Wind quoted and I stand by them.

I have been saying for years that there should be a mental evaluation required for gun ownership. If you and the adults that live in your house can't pass it, you have no business owning one.

Here is another quote of mine that Mr. Wind failed to post up.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

Your side should seize this opportunity to put some real changes into effect you can live with or you will soon find drastic changes rammed down your throat...

Better security.

These people are intent on the highest body count they can get, that is the reason they are attacking at soft targets.

If someone doesn't have a gun, and they run down a bunch of kids at a school bus stop or playground, what should be restricted/banned as a result?
Buses?
School kids in groups larger than five off school grounds?
Cars?

:sadangel: Prayers to you and your family, Don.

I gave discussion starters. I did not provide my opinion.

When it comes to banning guns, yes. I believe that absolutely nothing should be done.

When it comes to gun free areas. I absolutely believe that something should be done. They are a proven failure. They should be removed.

When it comes to the societal and mental health issues I absolutely believe that something needs to be done. We need to get away from the "political correctness" of treating people with mental issues like they have no problem.

With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.