verizon

[Chuck A]

does anyone have that company , any problems?

[Barn Babe]

We us them, never had any problems.

[Chuck A]

they have been striking right next to my bldg

[Chuck A]

its just that i heard that they are losing their health coverage, its a hard subject i feel for them, but it must be hard to be out for 3 weeks without pay

[C5SilverBullet]

We us them, never had any problems.

:iagree:

[SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84]

We us them, never had any problems.


:iagree:

[Chuck A]

do you guys feel bad for this strike going on, now?

[snide]

do you guys feel bad for this strike going on, now?

Niope. I will never use Verizon again.

[Bill]

its just that i heard that they are losing their health coverage, its a hard subject i feel for them, but it must be hard to be out for 3 weeks without pay

When you don't show up for work, you don't get paid. I'd fire them all and hire a new crop of workers who actually WANT to work.

[JRD77VET]

do you guys feel bad for this strike going on, now?

NO, not at all. They don't want to pay anything for their health insurance and are rejecting a 7.5% raise.

Not a damn was given :bslap:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The young welder at work and his wife sent a check to Verizon to get internet service at home. The rat bastards cashed the check but won't schedule the hook up at their house. :mad:

[Thunder22]

I have Verizon Wireless if that's what you mean. No issues.

I don't like Unions.

[Jeff '79]

Love my Verizon. Internet and land line rock.
I'll never patronize Time Warner again... Damn Theives !

[Chuck A]

Just to have a job now a days is good , greedy people always want more I mean that both from owners and workers
Very sad, indeed

[Jeff '79]

Just to have a job now a days is good , greedy people always want more I mean that both from owners and workers
Very sad, indeed

Ya, I guess they can get anyone to work at all hours, in sh!t weather, and sometime dangerous conditions, all the while their bodies getting used up.
Send 'em to NYC for a month without a choice? Ya, no problem.
Use up their bodies and take away their health benes?...

Whatever... Lucky to have a job??? just wow.

[JRD77VET]

Ya, I guess they can get anyone to work at all hours, in sh!t weather, and sometime dangerous conditions, all the while their bodies getting used up.
Send me to NYC for a month without a choice? Ya, no problem.
Use up their bodies and take away their health benes?...

Whatever... Lucky to have a job??? just wow.

They aren't making $15 a hour. They knew what in involved when they decided on that type of employment.

It's hard to feel sorry for folks who can make double and triple time for doing their job. So it's snowing and have to go up and fix something? IT'S YOUR FREAKING JOB !!!!!!!

[Jeff '79]

They aren't making $15 a hour. They knew what in involved when they decided on that type of employment.

It's hard to feel sorry for folks who can make double and triple time for doing their job. So it's snowing and have to go up and fix something? IT'S YOUR FREAKING JOB !!!!!!!

Your point?

[Jeff '79]

They aren't making $15 a hour. They knew what in involved when they decided on that type of employment.

It's hard to feel sorry for folks who can make double and triple time for doing their job. So it's snowing and have to go up and fix something? IT'S YOUR FREAKING JOB !!!!!!!

Word.
Now the fat cats want to take away what the knew they signed on for.

[Chuck A]

They aren't making $15 a hour. They knew what in involved when they decided on that type of employment.

It's hard to feel sorry for folks who can make double and triple time for doing their job. So it's snowing and have to go up and fix something? IT'S YOUR FREAKING JOB !!!!!!!

Some of these guys are making 6 digit salaries , I am just saying that both parties are greedy

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Ya, I guess they can get anyone to work at all hours, in sh!t weather, and sometime dangerous conditions, all the while their bodies getting used up.
Send 'em to NYC for a month without a choice? Ya, no problem.
Use up their bodies and take away their health benes?...

Whatever... Lucky to have a job??? just wow.

Don't like your current job? Find a new job. :shrug:

[Jeff '79]

Don't like your current job? Find a new job. :shrug:

It just boggles my mind how everyone bitches about Mexican immigration and in the same breath DGAFF for their fellow Americans good paying jobs.

The consequences of these corporations actions are just going to hurt them in the long run.
50 years from now when you have no middle class and no one can afford to live except the 1%r's, anarchy will prevail.
Then we'll see who the strong, that will survive, really are.

Rome is burning kids and many of you can't see the noses on your faces.

[09CTSV]

Try working for less than $10 an hour with 6-9 month deployments and then complain about using up your body and bad weather.

[Jeff '79]

Try working for less than $10 an hour with 6-9 month deployments and then complain about using up your body and bad weather.

Ya but, like Jeff said, you knew what you signed up for when you joined.
That was your choice.
That being said, you fail to mention the benefits that you will derive from said work. Health care, housing, clothing, free bullets...
That increases your pay greatly over the course of your career.
I won't even go into the "if you play the game right" dissertation.

My cousin is on the 38th parallel and loves it. I guess you drew a short straw.
It'll get better for you... Hopefully. :cert:

[Bill]

It just boggles my mind how everyone bitches about Mexican immigration and in the same breath DGAFF for their fellow Americans good paying jobs.

The consequences of these corporations actions are just going to hurt them in the long run.
50 years from now when you have no middle class and no one can afford to live except the 1%r's, anarchy will prevail.
Then we'll see who the strong, that will survive, really are.

Rome is burning kids and many of you can't see the noses on your faces.

Want to raise wages for American citizens? Boot out the millions of illegals who will work harder and cheaper than you will.

The lowest paid, hardest working guy in the room never has to worry about his job. In the same vein, the company that provides the best service at the lowest price never has to worry about going out of business. That's capitalism, which is what made America great.

Capitalism can make America great again, if you'll let it.

[Jeff '79]

Want to raise wages for American citizens? Boot out the millions of illegals who will work harder and cheaper than you will.

The lowest paid, hardest working guy in the room never has to worry about his job. In the same vein, the company that provides the best service at the lowest price never has to worry about going out of business. That's capitalism, which is what made America great.

Capitalism can make America great again, if you'll let it.

The Verizon issue is more about health care and not being able to just indiscriminately transfer employees for a month at a time, not wages.
Bill, I get.

The problem is top down, so it's not like I'm trashing capitalism.
Is anyone worth this coin?

Name/Title Total Cash Equity Other Total Compensation
Lowell C. McAdam
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer $5,661,538 $12,000,065 $598,965 $18,260,568
Daniel S. Mead
Executive Vice President and President of Strategic Initiatives $2,528,846 $5,250,041 $230,931 $8,009,818
Francis J. Shammo
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer $2,270,192 $4,725,031 $204,052 $7,199,275
John G. Stratton
Executive Vice President and President of Operations $2,206,731 $4,593,828 $203,910 $7,004,469
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and President of Product Innovation and New Businesses $2,206,731 $4,375,074 $174,317 $6,756,122


The top 6 guys account for $47 Million in pay..... $47 MILLION !!

[Stangkiller]

The Verizon issue is more about health care and not being able to just indiscriminately transfer employees for a month at a time, not wages.
Bill, I get.

The problem is top down, so it's not like I'm trashing capitalism.
Is anyone worth this coin?

Name/Title Total Cash Equity Other Total Compensation
Lowell C. McAdam
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer $5,661,538 $12,000,065 $598,965 $18,260,568
Daniel S. Mead
Executive Vice President and President of Strategic Initiatives $2,528,846 $5,250,041 $230,931 $8,009,818
Francis J. Shammo
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer $2,270,192 $4,725,031 $204,052 $7,199,275
John G. Stratton
Executive Vice President and President of Operations $2,206,731 $4,593,828 $203,910 $7,004,469
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and President of Product Innovation and New Businesses $2,206,731 $4,375,074 $174,317 $6,756,122


The top 6 guys account for $47 Million in pay..... $47 MILLION !!

What's your point? Not a single one of those folks on strike could work in the c.suite. That's supply and demand right there, there's plenty of people that will work hard in all types of weather for less than the greedy strikers are demanding. But want an executive that can successfully run a company like that? That's a much harder search that will require some serious change.

The vast majority of that pay is in equity, which means if the company doesn't do as well as the board demands, their pay is significantly cut automatically. How would those strikers appreciate a 75% pay cut just cause wall street didn't like their latest quarters performance?

[Jeff '79]

What's your point? Not a single one of those folks on strike could work in the c.suite. That's supply and demand right there, there's plenty of people that will work hard in all types of weather for less than the greedy strikers are demanding. But want an executive that can successfully run a company like that? That's a much harder search that will require some serious change.

Oh, really.
I suppose you're right judging by the Philippine sweat shop call centers that you're connected to when you call for any issue that might arise.
Ya, they do a great job but where does that money go?
Out of the country and Uncle Sugar sees no taxes from it.
As far as exec pay, you could cut every corporate executive's pay in half, country wide, and you could still fill the slots with effective "employees".

The house is burning down but you don't want to pick up a fire hose.
Worse yet, you'd rather throw gasoline on it.
Just damn.....

[Stangkiller]

Oh, really.
I suppose you're right judging by the Philippine sweat shop call centers that you're connected to when you call for any issue that might arise.
Ya, they do a great job but where does that money go? So you admit that the Philippines call center is cheaper and more efficient? The shareholders own and direct the company through use of the board and they're demanding more efficient operations. It sounds like an offshore call center is a tough decision to make, but one that the shareholders are demanding. If you were in charge it sounds like you'd object to this move, and you'd be ok with Verizon wasting its share holders resources on less efficient employees. See those executives have some very tough decisions to deal with.

Let this be a clear lesson to folks with jobs that can be outsourced...Continually learn new skills, to ensure you're never competing with those outsourced jobs.

Out of the country and Uncle Sugar sees no taxes from it. Thats just not the case at all. A call center is a cost center not a revenue center, so they're reducing costs not hiding revenue. If Verizon kept those call centers here, they'd have more expenses and less revenue to pay taxes on. Which in turn means lower stock prices, and fewer taxes paid off of those stocks. While it's true those employees who lost their jobs aren't paying taxes off of Verizon payroll, they all will find new jobs and will resume paying taxes soon enough.


As far as exec pay, you could cut every corporate executive's pay in half, country wide, and you could still fill the slots with effective "employees". you could say this about every profession, including those overpaid whiny strikers demanding better healthcare than the current market calls for. Not to mention you're calling for socialism, we fortunately work in a very different economy here.

The house is burning down but you don't want to pick up a fire hose.
Worse yet, you'd rather throw gasoline on it.
Just damn..... I don't even know what this means? Verizon is a fairly successful company that identified what they're willing to pay their workers, some greedy unions decided that wasn't good enough and decided to quit work, but instead of just quitting work and looking somewhere else, they're trying to hold the company hostage. Fkin corporate terrorists is what they are,

[Jeff '79]

I don't even know what this means? Verizon is a fairly successful company that identified what they're willing to pay their workers, some greedy unions decided that wasn't good enough and decided to quit work, but instead of just quitting work and looking somewhere else, they're trying to hold the company hostage. Fkin corporate terrorists is what they are,

It's unfortunate that most Americans don't understand this.
Ya, I'd say a $17.9 BILLION / year profit is fairly successful.

[Stangkiller]

It's unfortunate that most Americans don't understand this.
Ya, I'd say a $17.9 BILLION / year profit is fairly successful.

Thats good for them, I'm unfamiliar with their financials, so no clue what their margins are. Verizon's profit belongs to the shareholders, and is returned to them via dividends, repurchases, and by reinvesting in the company. A company like Verizon didn't become as successful as they are by accepting mediocre high cost anything. They demand the most efficient for everything they can.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

It just boggles my mind how everyone bitches about Mexican immigration and in the same breath DGAFF for their fellow Americans good paying jobs.

The consequences of these corporations actions are just going to hurt them in the long run.
50 years from now when you have no middle class and no one can afford to live except the 1%r's, anarchy will prevail.
Then we'll see who the strong, that will survive, really are.

Rome is burning kids and many of you can't see the noses on your faces.

Again... Don't like your current job? Find a new job.

Current job not paying enough? Get some new skills.

Want to be in the C suite? Get a higher education and make yourself more marketable.

No one is holding back wages for any one person except the individual, themselves.

I care about good paying jobs...for skilled workers. Having said that, skilled or not, you're only worth what someone is willing to pay you in the current market. That's the way it's always been and always will be. Period. You act like this is something new.

What I DGAF about is a McDonald's worker making $15/hour, thereby artificially inflating wages for unskilled workers...and then the domino effect. We used to have a system here in the US...start at the bottom and take your hits. Gains skills and become more marketable. Your incentive for becoming a successful person and a contributor to society was higher wages as you better yourself...not earning $15/hour to flip a burger. Now it's, "Trophys for everyone. Woohoo!!! 'Murica."

And yes, we can have that opinion above and still be concerned about illegal immigration. They're not mutually exclusive. That's a ridiculous argument.

Also, it's not just Mexican immigration that many of us are worried about...just to set the record straight. There is a whole other issue with the H1B visas that needs to be evaluated, as well.

Dont even get me started on the unions and their culpability in all this. Yeah, sure...they're worried about the worker. :rofl: Strange how they're asking for exemptions from the new minimum wages. Yes. Strange, for sure.

[09CTSV]

Ya but, like Jeff said, you knew what you signed up for when you joined.
That was your choice.
That being said, you fail to mention the benefits that you will derive from said work. Health care, housing, clothing, free bullets...
That increases your pay greatly over the course of your career.
I won't even go into the "if you play the game right" dissertation.

My cousin is on the 38th parallel and loves it. I guess you drew a short straw.
It'll get better for you... Hopefully. :cert:


I wrote a whole big long description of the wonderful career I chose and decided it wasn't worth publishing it. I might have drawn the short straw but I am proud for having served my country. I didn't join to become rich, I joined to get experience and serve my country.
What can the Verizon folks say? I work in a union environment and I'll reserve my negative comments.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

...you knew what you signed up for when you joined.
That was your choice...

Did the Verizon employees not know what they signed up for? I'm sure the terms of the job stated that they may be required to travel to where their services were needed. And due to the nature of the job, sometimes it will be required with very short notice.

In fact, I looked it up. There was indeed a work travel requirement in the contract, which Verizon has offered to drop in the new contract.

So, let's see...the union negotiated a (previous) contract with work travel requirements in the contract. Workers are pissed off that they're actually expected to travel...even though it's in their contract.

You really cannot make this shit up. :rofl:

Meanwhile, the unions are asking their workers to man protests (for minimum wage hikes) around the country in "solidarity" with the middle class workers. But behind the scenes they're actually pushing for their own minimum wage exemptions to make it more appealing for businesses to invite the union in and keep the union machine churning.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[Bill]

Did the Verizon employees not know what they signed up for? I'm sure the terms of the job stated that they may be required to travel to where their services were needed. And due to the nature of the job, sometimes it will be required with very short notice.

In fact, I looked it up. There was indeed a work travel requirement in the contract, which Verizon has offered to drop in the new contract.

So, let's see...the union negotiated a (previous) contract with work travel requirements in the contract. Workers are pissed off that they're actually expected to travel...even though it's in their contract.

You really cannot make this shit up. :rofl:

Meanwhile, the unions are asking their workers to man protests (for minimum wage hikes) around the country in "solidarity" with the middle class workers. But behind the scenes they're actually pushing for their own minimum wage exemptions to make it more appealing for businesses to invite the union in and keep the union machine churning.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

Reality....it is a bitch.

[Chuck A]

I cant imagine the 10 of thousands of dollars the workers are losing striking and money that they will never get back, all the meanwhile the company is still profiting
very sad, indeed

[Chuck A]

I can't believe they are still on strike I pass through their areas and seeing these guys on strike is unbelievable going on week 6 I think .
Very sad indeed

[Stangkiller]

I can't believe they are still on strike I pass through their areas and seeing these guys on strike is unbelievable going on week 6 I think .
Very sad indeed

I'm sure the union is doing everything it can to encourage these workers to find a compromise. Clearly these workers aren't as important as they think they are. Time for a serious reality check.

[kvozel]

:iagree:

:iagree:

[Chuck A]

I'm sure the union is doing everything it can to encourage these workers to find a compromise. Clearly these workers aren't as important as they think they are. Time for a serious reality check.

:iagree: it's that the bills must be adding up , it will be hard to get back

[OddBall]

The Verizon issue is more about health care and not being able to just indiscriminately transfer employees for a month at a time, not wages.
Bill, I get.

The problem is top down, so it's not like I'm trashing capitalism.
Is anyone worth this coin?

Name/Title Total Cash Equity Other Total Compensation
Lowell C. McAdam
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer $5,661,538 $12,000,065 $598,965 $18,260,568
Daniel S. Mead
Executive Vice President and President of Strategic Initiatives $2,528,846 $5,250,041 $230,931 $8,009,818
Francis J. Shammo
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer $2,270,192 $4,725,031 $204,052 $7,199,275
John G. Stratton
Executive Vice President and President of Operations $2,206,731 $4,593,828 $203,910 $7,004,469
Marni Walden
Executive Vice President and President of Product Innovation and New Businesses $2,206,731 $4,375,074 $174,317 $6,756,122


The top 6 guys account for $47 Million in pay..... $47 MILLION !!


Google search says that Verizon has 177,900 employees (in 2015). So if you divvied up the entire 47 mil by 177,900, you'd still only have 264 bucks a head. Not really going to improve anyone's annual income.
It's kind of an apple and orange thing, robbing the rich isn't really going to help anyone out.

Weather Verizon generates enough revenue to pay the employees more or to increase their benefits, I don't know.

[Chuck A]

i have seen and heard picketers actually yelling at customers going into store, i bet that is not good
very insane, indeed

[JRD77VET]

I'm sure the union is doing everything it can to encourage these workers to find a compromise. Clearly these workers aren't as important as they think they are. Time for a serious reality check.

:iagree: Just to round off numbers ( 50 weeks instead of 52 in a year), every week they are on strike, they lose 2% of their pay.

So they have been on strike for 6 weeks now and basically flushed down the toilet 12% of their pay. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/JRD77VET/gif/losersign.gif~original

Obviously math wasn't a strong point :crazy:

[Chuck A]

its getting dangerous out their , these guys are actually blocking personnel willing to work
very sad, indeed

[Bill]

This is the part of economics that people never seem to grasp. It's worse when discussing congress. :slap:

Capitalism: Guy drives by a nice house, says, "I want one of those, too," works hard to get it.

Communism: Guy drives by a nice house, says, "that home owner doesn't deserve that," burns down house to make sure the house owner no longer has something nicer than guy has.

We have become a society that wants everyone brought down to the lowest common denominator.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

i have seen and heard picketers actually yelling at customers going into store, i bet that is not good
very insane, indeed

Great plan: Alienate the customers that generate the revenue that pays them. :rolleyes: They may be on strike now, but they're going to still need customers when the strike is over.

[Chuck A]

Does anyone have any updates these guys are picketing right down the block from where I work

[Uncle Meat]

I've been using Verizon since I returned from overseas in 2000. Never had any issues.

U.M.

[Stangkiller]

Does anyone have any updates these guys are picketing right down the block from where I work

I'm sure the unions are begging every government official that they've paid off over the many years of corruption, to force Verizon's hand. Verizon on the other hand will continue to make money with or without these greedy workers. It's time the unions go. In the end regardless of the resolution the hard working union members that think they're doing the right thing will be the only people this strike hurts. The union will come out with a new recruiting tool claiming they forced Verizon to the bargaining table, Verizon will still end up with the labor they need, and these striking workers will never make up for their lost wages.

[Chuck A]

what i don't understand is the employees yelling at people going to the store SCABS meanwhile they don't know whether people are buying stuff or actually working at store, its getting scary their now

[JRD77VET]

Local news is reporting an "agreement" on a new contract has been reached.


I'm sure it'll cover the loses the strikers had while out on strike all these weeks :funniest:

[Chuck A]

I heard that they won't actually go back to work for a while