View Full Version : It's time to get down to brass tacks (Presidential race)...
lspencer534
05-04-2016, 1:35pm
Trump won decisively in Indiana. He now holds approximately 1041 delegates, leaving him less than 200 short of being the outright nominee. Cruz follows by a wide margin at 565 delegates and has effectively dropped out of the race. Kasich received only 8% of the Indiana vote, leaving him holding a dismal 153 delegates.
Kasich has vowed to continue his campaign in hopes to get the nomination at a brokered convention. In a plea for unity Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus delivered an impassioned appeal for party members to close ranks behind whomever wins the nomination. I think this is good advice...if the nominee is Trump and not Kasick. IMO, Kasich has no chance of winning the Presidency because (1) he's not popular, (2) he would force a run by Trump as an Independent thus splitting the vote and assuring a Hillary win, and (3) it'd be too obvious that his nomination resulted from the acts of good-ole boy politicians who want to remain comfortably housed and employed as Government employees.
I think Trump is the only winning choice for the Republican Party. People say he can't beat Hillary. Just wait until she's hammered over her e-mail account: Her defense is that nothing was sent that was at the time classified material. Oh? Several of the e-mails on her server were marked "special access program", higher even than top secret. That's what the State Department and Intelligence Community revealed in January.
All of her past scandals will surface again: Whitewatergate. Troopergate. Travelgate. Paula Jones. Monica Lewinsky. Vince Foster. Juanita Broaddrick. Vince Foster. There is now evidence that Bill Clinton may have participated in sex with underage girls. And her current mis-steps will be hard to explain away: Her lucrative speeches to Banks and other organizations (and she refuses to disclose what she talked about), The Clinton Foundation (which gives less than 10% of its earnings to charity), her hate of the NRA (which she has vowed to destroy), her likelihood of appointing a left-wing Justice to the Supreme Court (making Obama's lawless presidency permanent and making the Costitution a door mat), her handling of the Behghazi slaughter (too many contradictory e-mails to get out of this one), etc.
It's said that both Conservatives and Liberals move to the center during the general election. That will be a boon for Trump but a disaster for Hillary, because what's she said in trying to out-liberal Sanders is cast in stone and will make her ludicrously transparent.
Consider this: Thousands of deaths, and trillions of dollars, have gone to waste in the Middle East. China becomes more belligerent and richer year after year. The surge in illegal immigration has bitterly divided our country, and has made a joke of GOP claims to be the party of law and order. Liberals on the Supreme Court with help from a Reagan appointee did impose gay marriage in every State, and now threaten the religious liberties of those Americans brave enough to express traditional Christian teachings on marriage. President Obama continues to abuse his power. And with the authority given him by a Republican Congress, hes negotiated a trade deal so bad that Hillary Clinton, his former secretary of state, now has to pretend that she opposes it.
I'm not a Democrat, but I'm not your typical Republican. So far, neither party has done anything except take our rights away, spend us into near-destuction, remain crooks, and cater to anyone who supposedly has their feelings hurt or who claims racism. Hillary Clinton isn't go to do anything about this. Neither is John Kasich. Only Donald Trump is.
Trump will be my first presidential winner, EVER. We need a populist who will embrace common sense.
Libertarians for Trump!!!!
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Burro (He/Haw)
05-04-2016, 4:26pm
Hillary has a big cock.
69camfrk
05-04-2016, 4:34pm
Hillary has a big cock.
Not gonna ask how you, know, but I'll take your word for it....:dance::leaving:
Not gonna ask how you, know, but I'll take your word for it....:dance::leaving:
She's said it herself...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/ZipZapX/maxresdefault_zpspkmkiypt.jpg
if nominated, i will not run
if elected, i will not serve
Hillary has a big cock.
Have you had it in your mouth or your ass?
Burro (He/Haw)
05-04-2016, 6:24pm
Have you had it in your mouth or your ass?
I'm not a quitter, I hit her in the shitter.
Kinda strange when our sacks made contact though.
Jeff '79
05-04-2016, 6:30pm
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I love political threads in OT... :seasix:
Wathen1955
05-04-2016, 9:27pm
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He'll have to earn my vote. They both suck equally as candidates, for entirely different reasons. As of now, I'm writing in "none of the above", I may also write in a narrative filled with swear words. 300 million people and THIS is the best we can do..?! This country deserves every bad thing that happens to it.
StaticCling
05-04-2016, 9:52pm
Kasich has vowed to continue his campaign in hopes to get the nomination at a brokered convention.
Kasich suspended his campaign today...
John Kasich drops out of presidential race - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/john-kasich-drops-out/)
It's over, Trump is the Nominee.
StaticCling
05-04-2016, 10:07pm
He'll have to earn my vote. They both suck equally as candidates, for entirely different reasons. As of now, I'm writing in "none of the above", I may also write in a narrative filled with swear words. 300 million people and THIS is the best we can do..?! This country deserves every bad thing that happens to it.
Are you going to take the risk of sitting on your ass and having another Bolshevik in the Whitehouse when at least one (probably multiple) Supreme Court Justices are on the line?
Pull your fuggin head out of your ass dude. There is no perfect candidate. There never will be.
Also, with the Social Justice Warrior phenomenon going on in this Country, we will NEVER EVER EVER get a true Conservative in office again. Unless things start to turn around...
Trump is the only hope of that, however flawed he may be....
polarbear
05-04-2016, 10:15pm
He'll have to earn my vote. They both suck equally as candidates, for entirely different reasons. As of now, I'm writing in "none of the above", I may also write in a narrative filled with swear words. 300 million people and THIS is the best we can do..?! This country deserves every bad thing that happens to it.
I strong suspect a lot of voters have been asking the same question... for the past 16 years. And the collective conclusion is if the "experts" from both parties can bring us to this point... maybe it's time to try a different strategy.
Which brought us to Trump (and Bernie). Outside of the obvious differences, I think they have more in common than they'd care to admit.
I personally think voters are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.
StaticCling
05-04-2016, 10:17pm
I strong suspect a lot of voters have been asking the same question... for the past 16 years. And the collective conclusion is if the "experts" from both parties can bring us to this point... maybe it's time to try a different strategy.
Which brought us to Trump (and Bernie). Outside of the obvious differences, I think they have more in common than they'd care to admit.
I personally think voters are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.
Disenfranchisement with BOTH Parties.
Cybercowboy
05-04-2016, 10:35pm
I strong suspect a lot of voters have been asking the same question... for the past 16 years. And the collective conclusion is if the "experts" from both parties can bring us to this point... maybe it's time to try a different strategy.
Which brought us to Trump (and Bernie). Outside of the obvious differences, I think they have more in common than they'd care to admit.
I personally think voters are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.
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I personally think voters are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.
Given the habitually despicable character of our two choices, you can understand why I don't. We choose our leaders, they are a reflection of us, not the other way around; it's discouraging.
The Supreme Court nominee may be the only thing that motivates me to vote for Trump. Frankly, I like it the way it is right now, if it's a tie it goes back down to the lower court; it's a better balance.
Olustee bus
05-05-2016, 7:35am
I was worried from the start about his popularity. I sincerely hope that the next few months show us a different Trump. He truly now needs to "sound" more presidential. He needs to effectively reach out to a more diverse audience. He must show real leadership in who he selects as close advisers.
I think he can do it. While I did not support him earlier, I do now.
I have a few liberal facebook friends that are posting some sick stuff about trump, primarily quoting Elizabeth Warren. That prompted me to research the rascist remarks of Trump. The complaints and concerns in my view are weak sauce.
If you are part of a society that votes, then do so. There may be no candidates and no measures you want to vote for ... but there are certain to be ones you want to vote against. In case of doubt, vote against. By this rule you will rarely go wrong.
― Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love
I am not a fan of Trump. I do hate almost everything the Progressive liberal Dems stand for so I will vote against that.
America needs LESS government. Most of our problems today are a result of too much government an both sides are helping it to grow.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 8:49am
I have a few liberal facebook friends that are posting some sick stuff about trump, primarily quoting Elizabeth Warren. That prompted me to research the rascist remarks of Trump. The complaints and concerns in my view are weak sauce.
The "racist" thing is because of the Wall and wanting to stop Muslim immigration until we can properly vet who exactly it is we are letting come over. First of all, Mexico isn't a race, and neither are Muslims a race. Secondly, illegal immigration is already against the law, he just wants to actually enforce the current law (unlike Obama and the GOPe.) Third, we have stopped immigration of certain groups a number of times in our country's history, and it is clearly outlined in the Constitution that the President has this exact power. Trump has shown over and over that he doesn't throw his people under the bus for political expediency. Remember his campaign manager and the bullshit assault charge? Cruz and Kasich both said they would fire him so fast it would make your head spin. Trump didn't, and the charge was dropped because it was complete nonsense.
The charge that he's a misandrist (hates women) is empirically false. He has many women at the highest levels in his organization. Also many minorities. For instance, the woman who is head of his charitable organization is black and she had a substance abuse problem and Trump didn't fire her, he got her help, and she absolutely loves the Trump family. There's a great video out there by her that I'll try to find for you. It is powerful.
So once you get past all the stupid name calling, then it's "Well, he's not very presidential." which is completely arbitrary and if someone doesn't like you, they can just toss that out there. I don't think Hillary acts very presidential. I don't thing ancient communists could ever act presidential. I think many people don't relate to the brash New York businessman style. And frankly, I love that fact that Trump pisses all the right people off. That right there should tell you something. And for the first time in 30 years, the Bush family and their globalist agenda is officially out of the Republican presidential race. The RNC and GOPe are on life support, but they will survive under a Trump presidency, it will just be a different organization when he's done. A change that was much needed.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 8:57am
Here's that video.
Lynne Patton "The Trump Family That I Know" - A Black Female Trump Executive Speaks - YouTube
Cyber, that's all well and good; here's the problem: Personality aside, he hasn't demonstrated the depth of knowledge to do the job at even a barely functional level, and how could he? That, and looking at an electoral college map, he doesn't change enough (if any) blue states red. And because of this, many Republicans won't bother to go vote, which means the Senate will likely go back to Democrat control.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 10:35am
Cyber, that's all well and good; here's the problem: Personality aside, he hasn't demonstrated the depth of knowledge to do the job at even a barely functional level, and how could he? That, and looking at an electoral college map, he doesn't change enough (if any) blue states red. And because of this, many Republicans won't bother to go vote, which means the Senate will likely go back to Democrat control.
Oh, right. Obama came in with such a depth of knowledge, being a freshman senator and never actually having a real job his entire life beyond community organizer. I'd say Trump has far far far more real-world knowledge than any of the other Republican candidates, and he showed that he's 16-0 going up against challengers. Doesn't turn enough states red? Says who? At this point in 1980, Reagan looked like he didn't stand a prayer of a chance against Carter. He was polling something like 20 points behind him. All the same arguments made against Trump now were bandied about in 1976 and 1980 against Reagan. He's "just an actor", he "can't carry enough states", he "doesn't have the knowledge to be president."
Just as wrong then as it is now. Trump is going to mop the floor with Hillary. It won't even be a fair fight. He'll basically be running unopposed by the time the election takes place. But what do I know. I called the Republican primary since late June of last year. I literally told people I was 99% sure Trump was going to win because of the illegal immigration issue. It's a huge deal. Hillary is easily beatable. Many of Sanders supporters are going to vote either for Trump or not at all. Any polling done this early is essentially noise.
In two years I'll be delighted if I get to post here, "hey, I was totally wrong." Will you be?
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 10:47am
In two years I'll be delighted if I get to post here, "hey, I was totally wrong." Will you be?
Won't need to.
lspencer534
05-05-2016, 10:47am
Cyber, that's all well and good; here's the problem: Personality aside, he hasn't demonstrated the depth of knowledge to do the job at even a barely functional level, and how could he? That, and looking at an electoral college map, he doesn't change enough (if any) blue states red. And because of this, many Republicans won't bother to go vote, which means the Senate will likely go back to Democrat control.
Consider this, though: You say he hasn't demonstrated the depth of knowledge to do the job. Remember that these are the primaries, where you try to gain support by basically saying "my opponents are ignorant, out-of-touch assholes." Specifcally if you're a Conservative, you say "The Democrat is a Liberal Communist, baby-killing, soft-on-crime idiot", and if you're a Liberal you say "The right-wing Republican is a racist...racist."
Talking specifics in the primaries about, say, how you'll balance the budget, is guaranteed to put your audience to sleep. The rule is, during the primaries, Republicans move to the right and Liberals move to the left; during the election both move to the center. Trump has already said that: He'll begin to concentrate on the issues facing the Country. I think Trump knows exactly what he's doing. It won't go unnoticed that he's an entirely self-financed candidate. And many people are worried about illegal immigration, even immigrants already here are worried. Many Conservatives and Liberals alike are worried aout sending jobs to other Countries.
I think you'll see during the Presidential debates that Trump is an articulate, smart, and likeable person. No one gets to be a billionaire by being stupid and unprepared. And I don't think we'll see voter apathy because too many people are afraid and worried about what is happening to our Country. Remember that Hillary's disapproval rating is at 57%. Those people will vote to keep her out of the White House.
Won't need to.
We'll see...
Like I said, I hope y'all are right; I don't have any reason to believe you are.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 11:06am
I absolutely love the ice rink story that's in The Art of the Deal. Here's the gist of it.
Back in the 80's there was an ice rink in NYC that the city was supposed to fix and re-open. For years and years Trump would ask the mayor what the situation was, what progress was being made, and he knew a lot of money had been thrown at this project. He'd see a work crew working on it for a few days, and then just disappear for months while the broken ice rink just sat there. The mayor (I think it was Koch then) would tell Donald all these excuses why it was taking so long. Finally, sick of Trump bugging him about it, he said "Fine! If you want it fixed, you do it." Thinking this would make Trump go away, but instead he jumped at it.
Trump being Trump, he said "Who knows how to fix ice rinks?" He didn't, but he knew that Canadians had a lot of ice rinks, and they seemed to be really nice. So he contacted the top ice rink maker in Canada and flew them down to look at this ice rink. They said "Oh, yeah, it just needs a few things and we can spruce the appearance up and it will be good to go." So they did, in like just a few weeks. For about 1/4 of how much the city was told it would cost to fix it. For 10 years.
So Koch sees this nice new ice rink, hears how much Trump paid to get it fixed, and asks Trump if the city can take it over, the city will reimburse him. Trump had no interest in running the ice rink and gladly agreed, except he told the city they could just have it. They insisted on paying him, so he donated that money to charity.
And if you think Trump doesn't have a solid set of viable policies, just go to his website and start reading. (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions)
all these 'experts' said Trump was going nowhere last year.....and now these same experts say he's going nowhere in the general election.....
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 11:34am
all these 'experts' said Trump was going nowhere last year.....and now these same experts say he's going nowhere in the general election.....
Yuppers. And believe me, I've heard these arguments about Trump coming from the #NeverTrump folks. They are for the most part ridiculous amateurish "political analysis" so far removed from any actual factual reality that they can be dismissed out of hand. Look at Nate Silver! He really knew his stuff this election cycle, amirite! :lol:
Scott Adams (creator of the Dilbert cartoon series) has been far more accurate than Silver, and he's been seeing the same things I have about Trump. Trump is a master persuader. I can't think of a more valuable talent for a president to have. People who say Trump can't talk don't understand at all what he is doing. When he's giving speeches in the primaries, he's talking at about a level that a 6th grader can understand, and there's a reason for that. It works. Repeat a message over and over in simple language. No need for flowery nuanced prose when your message is getting jobs back here and making America great again. But if you think that means he can't hold a conversation at a much higher level, just go back and look at some of his interviews he did in the 80's, 90's, and 00's.
He knows his audience. He knows the value of a brand. He knows how to market himself and persuade people to his point of view. And he has this much political baggage:
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So there you go. MAGA!
Trump Supporter Video - EP 3 "The Real Donald Trump Story" - YouTube
all these feckless republicans, wah, wah, wah, 'oh, we're (i'm) doomed...'
instead of bad mouthing Trump, how about getting on board, being upbeat, positive?
"trump is going to be a great president, the GOP is going to win big, we're going to make america great again, i'll help trump make america great again in congress..."
worked for Reagan... positive, optimistic, upbeat.
all these 'experts' said Trump was going nowhere last year.....and now these same experts say he's going nowhere in the general election.....
I'm not purporting to be an expert, I'm stating an opinion based on my own observations and experiences.
all these feckless republicans, wah, wah, wah, 'oh, we're (i'm) doomed...'
instead of bad mouthing Trump, how about getting on board, being upbeat, positive?
"trump is going to be a great president, the GOP is going to win big, we're going to make america great again, i'll help trump make america great again in congress..."
worked for Reagan... positive, optimistic, upbeat.
He called them all losers, why would he want the support of a bunch of "losers"?
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 11:56am
He called them all losers, why would he want the support of a bunch of "losers"?
Well, let's see. The #NeverTrump folks called Trump supporters rednecks, idiots, brain-dead, brainwashed, inbred hicks, trailer park trash, violent, dangerous, stupid, and so on.
He called them all losers, why would he want the support of a bunch of "losers"?
bandwagon effect. as long as the bandwagon is heading down the road to victory, may as well hop on instead of getting run over.
Well, let's see. The #NeverTrump folks called Trump supporters rednecks, idiots, brain-dead, brainwashed, inbred hicks, trailer park trash, violent, dangerous, stupid, and so on.
Well...he's got their support, so he's got that going for him, which is nice...:rofl:
I said it earlier, I hope y'all are right; I hope he changes my mind. It's on him, not me.
lspencer534
05-05-2016, 1:10pm
Well...he's got their support, so he's got that going for him, which is nice...:rofl:
I said it earlier, I hope y'all are right; I hope he changes my mind. It's on him, not me.
Please don't take this as criticsm; it's not meant that way. Perhaps you should also try changing your mind. Give an honest look at what your negatives about Trump are, and then ask if there's any evidence to support those negatives. People have called Trump a racist, for instance. I find nothing to support that. He's been called a loose cannon. I find that totally inconsistent in someone who is successful in business.
People say he disparages and is dismissive of women. Really? His personal and business lives don't support that. Hillary says he wants to instill fear into voters. "Pot...meet kettle." Some say he's brash and rude. But recall one of the debates where Jeb Bush tried to keep talking and wouldn't shut up. Trump very good-naturedly gave him the shush sign (finger over his lips) until Bush shut up. It was a clever and effective use of humor.
If you still can't vote for Trump, then you have elected Hillary. I think most people have or will recognize this. This isn't just another election; it's likely a last chance to get America back on path. Without Trump, we will continue to have porous borders and a huge influx of Islamists. Remember that Trump didn't say he'd never admit Islamists into the County; he just said it needs to be stopped until they can be properly vetted, which at present they aren't. This is only good common sense, as most people know.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 1:31pm
From just yesterday:
Illegal immigrant numbers skyrocket at Mexican border | TheHill (http://thehill.com/latino/278785-migrant-numbers-skyrocket-at-mexican-border)
lspencer534
05-05-2016, 3:17pm
From just yesterday:
Illegal immigrant numbers skyrocket at Mexican border | TheHill (http://thehill.com/latino/278785-migrant-numbers-skyrocket-at-mexican-border)
All the numbers I see are apprenhensions. How many more get in without being qppreended? That's why we need a wall that is fully staffed for monitoring and apprehension.
Cybercowboy
05-05-2016, 3:53pm
All the numbers I see are apprenhensions. How many more get in without being qppreended? That's why we need a wall that is fully staffed for monitoring and apprehension.
Hungary was getting thousands of "migrants" monthly, quietly built a wall, and now they get essentially zero. Funny how that works.
The "racist" thing is because of the Wall and wanting to stop Muslim immigration until we can properly vet who exactly it is we are letting come over. First of all, Mexico isn't a race, and neither are Muslims a race. Secondly, illegal immigration is already against the law, he just wants to actually enforce the current law (unlike Obama and the GOPe.) Third, we have stopped immigration of certain groups a number of times in our country's history, and it is clearly outlined in the Constitution that the President has this exact power. Trump has shown over and over that he doesn't throw his people under the bus for political expediency. Remember his campaign manager and the bullshit assault charge? Cruz and Kasich both said they would fire him so fast it would make your head spin. Trump didn't, and the charge was dropped because it was complete nonsense.
The charge that he's a misandrist (hates women) is empirically false. He has many women at the highest levels in his organization. Also many minorities. For instance, the woman who is head of his charitable organization is black and she had a substance abuse problem and Trump didn't fire her, he got her help, and she absolutely loves the Trump family. There's a great video out there by her that I'll try to find for you. It is powerful.
So once you get past all the stupid name calling, then it's "Well, he's not very presidential." which is completely arbitrary and if someone doesn't like you, they can just toss that out there. I don't think Hillary acts very presidential. I don't thing ancient communists could ever act presidential. I think many people don't relate to the brash New York businessman style. And frankly, I love that fact that Trump pisses all the right people off. That right there should tell you something. And for the first time in 30 years, the Bush family and their globalist agenda is officially out of the Republican presidential race. The RNC and GOPe are on life support, but they will survive under a Trump presidency, it will just be a different organization when he's done. A change that was much needed.
Ah, I get to bring back this old favorite, critical of the 1st Iraq War.
Geto boys - **** a war - YouTube
"I ain't gettin' my legs shot off
While Bush' old ass on TV playin' golf..."
Bushwick Bill
Sage words, from a fellow Houstonian.
04 commemorative
05-06-2016, 9:02am
She's said it herself...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y89/ZipZapX/maxresdefault_zpspkmkiypt.jpg
Ugly Slag...:willy:
I hope to God Trump wins.
He could end up being a terrible President, but it would still be great progress for America because it would mean the media, the elites, Wall-Street, both political parties, etc., etc., etc. were ALL defeated by we the people, and were completely powerless and ineffectual in swaying the vote.
Also the alternative is America literally voting for someone we all know is completely corrupt and completely arrogant and views herself as above the law and views us all not as masters for her to serve, but peons whose interests are secondary to her comfort and convenience.
Yes, on paper, she certainly is the most qualified and most prepared candidate for the job since Nixon. But the similarities w/ Nixon do not end there . . . .
Cybercowboy
05-06-2016, 9:55am
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Cybercowboy
05-06-2016, 11:52am
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I was on the Trump Train from day one when he descended from the heavens on his luxurious escalator.
#MAGA
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