Let's talk about female combat soldiers....

[lspencer534]

This is Army Captain Sarah Cudd completing a 12-mile march carrying 70 pounds of gear:

Exhausted US soldier refuses to give up in 19km march - YouTube

Yes, I admire her refusal to give up. But...let's put it in perspective: The time limit was 3 hours. That's 4 miles per hour, about walking speed of 3.1 mph. She was completely wasted after those 3 hours. In combat, a soldier may have to walk 25-30 miles, carrying that same 70 pounds in snow or desert heat, in 8 hours...and still be ready to fight.

What are your views on this? I'm not wanting to resurrect the battle of the sexes, just get frank opinions.

[DAB]

tougher than our president.

[DAB]

test was laid out before she started, she passed the test. well done ma'am.

[Dan Dlabay]

I bet most of us including me could not march 12 miles with 70 pounds of gear on.:cert:

[ApexOversteer]

test was laid out before she started, she passed the test. well done ma'am.

:iagree:

She did it within the time limit. I'm sure plenty of men don't.

[Barn Babe]

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

[78SA]

I think her determination outweighs any lack of ability.

[ApexOversteer]

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

Indeed. The test was created to separate out a certain type of man, it will still separate out that same type of soldier, even if it's a woman.

[ApexOversteer]

I'd like to see footage of the men finishing.

[VITE1]

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

:iagree:

[Barn Babe]

I'd like to see footage of the men finishing.

I'm always interested in footage of men finishing.

:leaving:

[VITE1]

I bet most of us including me could not march 12 miles with 70 pounds of gear on.:cert:

Back in my teens, and up to age 30 I could and did do it. It hurt.

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

:iagree:

[ApexOversteer]

I'm always interested in footage of men finishing.

:leaving:

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[Bill]

I'd like to see footage of the men finishing.

I'd like to see how she looks in a swimsuit, before I make any big decisions here.

[Jeff '79]

It's always good to have bait on hand. :seasix:

[ApexOversteer]

Let me just add this one to my big book of "Posts I Regret Making"...

[Chuck A]

google Israeli women soldiers dayum those are some
very hot ladies, indeed

[Craig]

I bet most of us including me could not march 12 miles with 70 pounds of gear on.:cert:

I could at that age, but wouldn't want to. That's why I spent my time on Trident submarines; push button, kill millions, watch movie; a lot less trouble.

[Datawiz]

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

This.

End of story. :yesnod:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

I'm always interested in footage of men finishing.

:leaving:

You just won the Internets. The whole internets.

:dance:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Let me just add this one to my big book of "Posts I Regret Making"...

I'd like to see footage of the men finishing.

:rofl:

You just lost at the Internet.

:leaving:

[Datawiz]

You just lost at the Internet.

:leaving:

You sure? There's nothing wrong with that anymore, is there? :lol:

[NEED-A-VETTE]

You sure? There's nothing wrong with that anymore, is there? :lol:

Not at all. Some of my best makeup and fashion tips came from men who like to watch other men finish. :D

[DAB]

Well this turned weird pretty quickly.

[Craig]

I'm sorry, what was the question..?!

[Fastguy]

So, yeah I got nothing.

Just gonna nope the dafuq out of this thread.

[78SA]

So, yeah I got nothing.

Just gonna nope the dafuq out of this thread.

:iagree:

[Barn Babe]

Do you enjoy those with pie? :leaving:

Chocolate chip cookies ftw. :lol:

[Craig]

Chocolate chip cookies ftw. :lol:

I hope that's not another euphemism; if it is, I don't want to know what it means...:leaving:

[Barn Babe]

Chocolate chip cookies ftw. :lol:

Reference to another thread that went south. :lol:

[wicked_c6]

This is Army Captain Sarah Cudd completing a 12-mile march carrying 70 pounds of gear:

Exhausted US soldier refuses to give up in 19km march - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5y7TP4w0so)

Yes, I admire her refusal to give up. But...let's put it in perspective: The time limit was 3 hours. That's 4 miles per hour, about walking speed of 3.1 mph. She was completely wasted after those 3 hours. In combat, a soldier may have to walk 25-30 miles, carrying that same 70 pounds in snow or desert heat, in 8 hours...and still be ready to fight.

What are your views on this? I'm not wanting to resurrect the battle of the sexes, just get frank opinions.

For the most part you'd never be marched 20-25 miles in full combat gear and be expected to fight. Perhaps this took place WW2 and 1... However, I could see you in a firefight and having to hike it out...which is just as necessary.

If they pass the test like a man has to...then I'm fine. They are being held to the same requirement. if they don't, then go make me a sammich... However, I think this experimental military is going to wind up with a whole lot of pregnant females in combat posititons. I recall my time as a M1 tanker being out in the field for 45 days at a time with little to do. Men and women in close quarters WILL find "something" to do. Each other. Should that preempt women from being in combat roles? No...because I'm sure there are rules now to account for it. But its another facet.

[ft laud mike]

She was attempting to earn the expert field medical badge
she technically finished the course but was in no condition to assist anyone in a real life scenario.
ie if she is your platoon medic and you are in combat with an bullet wound screaming for the medic..you look over and she is flopping around like the video..how happy would you be? How much treatment is she going to offer?
Basically, you have to be able to perform your job after the course, I doubt she could.
I have known a few medics who received this badge and they told me it was a tough course, with a high attrition rate but the performance delivered in that video is unacceptable for a "go"

[69camfrk]

As long as she meets the "standards." However, don't lower the standards to accommodate women. They want the job, they have to be just as qualified as the men.

The military has standards when they want them. Not that the Air Force is as tough as the Marines by any stretch, but an 18 year old female has lower standards on her physical training test than a 50-60 year old man that can still do more heavy work than she can. I may not run very fast around a track, but have never been able to change out a tire or brake assembly on a heavy aircraft with a female at the other side due to sheer weight and bulkiness. Not a made up story, just the truth. I'm not trying to be sexist by any stretch, so don't take it that way. But I know you won't.:cert:

[Millenium Vette]

She was attempting to earn the expert field medical badge
she technically finished the course but was in no condition to assist anyone in a real life scenario.
ie if she is your platoon medic and you are in combat with an bullet wound screaming for the medic..you look over and she is flopping around like the video..how happy would you be? How much treatment is she going to offer?
Basically, you have to be able to perform your job after the course, I doubt she could.
I have known a few medics who received this badge and they told me it was a tough course, with a high attrition rate but the performance delivered in that video is unacceptable for a "go"
:iagree:
The military has standards when they want them. Not that the Air Force is as tough as the Marines by any stretch, but an 18 year old female has lower standards on her physical training test than a 50-60 year old man that can still do more heavy work than she can. I may not run very fast around a track, but have never been able to change out a tire or brake assembly on a heavy aircraft with a female at the other side due to sheer weight and bulkiness. Not a made up story, just the truth. I'm not trying to be sexist by any stretch, so don't take it that way. But I know you won't.:cert:

:iagree:

It may not be cool to admit that women are not equal to men when it comes to physical strength but there is no denying it.

Combat is not about equal rights, it is about killing people and breaking things.

[PortDawg]

I'm always interested in footage of men finishing.

:leaving:

Good to know...:leaving:

[boracayjohnny]

I've had the pleasure of working with women that could operate aircraft loading equipment as well as any man. I've also had the pleasure of pushing pallets that are stuck inside the aircraft rails. Pushing stuck pallets, at times, is about brute strength. Would I rather have three or four lady button pushers or three or four guys? I believe you know the correct answer.

[Ol Timer]

I've had the pleasure of working with women that could operate aircraft loading equipment as well as any man. I've also had the pleasure of pushing pallets that are stuck inside the aircraft rails. Pushing stuck pallets, at times, is about brute strength. Would I rather have three or four lady button pushers or three or four guys? I believe you know the correct answer.

I suppose it would depend on what "button" you want pushed. :D

[NEED-A-VETTE]

:iagree:


:iagree:

It may not be cool to admit that women are not equal to men when it comes to physical strength but there is no denying it.

Combat is not about equal rights, it is about killing people and breaking things.

I've had the pleasure of working with women that could operate aircraft loading equipment as well as any man. I've also had the pleasure of pushing pallets that are stuck inside the aircraft rails. Pushing stuck pallets, at times, is about brute strength. Would I rather have three or four lady button pushers or three or four guys? I believe you know the correct answer.

I commend the female soldier for finishing. She was able to finish when some of her male counterparts were not.

But reality is, females are not equal to men, generally speaking, when it comes to brute strength. I'm not being sexist, it's just simple biology.

We talked about this a few months ago, with regard to females in certain combat roles. It's not even just about the ability to do the same things as a man.

On the surface, I would tend to agree. This sounds good, in theory. Unfortunately, there's a whole psychological aspect to it.

What happens when two of our soldiers are captured together (one man and one woman) and they try to use the woman against the man. Example: The captors are going to brutally gang rape the women to within an inch of her life - in front of the man - until the he gives up some info.

Now, you can tell me all damn day that training kicks in and he will just have keep his mouth closed, no matter what. That a soldier is a soldier, whether male or female. Again, in theory, that's great. But that's just not the way we are wired. The reaction of seeing a female soldier being raped and tortured will evoke a completely different response from a man than if it was a male counterpart. We may have evolved, but not enough to avoid that primal need for that man to protect that female.

This has the potential to put people in danger.

Men and women are equal, but we are not the same. Physiologically we will never be the same and there is no amount of wishing that will make it so.

[DJ_Critterus]

For the most part you'd never be marched 20-25 miles in full combat gear and be expected to fight. Perhaps this took place WW2 and 1... However, I could see you in a firefight and having to hike it out...which is just as necessary.

If they pass the test like a man has to...then I'm fine. They are being held to the same requirement. if they don't, then go make me a sammich... However, I think this experimental military is going to wind up with a whole lot of pregnant females in combat posititons. I recall my time as a M1 tanker being out in the field for 45 days at a time with little to do. Men and women in close quarters WILL find "something" to do. Each other. Should that preempt women from being in combat roles? No...because I'm sure there are rules now to account for it. But its another facet.

I'm on plenty of FB pages dedicated to military and the 11B grunts. They are not happy and I guarantee, if she doesn't cut it just once, she'll be disrespected as much, if not more, than the male soldiers who prove to be ****-ups. I'm not saying she can't do the job, but if she can't, she has to go. What worries me most is the condition of morale. Infantry bubbas don't give a **** about feelings and the PC culture. I see lots of problems coming about in that area.

[boracayjohnny]

I commend the female soldier for finishing. She was able to finish when some of her male counterparts were not.

But reality is, females are not equal to men, generally speaking, when it comes to brute strength. I'm not being sexist, it's just simple biology.

We talked about this a few months ago, with regard to females in certain combat roles. It's not even just about the ability to do the same things as a man.

Thanks for getting my real meaning. :seasix:

My friend Paulie was a smart one in using real meanings too. He put an E5 female in charge of the load/unload crew. His reasoning was simple. She was a great worker and had a million watt smile. The loads (Loadmasters, who are in charge of the cargo on the aircraft and usually male) responded very well to a young, cute female load team chief who also did a great job. :D

[8Up]

I am sure there are men that did not finish. When I was on active duty (Marines) the females were always so consious of the eyes on them and their ability to keep up, I dont remember seeing many of them drop out of PT (physical training) or humps (what you civillians call forced marches). I would bet my paycheck the percentages of women that dropped from physical avtivity was lower than the % of men, while the total participation was easily 20:1 men to women. I have lots of respect for this woman.

That said, a wounded Marine does not weigh 70 lbs, and if I am able to carry her to safety, I would expect the same in return. I have met, one, maybe 2 female Marines that I thought could carry me as far as I could carry them. that is the main reason I am against mixed gender platoons in combat roles. Marching/humping however is not limited to combat only MOS's, so just her finishing this march is outstanding.

[Brett K]

I will say this. Women are far superior to men in psychological warfare.:issues: