Come and take it......

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Yup

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Settle down. They're not gonna come to your door and take your guns. :rolleyes:

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Settle down. They're not gonna come to your door and take your guns. :rolleyes:

Like a moth to a flame........




Rest assured, I am well aware of this........:seasix:

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Like a moth to a flame........




Rest assured, I am well aware of this........:seasix:

Merely an opinion.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Like a moth to a flame........




Rest assured, I am well aware of this........:seasix:

Kinda like the youngcon.com post. :rofl: :rofl:

Almost too easy. Almost. I was just wondering what guppy was gonna bite first.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Not all guns, just the automatic ones that can KILL a lot of people fast. :thumbs:

[Shrike6]

First, "common sense" gun laws that keep expanding restrictions and outright bans. Then ammunition controls and regulations, taxes, etc. Then banned gun types subject to mandatory turn in with the force of law. One after another, every type of gun is banned and confiscated, by force if necessary. See Australia's experience, for just one example.
Don't assume anything. Any retreat is the thin edge of the wedge.

[Jeff '79]

First, "common sense" gun laws that keep expanding restrictions and outright bans. Then ammunition controls and regulations, taxes, etc. Then banned gun types subject to mandatory turn in with the force of law. One after another, every type of gun is banned and confiscated, by force if necessary. See Australia's experience, for just one example.
Don't assume anything. Any retreat is the thin edge of the wedge.

I can't believe Obama said that.
Hillary and Obama are so out of touch with reality right now is just confounding to me.

Personally, I think background checks are a good idea.
Where do you draw the line though?
Going 74 in a 65 ? Going 85 in a 65?
Therein lies the conundrum.

[Cybercowboy]

Not all guns, just the automatic ones that can KILL a lot of people fast. :thumbs:

The only reason to run an automatic rifle on full-auto is for covering fire type situations, or as a crew-served weapon (military.)

If you mean semi-automatic, well, then that would negate roughly anything new made in the last 100 years, design-wise.

But even a revolver, 1850's tech, can fire as fast as a semi-auto. If you're talking magazine size, well, there are all sorts of ways to change out magazines fast, or speed loaders for revolvers I guess.

[Cybercowboy]

I can't believe Obama said that.
Hillary and Obama are so out of touch with reality right now is just confounding to me.

Personally, I think background checks are a good idea.
Where do you draw the line though?
Going 74 in a 65 ? Going 85 in a 65?
Therein lies the conundrum.

California has the gun laws that even the most zealous anti-gun congress critter would point to as a great example, and yet, the perps yesterday broke no laws there. They already have "common sense" gun laws, but when you have a determined foe, like in Paris, it matters not. Note that the crime was, once again, committed in a location where the shooters were fully assured there were no armed citizens. Last spring they tried it in Texas at the Mohammed cartoon thing, didn't work out so well (although it was a cop that shot the guy, there were many armed folks inside that would have fired back.) Terrorist killed zero, even though he was well armed.

I was at a Kid Rock concert in Rogers AK a few months ago, and there were no metal detectors, no searching at all. Never felt safer at a concert. If anyone tried something there it would have gone like this:

Bang!

Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang.

[DAB]

Not all guns, just the automatic ones that can KILL a lot of people fast. :thumbs:

you have a lot to learn about guns.

about 100 years ago a device was invented that could attach to a common bolt action rifle and turn it into an auto loading rifle - same type as any currently available semi-automatic firearm.

fully automatic firearms are very heavily regulated and no longer made for public sale (stopped in 1986).

[DAB]

The only reason to run an automatic rifle on full-auto is for covering fire type situations, or as a crew-served weapon (military.)

If you mean semi-automatic, well, then that would negate roughly anything new made in the last 100 years, design-wise.

But even a revolver, 1850's tech, can fire as fast as a semi-auto. If you're talking magazine size, well, there are all sorts of ways to change out magazines fast, or speed loaders for revolvers I guess.

or just bring a NY reload (second gun).

[VITE1]

Settle down. They're not gonna come to your door and take your guns. :rolleyes:

Tell that to the people of New Orleans.

[Blademaker]

Not all guns, just the automatic ones that can KILL a lot of people fast. :thumbs:

And, therein, is one of many problems about the misconception about *Guns*
The uninformed make vast, ignorant, sweeping comments such as this about *Automatic* weapons, when, they're not only wrong, but untrue. Hint: In an automatic weapon, the weapon fires as long as the trigger is held down. In a semi automatic weapon, the trigger must be pulled for every round fired. Rest assured, that there is one helluva difference.

The only reason to run an automatic rifle on full-auto is for covering fire type situations, or as a crew-served weapon (military.)
If you mean semi-automatic, well, then that would negate roughly anything new made in the last 100 years, design-wise.

But even a revolver, 1850's tech, can fire as fast as a semi-auto. If you're talking magazine size, well, there are all sorts of ways to change out magazines fast, or speed loaders for revolvers I guess.



California has the gun laws that even the most zealous anti-gun congress critter would point to as a great example, and yet, the perps yesterday broke no laws there. They already have "common sense" gun laws, but when you have a determined foe, like in Paris, it matters not. Note that the crime was, once again, committed in a location where the shooters were fully assured there were no armed citizens. Last spring they tried it in Texas at the Mohammed cartoon thing, didn't work out so well (although it was a cop that shot the guy, there were many armed folks inside that would have fired back.) Terrorist killed zero, even though he was well armed.

I was at a Kid Rock concert in Rogers AK a few months ago, and there were no metal detectors, no searching at all. Never felt safer at a concert. If anyone tried something there it would have gone like this:

Bang!

Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang Bang.

you have a lot to learn about guns.

about 100 years ago a device was invented that could attach to a common bolt action rifle and turn it into an auto loading rifle - same type as any currently available semi-automatic firearm.

fully automatic firearms are very heavily regulated and no longer made for public sale (stopped in 1986).

Thank you, guys for pointing out the truth. :seasix:

[Blademaker]

Kinda like the youngcon.com post. :rofl: :rofl:

Almost too easy. Almost. I was just wondering what guppy was gonna bite first.

:funniest::funniest::funniest:

[Kerrmudgeon]

The only reason to run an automatic rifle on full-auto is for covering fire type situations, or as a crew-served weapon (military.)

If you mean semi-automatic, well, then that would negate roughly anything new made in the last 100 years, design-wise.

But even a revolver, 1850's tech, can fire as fast as a semi-auto. If you're talking magazine size, well, there are all sorts of ways to change out magazines fast, or speed loaders for revolvers I guess.

Ya, I'm familiar with the concept, that's why I SAID automatic. :slap:



DAB wrote:you have a lot to learn about guns.

about 100 years ago a device was invented that could attach to a common bolt action rifle and turn it into an auto loading rifle - same type as any currently available semi-automatic firearm.

fully automatic firearms are very heavily regulated and no longer made for public sale (stopped in 1986).

And stupid ol me was under the impression that almost anyone with any skills at all could modify certain weapons easily to make them fully automatic, the way they were intentioned. :toetap:

[RedLS1GTO]

Ya, I'm familiar with the concept, that's why I SAID automatic. :slap:

And stupid ol me was under the impression that almost anyone with any skills at all could modify certain weapons easily to make them fully automatic. :toetap:

Stop being a troll.

This dumbass discussion has already happened. :rolleyes:

Oh... and you have also gone down the dumbf*ck "the way they were intentioned" path where you make the claim that an AR can be turned into an "automatic killing machine" by bubba in his garage.

Just trying to save you some time. :seasix:

[DAB]

So please show us how to modify an AR-15 type rifle into full automatic.

I don't know.

I do know that if you do it without permission, you've committed a felony.

[Cybercowboy]

AR-15 death mod, it's easy. Step one: get the shoulder thing that goes up. Step two: bayonet mount. Done.

[island14]

So please show us how to modify an AR-15 type rifle into full automatic.

I don't know.

I do know that if you do it without permission, you've committed a felony.


Well since you asked.. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKLD5yVl0PM

[Chris Fowler]

Just curious which of the mass shootings, specifically, would have been stopped by any of the "common sense" gun laws that are being proposed...

I've yet to hear one example.

[DAB]

Well since you asked.. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKLD5yVl0PM

I wanted Kermie to tell me. Not do a google search.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Stop being a troll.

This dumbass discussion has already happened. :rolleyes:

Oh... and you have also gone down the dumbf*ck "the way they were intentioned" path where you make the claim that an AR can be turned into an "automatic killing machine" by bubba in his garage.

Just trying to save you some time. :seasix:

Who shat in your cornflakes? :toetap:

I simply made a comment on the availability of guns that kill fast as compared to slow. the slower the better seems reasonable to me. Not trolling....don't even know what that means.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Just curious which of the mass shootings, specifically, would have been stopped by any of the "common sense" gun laws that are being proposed...

I've yet to hear one example.

I'm not saying John Q. Public shouldn't be armed. But if we subscribe to the good guy with a gun fantasy we would be a failed society if we relied on it to solve this issue.

[RedLS1GTO]

Who shat in your cornflakes? :toetap:

I simply made a comment on the availability of guns that kill fast as compared to slow. the slower the better seems reasonable to me. Not trolling....don't even know what that means.

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/23370-new-rifle-showed-up-dance.html

Can anyone give me a GOOD reason for any body who is non military to own one of those.......other than a lame.....it's fun! :slap:


Sure, every hunter need a machine gun to dismember their pray! :slap:

or assassins!....:willy:


BTW, what the hell does military weaponry/power have to do with joe public having automatic killing machine weapons? Are YOU going to come up and protect me?
The only thing we need protection from is YOU! :slap:


correct me if I'm wrong, but that piece can be easily converted back to it's original automatic status very easily.:yesnod:



Sounds good in theory. I wonder how many U.S.school kids will be killed by this type of weapon in the future? Is it necessary?

[RedLS1GTO]

Well since you asked.. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKLD5yVl0PM

The key to this is in the first few seconds of the video. "It was converted in 1984"

You CANNOT DO THIS to any of the current production "civilian" ARs without a significant amount of machine work and you could only do it to a very low number of the earlier rifles (pre-1986). Even machining isn't possible on a vast majority because they are designed specifically to prevent people from doing it.

It easily costs > $10k to convert an AR (starting with an older rifle). Even if you had all of the parts, they simply won't fit into a semi-auto lower. They might look the same outwardly, but they are not.

Thinking that Joe nobody can go to the gun shop, buy an AR and make it into a machine gun in his garage in a couple of hours as so many people try to claim is simply ignorant.

Typical "it looks scary".

[Kerrmudgeon]

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/23370-new-rifle-showed-up-dance.html

Glad you found something to do this morning. Good for you. :rofl:

[RedLS1GTO]

Glad you found something to do this morning. Good for you. :rofl:

Yea... it took a whopping 10 seconds to search for the word "automatic" and your name and click the quote button. :shrug:

[Kerrmudgeon]

Yea... it took a whopping 10 seconds to search for the word "automatic" and your name and click the quote button. :shrug:

Well, thanks for posting up all those quotes, and I still have the same opinions in them all. :thumbs:

[Craig]

I'm not saying John Q. Public shouldn't be armed. But if we subscribe to the good guy with a gun fantasy we would be a failed society if we relied on it to solve this issue.

It might not solve the issue every time, but it would even the odds a bit.

[VITE1]

I'm not saying John Q. Public shouldn't be armed. But if we subscribe to the good guy with a gun fantasy we would be a failed society if we relied on it to solve this issue.

To some degree I agree.

We have a societal issues that is the root cause of these mass shooting. Until that is addressed no matter what we do about guns, Knifes, cars and other objects used to slaughter people we will still have the issue.

Until then I will go with the "good guy with a gun" because it's better than most of the alternatives being offered up.

[RedLS1GTO]

Well, thanks for posting up all those quotes, and I still have the same opinions in them all. :thumbs:

You still have the opinion that it's easy to convert an every day AR into full-auto? That's not an "opinion". It's simply an incorrect statement.

I have 1 question. How many people have been killed in the US with machine guns in the last decade? If you don't know the actual number, your best guess will suffice.

You know the answer to both. You know that some off the shelf gun shop AR can't be "easily converted" and you know that fully automatic guns aren't actually even close to a problem in this country, which comes full circle back to my original comment.

Stop being a troll.

Here, I'll even help with a definition.

Troll
/trōl/

noun

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

[RedLS1GTO]

We have a sociital issues that is the root cause of these mass shoorting. Until that is addressed no matter what we do about guns, Knifes, cars and other objects used to slaughter people we will still have the issue.

The simple minded idealism is laughable.

These people actually believe that if these lunatics didn't have access to a gun, they wouldn't kill people. I'm sure that if these guys didn't have guns they would have just gone about their lives peacefully ever after, right? Is that really the argument here? If they didn't have guns they wouldn't have killed people?

There are nowhere as many guns in the ME as there are here. A vast majority of people in the ME don't have any access whatsoever to guns. How has that worked out? It's a pretty safe place, right?

If I wanted to kill people, I could drive my dually into a crowd and take out more than these guys just did in Cali. I could easily take out 14 with a Garand, which I don't think anybody puts on the "assault weapon" list. Hell, you give me a gun free zone and I could easily get more than 14 rounds out of the 110 year old m1903 hanging on my wall... and I guarantee that the .30-06 is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than the 5.56 of an AR.

Guns aren't a problem. PEOPLE are the problem. People were killing each other en masse well before guns existed. Thinking that if they went away that it would somehow stop (or even decrease) is just stupid idealism.

[69camfrk]

The simple minded idealism is laughable.

These people actually believe that if these lunatics didn't have access to a gun, they wouldn't kill people. I'm sure that if these guys didn't have guns they would have just gone about their lives peacefully ever after, right? Is that really the argument here? If they didn't have guns they wouldn't have killed people?

There are nowhere as many guns in the ME as there are here. A vast majority of people in the ME don't have any access whatsoever to guns. How has that worked out? It's a pretty safe place, right?

If I wanted to kill people, I could drive my dually into a crowd and take out more than these guys just did in Cali. I could easily take out 14 with a Garand, which I don't think anybody puts on the "assault weapon" list. Hell, you give me a gun free zone and I could easily get more than 14 rounds out of the 110 year old m1903 hanging on my wall... and I guarantee that the .30-06 is going to do a hell of a lot more damage than the 5.56 of an AR.

Guns aren't a problem. PEOPLE are the problem. People were killing each other en masse well before guns existed. Thinking that if they went away that it would somehow stop (or even decrease) is just stupid idealism.

So what you are saying is people weren't killing each other with knives, rocks, swords, musket's, etc. prior to modern guns? Hell, I find that hard to believe.....Wasn't the Army killing native Americans with AK-47's in the 1800's? No way they could kill that many without semi-auto's.:leaving:

[island14]

The key to this is in the first few seconds of the video. "It was converted in 1984"

You CANNOT DO THIS to any of the current production "civilian" ARs without a significant amount of machine work and you could only do it to a very low number of the earlier rifles (pre-1986). Even machining isn't possible on a vast majority because they are designed specifically to prevent people from doing it.

It easily costs > $10k to convert an AR (starting with an older rifle). Even if you had all of the parts, they simply won't fit into a semi-auto lower. They might look the same outwardly, but they are not.

Thinking that Joe nobody can go to the gun shop, buy an AR and make it into a machine gun in his garage in a couple of hours as so many people try to claim is simply ignorant.

Typical "it looks scary".

I didn't watch the video.. :island14: :D


They should have made them more colorful so they wouldn't be so scary looking. :D

And besides, what self respecting terrorist would ever want to be seen with the Hello Kitty version. :island14:



Personally I think the Republicans should give out free guns, then they would get more votes than the guys that give away free cell phones. :seasix:

:cert:

[Mike Mercury]

These people actually believe that if these lunatics didn't have access to a gun, they wouldn't kill people.

the same socialistic idiots believe this will stop it:





http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Apparently+no1+knows+what+sarcasm+is+_6f772edf63ecf22749be8af04570c8e4.jpg

[boracayjohnny]

So what you are saying is people weren't killing each other with knives, rocks, swords, musket's, etc. prior to modern guns? Hell, I find that hard to believe.....Wasn't the Army killing native Americans with AK-47's in the 1800's? No way they could kill that many without semi-auto's.:leaving:

:rofl::lol:

[Chris Fowler]

I'm not saying John Q. Public shouldn't be armed. But if we subscribe to the good guy with a gun fantasy we would be a failed society if we relied on it to solve this issue.
The good guy with a gun has stopped a lot more murderers than the good guy without a gun.

Is it a guarantee? Absolutely not. But at least it's a chance...