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'Pastafarian' gets to wear spaghetti colander on head in license photo
AP
Monday, November 16, 2015 05:15AM
BOSTON, MA --
A Massachusetts agency is letting a woman who belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster wear a colander on her head in her driver's license photo after she cited her religious beliefs.
Lowell resident Lindsay Miller said Friday that she "absolutely loves the history and the story" of Pastafarians, whose website says has existed in secrecy for hundreds of years and entered the mainstream in 2005.
Miller says wearing the spaghetti strainer allows her to express her beliefs, like other religions are allowed to do.
A spokesman for the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles says policy does not permit head coverings or hats on license photos, but exceptions are made for religious reasons.
Lawyer Patty DeJuneas calls Pastafarianism a "secular religion that uses parody to make its point."
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Cool, now every time she shows her I.D., people will know she's an idiot.
island14
11-17-2015, 2:20am
Feckin Pastafarians... :Jeff '79:
OldSarge
11-17-2015, 10:22am
I guess anything can be a religion these days.
Jobaka
11-17-2015, 11:42am
Cool, now every time she shows her I.D., people will know she's an idiot.
I respectfully disagree.
A spokesman for the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles says policy does not permit head coverings or hats on license photos, but exceptions are made for religious reasons.
Lawyer Patty DeJuneas calls Pastafarianism a "secular religion that uses parody to make its point."
In this case, the idiocy is coming from the government. She's just using their stupid rules to point it out, and have a little fun at their expense.
It's an identity card, for crying out loud, but if you claim a religious exception, the govt. will allow you to conceal your identity on your identity card.
Iron Chef
11-17-2015, 11:50am
Cool, now every time she shows her I.D., people will know she's an idiot.
She was probably an idiot before. Now there is photographic evidence to prove it.
Kerrmudgeon
11-17-2015, 11:58am
I thinks it's hilarious, and it does prove a point when the Muslim women expect to wear their habibs with only their eye's showing when applying for photo bearing ID cards like drivers licenses and health cards.
Big debate up here about whether they should be able to wear those things in citizenship ceremonies and ID. .....:slap:
I respectfully disagree.
In this case, the idiocy is coming from the government. She's just using their stupid rules to point it out, and have a little fun at their expense.
It's an identity card, for crying out loud, but if you claim a religious exception, the govt. will allow you to conceal your identity on your identity card.
:iagree:
I respectfully disagree.
In this case, the idiocy is coming from the government. She's just using their stupid rules to point it out, and have a little fun at their expense.
It's an identity card, for crying out loud, but if you claim a religious exception, the govt. will allow you to conceal your identity on your identity card.
She didn't prove anything useful.
Who would hire someone like this?
She didn't prove anything useful.
Who would hire someone like this?
By the time you get to the "present your DL and SS card" stage, you're hired. If the employer backed out when he saw the DL photo, he'd be up for a lawsuit, because we can't discriminate against anyone based on their closely held religious beliefs, right?
By the time you get to the "present your DL and SS card, you're hired. If the employer backed out when he saw the DL photo, he'd be up for a lawsuit, because we can't discriminate against anyone based on their closely held religious beliefs, right?
We can choose not to hire because of newly discovered evidence that the person appears to be an idiot.
We can choose not to hire because of newly discovered evidence that the person appears to be an idiot.
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I am FOR people and businesses being able to discriminate against people for any reason. Note I am not for discrimination itself, but for the right of private citizens and private businesses to have that right.
That isn't the way things are, however, and this woman just threw it in the face of government.
Religious Discrimination
Religious discrimination involves treating a person (an applicant or employee) unfavorably because of his or her religious beliefs. The law protects not only people who belong to traditional, organized religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism, but also others who have sincerely held religious, ethical or moral beliefs.
Religious discrimination can also involve treating someone differently because that person is married to (or associated with) an individual of a particular religion or because of his or her connection with a religious organization or group.
Religious Discrimination & Work Situations
The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment.
Religious Discrimination & Harassment
It is illegal to harass a person because of his or her religion.
Harassment can include, for example, offensive remarks about a person's religious beliefs or practices. Although the law doesn't prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that aren't very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).
The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.
Religious Discrimination (http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/religion.cfm)
So, go ahead and explain to the EEOC that you recinded her job offer because you discovered she was an idiot because of her DL photo. You'll end up just like the cake baker who didn't make a cake for the gay couple.
island14
11-17-2015, 1:57pm
She didn't prove anything useful.
Who would hire someone like this?
A Pasta factory? :island14:
It's not the church of fish, milk, and cheese, but it's a decent start towards liberty.
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