Would a front wheel drive car have

[repo]

an all wheel alignment done?

02/25/2011 39,574 Coggin Nissan At The Avenues
Jacksonville, FL
904-880-3000
nissanavenues.cogginauto.com
issanavenues.coggin
auto.com Four wheel alignment performed

[Sea Six]

Some vehicles have no provision for alignment adjustments in the rear.

Case in point: my 1984 Dodge B-150 work van. Fortunately, the wreck it was involved a few years before I bought it didn't mess up the factory alignment too badly.

[Uri]

Wheel Alignment A Short Course (http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm)

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[Jeff '79]

Wheel Alignment A Short Course (http://www.familycar.com/Alignment.htm)

Yes................


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We got a live one....WTF ??....:rofl:

[repo]

:D:hi:

[NB2K]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.

[G8rDMD]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.

Seems like it. That's why I was shocked when I recently bought 4 tires for my 4Runner at Firestone...they said they'd have to check the alignment during the install and they would let me know. Surprisingly, they said the alignment was within specs :hurray::hurray: I for sure expected them to try and tack on a couple hundred clams :dance:

[repo]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.

:withstupid:

[Olustee bus]

Security, . . . . . . security, . . . . . . .we need you in the lobby please.

[repo]

Security, . . . . . . security, . . . . . . .we need you in the lobby please.

:slap:

[Omega Man]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.

Please explain. I think the 4 wheel alignment is a scam for the following reason. An alignment should be all 4 wheels or else your not aligning anything.

It seems to me that someone decided to call it something different so they could charge more.

I am not sure what the hell a 2 wheel alignment would do, unless your just adjusting the camber and caster, but your not aligning sheet.

[ptindall]

Please explain. I think the 4 wheel alignment is a scam for the following reason. An alignment should be all 4 wheels or else your not aligning anything.

It seems to me that someone decided to call it something different so they could charge more.

I am not sure what the hell a 2 wheel alignment would do, unless your just adjusting the camber and caster, but your not aligning sheet.

Solid axel, leaf spring rear suspenions do not do have any alignment adjustment. So if you take in a vehicle with one of these, you get a two wheel alignment.

[repo]

:shots:

[Omega Man]

Solid axel, leaf spring rear suspenions do not do have any alignment adjustment. So if you take in a vehicle with one of these, you get a two wheel alignment.

What about all of the Julio's running around texas in their work vans that are going down the road sideways? It looks as if the rear axle is out of alignment and it causing the vehicle to "crab" down the road.

I am not arguing, I am only asking. The only thing I know about alignments is when I am driving something and it is not right, I bring it somewhere.

So learn me something will ya?

[repo]

What about all of the Julio's running around texas in their work vans that are going down the road sideways? It looks as if the rear axle is out of alignment and it causing the vehicle to "crab" down the road.

I am not arguing, I am only asking. The only thing I know about alignments is when I am driving something and it is not right, I bring it somewhere.

So learn me something will ya?
Yea, if a car is going straight with no vibration and the tires are wearing fine, I wouldnt believe the mechanic asswipes.

[Sea Six]

What about all of the Julio's running around texas in their work vans that are going down the road sideways? It looks as if the rear axle is out of alignment and it causing the vehicle to "crab" down the road.

I am not arguing, I am only asking. The only thing I know about alignments is when I am driving something and it is not right, I bring it somewhere.

So learn me something will ya?

If any one of the tires is not lined up in the direction the vehicle's center of gravity is traveling, it's essentially being dragged down the road. The more it's misaligned, the more it's being dragged, offering resistance to the vehicle's motion. This unnecessarily robs horsepower, gas mileage, and tire life for those misaligned tires. Regular tire rotation only spreads the wear to those other tires that are properly aligned.

All four wheels need to be aligned if possible. Even if the rear two tires are not adjustable, it still does not make sense to have the front two tires out of alignment if their condition can be corrected.


:seeya:

[Sea Six]

One more thing:

As far as all those Julios whose car is going down the road sideways (crabbing)....

Most likely, that vehicle was involved in a collision and the frame was not restored to within its design limits. If this is the case, even if one attempts to adjust the tire alignment, there is a limit to how much tire alignment can do. You simply cannot correct out all of the crabbing if one of the settings needs to be beyond the range of the adjustable limit.

As anyone who has ever been to a track can tell you, you always want to do hard braking while the vehicle is traveling in a straight line if at all possible; otherwise, if you're going around a curve for instance, you might go into a flat spin, or worse, roll the car... losing all control of the vehicle.

In certain emergency, hard-braking events, Julio's vehicle could lose control and cost someone their property, life and/or limbs... where if it had an acceptable frame and tire alignment, it might not.


The bottom line: Whether or not some shops are abusing the concept of tire alignment, it's still important for economy and safety reasons. The idea is to find a reputable shop to do business with.

Except for gross misalignments, you just can't tell without putting the vehicle on the alignment rack and hooking up those sensors.

[Olustee bus]

What about all of the Julio's running around texas in their work vans that are going down the road sideways? It looks as if the rear axle is out of alignment and it causing the vehicle to "crab" down the road.

I am not arguing, I am only asking. The only thing I know about alignments is when I am driving something and it is not right, I bring it somewhere.

So learn me something will ya?

Day frame be bent. dat why day go down day road all catty whumpus.:dance:

[Omega Man]

Day frame be bent. dat why day go down day road all catty whumpus.:dance:

This I understand.:crazy:

[ptindall]

What about all of the Julio's running around texas in their work vans that are going down the road sideways? It looks as if the rear axle is out of alignment and it causing the vehicle to "crab" down the road.

I am not arguing, I am only asking. The only thing I know about alignments is when I am driving something and it is not right, I bring it somewhere.

So learn me something will ya?

When that's the case, a front end alignment will be impossible. The frame or the rear suspension needs to be repaired first and that's exactly what the shop should tell you if you ask for a front end or four wheel alignment. Even though it is just a front end alignment, the rear wheels are still used to orient the axis of the vehicle, not the frame.

[Datawiz]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.

Not for me. :D

Having the proper race alignment is important for me. :yesnod:

[ptindall]

If any one of the tires is not lined up in the direction the vehicle's center of gravity is traveling, it's essentially being dragged down the road. The more it's misaligned, the more it's being dragged, offering resistance to the vehicle's motion. This unnecessarily robs horsepower, gas mileage, and tire life for those misaligned tires.

What do you mean, "dragged?" If your solid rear axel is misaligned from the frame, it will not be, "dragging." The front wheels will be turned so that all four are rolling without any skidding. The rear tires will have no more resistance or wear than normal. And the only reason the fronts will wear oddly is because of camber change due to caster. No horsepower is lost. The only reason fuel mileage would suffer is additional aerodynamic drag. Unsafe braking is true.

[ptindall]

As anyone who has ever been to a track can tell you, you always want to do hard braking while the vehicle is traveling in a straight line if at all possible; otherwise, if you're going around a curve for instance, you might go into a flat spin, or worse, roll the car... losing all control of the vehicle.

Uh, no. That would only be the case if you had way too much rear brake bias. 99% of cars will understeer if trying to corner while braking hard.

[Sea Six]

If any one of the tires is not lined up in the direction the vehicle's center of gravity is traveling, it's essentially being dragged down the road.

:seeya:

What do you mean, "dragged?" If your solid rear axel is misaligned from the frame, it will not be, "dragging." The front wheels will be turned so that all four are rolling without any skidding. The rear tires will have no more resistance or wear than normal. And the only reason the fronts will wear oddly is because of camber change due to caster. No horsepower is lost. The only reason fuel mileage would suffer is additional aerodynamic drag. Unsafe braking is true.

I guess I should have been more clear. I was talking about the case in which one tire was misaligned with the other tires. In that case, it is being dragged. If all four are misaligned with respect to the vehicle's motion, yet are aligned with respect to each other, they will not be dragging a tire.

Thanks for pointing that out. Did you use to work in an alignment shop?

:cheers:

[MrPeabody]

This thread is so informative. All these years I thought it was "caddy whumpus", not "catty whumpus".

[Sea Six]

This thread is so informative. All these years I thought it was "caddy whumpus", not "catty whumpus".

The industry standard terminology is "caddy whumpus" for GM products, and "catty whumpus" for Ford products.

[MrPeabody]

The industry standard terminology is "caddy whumpus" for GM products, and "catty whumpus" for Ford products.

I guess ricers would be "kitty whumpus".

[Sea Six]

I guess ricers would be "kitty whumpus".

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


You could even go with something, uh, else. :D

[ptindall]

I guess I should have been more clear. I was talking about the case in which one tire was misaligned with the other tires. In that case, it is being dragged. If all four are misaligned with respect to the vehicle's motion, yet are aligned with respect to each other, they will not be dragging a tire.

Thanks for pointing that out. Did you use to work in an alignment shop?

:cheers:

Okay, I gotcha and agree with you. I thought we were just talking about Julio's van with the crooked rear axel. :cheers:

Never worked in an alignment shop. I worked in a small high performance shop once upon a time but my suspension and alignment knowledge is strictly amateur.

[Sea Six]

my suspension and alignment knowledge is strictly amateur.

And mine isn't even that... it's more anecdotal. :beer:

[repo]

Not for me. :D

Having the proper race alignment is important for me. :yesnod:
How did you get to 10k? You fuks have a game and not invite me?
:slap:

[Datawiz]

How did you get to 10k? You fuks have a game and not invite me?
:slap:

I haven't played since we p0wned Jax. If you look at the photo, I was over 12K and lost some of it.

[repo]

I haven't played since we p0wned Jax. If you look at the photo, I was over 12K and lost some of it.

:cheers:

[MrPeabody]

How did you get to 10k? You fuks have a game and not invite me?
:slap:

Who would invite someone with $30 to a poker game.:lol:

[JRD77VET]

an all wheel alignment done?

02/25/2011 39,574 Coggin Nissan At The Avenues
Jacksonville, FL
904-880-3000
nissanavenues.cogginauto.com
issanavenues.coggin
auto.com Four wheel alignment performed

Some models have bolt on rear spindles which can be adjusted by shimming.

[LATB]

Alignment after shocks?

I'm going to put Bilstein shocks on all 4 corners of my Tacoma...the front are adjustable and I want to use the 1st setting, lifting the front about one inch.

I understand that this should require an alignment?

???

[repo]

Who would invite someone with $30 to a poker game.:lol:

I stashed a grand somewhere waiting for the next game. Serious...:dance:

[kapayakapaya]

I stashed a grand somewhere waiting for the next game. Serious...:dance:
You want some $? I haven't touched the gameroom in a couple weeks

[repo]

You want some $? I haven't touched the gameroom in a couple weeks

serious?:cheers:

Where ya been homez?

[kapayakapaya]

serious?:cheers:

Where ya been homez?
There ya go :thumbs: Work's been killing me - first project for a new client. I'm hoping to turn it into a couple/few yrs worth of other projects so I gotta go the extra mile on this one :cheers:

Oh, and also picked up a moderate "conflict of interest" at the client that has been severly limiting my forum time at night :leaving:

[81.]

Alignments are becoming the biggest scam since rust-proofing.



yup..one place here recommended it every 3K miles.

[Midnight85]

To put it as simple as I know how, all Vettes after '62 should have a 4 wheel alignment. On other cars with similar suspensions the same applies. If a car has struts, not shocks, it should have a 4 wheel alignment.

[repo]

There ya go :thumbs: Work's been killing me - first project for a new client. I'm hoping to turn it into a couple/few yrs worth of other projects so I gotta go the extra mile on this one :cheers:

Oh, and also picked up a moderate "conflict of interest" at the client that has been severly limiting my forum time at night :leaving:Well good luck with it, not that you will need it.

Yea, I hate it when work interferes with fun, but what can you do? Responsibility sucks.:shots:

[ptindall]

Alignment after shocks?

I'm going to put Bilstein shocks on all 4 corners of my Tacoma...the front are adjustable and I want to use the 1st setting, lifting the front about one inch.

I understand that this should require an alignment?

???

Shocks should not be able to lift your vehicle. They are just dampeners. Any shock adjustment will be adjusting the stiffness, not ride hieghts. Your Tacoma has double wishbone front suspension so they are, in fact, shocks and not struts. So no alignment will be needed unless you are doing some other mod at the same time that will lift the truck.

[LATB]

Shocks should not be able to lift your vehicle. They are just dampeners. Any shock adjustment will be adjusting the stiffness, not ride hieghts. Your Tacoma has double wishbone front suspension so they are, in fact, shocks and not struts. So no alignment will be needed unless you are doing some other mod at the same time that will lift the truck.

The Bilstein 5100's for the front have adjustment at 4 levels:
0
.85
1.75
2.5
the rears do not adjust.

I'll go with the .85 to compensate for the 4-leaf pack rear springs Toyota was gracious enough to give me (2K in parts & labor). this will level the truck to a factory stance about one inch taller F&R.

The Tacoma front suspension has a coil over shock set up...the 5100's have adjustment to the collar that holds the coil...as I understand it, the lower settings do not harm the ride much if any (the better shock makes up for any loss of ride from the coil preload)...

I guess I'll need an alignment.

btw, Toyota did an alignment when the new rear springs were installed.

[C5SilverBullet]

Had this discussion with our service manager the other day, apparently all FWD cars require a 4 wheel alignment.

[ptindall]

The Bilstein 5100's for the front have adjustment at 4 levels:
0
.85
1.75
2.5
the rears do not adjust.

I'll go with the .85 to compensate for the 4-leaf pack rear springs Toyota was gracious enough to give me (2K in parts & labor). this will level the truck to a factory stance about one inch taller F&R.

The Tacoma front suspension has a coil over shock set up...the 5100's have adjustment to the collar that holds the coil...as I understand it, the lower settings do not harm the ride much if any (the better shock makes up for any loss of ride from the coil preload)...

I guess I'll need an alignment.

Okay, I see what you are talking about. The shock is a coilover shocks with multiple positions for the spring seat. Pretty cool. I doubt the alignment would change much, but it will probably change some. How much would depend upon the design of the suspension and how much you care would depend upon you. Wouldn't hurt to have it checked and adjusted though. :cheers:



btw, Toyota did an alignment when the new rear springs were installed

That seems like overkill. Lifting the rear just a tad would just have a tiny affect of reducing caster. You wouldn't think it would be enough to worry about at all.