I'm just going to leave this here... [Archive]

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 3:24pm

Looking good, let me know when the new wrap goes on I want to see it in person.

Redneck Corvette. When the wrap comes off the stickers should too!

Hence why the stickers are on the glass. I needed place to store many of the stickers that I plan on putting back on the new wrap.

Goes under the knife tomorrow. I posted this simply to show how well the paint has been protected for the past 2.5 years. The paint looks BRAND NEW. :yesnod:

The old wrap came off very easily, with the exception of the extra sticky glue they use in the complicated spots (i.e. mirrors, indented body parts and wheel wells). I had to use 3M adhesive remover to remove that. Also removed the clear bra that was underneath the wrap. Front end, and the rest of the car for that fact, is flawless.

I'm ordering all new fender liners as well. Current ones are all sandblasted from all of the racing. Car looks pretty damn good for over 70 race weekends on it. :beer:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Vette%20Wrap/NoseWrap-1.jpg

bradc6

02-20-2011, 3:25pm

Looking good.:thumbs:

MEC5LADY

02-20-2011, 3:26pm

They sure are purdy.

zsr22

02-20-2011, 3:27pm

Goes under the knife tomorrow. I posted this simply to show how well the paint has been protected for the past 2.5 years. The paint looks BRAND NEW. :yesnod:

The old wrap came off very easily, with the exception of the extra sticky glue they use in the complicated spots (i.e. mirrors, indented body parts and wheel wells). I had to use 3M adhesive remover to remove that. Also removed the clear bra that was underneath the wrap. Front end, and the rest of the car for that fact, is flawless.

I'm ordering all new fender liners as well. Current ones are all sandblasted from all of the racing. Car looks pretty damn good for over 70 race weekends on it. :beer:I can already hear the future sales ad... "Paint is flawless and has never seen rain."

:lol:

OddBall

02-20-2011, 3:28pm

your tree is pregnant

Sea Six

02-20-2011, 3:29pm

Emerson!

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 3:30pm

I can already hear the future sales ad... "Paint is flawless and has never seen rain."

:lol:

:yesnod:

Then again, I think I may always have this car. My daughter will be racing it in 3 years.

MrPeabody

02-20-2011, 3:34pm

gottawiz...

cheese wiz :lol:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 3:38pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/DSC_0026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Vette%20Wrap/DSC_0035.jpg

oahuyahoo

02-20-2011, 3:44pm

I'd tell the idiot to move it so I can get the other one out.

LATB

02-20-2011, 4:07pm

That pic says you have too much damn money....BALLAH!!!

prolly all financed :leaving:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 4:08pm

prolly all financed :leaving:

:yesnod:

Down to 18K on the Z06. Not bad, considering it was 76K out the door. :cheers:

LATB

02-20-2011, 4:12pm

:yesnod:

Down to 18K on the Z06. Not bad, considering it was 76K out the door. :cheers:

cool

and the DD C6?...the wife's ride?...the home?...the rest of the lifestyle?... :D

MrPeabody

02-20-2011, 4:14pm

cool

and the DD C6?...the wife's ride?...the home?...the rest of the lifestyle?... :D

You think Donald Trump owns everything outright?:lol:

LATB

02-20-2011, 4:15pm

You think Donald Trump owns everything outright?:lol:

apples<-------------------->oranges

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 4:42pm

cool

and the DD C6?...the wife's ride?...the home?...the rest of the lifestyle?... :D

We have notes on everything, however, everything has equity. Nice income, considerable retirement savings. I have never been one to pay cash outright for anything. When the Z is paid off, I will take a note on a ZR1. :yesnod:

It works for me. FWIW, I pay $100-200 over monthly payment on all vehicles. It buys the balance down rapidly.

You think Donald Trump owns everything outright?:lol:
:D

oahuyahoo

02-20-2011, 4:52pm

You think Donald Trump owns everything outright?:lol:

He's so far in debt a D9 couldn't help him for 5000 years.

73sbVert

02-20-2011, 5:19pm

They sure are purdy.

:iagree::iagree:

MrPeabody

02-20-2011, 5:41pm

apples<-------------------->oranges

Apparently so. Datawiz has some equity.

Blademaker

02-20-2011, 5:52pm

Time to graduate to a Miata.

:rofl:

LATB

02-20-2011, 6:18pm

We have notes on everything, however, everything has equity. Nice income, considerable retirement savings. I have never been one to pay cash outright for anything. When the Z is paid off, I will take a note on a ZR1. :yesnod:

It works for me. FWIW, I pay $100-200 over monthly payment on all vehicles. It buys the balance down rapidly.

:D

I forgot how young you are. :cheers:

LATB

02-20-2011, 6:18pm

Apparently so. Datawiz has some equity.

me thinks the don has a bit himself :yesnod:

GRN ENVY

02-20-2011, 7:24pm

Wow that paint looks great!!!!!!!

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 7:32pm

me thinks the don has a bit himself :yesnod:

Lars, we don't all choose to live life as you do. Thank God. :D

Then again, we're not all as old as you are either.

Christ, just this year I got my wife back in the workforce. I've carried everything, luxuries and all, for the past 12 years since my daughter was born.

We're doing quite nicely, thanks.

Had I not gotten the new job a year ago, things could have been interesting, but we're good.

Christ, my daughter has more money than me at the moment. We made sure to take care of her. Hell, I'd venture to say she has more in her account than 80% of VB. ;)

Some people take loans, especially with such cheap money, to keep their other assets available for other investments. :cheers:

MrPeabody

02-20-2011, 7:37pm

There will always be people who think it's smart to take money out of investments making 20% to pay cash for a car they could have financed at 5%.:confused:

If that's what being a baller is all about, then I guess I'll never be one.

Frizzle

02-20-2011, 7:41pm

impressive as to how well the wrap protected the car!

:hurray:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 7:53pm

impressive as to how well the wrap protected the car!

:hurray:

:iagree:

Fugging BRAND NEW. Considering I have the 2006 sitting side-by-side to compare, it's spectacular. I was a little nervous driving it to the graphics place tonight with racing slicks on and no protection. Those slicks like to sling the gravel. :willy:

GRN ENVY

02-20-2011, 7:54pm

:iagree:

Fugging BRAND NEW. Considering I have the 2006 sitting side-by-side to compare, it's spectacular. I was a little nervous driving it to the graphics place tonight with racing slicks on and no protection. Those slicks like to sling the gravel. :willy:

Painters tape is your friend :leaving:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 7:56pm

Painters tape is your friend :leaving:

:nono:

That stuff is useless at best. That's why I used contact paper for over a year before I had the wrap put on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Z06/DSC_0018.jpg

LATB

02-20-2011, 8:16pm

Lars, we don't all choose to live life as you do. Thank God. :D

Then again, we're not all as old as you are either.

Christ, just this year I got my wife back in the workforce. I've carried everything, luxuries and all, for the past 12 years since my daughter was born.

We're doing quite nicely, thanks.

Had I not gotten the new job a year ago, things could have been interesting, but we're good.

Christ, my daughter has more money than me at the moment. We made sure to take care of her. Hell, I'd venture to say she has more in her account than 80% of VB. ;)

Some people take loans, especially with such cheap money, to keep their other assets available for other investments. :cheers:

Sounds great for your girl Craig. :cheers:

I'd guess you probably already have her Florida prepaid college plan paid in full as well. :cheers:

GRN ENVY

02-20-2011, 8:17pm

:nono:

That stuff is useless at best. That's why I used contact paper for over a year before I had the wrap put on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Z06/DSC_0018.jpg

Really, I guess if you are running it as hard as you do it doesn't work as well, I think you can get large sheets of the contact paper vs the small strips of painters tape hahaha

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:22pm

Sounds great for your girl Craig. :cheers:

I'd guess you probably already have her Florida prepaid college plan paid in full as well. :cheers:

Florida schools do not impress me. She has her heart set on M.I.T. As a child who has received only 2 B's since she's been in school (7th grade), she has a reasonable shot of accomplishing that goal. She definitely has the extra curriculars going for her. Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, over 100 days serving food to the homeless, will be running her first 1/2 marathon this year, tutors her fellow students, year book committee, .....

Regardless of the school, it will likely be in the North East. The money is there for her to go wherever, and a few left over to prenup her future beau. :cheers:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:24pm

Really, I guess if you are running it as hard as you do it doesn't work as well, I think you can get large sheets of the contact paper vs the small strips of painters tape hahaha

Painter's tape is so thin. Race slicks sling rocks the size of Utah at your paint. Most people don't run slicks, so it may not be an issue for them.

Yes, I run hard. I don't wish to fight for 2nd place in any aspect of my life.

LATB

02-20-2011, 8:27pm

Florida schools do not impress me. She has her heart set on M.I.T. As a child who has received only 2 B's since she's been in school (7th grade), she has a reasonable shot of accomplishing that goal. She definitely has the extra curriculars going for her. Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do, over 100 days serving food to the homeless, will be running her first 1/2 marathon this year, tutors her fellow students, year book committee, .....

Regardless of the school, it will likely be in the North East. The money is there for her to go wherever, and a few left over to prenup her future beau. :cheers:

So...you are determined to turn her into a liberal elite? :D

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:30pm

So...you are determined to turn her into a liberal elite? :D

She hates Obama more than me. I don't think there's much chance of that. Her mom is from MassOfTwoShits, and you can't deny the fact that the best schools are in that area.

Considering the liberals took more than $40K extra cash from me last year, cuz they felt I wasn't supporting the people of Wal Mart adequately, I'm quite certain she'll keep her party lines in tact. :cheers:

LATB

02-20-2011, 8:31pm

She hates Obama more than me. I don't think there's much chance of that. Her mom is from MassOfTwoShits, and you can't deny the fact that the best schools are in that area.

Considering the liberals took more than $40K extra cash from me last year, cuz they felt I wasn't supporting the people of Wal Mart adequately, I'm quite certain she'll keep her party lines in tact. :cheers:

:cheers:

just ribbin ya...

sounds like she has an awesome future ahead of her. :hurray:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:33pm

:cheers:

just ribbin ya...

sounds like she has an awesome future ahead of her. :hurray:

I know you are. ;) I'm not going to crack out my Thesaurus and beat you over the head with it. :rofl:

LATB

02-20-2011, 8:35pm

I know you are. ;) I'm not going to crack out my Thesaurus and beat you over the head with it. :rofl:

reminds me...

where has 'ole windbag been? :D

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:36pm

reminds me...

where has 'ole windbag been? :D

:lol:

No clue.
:rep:

ConstantChange

02-20-2011, 8:39pm

YouTube - Jermaine Dupri;Nate Dogg - Ballin' Out Of Control

Iron Chef

02-20-2011, 8:44pm

Leave off the wrap and you can once again circle the hotel in bloatwave's little Black Sheep parade. :rofl:

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:45pm

YouTube - Jermaine Dupri;Nate Dogg - Ballin' Out Of Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvIz6dEoQ_Q)

Interesting song. I listened to the whole thing.

Datawiz

02-20-2011, 8:46pm

Leave off the wrap and you can once again circle the hotel in bloatwave's little Black Sheep parade. :rofl:

I'd rather remain an outcast. Then again, the new wrap is predominately black. :beer:

oyealiz

02-20-2011, 8:57pm

Is that a big oil stain on your driveway?

And how did you make it so perfectly round?! :lol:

prolly all financed :leaving:

http://www.buildingrt.com/template/fisubsilver/smilies/smiley_rolleyes.gif

Leave off the wrap and you can once again circle the hotel in bloatwave's little Black Sheep parade. :rofl:

We could start our own parade. We could still call it Black Sheep, the name just wouldn't be referring to the cars. :D :rofl:

I'd rather remain an outcast. Then again, the new wrap is predominately black. :beer:

It makes me :willy: that he said you couldn't ride with them with the wrap on your black car. Ah...to go back and ride with them in WHATEVER! What would happen? A call to the police? "These troublemakers are riding in our line and they don't have black cars." :rofl::rofl::rofl:

snide

02-20-2011, 10:57pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Off%20Topic/DSC_0059-1.jpg
:leaving:

Wish I had one of those in my garage... Oh wait, I do. :rofl:

:cheers:

73sbVert

02-20-2011, 11:19pm

Dang, one day maybe I'll have a newer one too. :(

I'll just hold on to what I've got for now though.

Cars are beauties though! :thumbs:

GRN ENVY

02-21-2011, 11:24am

Oh craig if you need someone to give you a lift up to the place call or text or whatever :cheers:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 11:25am

Oh craig if you need someone to give you a lift up to the place call or text or whatever :cheers:

Thanks. It's already at the shop going under the knife. My wife went with me yesterday afternoon. :cheers:

GRN ENVY

02-21-2011, 11:27am

Thanks. It's already at the shop going under the knife. My wife went with me yesterday afternoon. :cheers:

No problem, when is the finish date

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 11:29am

No problem, when is the finish date

Likely Friday.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 12:27pm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/Datawiz/Vette%20Wrap/NoseWrap-1.jpg

Very :cool:

How do you keep getting these sponsorships? I need one...or 10 of those. :drivingskid:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 12:32pm

Very :cool:

How do you keep getting these sponsorships? I need one...or 10 of those. :drivingskid:

Creativity and the willingness to approach someone with an idea. Estero Bay will be supplying tires this season, in exchange, anyone who purchases a new Camaro or Corvette gets a 2 day event where I race, including school. They can then try a few laps in my car as well.

I'm meeting with a guy, whom I race with, who owns 6 restaurants. The plan is for him to supply tires as well. In return, he will co-drive with me. Because his business will sponsor the car, he gets a 100% write-off. And, he ends up in the fastest car at the track.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 12:42pm

Creativity and the willingness to approach someone with an idea. Estero Bay will be supplying tires this season, in exchange, anyone who purchases a new Camaro or Corvette gets a 2 day event where I race, including school. They can then try a few laps in my car as well.

I'm meeting with a guy, whom I race with, who owns 6 restaurants. The plan is for him to supply tires as well. In return, he will co-drive with me. Because his business will sponsor the car, he gets a 100% write-off. And, he ends up in the fastest car at the track.

Those are creative. You've got quite the willingness to let someone else drive your car.

How many weekends/heat cycles do you get out of a set of tires?

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 1:00pm

Those are creative. You've got quite the willingness to let someone else drive your car.

How many weekends/heat cycles do you get out of a set of tires?

With 3 drivers, a set of tires would last 3 Sundays. By myself, I've gone 6-7 Sundays. After that, they become Saturday practice tires.

I've allowed over 70 people to race my car to date. :leaving:

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 1:08pm

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 1:12pm

That's more than I was expecting. More than I'm getting; 10-14 heat cycles.

Gotta remember that 3 Sundays back then was only 12 miles per day, 36 miles. 4 laps per driver per day.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 1:34pm

Gotta remember that 3 Sundays back then was only 12 miles per day, 36 miles. 4 laps per driver per day.

oh yes, this is true.

how's the season going so far?

Chuck A

02-21-2011, 1:37pm

Very nice, indeed

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 1:46pm

oh yes, this is true.

how's the season going so far?

Was overall Raw Time FTD in January and February. I won January (Pro/Pax Class) and came in 2nd in February. I'm leading the point standings in Pro.

Car is perfect right now. :yesnod:

dwjz06

02-21-2011, 1:58pm

With 3 drivers, a set of tires would last 3 Sundays. By myself, I've gone 6-7 Sundays. After that, they become Saturday practice tires.

I've allowed over 70 people to race my car today. :leaving:Very cool of you Craig. Next time I come to see my dad in Daytona I will try to get by to see you race. I miss my Z06. I like the wrap stuff. Do you use adhesive or is it the kind where you spray water and the wrap sets up when dry?:cheers:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 2:02pm

Very cool of you Craig. Next time I come to see my dad in Daytona I will try to get by to see you race. I miss my Z06. I like the wrap stuff. Do you use adhesive or is it the kind where you spray water and the wrap sets up when dry?:cheers:

adhesive. professionally installed.

dwjz06

02-21-2011, 2:12pm

adhesive. professionally installed.Cool. Tire bill looks pretty serious. How about brake pads, Are you using the pad lets or did you change to a one piece pad? What are you using for rotors? Don

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 2:15pm

Was overall Raw Time FTD in January and February. I won January (Pro/Pax Class) and came in 2nd in February. I'm leading the point standings in Pro.

Car is perfect right now. :yesnod:

:cool:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 2:20pm

Cool. Tire bill looks pretty serious. How about brake pads, Are you using the pad lets or did you change to a one piece pad? What are you using for rotors? Don

Single piece Carboech XP8's.

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 2:21pm

Cool. Tire bill looks pretty serious. How about brake pads, Are you using the pad lets or did you change to a one piece pad? What are you using for rotors? Don

Just ordered a new set of Hoosiers. $1,750 delivered. :willy:

dwjz06

02-21-2011, 2:23pm

Single piece Carboech XP8's.What do you use for the rears? same XP8 compound? Rotors? Was trying to see how long the stock ones lasted you and if you switched to something else. Any major cracking with the drilled holes? I will get another Z one of these days and wanted to know what works well. Thanks.

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 2:27pm

What do you use for the rears? same XP8 compound? Rotors? Was trying to see how long the stock ones lasted you and if you switched to something else. Any major cracking with the drilled holes? I will get another Z one of these days and wanted to know what works well. Thanks.

I use the Carbotechs at all 4 corners with stock rotors. Rotors easily last me the entire season. Yes, I start to get the cracks in the holes. In fact, I felt that I pushed the rotors one too many events recently, but I got away with it. Started January off with new front pads and new rotors. This setup works EXTREMELY well.

I had to chuckle the other weekend when I raced my stock '06 on street tires. That thing couldn't stop to save it's life. LOL The Z sometimes actually hops upon heavy braking because the pads and tires are so good.

dwjz06

02-21-2011, 2:35pm

I use the Carbotechs at all 4 corners with stock rotors. Rotors easily last me the entire season. Yes, I start to get the cracks in the holes. In fact, I felt that I pushed the rotors one too many events recently, but I got away with it. Started January off with new front pads and new rotors. This setup works EXTREMELY well.

I had to chuckle the other weekend when I raced my stock '06 on street tires. That thing couldn't stop to save it's life. LOL The Z sometimes actually hops upon heavy braking because the pads and tires are so good.Very cool. Good to know about the rotors. I was thinking they would get cracked pretty quickly racing. I was wondering if someone was making just a slotted rotor for the Z's that were racing. Thanks for the info. Don

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 2:38pm

Very cool. Good to know about the rotors. I was thinking they would get cracked pretty quickly racing. I was wondering if someone was making just a slotted rotor for the Z's that were racing. Thanks for the info. Don

In a stock class, I don't have a choice to use a different rotor. :(

LATB

02-21-2011, 4:47pm

Just ordered a new set of Hoosiers. $1,750 delivered. :willy:

About 15 years back...I new a guy who fielded an ARCA ride...his car was prepared by a real shop in Carolina...I believe he actually purchased the old Skoal Bandit car & shop...

His driver was a local man who actually did real well...winning a few races and placing in the top 10 in Talladega one season...

I once gave him 2 grand for one set of tires for one race...I got a sticker w/ my business name on the side of his car the size of a baseball. LoL

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 5:38pm

Just ordered a new set of Hoosiers. $1,750 delivered. :willy:

oh my lord :willy: :willy:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 6:08pm

About 15 years back...I new a guy who fielded an ARCA ride...his car was prepared by a real shop in Carolina...I believe he actually purchased the old Skoal Bandit car & shop...

His driver was a local man who actually did real well...winning a few races and placing in the top 10 in Talladega one season...

I once gave him 2 grand for one set of tires for one race...I got a sticker w/ my business name on the side of his car the size of a baseball. LoL

I'll give you a spot the size of a football for a set of tires. :D

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 6:37pm

I once gave him 2 grand for one set of tires for one race...I got a sticker w/ my business name on the side of his car the size of a baseball. LoL

I'll give you more than that. Hell, I'll repaint the whole car for 20k.

LATB

02-21-2011, 7:05pm

I'll give you a spot the size of a football for a set of tires. :D

I'll give you more than that. Hell, I'll repaint the whole car for 20k.

That's back when I was flush with cash... :D

Now, the only thing I'm sponsoring is construction of our new home...

and mods to my Harley. :dance:

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 7:09pm

That's back when I was flush with cash... :D

Now, the only thing I'm sponsoring is construction of our new home...

and mods to my Harley. :dance:

:lol: we tried

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 7:13pm

:lol: we tried

How competitive are you and your car in the league you run in? Sponsorship gets easier the more competitive you are.

BTW, I think you're due: :rep:

truckindj

02-21-2011, 7:13pm

LATB

02-21-2011, 7:15pm

only dumbasses pay cash for a car

Hello...my name is Mr. Dumbass, nice to meet you. :D

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 7:18pm

Hello...my name is Mr. Dumbass, nice to meet you. :D

:lol:

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 7:35pm

How competitive are you and your car in the league you run in? Sponsorship gets easier the more competitive you are.

BTW, I think you're due: :rep:

Hey thanks. :)

I still don't know yet. I just purchased my car last year. I got up to 7th in a race with about 30 people before spinning after touching a curb that I now know not to touch. :lol: I ended up finishing ~23 after spinning again later in the day. (The race was broken into 2 sessions. It was strange). That was on tires that I didn't like. My car has too much camber and only the outer half was actually making contact with the road. That race was at Lime Rock.

I ran the same tires again at WGI few weeks later and did pretty poorly. I had only been to Watkins Glen twice before so I was getting to know the track as well as the car. I finished near the back.

The next race had low attendance numbers. The runoffs were the previous weekend so it wasn't a points race. I bought different tires for this weekend at WGI and it was night/day difference. I didn't qualify due to engine trouble. I started in the back (21st). I ended up winning class and 4th overall. After dumping all the oil onto the exhaust and running the fuel tank dry, I was underweight and classified with a last in class finish. I wasn't mad. I was just trying to have fun and figured I'd finish in the back again. I proved to myself that I'm fast enough to win. There'll be more and I won't be underweight again.

I think it's more the car than me though. The car has won regional championships and set lap records with previous drivers. This is also my first year with my racing license so I guess only time will tell. :cheers:

Was that detailed enough yet vague enough to not answer your question? :rofl:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 7:41pm

Hey thanks. :)

I still don't know yet. I just purchased my car last year. I got up to 7th in a race with about 30 people before spinning after touching a curb that I now know not to touch. :lol: I ended up finishing ~23 after spinning again later in the day. (The race was broken into 2 sessions. It was strange). That was on tires that I didn't like. My car has too much camber and only the outer half was actually making contact with the road. That race was at Lime Rock.

I ran the same tires again at WGI few weeks later and did pretty poorly. I had only been to Watkins Glen twice before so I was getting to know the track as well as the car. I finished near the back.

The next race had low attendance numbers. The runoffs were the previous weekend so it wasn't a points race. I bought different tires for this weekend at WGI and it was night/day difference. I didn't qualify due to engine trouble. I started in the back (21st). I ended up winning class and 4th overall. After dumping all the oil onto the exhaust and running the fuel tank dry, I was underweight and classified with a last in class finish. I wasn't mad. I was just trying to have fun and figured I'd finish in the back again. I proved to myself that I'm fast enough to win. There'll be more and I won't be underweight again.

I think it's more the car than me though. The car has won regional championships and set lap records with previous drivers. This is also my first year with my racing license so I guess only time will tell. :cheers:

Was that detailed enough yet vague enough to not answer your question? :rofl:

Wait until your experience points refresh. You'll jump to over 22 million. :D

Are you still running your Mazda? I take it you're running wheel-to-wheel? SCCA or NASA?

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 7:45pm

Wait until your experience points refresh. You'll jump to over 22 million. :D

Are you still running your Mazda? I take it you're running wheel-to-wheel? SCCA or NASA?

:cheers:

Yup. The orange RX-7 with the SCCA. Tomorrow, I'm going to make an attempt to edit and post the in-car from the last race at Watkins Glen. There was some good wheel to wheel action once I got around the Neons and Golfs. :lol:

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 7:47pm

:cheers:

Yup. The orange RX-7 with the SCCA. Tomorrow, I'm going to make an attempt to edit and post the in-car from the last race at Watkins Glen. There was some good wheel to wheel action once I got around the Neons and Golfs. :lol:

What are the class structures for wheel-to-wheel in the SCCA? I'm only familiar with the SCCA autocross classes.

LATB

02-21-2011, 7:52pm

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 7:59pm

Mr. Dumbass here w/ a question???

you fellas that race your cars...are these cars insured? Does the insurance co. know you race the car they are insuring? does the lien holder (if one) know the car is raced?

I'm curious.

:leaving:

Car is registered as a recreational vehicle. (<7500 miles annually). Autocross is not typically excluded, as it's driver development, with no wheel-to-wheel driving. Car is insured because of the lien. Once that is satisfied, I will drastically restructure my coverage, as the car is never on the road with the exception of to and from events.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:14pm

What are the class structures for wheel-to-wheel in the SCCA? I'm only familiar with the SCCA autocross classes.

As far as what cars? Your corvette would probably be classed in GT-1 or Touring-1 (T-1). C4's are sometimes classed in American Sedan (AS).

My car is an improved touring car. I'm running in IT-S. We usually run with IT-B. IT-B is a lot of the slower cars, such as VW golfs, dodge neons, etc. Some of the IT-B cars run near the front with ITS cars. IT-A and IT-7 are the first gen rx-7s (and others) and they run together. IT-7 is a class that came about from the IT-A class. Then there's the IT-E class. I'm not sure how this class came about. It's a very fast class and will usually run with GT-1, GT-2, T-1, T-2.
To summarize the IT category, there is ITA, ITB, ITC, ITS, IT7, ITE.

There's also production classes (A-Prod, E-Prod) which are much more relaxed with rules. It's my opinion that they should be running alongside the IT-E class, but I don't know everything and I don't make the rules.

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 8:17pm

As far as what cars? Your corvette would probably be classed in GT-1 or Touring-1 (T-1). C4's are sometimes classed in American Sedan (AS).

My car is an improved touring car. I'm running in IT-S. We usually run with IT-B. IT-B is a lot of the slower cars, such as VW golfs, dodge neons, etc. Some of the IT-B cars run near the front with ITS cars. IT-A and IT-7 are the first gen rx-7s (and others) and they run together. IT-7 is a class that came about from the IT-A class. Then there's the IT-E class. I'm not sure how this class came about. It's a very fast class and will usually run with GT-1, GT-2, T-1, T-2.
To summarize the IT category, there is ITA, ITB, ITC, ITS, IT7, ITE.

There's also production classes (A-Prod, E-Prod) which are much more relaxed with rules. It's my opinion that they should be running alongside the IT-E class, but I don't know everything and I don't make the rules.

Damn, it took me a few years to understand the autocross classes. It'll take me that much longer to understand yours. Christ, it's the SCCA. Why can't they all be the same between disciplines? :kick:

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:18pm

Mr. Dumbass here w/ a question???

you fellas that race your cars...are these cars insured? Does the insurance co. know you race the car they are insuring? does the lien holder (if one) know the car is raced?

I'm curious.

Insured? I wish. Mine isn't even registered. I have the title from the last time the car was titled in 1998. It was purchased for $400. :lol:

I bought it outright. There's no loan. A rule of thumb everyone goes by is if you can't afford to replace the car in cash, then you shouldn't be racing. Otherwise, you have to be prepared to give up your hobby in an instant.

That being said, I've seen some race cars sell for as little as $3k.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:20pm

Damn, it took me a few years to understand the autocross classes. It'll take me that much longer to understand yours. Christ, it's the SCCA. Why can't they all be the same between disciplines? :kick:

It's the same learning curve. I get the wide-eyed confusion when I read the runoffs issues of Sportscar. :willy:

I don't know all the differences. I couldn't tell you the difference between an IT7 and an ITA rx-7

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:22pm

As I was typing the last post, a buddy sent me a link to some pictures he uploaded. These were from the Watkins Glen weekend in which I did very poorly.

As you can see, we were running with IT7 and ITA (Miata) that weekend. There were something like 75 cars on track that session. It was absolute INSANITY.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_mtZjKxlEwwU/TWMJJpWRwHI/AAAAAAAAetw/5cj8gqVyFPk/s800/IMG_7501-2.jpg

I've posted this one before, but this is the better version.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_mtZjKxlEwwU/TWMJEuxRwOI/AAAAAAAAetk/5_Di6bm-TPQ/s720/IMG_7840.jpg

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 8:24pm

As I was typing the last post, a buddy sent me a link to some pictures he uploaded. These were from the Watkins Glen weekend in which I did very poorly.

As you can see, we were running with IT7 and ITA (Miata) that weekend. There were something like 75 cars on track that session. It was absolute INSANITY.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_mtZjKxlEwwU/TWMJJpWRwHI/AAAAAAAAetw/5cj8gqVyFPk/s800/IMG_7501-2.jpg

I've posted this one before, but this is the better version.

75 cars is too many IMO.

Cool picture. Are you the orange or the red one? From other pictures you've posted, I'm guessing the red one, but I think you mentioned orange tonight.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:25pm

75 cars is too many IMO.

Cool picture. Are you the orange or the red one? From other pictures you've posted, I'm guessing the red one, but I think you mentioned orange tonight.

It was nuts. I didn't really enjoy it.

The one on the left. It looks red in these pictures but it is actually orange.

Nemesis

02-21-2011, 8:31pm

A buddy of mine just called and said he's itching to get out of the house so I'm going to go.

Good talkin to ya.

I'm curious to know about the auto-x classification system. They make me go :willy:

:seeya

Millenium Vette

02-21-2011, 8:32pm

:leaving:

Car is registered as a recreational vehicle. (<7500 miles annually). Autocross is not typically excluded, as it's driver development, with no wheel-to-wheel driving. Car is insured because of the lien. Once that is satisfied, I will drastically restructure my coverage, as the car is never on the road with the exception of to and from events.

Is liability covered by the car's policy or do you have to have separate coverage for autocross?

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 8:33pm

JRD77VET

02-21-2011, 8:59pm

As far as what cars? Your corvette would probably be classed in GT-1 or Touring-1 (T-1). C4's are sometimes classed in American Sedan (AS).

My car is an improved touring car. I'm running in IT-S. We usually run with IT-B. IT-B is a lot of the slower cars, such as VW golfs, dodge neons, etc. Some of the IT-B cars run near the front with ITS cars. IT-A and IT-7 are the first gen rx-7s (and others) and they run together. IT-7 is a class that came about from the IT-A class. Then there's the IT-E class. I'm not sure how this class came about. It's a very fast class and will usually run with GT-1, GT-2, T-1, T-2.
To summarize the IT category, there is ITA, ITB, ITC, ITS, IT7, ITE.

There's also production classes (A-Prod, E-Prod) which are much more relaxed with rules. It's my opinion that they should be running alongside the IT-E class, but I don't know everything and I don't make the rules.

Actually Craig's Z06 would be in Super Touring. His "regular" C-6 would be T1 and the GT class cars are tube framed.

Datawiz

02-21-2011, 9:04pm

Actually Craig's Z06 would be in Super Touring. His "regular" C-6 would be T1 and the GT class cars are tube framed.

I want to at least attempt an HPDE this year. I have road course experience at Spring Mountain. I bet I'd be pretty good with the autocross setup and slicks. :yesnod:

JRD77VET

02-21-2011, 9:07pm

I want to at least attempt an HPDE this year. I have road course experience at Spring Mountain. I bet I'd be pretty good with the autocross setup and slicks. :yesnod:

You'll be able to do that with your car. :thumbs:

To race in those SCCA classes, you'll need an approved rollcage plus thousands of dollars in upgrades. It would be must cheaper to purchase a race car that somebody else built ( I highly suggest a Phoenix built car )

Nemesis

02-22-2011, 2:21am

Actually Craig's Z06 would be in Super Touring. His "regular" C-6 would be T1 and the GT class cars are tube framed.

http://www.martingordon.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/the_more_you_know.jpg

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I learned something.

ptindall

02-22-2011, 8:50am

Mr. Dumbass here w/ a question???

you fellas that race your cars...are these cars insured? Does the insurance co. know you race the car they are insuring? does the lien holder (if one) know the car is raced?

I'm curious.

I have read that some insurance companies will drop you just for asking if your raced car is covered. I have followed the don't ask, don't tell policy. But right now I owe less than $2000 on my car so it doesn't really matter. It's worth more than that even wadded up.

Millenium Vette

02-22-2011, 10:20am

I have read that some insurance companies will drop you just for asking if your raced car is covered. I have followed the don't ask, don't tell policy. But right now I owe less than $2000 on my car so it doesn't really matter. It's worth more than that even wadded up.

The thing that would concern me way more than collision insurance is whether you are covered for liability. The loss of a car, even a brand new ZR-1 is finite, where if you kill or maim someone it can run into the six or seven figures real quick...

ptindall

02-22-2011, 10:28am

The thing that would concern me way more than collision insurance is whether you are covered for liability. The loss of a car, even a brand new ZR-1 is finite, where if you kill or maim someone it can run into the six or seven figures real quick...

Everyone signs off on liability every time you attend an event. You'd have to actually read what you are signing to know how that would play out. I've never read it, but I think the jist is you are not liable for damage caused in an accident. I ram into some guy in his Veyron on accident and break his neck, I think he's out of luck on his car and his medical bills. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mark C5

02-22-2011, 10:33am

ptindall

02-22-2011, 10:39am

It really doesn't matter what waivers are signed. People sue without cause all the time. If you are sued it's going to cost you money, sometimes a lot of money.

Yes, anybody can sue anybody for anything. Just because they can sue doesn't mean you are liable and will have to pay damages. So yes, it does matter what waivers are signed.

Millenium Vette

02-22-2011, 10:40am

Everyone signs off on liability every time you attend an event. You'd have to actually read what you are signing to know how that would play out. I've never read it, but I think the jist is you are not liable for damage caused in an accident. I ram into some guy in his Veyron on accident and break his neck, I think he's out of luck on his car and his medical bills. Somebody please correct me if I'm wroncg.

When you say everyone, does that mean every person that is at the event and not just participants? What about the track's property? One thing to keep in mind, it is impossible to sign away all liability. Just because somebody signs a waiver doesn't mean they can't file a lawsuit against you. It could be dismissed because of the waiver, but you would still have to hire an attorney to represent you to get it thrown out and no decent attorney will likely even look at representing you without a $5,000-10,000 retainer to start.

I am not asking these questions to whiz in anybody's Wheaties, I would like to eventually compete in some events and would like to know the best way to cover your ass against possible problems. :cheers:

Millenium Vette

02-22-2011, 10:44am

It really doesn't matter what waivers are signed. People sue without cause all the time. If you are sued it's going to cost you money, sometimes a lot of money.

:iagree:

Sometimes they win too... There are plenty of shitty attorneys out there who will take your money and not do a good job and lose your case because of it.

NEVRL8T

02-22-2011, 10:49am

Yes, I run hard. I don't wish to fight for 2nd place in any aspect of my life.

Words to live by, my friend. That's inspirational.

oyealiz

02-22-2011, 10:56am

khblair

02-22-2011, 10:59am

Everyone signs the waiver, participants and anyone else attending.

:yesnod:

ptindall

02-22-2011, 11:05am

When you say everyone, does that mean every person that is at the event and not just participants? What about the track's property? One thing to keep in mind, it is impossible to sign away all liability. Just because somebody signs a waiver doesn't mean they can't file a lawsuit against you. It could be dismissed because of the waiver, but you would still have to hire an attorney to represent you to get it thrown out and no decent attorney will likely even look at representing you without a $5,000-10,000 retainer to start.

I am not asking these questions to whiz in anybody's Wheaties, I would like to eventually compete in some events and would like to know the best way to cover your ass against possible problems. :cheers:

Yes, everyone signes the waiver. As for track property, I've wondered that myself. A guy I knew and chatted with who use to track a Supra posted a youtube video of himself taking out a chain link fence at Firebird raceway. I posted a question asking if they made him pay for the damage to the fence. I got no response. Maybe the tracks cover these that type of damage with their own insurance? I really don't know.

Datawiz

02-22-2011, 11:07am

Yes, everyone signes the waiver. As for track property, I've wondered that myself. A guy I knew and chatted with who use to track a Supra posted a youtube video of himself taking out a chain link fence at Firebird raceway. I posted a question asking if they made him pay for the damage to the fence. I got no response. Maybe the tracks cover these that type of damage with their own insurance? I really don't know.

I've heard of people having to pay for damage to track property.

ptindall

02-22-2011, 11:18am

One thing to keep in mind, it is impossible to sign away all liability.

Of course it would make sense to be responsible for blantant disregard of the rules, intentional acts of distruction and such, but seeing as we are talking about our own liability for damage, I'm assuming we are talking about accidents. Things that might happen outside of our intensional control.