I've been informed that a job offer is being extended to me

[Ruffy]

Backstory: I tendered resignation to my employer on April 10th and my last day was May 1st. I had been looking for work since last August. Biosecurity rules (poultry farm) and workload made interviewing nearly impossible. I decided to leave and concentrate on finding another job and fixing up my house to put on the market.

Job Offer: While I was working out my last weeks, I interviewed with a local company. I had a 2nd interview this week which was basically 2 months later. I was told by the headhunter that they are in the process of putting an offer together and it will be extended to me by Monday. It would be a move from manager to director for me.

Skepticism:The company is a small food manufacturer with about 100 employees. It was purchased by a private equity firm in 2008 and none of the executives have been there more than two years. They say all the right things about wanting to improve. The problem is that I have worked for small companies like this before and being the "champion of change" can burn you out pretty damn quick. Saying you want to improve is one thing but when you realize what that requires, the story tends to change. Also, if I took the job, I'd have to stay in Central Iowa which is an area I am not overly enthusiastic about.

So that's what I've been up to :leaving:

[Stangkiller]

:hurray::hurray: Congrats!

I'm in nearly the same boat, I should have a written offer by this afternoon or Monday....preliminary start date is already set...I've been out of work since January.

[Ruffy]

:hurray: I'm sure once you start it will be like you never stopped.


I am stressed because my next job has to be one that is "right" for me. I need to find a company I can stay with for more than a couple years before getting fed up. Its probably the biggest decision I will have made in my life to this point.

[Mike Mercury]

I have worked for small companies like this before and being the "champion of change" can burn you out pretty damn quick

so... you get 2-5 more years of a steady paycheck. If you're going to wait until a long-term perfect opportunity comes your way....






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[73sbVert]

Good luck to you!

I've been told on more than one occasion, that although you want to improve all the things that are wrong, just focus on one thing that will make a decent dent in the overall problem, then the next then the next.

Taking on too much problem WILL burn you out. Make a Pareto about the main function of what is failing, then maybe even a sub-Pareto for the worst thing or two, then start chugging away at that.

:D

[Mike Mercury]

never ever agree to be on salary. It's guarenteed to end up being 50-60 hrs/week.

hourly; or walk.

[Mirroredshades]

Skepticism:none of the executives have been there more than two years. They say all the right things about wanting to improve. The problem is that I have worked for small companies like this before and being the "champion of change" can burn you out pretty damn quick. Saying you want to improve is one thing but when you realize what that requires, the story tends to change. :leaving:

BTDT. I feel ya brother. Sounds like you know what you are facing so at least you won't get smacked up side the head with surprise. Negotiate strong, take the job and keep your resume sharp for a better opportunity.

:seasix:

[Stangkiller]

never ever agree to be on salary. It's guarenteed to end up being 50-60 hrs/week.

hourly; or walk.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Hourly?! What's that?! I haven't seen that since highschool :banghead: Overtime?! HAHAHAHAHAHA I used to get time and a half at the restaurant...I might have seen 5 bucks an hour :rofl::rofl:

[Ruffy]

:iagree:

[Mirroredshades]

:hurray: I'm sure once you start it will be like you never stopped.


I am stressed because my next job has to be one that is "right" for me. I need to find a company I can stay with for more than a couple years before getting fed up.

I wouldn't hold out for that. Company loyalty is dead. Make your money and get out.

so... you get 2-5 more years of a steady paycheck. If you're going to wait until a long-term perfect opportunity comes your way....
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This

:thumbs:

[mrvette]

It sure don't FEEL like it, but I suppose I grew older in a golden age for middle class growth.....longest I ever outta work was maybe 2 weeks, back when electronics was king, before the foreign invasion.....and the behest of computers making MSFT king via the Fed.gov and IBM....

then construction....house remodeling....was GREAT for me for many a year.....

:seasix:

[MrPeabody]

:hurray: I'm sure once you start it will be like you never stopped.


I am stressed because my next job has to be one that is "right" for me. I need to find a company I can stay with for more than a couple years before getting fed up. Its probably the biggest decision I will have made in my life to this point.

I spent my whole working life looking for that company. It doesn't exist. The reason it doesn't exist, I surmised, may have been me.:yesnod:

Sounds to me like this new job will entail kicking asses and firing lots of people. If that's not something you are comfortable with, you may want to keep looking. Depending on how badly you need a job, of course. Back in my younger days the code word for this in the classifieds was a "take charge individual". I've worked at small businesses (printing companies, car dealerships) where I've seen this happen. I've literally seen half the crew fired by the new foreman/manager on their first day, and I guess most of them had it coming. But after it was done, it was impossible for that guy to be an effective manager because he was so hated. Those types usually aren't there very long. I think they were brought in to kick ass, then they themselves were kicked to the curb shortly after.

Actually I hope I'm wrong and your new job works out well for you. Just my two cents and some food for thought. Best of luck to you.:seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Hourly?! What's that?! I haven't seen that since highschool :banghead: Overtime?! HAHAHAHAHAHA I used to get time and a half at the restaurant...I might have seen 5 bucks an hour :rofl::rofl:

I worked a salary job once; never again. All the company did was take advantage of everyone.

I have seen salary positions that state 40 hrs; and anything over that is given back in leave/vacation days. You hafta get this in writing during the interview/offer part of the negotiations. It will never change once you start.

[JMC12]

Sounds to me they need someone that knows the ropes, none of them have more than two years is saying something..

[mrvette]

I spent my whole working life looking for that company. It doesn't exist. The reason it doesn't exist, I surmised, may have been me.:yesnod:

Sounds to me like this new job will entail kicking asses and firing lots of people. If that's not something you are comfortable with, you may want to keep looking. Depending on how badly you need a job, of course. Back in my younger days the code word for this in the classifieds was a "take charge individual". I've worked at small businesses (printing companies, car dealerships) where I've seen this happen. I've literally seen half the crew fired by the new foreman/manager on their first day, and I guess most of them had it coming. But after it was done, it was impossible for that guy to be an effective manager because he was so hated. Those types usually aren't there very long. I think they were brought in to kick ass, then they themselves were kicked to the curb shortly after.

Actually I hope I'm wrong and your new job works out well for you. Just my two cents and some food for thought. Best of luck to you.:seasix:

HOW INTERESTING, My old vette club in the DC region had a sponsoring dealership, we really had it nice there.... 3rd Tuesday every month, shop night, parts open discounts, techs on hand for newer cars, vette show once a year, in the sales room/shop/lanes/body shop....HUGE attendance.....the dealership sold a ton of cars due to the draw, not just vettes either.....

but sure enough the Father retired, and turned it over to his son, and some crooks invaded the joint or the managers saw an opportunity WE in the club never knew about, juggling the books and ripping off the owners......

THEN came a gal to a service writer position, NICE looking gal, who dressed a LOT finer than you would expect for a service writer position.....no dungarees on this chick.....not while I met her anyway.....name of ALICE ESTES......turns out Grand daughter of PETE ESTES former Pres of GM.....her Father was GM rep to the FEDS.....She asked me to keep it quiet, but when I spotted the name on the door, the last name was a connection, and her service writer's office was buried ankle deep in files/paperwork, while the rest of the service writers offices were NOT......The gal knew as much as any of the mechanics about troubles seen in the shop....overheard a conversation between her an one of the guys once....kid was impressive....how a kid in a classy B suit, could talk tech with most mechanics on their level.....

This went on for a few months, then one time the club showed up....and ALL the managers were gone, Sales, Service, Parts, you name it, some levels down in fact.....everyone new was nice to the CLUB, but it was very obvious something happened......

Turns out Alice had a company that trouble shot dealerships that needed help and were in $$$ trouble, not figgering out WHY!!!

This tale goes back about 22 years now.....so today the story would change, but surely the tale is the same......SO my answer was that what she asked me to shut up about....just WHO she was.....

She even snickered about her running around her Grandfather's office as a little one, before her Dad was Xferred to DC in his new job.....


:rofl::seasix:

[C5SilverBullet]

:hurray::hurray: Congrats!

I'm in nearly the same boat, I should have a written offer by this afternoon or Monday....preliminary start date is already set...I've been out of work since January.

Downtown?

[Stangkiller]

Downtown?

:yesnod: Not sure what i'm doing about my truck situation, the garage says 7' clearance so the truck will fit height wise, not sure i'll enjoy driving a 22' long truck to the 7th floor of the parking garage though. Other options include taking the train to work and playing on my ipad for an hour each way...but we'll see It's next door to my wifes building, so i'm sure we'll be carpooling when possible.

[C5SilverBullet]

Let me know, I'm like 2 miles away.

[Aerovette]

:hurray::hurray: Congrats!

I'm in nearly the same boat, I should have a written offer by this afternoon or Monday....preliminary start date is already set...I've been out of work since January.

Awesome news !!! Good for you man. :seasix:

I got a couple "thanks but no thanks" emails, so I got that going for me. :lol:

[Stangkiller]

Awesome news !!! Good for you man. :seasix:

I got a couple "thanks but no thanks" emails, so I got that going for me. :lol:

I've gotten 5 of those in one day :slap: it doesn't make for a fun afternoon. Keep your chin up, you'll find the right gig! What's crazy is I've got 2 other companies seeking next steps with me, both of which I've more or less put on hold pending this working out :yesnod:

It's now in writing :hurray:

[Aerovette]

Skepticism:The company is a small food manufacturer with about 100 employees. It was purchased by a private equity firm in 2008 and none of the executives have been there more than two years. They say all the right things about wanting to improve. The problem is that I have worked for small companies like this before and being the "champion of change" can burn you out pretty damn quick. Saying you want to improve is one thing but when you realize what that requires, the story tends to change. Also, if I took the job, I'd have to stay in Central Iowa which is an area I am not overly enthusiastic about.

So that's what I've been up to :leaving:

I have been there. Every single change I tried to implement was ultimately vetoed by the VP (he worked off site) until the entire company ended up going out of business. I am not saying I could have saved them necessarily but I am 100% certain I could have reduced costs and increased productivity. The things I did secretly all worked.

Hopefully you will do well. Good luck...knock'em dead !

[...Whitepower...]

Good luck.

I'll say congrats when the offer hits your inbox.

[VITE1]

Good luck. No job is ever perfect. Maybe this one you can make better . If not then you can move on.

[VatorMan]

IF you want what you want, let them know up front. Interviews are for the needy. IF you are negotiating from a point of power, use it. Make sure you can create an environment that you can live with. If it meets with company goals, they should have no issue with it.