The SHOCKING truth about electric cars...

[Fasglas]

Another Obamafail. Not nearly the panacea we were led to believe. Not even close.

Record Numbers Of Drivers Trading In Electric Cars For SUVs | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/21/record-numbers-of-drivers-trading-in-electric-cars-for-suvs/)

Record Numbers Of Drivers Trading In Electric Cars For SUVs

Michael Bastasch
3:01 PM 04/21/2015

President Barack Obama promised to put a million more hybrid and electric cars on the road during his tenure, but new research shows drivers are trading them in to buy sports utility vehicles (SUVs).

The auto-research group Edmunds.com found that “22 percent of people who have traded in their hybrids and [electric vehicles] in 2015 bought a new SUV.”

This number is higher than the 18.8 percent that did the same last year, but it’s double the number that traded in their electric car for an SUV just three years ago. Edmunds.com reports that only “45 percent of this year’s hybrid and EV trade-ins have gone toward the purchase of another alternative fuel vehicle, down from just over 60 percent in 2012.”

“Never before have loyalty rates for alt-fuel vehicles fallen below 50 percent,” Edmunds notes.



In recent years, celebrities and politicians have been hyping electric car companies, like Teslas, as a hip way to help the environment and save money on gasoline. The Obama administration and some states even hand out generous tax credits to encourage people to buy EVs.

Buying an electric car can get you a $7,500 federal tax credit. It’s all part of Obama’s plan to get a million electric cars on the road by 2015. But electric cars were much more attractive when gas prices were high and customers could more easily rationalize paying more for an electric car. So far, Obama is still more than 800,000 electric cars short of meeting his 2015 goal.

“That’s the reality of the situation,” Jessica Caldwell, senior analyst at Edmunds.com, told Detroit News. “They have to push them out at those levels for people to be interested. It really seems like the cachet of EVs and hybrids has faded away.”

“EVs are just not selling; even hybrids and plug-ins are slow,” Caldwell said. “There’s some concern.”

Why are electric car sales faltering? One reason is that gas prices are far lower than they were in 2012. Edmunds notes that when gas prices were $4.67 per gallon in October 2012 it would take five5 years to make up the price difference between “a Toyota Camry LE Hybrid ($28,230) and a Toyota Camry LE ($24,460).”

With gas prices now at about $2.27 per gallon, Edmunds.com says it would take more than twice as long to save enough on gas to make up the price difference between a Camry LE and a Camry Hybrid.

Electric cars are also facing increased competition from more fuel-efficient vehicles. Aside from market forces, federal fuel efficiency standards have been forcing automakers to increase the miles per gallon of engines.

Electric cars also suffer from issues with battery life. Each hybrid or electric car battery can cost thousands, or even tens of thousands, of dollars, which only helps tip the economic scale in favor of traditional vehicles.

“It wouldn’t make sense to replace a 12-year old battery with a new battery that’s going to last 12 years, because chances are the car’s not going to last that long,” Eric Ibara with Kelley Blue Book told Detroit News.

[VITE1]

Once the battery technology is created that allows longer distances and very fast recharging it may be a viable technology.

Then we have to spend trillions to update the grid to support the increased demand. And that not going to happen in any foreseeable future.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Record Numbers Of Drivers Trading In Electric Cars For Trucks

:funnier::funnier::funnier::funnier::funnier:

[lspencer534]

Why can't people (and Government) see the obvious flaw in logic about EVs?
Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, it can only change form, for instance chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. That's why there can't be a perpetual motion machine.

To simplify, creating electric energy isn't free. Other sources of energy--natural gas, coal, etc.) are consumed to create electricity. That eliminates the "clean" energy argument for electricity right there. An someone else already pointed out, if EVs prove to be popular there'll have to be a massive (and very expensive) upgrade of the grid. Where are the savings to anyone, either in "clean" or efficiency?

[VatorMan]

Once the battery technology is created that allows longer distances and very fast recharging it may be a viable technology.

Then we have to spend trillions to update the grid to support the increased demand. And that not going to happen in any foreseeable future.

Just wait-when they get superconductor technology as a viable option-THAT will be a game changer.

[LATB]

I'd love an electric truck. just because I don't like pumping gas and would like to plug-in each evening like a DeWalt. :seasix:

[DAB]

Why can't people (and Government) see the obvious flaw in logic about EVs?
Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, it can only change form, for instance chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. That's why there can't be a perpetual motion machine.

To simplify, creating electric energy isn't free. Other sources of energy--natural gas, coal, etc.) are consumed to create electricity. That eliminates the "clean" energy argument for electricity right there. An someone else already pointed out, if EVs prove to be popular there'll have to be a massive (and very expensive) upgrade of the grid. Where are the savings to anyone, either in "clean" or efficiency?

so now you are an engineer? :issues:

[lspencer534]

Just remember this about EVs: They can be cheap, have a long range, or fast. Choose any two.

[Bill]

Why can't people (and Government) see the obvious flaw in logic about EVs?
Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, it can only change form, for instance chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. That's why there can't be a perpetual motion machine.

To simplify, creating electric energy isn't free. Other sources of energy--natural gas, coal, etc.) are consumed to create electricity. That eliminates the "clean" energy argument for electricity right there. An someone else already pointed out, if EVs prove to be popular there'll have to be a massive (and very expensive) upgrade of the grid. Where are the savings to anyone, either in "clean" or efficiency?

I plan on putting up a windmill on the top of my EV, that way, the battery recharges every time I drive the car.

:bill_daniels:

[DAB]

I plan on putting up a windmill on the top of my EV, that way, the battery recharges every time I drive the car.

:bill_daniels:

too complicated.

add a trailing wheel, as it turns, it will spin a generator in the hub that will recharge the battery. you have 4 driving the car, and only one dragging/charging, so you will be able to make forward progress....no charge for this awesome idea.... kind of like continuous regenerative braking.

[VatorMan]

too complicated.

add a trailing wheel, as it turns, it will spin a generator in the hub that will recharge the battery. you have 4 driving the car, and only one dragging/charging, so you will be able to make forward progress....no charge for this awesome idea.... kind of like continuous regenerative braking.

Put it in front and it won't drag ! :hurray:

[DAB]

Put it in front and it won't drag ! :hurray:

see Spence, this is how real engineering is done. innovate, collaborate, when it goes wrong, blame the other guy.... :leaving:

[DAB]

Put it in front and it won't drag ! :hurray:

two models: pusher and a puller!!

[Bill]

two models: pusher and a puller!!

Probably want to use the front wheel version for RVs......so they can have an electric pusher power plant. This is why you need the guys in marketing to help design the product.

[DAB]

marketing :issues: engineering

[lspencer534]

marketing :issues: engineering

What about stylists vs. engineers? "You'll just have to make the engine fit under the hood."

[DAB]

What about stylists vs. engineers? "You'll just have to make the engine fit under the hood."

they are just junior marketing weenies who know their colors :fruit: and can say "mauve" without snickering. :slap:

[Sea Six]

two models: pusher and a puller!!

Yeah, but what about when you're backing up?

You'd have to get out and swap 'em. :kick:

[Bill]

Yeah, but what about when you're backing up?

You'd have to get out and swap 'em. :kick:

When you back up, the generator runs backwards and you actually deplete the battery. Solution: never back up.

Circular driveways are recommended for EV owners.

[DAB]

Yeah, but what about when you're backing up?

You'd have to get out and swap 'em. :kick:

ah...the Mark 3: has both a pusher and a puller that can be retracted and disengaged as needs dictate. an excellent choice sir. of course, this option is priced at a premium over our standard pusher model.

we are working on a universal model, where the driver's seat can rotate, and with 4 wheel drive and steering, there is no more reverse. rather like the controls in a front end loader/back hoe.

[Sea Six]

When you back up, the generator runs backwards and you actually deplete the battery. Solution: never back up.

Circular driveways are recommended for EV owners.

Counter-Clockwise only.

So the driver can look over the side.

[DAB]

When you back up, the generator runs backwards and you actually deplete the battery. Solution: never back up.

Circular driveways are recommended for EV owners.

no, no, no....good engineering does not constrain the end user/victim. it allows him/her to do really dumb things and use the phrase 'hey y'all, watch this'.

back to drafting for you!

[Sea Six]

A bit off-topic, since this really could go in any car, but I'd like the seats to have a built-in fart vacuumer/dispenser to safely draw odors out of the car.

[Ryan Bell]

For commuting, let me know when electric cars have a 700+ mile range for less than $35k. That's what I'm accustomed to right now.

[69camfrk]

Once the battery technology is created that allows longer distances and very fast recharging it may be a viable technology.

Then we have to spend trillions to update the grid to support the increased demand. And that not going to happen in any foreseeable future.

With that said, how is most electricity generated.....oh, that would be coal. How does coal get to the power plant, oh, diesel powered train. And, the .gov is doing all it can to kill reasonable priced energy to the point we all live in a cave. Plus the batteries in those pieces of crap is like the automotive equivalent to plutonium when they go dead. It was a loser from the start and will remain that way in our lifetime.

[VITE1]

This is how we solve all pollution

http://humerusonline.com/humerusblog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/UnicornFarts001.jpg

[DukeAllen]

A bit off-topic, since this really could go in any car, but I'd like the seats to have a built-in fart vacuumer/dispenser to safely draw odors out of the car.

You can swap those out of the methane powered cars.

[Wathen1955]

When they come out with this, I will be interested...

http://www.pedlarsforum.com/forums/images/ians_images/mr_fusion.jpg

[NeedSpeed]

I plan on putting up a windmill on the top of my EV, that way, the battery recharges every time I drive the car.

:bill_daniels:

Can't we just wire up a set of spinner rims? :dance:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/059/375/spinners.gif?1318992465

[Fasglas]

Just add a generous amount of HOPE & CHANGE.

All will be well.

If not, blame Bush!

:rofl:

[boracayjohnny]

Why can't people (and Government) see the obvious flaw in logic about EVs?
Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, it can only change form, for instance chemical energy can be converted to kinetic energy in the explosion of a stick of dynamite. That's why there can't be a perpetual motion machine.

To simplify, creating electric energy isn't free. Other sources of energy--natural gas, coal, etc.) are consumed to create electricity. That eliminates the "clean" energy argument for electricity right there. An someone else already pointed out, if EVs prove to be popular there'll have to be a massive (and very expensive) upgrade of the grid. Where are the savings to anyone, either in "clean" or efficiency?

I'll have you know, the :cool: factor of being an electric vehicle owner is great. Also, one can look down the nose at those 'pub douchebags while saving the environment. It has to be true, the progressive folks that tell me what to think and do are always right.

[Loco Vette]

And how long before Tesla needs a bailout?

Tesla lost $154 Million in Q1 2015 (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/06/tesla-lost-154-million-in-2015-q1-earnings-call/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl22%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-285187882)

[Dave]

And how long before Tesla needs a bailout?

Tesla lost $154 Million in Q1 2015 (http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/06/tesla-lost-154-million-in-2015-q1-earnings-call/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl22%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-285187882)

Won't be long since their primary business is selling emission tax credits and not cars.