Hellcat vs C7Z

[RED-85-Z51]

Well...it layed waste to the stingray....so now it goes up against the top of the heap. Vthe outcome was as expected.
hellcat vs c7z (http://speedsociety.com/2015-dodge-hellcat-annihilates-2015-c7-z06-chevrolet-corvette/)

[Kerrmudgeon]

Find a couple of twisties. :p

[RED-85-Z51]

Find a couple of twisties. :p

Dodge has it in acceleration...it doesnt matter hos many twisties you throw it, the HellCat will catch it...

[carlton_fritz]

Fat pig.

[CertInsaneC5]

Dodge has it in acceleration...it doesnt matter hos many twisties you throw it, the HellCat will catch it...

Bullshit. Put them on a standing mile. The hellcat is a flying brick. The vette would catch up at the upper speeds. Those 3-4 seconds pulls don't prove chit. 2 car lengths tops? Then the vette backed off.

[Datawiz]

I'm sorry, but I can't accept that as gospel from 1 video. The HP differential between the two vehicles is insignificant (57 hp). The weight difference between the two is extremely significant. Aerodynamics of the Hellcat are also not in its favor.

Driver ability is certainly a major variable, but either the Hellcat is underrated in hp (possible), the driver of the Z06 sucks (also possible), but the ability of a car with minimal HP advantage to pull away from a car weighing 700 pounds less makes no sense. I guess I'll wait for the official results from the car rags to form my opinion.

WEIGHT is a big big deal in the performance wars, and I'm still pissed as shit that the new Z06 is over 3,500 pounds. :slap:

[RED-85-Z51]

Bullshit. Put them on a standing mile. The hellcat is a flying brick. The vette would catch up at the upper speeds. Those 3-4 seconds pulls don't prove chit. 2 car lengths tops? Then the vette backed off.

Read it on cf...the guy in the vette didnt want to go from a dig due to traction issues...haha

Both cars are extremely fast....the dodge is heavy, yet it always seems to dominate in heads up races....maybe the vette drivers are n00bs...or old...possibly obese?

[lspencer534]

I'm sorry, but I can't accept that as gospel from 1 video. The HP differential between the two vehicles is insignificant (57 hp). The weight difference between the two is extremely significant. Aerodynamics of the Hellcat are also not in its favor.

Driver ability is certainly a major variable, but either the Hellcat is underrated in hp (possible), the driver of the Z06 sucks (also possible), but the ability of a car with minimal HP advantage to pull away from a car weighing 700 pounds less makes no sense. I guess I'll wait for the official results from the car rags to form my opinion.

WEIGHT is a big big deal in the performance wars, and I'm still pissed as shit that the new Z06 is over 3,500 pounds. :slap:

That is a huge concern to me as well. My Jaguar XK is only 3700 pounds and slimming down. It's ludicrous that a performance car, such as the Corvette, should weigh nearly that much.

[American Made]

:lol: Dodge is doing well. Haterade is in full effect. Awesome. Both cars are obviously completely different markets. Z06 for the Stig types and Hellcat for the straight line drag types. Both need to be. Cheers to America! F yeah Together again to save the Mutha ****in day yeah! :rofl:

[VatorMan]

Hate to tell you, had a couple of my racing buddies that are BSR instructors at Summit Point working with Dodge and the media on the track with the Hellcat. They said the car was amazing. Especially the transmission and acceleration. The car was very stable on the track in the corners. The weak point were the brakes which stand to reason having to haul all that weight down.
The C7 Z06 aero isn't really setup for straight line speeds. The rear spoiler is taller than my Z51 and mine is tall ! The Z06 WILL beat the Hellcat all day long on the track- just not as bad as you'd think- and it would probably take you a few laps to do it.

[Mike Mercury]

Bullshit. Put them on a standing mile. The hellcat is a flying brick. The vette would catch up at the upper speeds. Those 3-4 seconds pulls don't prove chit. 2 car lengths tops? Then the vette backed off.

It is not anything to make a benchmark from; that test is as reliable as a CNN newscast. As accurate as a NBC playback of a 911 call.

[Datawiz]

That is a huge concern to me as well. My Jaguar XK is only 3700 pounds and slimming down. It's ludicrous that a performance car, such as the Corvette, should weigh nearly that much.

My Z06 ("stock") is 3,110#'s in race trim. :yesnod: 3,500 is bullshit.

[VatorMan]

Here's what my friends had to say :


My take away: It weighs 4560 lbs. and. you. don't. care. !!

This a real hot rod. The acceleration always had me and my journalist drivers laughing out loud it was so unreal. When the computer is set in Track mode, the shifts are hard and the computer does all of the up and down shifting for you. with rev matching. Put it in Drive and just drive. You don't event think about it after a few laps. Always in the right gear, always.

The breaks are very good. We had some rain on Wed and after the line was somewhat dry, we would get the car pointed straight and stand on the gas going down the main straight. The traction control system took over and never put the car sideways. It clunked and made loud noises, but the car never let on that it was saving you from a wild sideways ride. Amazing.

They were completely drivable in the dry and in the rain. Predicable, accurate turn in, firm braking, etc.

AND . . the ACCLLERATION was awesome, still puling at 145+ on the main straight. Before the 5 marker. No drama.

It should be called Dodge-zilla!!

​Now... you can see that I feel like Linus and the Great Pumpkin. It is real, I saw them, I drove them and they are not that bad looing. !!

. . . . ​ And no one is going to believe me.​

Folks,

You are going to see a lot of these Hellcat cars at HPDE & Seat Time events next year and thereafter. These cars deliver a lot of performance for the dollar, so consumers are going to line up buying them. With back seats and the option of having 4 doors, this will provide a "rational" family option for drivers who were excluded from going to track events because they had to choose a ride based on the needs of the family 1st.

Yes, instructors will be worried about their personal safety when dealing with an unknown driver. Yes, the Miata drivers will be in the classroons saying "you need to lift" so I can get by. Moreover, when the occasional mishap occurs it likely could be bigger than normal, but there will be terrified "deer in the headlights" novice drivers wondering what just happened! There is now an opportunity for Hellcat drivers to break the record of the Viper guys, for who can 4 OFF the most in one day with Senior Instructor "Cool Headed" Andrej, in the right seat! But, that is a story for another thread.

David has shared observations based on a blend of being in the car with good journalist
drivers, BAD journalist drivers and his own experiences behind the wheel. Let me tell you right now, at best only 10 to 15% of the automotive journalist encountered actually know how to drive a car at speed !! Duties like these, are much more challenging than working with a new novice driver at an HPDE event !

As for the cars, they can be driven FAST, the can be slowed with pression for corner entry and they can be predictably made to rotate. Much like a GTR, these cars will demand skill from a driver to be made to dance well. They will consume LOTS of fuel, lots of brake components and let us not leave tires off the list of items that will be devoured by these brutes! In fact according to the SRT Chief Engineer, at red line the car will consume a full tank of fuel in 12 minutes and can cord a new set of $1200 rear tires in less than 90 seconds ! The later fact, I witnessed in person. Make no mistake, people will want these cars, they are impressive performance packages and they are coming to a track near you !!

The Captain

[ApexOversteer]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb164/ApexOversteer/Funnystuff/snot_rod_1.gif

[Kerrmudgeon]

In fact according to the SRT Chief Engineer, at red line the car will consume a full tank of fuel in 12 minutes and can cord a new set of $1200 rear tires in less than 90 seconds !

YIKES!....:willy::ack:

[RED-85-Z51]

Hellcat didnt seem to be having trouble hooking up and scootin...but the Z06 driver said he "Couldnt hook up and kept getting sideways"...."and lifted shortly after starting each pull"...

Uhh...doesnt the hellcat catch shit for having skinny tires that "are useless" with that kind of power?

I find it hilarious that CF is pissing and moaning about this video, doing everythng they can to make excuses...not one, not a single one will scrote up and just say it.."Its fuc*in fast as shit, and takes off like a rocket, the brakes hold up, and the electronics keep it happy in the corners, its more affordable, more utilitarian, and its not exactly ugly"

[RED-85-Z51]

I mean look at this...look at the seat bolsters...I wanna drive one, I wanna push it, I want it to rip my face clean off my head.

http://www.drivesrt.com/assets/images/2015/challenger/6.2/interior/grid/interior-top-left.jpg.pagespeed.ce.KBdpbwby1E.jpg

Dodge didnt set out to make them ost aerodynamic car, or the lightest car, or the best balanced car...They took a solid platform, refined it to the next level, dropped in the baddest engine to every roll off an American Assembly line, packed it full of comforts, and technology...and sell it at a fair price.

A shit ton of power in a brick..is still a shit ton of power.

Yes, they could have probably gutted the interior, back seat...used fiberglass panels, had wider tires, bigger wheels, huge brakes, titanium frame, carbon fiber everything....and had a car that could have kicked all ass in the toughest market...super cars. But...it would have then cost 120K+, and thats not the market Dodge was after, it was intended for the power enthusiast that wants all that power, in a vehicle that can hold up to daily driving, hold 4 people, some luggage in the trunk, still have some room ot work on the engine if needed...and not have the annoying traits of 13" wide tires...

It works, it just happened that it dropped when GM was coming out with the latest vette, people associate vettes with being the best bang for your buck in the sports car market...for years its been..all those other cars...and then the vette which might be less impressive, but for 1/3 the money. But now, the base vette gets embarrassed by a slightly more expensive hellcat, and the top of the line Z06...hasnt beat it yet in a filmed heads up race. For less money...

[RedLS1GTO]

"Its fuc*in fast as shit, and takes off like a rocket, the brakes hold up, and the electronics keep it happy in the corners, its more affordable, more utilitarian, and its not exactly ugly"

All of that is true (except the brakes part). Even the article above said it "devoured" brakes. I certainly wouldn't mind having 1. I have never put them down. Not at all. There is no hate whatsoever from my end. Dodge made a hell of a car.


With that said, comparing it to the Z06 is stupid. They are 2 completely different cars with 2 completely different purposes.

[Mike Mercury]

I certainly wouldn't mind having 1. I have never put them down. Not at all. There is no hate whatsoever from my end. Dodge made a hell of a car.

:iagree:

With that said, comparing it to the Z06 is stupid. They are 2 completely different cars with 2 completely different purposes.

and, that type of "test" is not to base anything off of. :nonod:

[onedef92]

Fat pig.


http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss331/ZSNAV/OSHKOSH%202010/AF294-OSH-28-07-2010-1.jpg

Amazing what a pair of GE-J79 turbofans can do. Love that mofo, though! :seasix:

[Truck Guy]

:rofl: Sooooo easy to start the butthurt with Corvette owners.

Nice fishin' Red! :seasix:

[Hoog]

Weight transfer does wonders for traction...even with "skinny" tires. Not the highest priority in the Z's design criteria.

[bsmith]

I have no plans to own either...so I think it's f**king great that there are more badass options out there.
I don't give a shit which is faster. :shrug:

I must be old now...

[RED-85-Z51]

:rofl: Sooooo easy to start the butthurt with Corvette owners.

Nice fishin' Red! :seasix:

The best fishing is on the vette fb pages....people lose their shit, go into full meltdown...

[Ryan Bell]

Well...it layed waste to the stingray....so now it goes up against the top of the heap. Vthe outcome was as expected.
hellcat vs c7z (http://speedsociety.com/2015-dodge-hellcat-annihilates-2015-c7-z06-chevrolet-corvette/)

http://i.imgur.com/EddvMkp.gif

[Chuck A]

it is what it is
their are vehicles that do beat vettes indeed

[Bucwheat]

Like was stated earlier,put them on a road course and see what happens.

[RxCritical]

You mean like this?

http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/F6F_warbirds_tw.jpg

VS

http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_Corvette_Visby_K32_Helsingborg_Extreme_Littoral_lg.jpg


:D

[Bucwheat]

Just googled quarter mile times for both,10.95 for the ZO6 and 10.85 for the Hellcat ,hardly a blistering difference .:leaving:

[Datawiz]

Just googled quarter mile times for both,10.95 for the ZO6 and 10.85 for the Hellcat ,hardly a blistering difference .:leaving:

Hellcat's sub-11 second runs are on DR's if I'm not mistaken. 11.2 on streets.

[RED-85-Z51]

Hellcat's sub-11 second runs are on DR's if I'm not mistaken. 11.2 on streets.

As per CF (take it for what its worth), the comparison from streets ot DR's on both is nearly identical in how it effects ET's...between the 2 cars.

As stated, the vette doesnt squat, there is virtually no weight transfer, and wide tires are not always preferred over skinny tires...if the surface you are running on is not perfectly flat, your 13" wide tires may not have a footprint worth a damn.

Id LOVE to see a hellcat go through a timed autoX course vs a Z..same driver. I really look forward ot when STIG gets ahold of both of them..maybe this season???

[RED-85-Z51]

oh stop,,my penis can only get so erect...

(great video)

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/how-to-destroy-a-set-of-tires-in-minutes-using-a-707-hp-dodge-challenger-hellcat-203556552.html

[Kerrmudgeon]

:rubbish:.....there's only ONE chick magnet of legend. :D

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3502/3722840519_d3f82b15fc.jpg

[Hoog]

"It's basically Keith Moon with a license plate."

Excellent.

[racer313g]

I'll just leave this right here.....:leaving:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/Zinc03/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_976880779853362_zps150f9de3.jpeg?1420673726887&1420673729590

[Truck Guy]

I'll just leave this right here.....:leaving:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/Zinc03/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_976880779853362_zps150f9de3.jpeg?1420673726887&1420673729590
:lol: :rofl:

[Ryan Bell]

"It's basically Keith Moon with a license plate."

Excellent.

http://i.imgur.com/3v9bENX.gif

[Loco Vette]

So what did the Hellcat run at Nurburgring? Or Road Atlanta? :bigears:

[RedLS1GTO]

So what did the Hellcat run at Nurburgring?

They had to commission the construction a new specially designed super-freighter to get 1 of them over there... it should be done later this year.

[War Eagle ZO6]

I'll just leave this right here.....:leaving:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/Zinc03/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_976880779853362_zps150f9de3.jpeg?1420673726887&1420673729590

yoink



:leaving:

[racer313g]

Patiently waiting for the first Hellcat Charger destroys C7Z youtube video....:rofl:

http://www.drivesrt.com/assets/images/2015/charger/hellcat/gallery/15-ldhc-ex-008.jpg

[ApexOversteer]

Patiently waiting for the first Hellcat Charger destroys C7Z youtube video....:rofl:

http://www.drivesrt.com/assets/images/2015/charger/hellcat/gallery/15-ldhc-ex-008.jpg

You do know that a Ford F-150 can carry way, way more stuff than a Challenger and a Charger combined... right?