Every 16 year old needs two cars....

[Datawiz]

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:leaving:

2015 6-speed Limited Subaru BRZ

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[LisaJohn]

Yes! One for racing and one to drive around. Early Christmas present? I see a big red bow.

[Datawiz]

Yes! One for racing and one to drive around. Early Christmas present? I see a big red bow.

Yes, early Christmas present. I "was" going to store it at a friend's house until Christmas morning, but it seems silly to pay for something that's not used, AND, she'll now drive herself to school every single day. She currently only likes to take her Miata on Thursdays and Fridays, and will then borrow my Vette, or have my wife take her in the other 3.

This actually makes life a lot easier for my wife and I. Daughter will be much more independent, have all of the modern safety features like side and side-curtain airbags, traction control, vehicle stability, navigation....and be able to keep her little red Miata baby safe in the garage. :yesnod:

[86RAG]

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Looks like the neighbors approve too! :seasix:

[BADRACR1]

I was likely the only 16 year old I knew with two cars. I bought a 69 Camaro couple months after I turned 16 (August '77) and then a 67 Charger a few months later. Sold the Camaro, bought a 67 Chevelle and then sold the Charger. Traded the Malibu in during my senior year for a fairly new '76 RS Camaro. I had four cars in the last two years of high school. Over 160 since!:BADRACR1:
Congrats to the daughter.

[Datawiz]

Looks like the neighbors approve too! :seasix:

That's my wife, brother-in-law, and my dog. He owns that house and our invisible fence surrounds both yards for the dogs.

[Shrike6]

That's awesome!

[GRN ENVY]

I need to come check that out

[VatorMan]

:datawiz:

[MrPeabody]

Nice ride.

I didn't have two cars when I was 16, but I did when I was 18. Got tired of my '57 Corvette being a daily driver.

[ApexOversteer]

Nice ride! I've enjoyed every Subaru I've had, and I've had several!

[Datawiz]

I need to come check that out

Hope you have time! Come take it for a spin, it'll impress you a WHOLE bunch, I promise. But....only in the handling dept. HP, at 200, is barely adequate. Car weighs 2700#. 300 HP would be perfect. :yesnod: Having said that, as the car sits, it's PERFECT for a 16 year old kid, regardless of the fact that she has both Vettes at her disposal.

NO BACK SEAT ROOM. :hurray: It's truly a 2+2, so like the Vettes, she'll likely only ever have 1 passenger. Considerably less distraction for a new driver. :yesnod:

[Millenium Vette]

Very nice looking Subaru Craig! And congratulations to G-wiz, enjoy that new ride. :)

[Datawiz]

Very nice looking Subaru Craig! And congratulations to G-wiz, enjoy that new ride. :)

Will post the video tomorrow. She had NO clue what we were doing, even though she and I have discussed her having a BRZ. We left the house at 6:45 am this morning and left her a note that we were Christmas shopping, which was technically not a lie. :D

She was definitely brought to tears. :yesnod: When questioned about the car-related events in her life, I think she still rates hearing her Miata fire for the first time, just "slightly" above getting a brand new car. She definitely has her head screwed on right. :seasix:

[lander]

Man...that car is/was on my short, non-corvette list but I hadn't driven one yet...hate to hear about the acceleration because that was key for me.

[Millenium Vette]

I admire you and your wife for the great job you have done in raising your daughter, but I really like how you are not afraid to show how proud you are of her. :seasix:

Most of my friends parents and my own parents seemed to love putting their kids down. I wish I could say it didn't affect me, but I would be shitting myself.

[Datawiz]

Man...that car is/was on my short, non-corvette list but I hadn't driven one yet...hate to hear about the acceleration because that was key for me.

Acceleration is just fine for it's class. Handling is other-worldly. It is certainly not Corvette acceleration, but it's a **** load more fun to drive than my 2006 Corvette. :yesnod:

[Datawiz]

I admire you and your wife for the great job you have done in raising your daughter, but I really like how you are not afraid to show how proud you are of her. :seasix:

Most of my friends parents and my own parents seemed to love putting their kids down. I wish I could say it didn't affect me, but I would be shitting myself.

My kid has stood on her own two feet as a byproduct of our raising her. She had both mom and dad 24/7 for the first 10 years of her life, as I worked out of the house, and mom was full time mom.

"IF" my daughter had the shopping bug, or a sense of self entitlement, this transaction would have NEVER occurred. As a child who has never had a grade worse than an A-, is working on her 3rd Degree black belt, feeds the homeless, and is a car nut through and through, she is the 1 in a hundred who deserves something like this. Liz's kid is the only other one I've ever met who would qualify for this criteria. My daughter hates to shop and asks for, nor spends a dime. She's just like her mother.

Ya'll have watched G grow, and watched her build cars, and she's going into the car building industry. This is just another rung in the ladder to her ultimate success. We certainly live vicariously through our children, but if she were a ****-up, she'd be on her own in a BIG way. :yesnod:

[lander]

Acceleration is just fine for it's class. Handling is other-worldly. It is certainly not Corvette acceleration, but it's a **** load more fun to drive than my 2006 Corvette. :yesnod:

Aight well I guess I'll keep it on my list and head over to drive one. :cheers:

[Datawiz]

Aight well I guess I'll keep it on my list and head over to drive one. :cheers:

You can always super/turbo charge it for about 4-5K. With 300HP, I'd drive one of these every day. It would be the modern day Supra. :yesnod:

[Datawiz]

I thoroughly enjoyed test driving the FR-S (same car mechanically) but I do agree, it does feel like it should have more balls. :lol:

Super/turbo on them is a bit more difficult than normal because of the abnormally high compression ratio but it is still doable.


Congrats to G-Wiz on the new car! I'm jealous!

This car will NEVER be a Supra, but definitely in the same spirit.

My wife and I were invited into the owner's "vault". He has TEN (10) 1967 Toyota 2000 GT's, including 1 of 2 ever made in convertible, for the Bond Films. From what I understand, he has 5 more. There were ONLY 351 EVER built, and this guy has 15. Those cars are worth a bare minimum of $500K each, but most are $1 Million minimum. Toyota insures his convertible for $50 Million every time they have him take it to an event. His garage is INSANE. :yesnod:

[Datawiz]

Holy hell, I'd be terrified to breathe on them! :lol:


She's got a one-up on me though - I've never owned a "new" car. :cheers:

I was incorrect, the #33 race car shown here is the one insured for $50 million by Toyota. Carol Shelby raced this physical car. Toyota has very little racing prowess, but this car is in their history. The Bond car is right next to it, but would be a minimum of 1.5-2 Million.

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[Datawiz]

I was the FIRST PERSON ever in the history of the dealership to casually mention a Toyota 2000 GT as we were making our deal, hence the golden keys to the kingdom. This collection is kept VERY hush hush. My daughter and I are invited back to go see it again with a better camera...and to return the xmas bow. LOL

While my Supra was a unicorn, the 2000 GT is the old school holy grail of Japanese super cars. :yesnod:

[GRN ENVY]

Hope you have time! Come take it for a spin, it'll impress you a WHOLE bunch, I promise. But....only in the handling dept. HP, at 200, is barely adequate. Car weighs 2700#. 300 HP would be perfect. :yesnod: Having said that, as the car sits, it's PERFECT for a 16 year old kid, regardless of the fact that she has both Vettes at her disposal.

NO BACK SEAT ROOM. :hurray: It's truly a 2+2, so like the Vettes, she'll likely only ever have 1 passenger. Considerably less distraction for a new driver. :yesnod:

What yall doin in the morning?

[Datawiz]

That's Johnny Benson's Cup Car in the far background. :yesnod:

The father drives every single one of these cars, and most of them on the track. :yesnod:

He's even got a Spyker in there. :datawiz:

[Datawiz]

What yall doin in the morning?

GCAC cleanup. Home at 12:30. :cert:

[VITE1]

Nice early present Craig.

[GRN ENVY]

GCAC cleanup. Home at 12:30. :cert:

Maybe after I get out of work

[Datawiz]

Maybe after I get out of work

Hell yeah. Make a point to stop by. :cert:

[Datawiz]

It's pretty much the only Japanese car of the time I actually like (and can name).

You can thank Gran Turismo for that though. :D

I got my first introduction to the 2000 GT back in 1992 when Toyota first introduced the MKIV Supra. It's lines are a direct homage to the 2000 GT. :yesnod:

Been following it ever since, and would LOVE to own one, let alone get back my 1998.

[Datawiz]

It's pretty much the only Japanese car of the time I actually like (and can name).

You can thank Gran Turismo for that though. :D


EDIT: Is that the louder exhaust option on the BR-Z? When we put our order in on an FR-S (that we cancelled later due to the dealer being a dick) we had the TRD exhaust selected because the standard setup just had no sound at all.

Stock exhaust. Sounds good, but certainly not loud. "Large" tips, yes, ... nice aural tone yes, but not loud. Not ricer, not Corvette, but just perfect for GWIZ. :yesnod:

[GRN ENVY]

Hell yeah. Make a point to stop by. :cert:

I'll give ya a ring on my home

[Kerrmudgeon]

GeeWizz.....spoiled but not rotten! :thumbs:

[Datawiz]

I bet Subaru did a better job with the stock tuning then. The FR-S just has no sound at all aside from the intake induction. :P

Subi has more automotive soul than Toyota does, so I bet that's a true guesstimate.

Toyota better find that soul as they work with BMW to bring out the next Supra...Hybrid and all. :needcoffee:

[mrvette]

Wiz , Like I did with my daughter some 15 years ago, I bought her a used Saturn here in Florida drove it north, turned it over to her in her mother's driveway...laid my hand on the hood in front of her....and said to the car.....

'You get her through college safely without accidents'......32/married/nurse today.....


:seasix::cert:

[yell01]

That's a really cool car. Do you want to adopt me?

[Datawiz]

That's a really cool car. Do you want to adopt me?

Frank, I was thinking the other way around. :D

Money is strong lately, I'd love to try and plan a trip up to come visit your new restaurant. :yesnod:

[Chuck A]

very cool, indeed

[Stangkiller]

Craig, how do you fit in the car? I start my new role with a Gulf State Toyotas on Monday, which means a strong discount on toyotas, I wonder if an FRS wouldn't pay for itself vs. the fuel i'm putting into my Diesel.

[Datawiz]

Craig, how do you fit in the car? I start my new role with a Gulf State Toyotas on Monday, which means a strong discount on toyotas, I wonder if an FRS wouldn't pay for itself vs. the fuel i'm putting into my Diesel.

Chris, I drove very comfortably on the way home from Lauderdale. Having said that, I've taken many hot laps in same car with a helmet. With helmet it's tight, but certainly doable. WAY better than many of the cars that I'm forced to drive.

Today's drive home was pure joy, and I had an easy 2" of headroom. :yesnod:

[yell01]

Frank, I was thinking the other way around. :D

Money is strong lately, I'd love to try and plan a trip up to come visit your new restaurant. :yesnod:

:Jeff '79: It's been a great first week. But I haven't worked in 5 weeks. :leaving:

It would be great to see you and have you up here. I'd need plenty of advance warning so I could order a 50oz. steak for you. :rofl:

[Stangkiller]

:Jeff '79: It's been a great first week. But I haven't worked in 5 weeks. :leaving:

It would be great to see you and have you up here. I'd need plenty of advance warning so I could order a 50oz. steak for you. :rofl:

[thread jack] I'd be willing to fly up and meet a crew to test out the new restaurant/bar on a weekend.

My dad's been working in chicago lately, so I'm trying to get him to stop by too :yesnod: [/threadjack]

[Datawiz]

:Jeff '79: It's been a great first week. But I haven't worked in 5 weeks. :leaving:

It would be great to see you and have you up here. I'd need plenty of advance warning so I could order a 50oz. steak for you. :rofl:

Even though it's winter, I may have to try and pull off a trip up. Will have to deal with the workload...currently doing 14-16 hour days, but I have flexibility. I'll see what I can do for Jan-Feb. Would love to take some laps on the arctic cat. :yesnod:

[Datawiz]

[thread jack] I'd be willing to fly up and meet a crew to test out the new restaurant/bar on a weekend.

My dad's been working in chicago lately, so I'm trying to get him to stop by too :yesnod: [/threadjack]

Crew to Chicago sounds like a plan.

[yell01]

Even though it's winter, I may have to try and pull off a trip up. Will have to deal with the workload...currently doing 14-16 hour days, but I have flexibility. I'll see what I can do for Jan-Feb. Would love to take some laps on the arctic cat. :yesnod:

I was going to say if you made it up in the winter we'll head to my lake house for a couple of days and do some riding. You'd love it! We'd just have to find big enough gear for you. :funnier:

[Datawiz]

I was going to say if you made it up in the winter we'll head to my lake house for a couple of days and do some riding. You'd love it! We'd just have to find big enough gear for you. :funnier:

We'll be in touch my friend. :cert:

[Thunder22]

I had 3 cars when i was a senior in HS.

69 Chrysler newport
74 VW super beatle
80 Firebird esprit

first 2 i inherited, the firebird i bought myself.

[Datawiz]

I had 3 cars when i was a senior in HS.

69 Chrysler newport
74 VW super beatle
80 Firebird esprit

first 2 i inherited, the firebird i bought myself.

Which was your favorite?

[Thunder22]

Which was your favorite?

Great question. It's a tough call.

The VW was given to me by my uncle and he taught me how to drive a manual in that car, I felt like such a car guy once I learned to drive it. hahahaha. It was falling apart, completely rusted out frame and underbody as it had spent most of it's life in Michigan.

The Chysler... oh, the Chrysler.... could have a party in that boat and not meet everyone. I fooled around with more than a few girls in that car. And it was my grandfather's, he left it to me when he died, so it had a few emotional ties to it.

The Firebird was the first car I bought with my own money. My father taught me how to buy a car with that purchase.

I know, all emotional, but that's why I'm a car guy. :seasix:

[Admiral Blue]

Congrats on the purchase and moreover, a great kid! :seasix:

Get up to Chicago and have some of that poutine...in case I haven't talked about it enough, lol.

[yell01]

Congrats on the purchase and moreover, a great kid! :seasix:

Get up to Chicago and have some of that poutine...in case I haven't talked about it enough, lol.

I'm going to have to try it tomorrow. I bought the place and today was the first time I ate anything there since. :leaving:

[Admiral Blue]

:lol:

[RED-85-Z51]

Curious why Gwiz only drove the Miata 2 days a week to school?

The Subaru looks nice, they make reliable, quality cars. When I was in HS, used WRX's and a rare few EVO's were becoming affordable to the wealthier kids...they handled on rails, but my 85 Vette, and a buddies 94 Vette would get em all at the beginning of 2nd and pull away...but they'd get us off the line every damn time.

[carlton_fritz]

Acceleration is just fine for it's class. Handling is other-worldly. It is certainly not Corvette acceleration, but it's a **** load more fun to drive than my 2006 Corvette. :yesnod:
Jeremy Clarkson said the Scion version was the most fun he had ever had in a car.

[carlton_fritz]

I was the FIRST PERSON ever in the history of the dealership to casually mention a Toyota 2000 GT as we were making our deal, hence the golden keys to the kingdom. This collection is kept VERY hush hush. My daughter and I are invited back to go see it again with a better camera...and to return the xmas bow. LOL

While my Supra was a unicorn, the 2000 GT is the old school holy grail of Japanese super cars. :yesnod:
It's not hush hush now. :rofl:

[Datawiz]

Curious why Gwiz only drove the Miata 2 days a week to school?

The Subaru looks nice, they make reliable, quality cars. When I was in HS, used WRX's and a rare few EVO's were becoming affordable to the wealthier kids...they handled on rails, but my 85 Vette, and a buddies 94 Vette would get em all at the beginning of 2nd and pull away...but they'd get us off the line every damn time.

We never brought the airbags online, so there is certainly a small safety issue. Beyond that, it's a matter of not risking her investment. She has several hundred hours (as do I) in that car and it's her baby. By not driving it as a DD, she greatly reduces the chance that it could get hit.

[Sneaks]

I had 3 cars when I was a senior.
72 Monte Carlo
79 T/A
85 Corolla SR5 GT
The Monte was my first car. The T/A was my all time fave. The Toyota was the first brand new car I ever bought.
Those were the days. Gas was cheap, and good times were a plenty.
:thumbsup:

[Sneaks]

We never brought the airbags online, so there is certainly a small safety issue. Beyond that, it's a matter of not risking her investment. She has several hundred hours (as do I) in that car and it's her baby. By not driving it as a DD, she greatly reduces the chance that it could get hit.

I don't know to many kids that would think that way about their only mode of transportation. That is way cool. :yesnod:

[sasnglass77]

:)

You remind me of my Dad! It looks like she is very happy with it. You both did a great job raising her to be that responsible at such a young age...Kudos!

Behind every awesome child is an awesome set of parents :)

[simpleman68]

Lucky Dad :yesnod:










To have a young lady worthy of such gifts. Well done on all fronts Craig. :cert:
Scott

[simpleman68]

Crew to Chicago sounds like a plan.

Just saw this. I'm in :cert:
Scott

[Black94lt1]

Nice car and great to have a good safe modern car for her to get around in

[Datawiz]

q9FGVtCakYU

[CertInsaneC5]

:seasix: :hurray:

[GRN ENVY]

You home Craig?

[Datawiz]

You home Craig?

Yes.

Stop by! :cert:

[GRN ENVY]

Car is awesome, congrats to Gee

[RED-85-Z51]

We never brought the airbags online, so there is certainly a small safety issue. Beyond that, it's a matter of not risking her investment. She has several hundred hours (as do I) in that car and it's her baby. By not driving it as a DD, she greatly reduces the chance that it could get hit.

I was like that with my 85..but I had to drive it, lol...it was that or the 67 Tbird...both got hit in my HS parking lot mind you, as the same stop sign...but, you fix it and improve it, and go on I guess. In the years since, Ive invested, tens of thousands of dollars and God only knows how many hundreds, thousands of hours into various vehicles, building ,rebuilding, repairing, improving, and so on, Ive become proud of my investments, and I love to enjoy them. Ive found that, it is incredibly satisfying to drive around in something you have time and money in, more so than something you just purchased.

As for Airbags, Ive had...hell...
67 Thunderbird- No bags
76 Vette - no bags
81 Eldorado- No bags
85 vette -no bags
86 GMC K2500 High Sierra- no bags
89 Fleetwood- no bags
89 Jeep SJ- no bags
93 Jeep ZJ- Had bags, but I disabled them due to age
94 GMC K1500- No bags
95 Chevy K2500- No bags
95 Chevy K3500- No bags
95 F150- Had bags, module failed so disabled them
97 GMC K3500- No bags
98 Ram- Had bags, but disabled them due to age
01 Mustang GT- Had bags

Im short, so Airbags always made me nervous....and, so few of my vehicles Ive had in the past..12 years of my life had them, I guess Ive just become accustomed to not having them there. I understand their safety purpose, and if you got a new vehicle, they are a nice feature.

[LATB]

q9FGVtCakYU

I enjoyed that. :seasix:

[erickpl]

q9FGVtCakYU

Gotta love figuring out all the new switches, locations, and operation of a new car. One of the best times!

Congrats to GA on the new ride and for being such and outstanding example of parenting done right!

Congrats to the two of you for getting it right!

[8Up]

Nothing wrong with rewarding good kids for being good. :seasix:

[jaxgator]

You've got an awesome kid Craig so I am sure she deserved that and will cherish it.

[lander]

So is the honeymoon over with the BRZ or is everyone still loving it? It's on my short list if I don't get a used C6 (or wait until I can comfortably afford a C7).

[Datawiz]

So is the honeymoon over with the BRZ or is everyone still loving it? It's on my short list if I don't get a used C6 (or wait until I can comfortably afford a C7).

Oh hell no it's not over!! She's loving that thing every day. Poor little Miata doesn't get driven too much anymore. :lol: Every time I take it for a spin, it still amazes me how well it handles. :yesnod:

[snide]

Oh hell no it's not over!! She's loving that thing every day. Poor little Miata doesn't get driven too much anymore. :lol: Every time I take it for a spin, it still amazes me how well it handles. :yesnod:

Do you actually fit in it? :bigears:

[onedef92]

Nice ride!

[Datawiz]

Do you actually fit in it? :bigears:

Quite comfortably. Little tight with a helmet, but most certainly not a compromised driving position like many other cars I take hot laps in. :yesnod:

[snide]

Quite comfortably. Little tight with a helmet, but most certainly not a compromised driving position like many other cars I take hot laps in. :yesnod:

Interesting. :cheers:

[Cybercowboy]

So is the honeymoon over with the BRZ or is everyone still loving it? It's on my short list if I don't get a used C6 (or wait until I can comfortably afford a C7).

My wife has suddenly started thinking a Subaru might be a nice vehicle to replace her aging Acura RSX at a much lower cost than another Acura. I tend to agree. Just priced out a loaded Outback, it's under $35k.

[lander]

I found an FRS locally, '14 with 9k, for $21k, nicely equipped that I'm going to go drive tomorrow. I want to have fun driving again...the old Element just isn't providing that. Lol

[Datawiz]

I found an FRS locally, '14 with 9k, for $21k, nicely equipped that I'm going to go drive tomorrow. I want to have fun driving again...the old Element just isn't providing that. Lol

That's a pretty good price. Unlike Subaru, they don't do "premium" vs. "limited". You have to just add on the extras.

What color is it? Manual transmission I hope. :D

[Cybercowboy]

Wow, reading about the CVT (continuous variable transmission) in the Outback makes me rather dubious. So it's under-powered with essentially a late 90's tech engine and a slush-box auto. Not sure about that.

[snide]

Wow, reading about the CVT (continuous variable transmission) in the Outback makes me rather dubious. So it's under-powered with essentially a late 90's tech engine and a slush-box auto. Not sure about that.

Most lesbians really don't care about that stuff. :D

[lander]

That's a pretty good price. Unlike Subaru, they don't do "premium" vs. "limited". You have to just add on the extras.

What color is it? Manual transmission I hope. :D

They couldn't decide what color to go with...so of course it's red...and oh yeah, it's got three pedals. ;)

[Cybercowboy]

Most lesbians really don't care about that stuff. :D

Yeah, I think my short-lived "Huh, maybe a Subaru would be OK" phase, that lasted about 2 hours, has came to an inglorious end.

[CertInsaneC5]

Most lesbians really don't care about that stuff. :D

Yeah, I think my short-lived "Huh, maybe a Subaru would be OK" phase, that lasted about 2 hours, has came to an inglorious end.

:funniest: :funniest: :funniest:

[Nemesis]

Yeah, I think my short-lived "Huh, maybe a Subaru would be OK" phase, that lasted about 2 hours, has came to an inglorious end.

Does it snow much in Missouri?

[Cybercowboy]

Does it snow much in Missouri?

Sometimes. Usually we'll have about 7 days or so per year with some snow on the roads. More than that is an anomaly. Even with a big snow, they usually have the roads cleared off in 24 hours. We are in SW Missouri, up by Kansas City they get quite a bit more snow than us.

[Nemesis]

Sometimes. Usually we'll have about 7 days or so per year with some snow on the roads. More than that is an anomaly. Even with a big snow, they usually have the roads cleared off in 24 hours. We are in SW Missouri, up by Kansas City they get quite a bit more snow than us.

Then awd isnt a necessity, but it sure is nice to have.

[Cybercowboy]

Then awd isnt a necessity, but it sure is nice to have.

Absolutely. Love my MDX. I'll find something she likes, and at the very least it will have some sort of AWD. Probably. However, she has had a FWD car for 20 years now (various ones) and hasn't had a problem getting around here.

[Nemesis]

Absolutely. Love my MDX. I'll find something she likes, and at the very least it will have some sort of AWD. Probably. However, she has had a FWD car for 20 years now (various ones) and hasn't had a problem getting around here.

the options are endless

[Sea Six]

giggety

[lander]

That's a pretty good price. Unlike Subaru, they don't do "premium" vs. "limited". You have to just add on the extras.

What color is it? Manual transmission I hope. :D

Went over and drove it at lunch...don't know why they say it needs more power...had plenty of it in my mind and coupled with the 6-speed was easily put down to the road. Bit of torque steer, but I expected there to be. Great handling...just wow, fun to drive. Seats were a bit tight...definitely made for a thinner build than mine, but not overly uncomfortable.

But...with a bum knee unfortunately getting in and out was a chore. :cry:

Oh well...I'll keep looking I guess. Too bad.

[Datawiz]

Went over and drove it at lunch...don't know why they say it needs more power...had plenty of it in my mind and coupled with the 6-speed was easily put down to the road. Bit of torque steer, but I expected there to be. Great handling...just wow, fun to drive. Seats were a bit tight...definitely made for a thinner build than mine, but not overly uncomfortable.

But...with a bum knee unfortunately getting in and out was a chore. :cry:

Oh well...I'll keep looking I guess. Too bad.

How do you get torque steer out of a RWD car?

[Sea Six]

How do you get torque steer out of a RWD car?

With a bullwhip?

[Sea Six]

Page 2!!

:woohoo:

[lander]

How do you get torque steer out of a RWD car?

Good point, torque steer would be the wrong thing, obviously, but I'm telling you the damn thing felt like torque steer out the ass when I hit it and turned in, hard. It felt exactly like torque steer and that's what I ascribed it to. Even made a mental note of it (which I'll now go back and erase...ok, done).

Wonder if the damage to the car that they told me was just a dent in the passenger door was something a bit more causing the issue? :confused5:

Regardless, I won't be getting one. Just too low to the ground for me.

Edit to add:

Did some Googling...others have reported similar things and attributed it to the tires being new and "sticky". Dunno about that...it's fricking cold out today! lol

[Brett K]

Yeah, I think my short-lived "Huh, maybe a Subaru would be OK" phase, that lasted about 2 hours, has came to an inglorious end.

Been there, done that. We bought a 2010 Outback Limited when they first came out. Decent car in many respects but boring. Fortunately, resale value is great on Subarus.