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:ohnoes:
meeting with an architect this afternoon. we'll look at the existing shop, discuss ideas i have (heated) for a new shop in the same basic location, and no doubt discuss options and costs and time frames.
am i really going to do this? :willy:
too cold for concrete work until spring.
stay tuned.
:DAB:
Blademaker
11-14-2014, 1:56pm
Do like I did......I just kept expanding from one room to another in our garage basement.
My wife really didn't pay attention until she had to park outside.
lspencer534
11-14-2014, 1:58pm
DAB, my 2 cents is that you're dedicated to woodworking. Right now it's simply too cold to work in your shop, and there's typically several months when that's true. I understand your being tore on whether you should spend a fair amount of money on something that producing no profit and is merely a hobby.
I don't think it's bad judgement to spend money that way. Bad judgement would be to build a shop that you can't afford; i.e., you need the money for other things (not, "The money could be put to better use" You could say that about almost any expenditure,).
Ol Timer
11-14-2014, 1:59pm
If you're going to have a grand opening, let us know. I'm merely a twelve hour drive away!
Do like I did......I just kept expanding from one room to another in our garage basement.
My wife really didn't pay attention until she had to park outside.
new building in place of the horse barn/wood shop.
making a picture frame for Mrs. DAB today, during the few hours it's warm enough today. have 2 bowl blanks i'll turn another day when it's warmer. like 45F and up. so look for one more bowl give away before Christmas.
DAB, my 2 cents is that you're dedicated to woodworking. Right now it's simply too cold to work in your shop, and there's typically several months when that's true. I understand your being tore on whether you should spend a fair amount of money on something that producing no profit and is merely a hobby.
I don't think it's bad judgement to spend money that way. Bad judgement would be to build a shop that you can't afford; i.e., you need the money for other things (not, "The money could be put to better use" You could say that about almost any expenditure,).
it's a money losing hobby i enjoy, always have. but i think we have the $$, and since we don't plan to take any $$ with us, WTH, didn't earn and save $$ for someone else to waste on hookers and blow. no children to fund.
:ohnoes:
Fasglas
11-14-2014, 4:53pm
This might be worth a look:
Show Us Your Shop - Tom Skarda (http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodnews/2010february/showus.html)
http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodnews/2010february/01.jpg
More pics @ link. :)
lspencer534
11-14-2014, 5:04pm
it's a money losing hobby i enjoy, always have. but i think we have the $$, and since we don't plan to take any $$ with us, WTH, didn't earn and save $$ for someone else to waste on hookers and blow. no children to fund.
:ohnoes:
You are are looking at $100,000. :eek:
Kerrmudgeon
11-14-2014, 5:05pm
Looks like he's in the sawdust making business too Doug....:rofl:
http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/woodnews/2010february/05.jpg
simpleman68
11-14-2014, 5:33pm
Could be a really nice way to treat yourself Doug. I know you're not going to get in over your head financially.
Nursing a hobby is one of the great joys of this world; and also good therapy for stress.
Scott
markids77
11-14-2014, 5:42pm
Pursuing a relaxing hobby is always a fine investment. Stress relief, exercise, brain workouts and maintaining a sense of self satisfaction are all conducive to living a long and healthy life. I say go for it.
when you say "new shop in the same spot," do you mean you intend to knock down the existing structure? If so, why not just build the new shop somewhere else and leave the existing structure alone?
good meeting, interesting ideas.
basics: leave the structure in place, insulate it (walls, roof, floor) with up to 12" of polystyrene, lay down insulation and pour a new floor (with imbedded heating tubing), insulate roof (likely with spray foam), install new celestory windows, install new roll up garage type doors.
space i have is fine, this would make it useful year around for less than the cost of knocking down and rebuilding.
know more next week, he needs to check the load limits of the existing building.
:ohnoes:
lspencer534
11-14-2014, 8:04pm
good meeting, interesting ideas.
basics: leave the structure in place, insulate it (walls, roof, floor) with up to 12" of polystyrene, lay down insulation and pour a new floor (with imbedded heating tubing), insulate roof (likely with spray foam), install new celestory windows, install new roll up garage type doors.
space i have is fine, this would make it useful year around for less than the cost of knocking down and rebuilding.
know more next week, he needs to check the load limits of the existing building.
:ohnoes:
Load limits for buildings can be changed, as you know. I suspect that what you may be building doesn't require a high load limit. I see the basic problem being insulation and sealing air loss/entry (plus a heat source, of course). These are pretty cheap to fix. While the finished structure may not be an architectural beauty, I can see a pretty economical and functional structure.
JRD77VET
11-14-2014, 8:07pm
Great idea since you already have a structure :seasix:
One of the guys on a tractor forum ran tubing in his concrete floor and used a water heater to keep the floor warm. He was able to keep it in the low 50s for low cost. iirc, he was in Minnesota so 50* was toasty :lol:
xXBUDXx
11-14-2014, 8:09pm
It's never too late to adopt.
<-------- Prime adoption candidate (unless BB adopts my MF'n ass)
Y2Kvert4me
11-14-2014, 8:18pm
pour a new floor (with imbedded heating tubing):seasix:
Nothing is more comfortable than a heated slab.
well, today's been an interesting day, interrupted by a doctor visit, another coming thursday. i really don't have time for a hernia. :toetap:
i think i'm going to give up trying to convert the old barn into a heated space, and instead build a new wood shop nearby. i'm thinking 25x40 or so, 12 foot interior clearance, garage door access as well as personnel door access, some high windows for natural light.
just playing with a scale sketch, so see how things might lay out.
so much for bathroom demo this week, no heavy lifting. sigh....
well, today's been an interesting day, interrupted by a doctor visit, another coming thursday. i really don't have time for a hernia. :toetap:
i think i'm going to give up trying to convert the old barn into a heated space, and instead build a new wood shop nearby. i'm thinking 25x40 or so, 12 foot interior clearance, garage door access as well as personnel door access, some high windows for natural light.
just playing with a scale sketch, so see how things might lay out.
so much for bathroom demo this week, no heavy lifting. sigh....
I built a 26x36 on slab. 2x6x10' frame walls. 1/2" plywood sheathing. hip truss roof. 3/4" roof decking. LOADED with straps/clips/tie downs. dimensional shingles and all brick exterior. A 8'x16' OHD. Two fiberglass swing (man doors). 4 quality vinyl lowE windows. hurricane shutters. Sleeve for PTAC heat/AC unit. Small bath rough-in. Drywall stocked out (1/2 walls - 5/8 for ceiling). 100amp panel from main house (buried). and a few temp receptacles.
I've got about 40K in it. No interior work done yet. :seasix:
lspencer534
11-17-2014, 5:35pm
I built a 26x36 on slab. 2x6x10' frame walls. 1/2" plywood sheathing. hip truss roof. 3/4" roof decking. LOADED with straps/clips/tie downs. dimensional shingles and all brick exterior. A 8'x16' OHD. Two fiberglass swing (man doors). 4 quality vinyl lowE windows. hurricane shutters. Sleeve for PTAC heat/AC unit. Small bath rough-in. Drywall stocked out (1/2 walls - 5/8 for ceiling). 100amp panel from main house (buried). and a few temp receptacles.
I've got about 40K in it. No interior work done yet. :seasix:
Curious: Why 5/8" drywall for ceilings? And are you going to complete the interior yourself?
Curious: Why 5/8" drywall for ceilings? And are you going to complete the interior yourself?
stiffer than 1/2" not as much sagging.
initial estimate: 95K+ :faint:
way more than i had in mind. stay tuned.
Curious: Why 5/8" drywall for ceilings? And are you going to complete the interior yourself?
I've always used 5/8" drywall for ceilings. makes for a flatter "lid". mostly because trusses are 24" OC.
I'll hire out the drywall. But I'll do the rest. I did all the trim and cabinetry at the main house and M-I-L cottage. I set all the windows/doors.
stiffer than 1/2" not as much sagging.
initial estimate: 95K+ :faint:
way more than i had in mind. stay tuned.
$95 per sq. foot is sporty for a garage/shop. Depending on finishes/scope of work/site conditions.
$95 per sq. foot is sporty for a garage/shop. Depending on finishes/scope of work/site conditions.
Premised on 25x50. About $76/sf.
Premised on 25x50. About $76/sf.
Better.
You may look into pole barn construction.
I can have pole barn built for $10.00 per sq ft. $15.00 enclosed.
That's 6x6 poles. Steel trusses. Metal roofing. Concrete slab. And metal siding on the enclosed. "R" panel steel.
design/build architect, design fee - 5%, build fee - 25%.
trying to stay with the adobe design (it'll be very visible from the road), so flat roof, stucco (Sto) finish, well insulated, rain water catchment (cistern), heated (propane boiler).....nice things cost money.
How 'bout these places?
Photo Gallery (http://countrywidebarns.com/photo-gallery)
Santa Fe New Mexico Pole Barn | Leading Santa Fe New Mexico Pole Barn Builders (http://professionalpolebarn.com/SantaFeNewMexicoPoleBarn)
Barn Pros Total Shops (http://www.barnpros.com/home-depot-race-shops.aspx?itemid=1925)
Doug, you've seen pics of my garage, it's 40x40 pole barn, all totaled, including upgrades, heat, AC, finished interior, I've spent about $50g's.
design/build architect, design fee - 5%, build fee - 25%.
trying to stay with the adobe design (it'll be very visible from the road), so flat roof, stucco (Sto) finish, well insulated, rain water catchment (cistern), heated (propane boiler).....nice things cost money.
Pricing is legit. :seasix:
How many projects could I sell at a profit of $1k each? :leaving:
How many projects could I sell at a profit of $1k each? :leaving:
I ain't holding my breath......:D
How many projects could I sell at a profit of $1k each? :leaving:
Looks like you'll need 95 of them. Doable. :seasix:
lspencer534
11-17-2014, 7:45pm
I've always used 5/8" drywall for ceilings. makes for a flatter "lid". mostly because trusses are 24" OC.
I'll hire out the drywall. But I'll do the rest. I did all the trim and cabinetry at the main house and M-I-L cottage. I set all the windows/doors.
Mine are 16" OC. :confused5: You're doing it the right way: Hire out the mindless work, do the hard stuff yourself. That's where you save money. Most DIYers do it the other way.
This podium has about $1,000 profit in it. Few days build.
Mine are 16" OC. :confused5: You're doing it the right way: Hire out the mindless work, do the hard stuff yourself. That's where you save money. Most DIYers do it the other way.
If your ceiling framing is 16" oc. It's probably stick built. Not trusses. :seasix:
I almost always do my own trim work. Especially my own homes. One, I love it. 2, no one is as good at it as I am. Serious. I could save money and time by having trim/finish work done by others.
lspencer534
11-17-2014, 8:08pm
If your ceiling framing is 16" oc. It's probably stick built. Not trusses. :seasix:
I almost always do my own trim work. Especially my own homes. One, I love it. 2, no one is as good at it as I am. Serious. I could save money and time by having trim/finish work done by others.
Yes, my home is hand-built. Allow me to brag a little on it: It was built in 1975. Framing is entirely of cedar, minimum 9' ceilings. 1/2" sheathing under the shingles. It's a pleasure to work on. When I installed a new counter top in the laundry room the walls were so plumb that I could have put it flush to the wall without caulk.
Exterior is board-and-batten cypress. After 30 years I pressure-washed it and re-stained and sealed it. It's good for another 30 years now. Nothing leaks, not the roof, the windows, or any air leaks. Best of all, we have 50% expansion coefficient clay here; my slab is 12" and back-dug deeply, so no cracks anywhere.
It's about 6500 sf with an all-electric heating/cooling bill of $450/month. It has 3 A/C units (one 4-ton and two 2-ton) that are quiet and efficient. The attached work shop has insulated walls with 5/8" plywood inside sheathing, and it's air tight with 6 sky lights.
The house was built by a short Napoleanic-type guy who had more money than sense, but he built a good house.
The house was built by a short Napoleanic-type guy who had more money than sense, but he built a good house.
:leaving:
Blue Demon
11-17-2014, 9:09pm
Build it, then maybe you will be able to make the kitchen set you said you said you would make for me Last year!
Meeting with architect tomorrow. Discuss details and options.
Black94lt1
11-18-2014, 3:19am
Looks like you'll need 95 of them. Doable. :seasix:
I was thinking 96, there's got to be some profit in the end :)
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