Breaking News: 2nd Ebola case in Dallas

[wwomanC6]

:thomas: Here we go again! :sadangel:

Healthcare worker that treated Thomas Duncan test positive for Ebola. Friday night health worker came in with low grade fever and was immediately isolated and test done. Late Sat night lab prelim reports positive for Ebola. CDC is doing its own Ebola testing.

Waiting on news conference for more info.

How is it possible people that were wearing protection are getting it but yet his family are not showing any signs of it yet. I would expect them to become infected first.


:squirrelrun:

[island14]

Maybe the health care worker got it from him during his first visit there.

I bet before it is over we will find out that he contaminated more than just one person. :(

[VITE1]

Maybe the health care worker got it from him during his first visit there.

I bet before it is over we will find out that he contaminated more than just one person. :(

:iagree:

[wwomanC6]

The hospital report came out as to Duncan's first visit.

He reported to the nurse he had been in an affected region of Ebola.

When seen by the doctor, Doc asked him if he had and contact with anyone effected or had died from Ebola. The record states he said no. So the doctor sent him home.

[island14]

I'm going to guess that since at that time there were no reported cases in the US, it did not seem like it was very likely that he had it since he told them he had not had contact with anyone with ebola.

It's very possible that who he got if from didn't even know that they had it either.

For some reason I suspect that this is easier to spread, and catch than they are saying.

[VITE1]

Why are we still issuing VISA's to people in this area?

And why is it only a travel Alert by the state department not a warning of ban?

[LATB]

Why are we still issuing VISA's to people in this area?

And why is it only a travel Alert by the state department not a warning of ban?

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/71980-jfk-begins-screening-assengers-ebola.html#post1254816

[VITE1]

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/71980-jfk-begins-screening-assengers-ebola.html#post1254816

Laughable. The incubation period for E bola is 21 days. This is just a placebo for the traveling public. Even the Government admits it will not work.

Ebola screenings begin at JFK airport - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/11/health/ebola/index.html)

[wwomanC6]

If I heard correctly, the health worker was one who cared for Duncan in the second visit. But due to privacy of the patient that's all they are disclosing. Worker was wearing protective gear.

[island14]

Laughable. The incubation period for E bola is 21 days. This is just a placebo for the traveling public. Even the Government admits it will not work.

Ebola screenings begin at JFK airport - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/11/health/ebola/index.html)

I was wondering about that myself..

before having any symptoms, is the risk of passing it on to someone else the same?

[island14]

If I heard correctly, the health worker was one who cared for Duncan in the second visit. But due to privacy of the patient that's all they are disclosing. Worker was wearing protective gear.


For some reason I suspect that this is easier to spread, and catch than they are saying.

There is more they are not telling us yet.. :yesnod:

You can bet that once they knew he had it, they were taking all precautions.


I was also reading in another story they were saying that any clothing or even mattresses used by a ebola patient should be burned.

Almost sounds like anything they touch can pass it on.

[VITE1]

I was wondering about that myself..

before having any symptoms, is the risk of passing it on to someone else the same?

From what I have read once you start displaying symptoms then you can spread the disease. Not before.

[Hoog]

I was wondering about that myself..

before having any symptoms, is the risk of passing it on to someone else the same?
If it was, I think we would be seeing a metric ass ton more cases.

[Shrike6]

When someone says they were wearing protective gear, that doesn't mean they couldn't get exposed. HOW you wear the gear, what you touch while wearing it, and how you take it off all affect your protection. I have had training wearing protective gear, and you wouldn't believe the simple mistakes people make without thinking. Any of which result in exposure.
Also, how all surfaces in the areas where the exposed patient and the staff were treated. How medical waste was handled, etc, etc, etc. I will go out on a limb and guarantee that this guy did something he shouldn't have. That Spanish nurse got exposed touching her face while in the protective gear. This virus requires a zero error technique, which means many more will get exposed through carelessness.

[VITE1]

When someone says they were wearing protective gear, that doesn't mean they couldn't get exposed. HOW you wear the gear, what you touch while wearing it, and how you take it off all affect your protection. I have had training wearing protective gear, and you wouldn't believe the simple mistakes people make without thinking. Any of which result in exposure.
Also, how all surfaces in the areas where the exposed patient and the staff were treated. How medical waste was handled, etc, etc, etc. I will go out on a limb and guarantee that this guy did something he shouldn't have. That Spanish nurse got exposed touching her face while in the protective gear. This virus requires a zero error technique, which means many more will get exposed through carelessness.

:iagree:

The Nurse in Spain had protective gear on. Sub standard but protective gear.She believes she got it from wiping her face while taking it off.

[Sea Six]

President Obama: the new Typhoid Mary

[VITE1]

President Obama: the new Typhoid Mary

http://www.dailycollapsereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ebola-bumper-sticker.jpg

[Fasglas]

http://www.dailycollapsereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ebola-bumper-sticker.jpg

I saw that very bumper sticker yesterday, on a NISSAN LEAF, of all things.

[Sea Six]

Health officials struggle to control the media narrative about Ebola | TheHill (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/220458-feds-struggle-to-control-the-media-narrative-about-ebola)

Health officials struggle to control the media narrative about Ebola


The Obama administration is battling for control of the media narrative about Ebola as conditions worsen in West Africa and fears of an outbreak mount in the United States.

Health officials insist the virus will be contained and stress the potential for infection is remote. While Ebola is frightening, says Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Tom Frieden, health officials "know how to stop it."


But those assurances are falling flat amid wall-to-wall coverage of the virus on cable networks and growing calls for a ban on air travel to parts of West Africa where the virus is spreading.
"Ebola is scary. And we understand that people are very concerned. And we're very concerned," Frieden said Sunday.

It can be difficult to gauge the administration's sense of the Ebola threat, as the language from leaders has shifted at times depending on their audience.
Frieden this week warned world leaders that Ebola could be "the world's next AIDS" as he sought to drum up more international funding for the response effort.

"I've been working in public health for 30 years," Frieden told a World Bank and International Monetary Fund meeting in Washington, D.C.

"The only thing like this has been AIDS. And we have to work now so that this is not the world's next AIDS," Frieden said.

The remarks — his most urgent to date — came just days after the CDC director touted "encouraging" signs of progress against Ebola during a more upbeat appearance on CBS.

The conflicting tones could hurt the CDC's credibility as the crisis unfolds, crisis communications experts said.

Peter M. Sandman, a Brooklyn-based consultant, said the agency should underscore the idea that Americans are resilient, that there is a "huge amount" that is unknown about Ebola, and that outbreaks in other parts of the developing world are the disease's "biggest threat."

"Officials who over-stress that 'we know how to deal with this' set the public up to become shocked and mistrustful when errors occur," Sandman wrote in an email.

"Acknowledging uncertainty and predicting errors, on the other hand, prepares the public to roll with the punches."

Steven Fink, president and CEO of Lexicon Communications Corp., said health officials should err on the side of disclosure and guidance for people fearful about the virus.

"The more information, the better," Fink said.

"I have the highest regard for the CDC … but I think they're lacking a strategic message and I think that's obvious."

Frieden defended his approach in a statement to The Hill.

"I have used language of certainty only for aspects of the messaging when I felt it was warranted," the director said.

"I've warned the public when I think we don't have all the information or when an outcome is possible. For example, I have said we can't rule out the virus mutating, or the potential of other types of spread.

"But we have been studying this virus for 40 years and if all that research has been consistent — for example, that people can't spread the virus unless they're ill — we have to recognize the value of the science and people deserve to hear the truth, plain and simple."

Ebola became top national news at the end of September when a Liberian man, Thomas Eric Duncan, arrived in the United States with the virus.

The case raised new questions about the U.S. health system's readiness for an outbreak and turned public attention to the crisis in Africa, where more than 4,000 people have died of Ebola since late last year.

Frieden, a former New York City health official, is a leading voice urging further action from within the administration.

He has also become the government's lead spokesman on the virus, appearing almost daily on television to calm public fears.

The evolution in his public statements reflects how the administration has come to grips with the reality of the out-of-control epidemic.

In early August, for example, Frieden suggested to reporters that a minor U.S. mission of disease detectives could deal a blow to Ebola in West Africa. Roughly 900 people had died at that point.

"We have stopped every outbreak of Ebola to date," Frieden said then. "I am confident we are going to stop this outbreak also."

But after a trip to West Africa later that month, his statements underwent a dramatic change.

By Sept. 2, Frieden told CBS that Ebola was "spiraling out of control," a phrase echoed by President Obama in a speech two weeks later. The remarks helped push the administration toward a more robust response.

Reacting to fears that Ebola will travel again to the United States undetected, Frieden has started to repeat that the risk to the U.S. public cannot be "zero" until the epidemic is contained. This idea is a core component of his message, he said in a statement.

Since Obama's speech, cable news has blanketed the outbreak with round-the-clock coverage, producing segments both informative and heavily criticized for accuracy and tone.

Much of the debate now centers on whether the United States should ban flights from the three main countries affected by Ebola.

Polls show a majority of the public supports the idea, and a rising number of lawmakers in both parties agree. This has pushed the issue to the top of the headlines.

But Frieden and his colleagues have spent nearly a week throwing cold water on the idea, arguing it would only hamper the response effort, among other reasons.

"We don't want to isolate parts of the world, or people who aren't sick, because that's going to drive patients with Ebola underground, making it infinitely more difficult to address the outbreak," Frieden wrote Thursday at FoxNews.com.

In a nod to public pressure, the White House announced new steps to screen passengers arriving from West Africa at five major U.S. airports earlier this week.

While the temperature checks cannot catch every Ebola case, the White House argued they will "add some confidence in our ability" to prevent an outbreak.

The administration often appears caught between efforts to relay information and tamp down public fears. But experts argued that a "remain calm" message sometimes do more harm than good.

It is both natural and useful for people to over-react when they learn of a new risk, Sandman said.

Those reactions are "an emotional rehearsal for the possibility that things could get worse, and a reason to seek out information and figure out how best to cope," he said.

"If officials don’t trust the public to learn alarming information without panicking, the public will not trust officials to lead them through difficult times."

Fink stressed that there are "a lot of unanswered questions" about the epidemic.

"But that's OK as long as you can tell people how to avoid exposure," he said.

"There needs to be a better education process by the CDC to let Americans know when they should feel comfortable and safe and when they should be concerned."

The American Psychological Association echoed these views this week, urging officials to take the public's concerns seriously and not to hold back details.

"Information flow to the public about very bad news should not be controlled in the name of trying to avoid an outbreak of mass panic," a panel of experts wrote in a blog post Oct. 8.

"The public should be armed with information."

Barbara Reynolds, director of CDC's division of public affairs, agreed with these principles and said Frieden and the agency are succeeding at their task.

"[Frieden] has daily contact with the media in open forums and speaks in plain language," Reynolds wrote in an email.

"I don’t see a mixed message in acknowledging that progress is being made," she continued. "A committed leader is going to acknowledge what is going right, correct what isn’t and warn about the hard job ahead."

Reynolds wrote, "As a risk communication expert myself ... I’ve been teaching for more than 15 years that 'the right person, at the right time, with the right message can saves lives.' I’ve seen it go wrong in the past. Today, I’m seeing it go right."

[boracayjohnny]

Anyone have their GTFO bag packed just in case? Tim has the right idea, an island is a great limiter for lots of situations.

[island14]

Anyone have their GTFO bag packed just in case? Tim has the right idea, an island is a great limiter for lots of situations.

It is some scary shit.. and I have been thinking about it quite a bit the past few days :yesnod:

I was researching yesterday to see if there were any reported cases in the Philippines yet, so far I do not think there are.

There is a lot of risk here also though, as there are quite a few Filipinos working abroad in those areas, and many working on ships that go to the high risk areas also.

They recently quarantined a few people that came from that part of the world, and luckily turned out none of them had it, but I was happy to hear they are at least serious enough about it.. to not let them in without being sure.

A lot of the guys on ships wont be going through immigration like they do when traveling by air though.

If ebola would get to this country I think it would spiral out of control like it has in the other poor third world countries.

They don't have the funds, or the facilities, to treat it. and most people can't afford to go to a hospital, or see a doctor

People here also move around a lot, and quite a few go back and forth from here to Cebu City daily, so it might take a little while longer to get here, but it could easily come here to our island.

I was just thinking what would I do if I heard it was in Cebu City?

Maybe I would keep my kids in the house and not allow any visitors, but you still have to go out to get food, and who is to say that someone infected didn't touch that can of sardines you just bought, or had the money you paid for it with, or the change in their sweaty hands?

[Bill]

Here's the thing.....even in the third world countries it is in, it isn't killing millions. How many are dead since things ramped up? 3-4K? I heard somewhere that the mortality rate is about 50%, so that means at most 8K infected? All in all, that really isn't a blip on the radar, unless somebody you actually know is among those folks.

I'm thinking there is more hype than actual danger here. Of course, I am not planning on going to Dallas any time soon. :bill_daniels:


Edit: I would support a quarantine of travelers from the effected areas, but even that would be window dressing. People could and would lie to avoid the expense and inconvenience of being quarantined by flying through other areas first, or, at worst, by just flying to Mexico and wading across the Rio Grande. Just like the rest of the TSA kabuki theatre, anything they do will be window dressing.

[wwomanC6]

Anyone have their GTFO bag packed just in case? Tim has the right idea, an island is a great limiter for lots of situations.

No bag, but stocked up on groceries yesterday in case there is a panic around here or lock down if it gets out of control.

However I feel they have it under control for now.

[island14]

No bag, but stocked up on groceries yesterday in case there is a panic around here or lock down if it gets out of control.

However I feel they have it under control for now.

I sure hope so..

But wouldn't you feel better if they quarantined everyone that he came into contact with just to be sure?

Yea 21 days would be an inconvenience and a pain for them, but when you look at possibly saving many lives it would have to be worth it.

[boracayjohnny]

No bag, but stocked up on groceries yesterday in case there is a panic around here or lock down if it gets out of control.

However I feel they have it under control for now.

:seasix:

The thing I'm worried about is not doing enough before it becomes too late. Maybe I'm being a little paranoid but I sure hope that's all it is.

[Fasglas]

I sure hope so..

But wouldn't you feel better if they quarantined everyone that he came into contact with just to be sure?

Yea 21 days would be an inconvenience and a pain for them, but when you look at possibly saving many lives it would have to be worth it.

Inconvenience? Just tell 'em it's For The Children as is said for everthing else...

[SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84]

They said today that the nurse with the new case had a "breach in protocol"
regarding her protective gear. That could mean anything ..

Remember, Prez Obola (Typhoid Barry), has rendered our southern border
porous as a sponge glove and the feds are sending these untested invaders into all 57 states!