It's Official: F-35 Not Flying To Farnborough

[Superstreet]

Wow!

It's Official: F-35 Not Flying To Farnborough | Defense News | defensenews.com (http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140715/SHOWSCOUT15/307150028/It-s-Official-F-35-Not-Flying-Farnborough)

[DAB]

A plane that does not fly is a tank with no armor. Rather useless.

[Joecooool]

Virtually everyone I know in the defense industry is absolutely disgusted with this shit program. It replaces specialized aircraft that were already proven top of the line fighters, bombers, ground attack, etc., with a Swiss army knife approach that won't be great at anything.

The life cycle cost of this shitty plane is going to be about 1.5 TRILLION dollars.

That is $1,500,000,000,000. A Nimitz class aircraft carrier cost 6.2 billion. We could have bought almost 250 aircraft carriers for what we are going to spend on 2400 aircraft.

When the project was approved the cost was going to be $233 billion.

Thousands of other needed defense programs are being cut back or eliminated because of this aircraft. I have hundreds of customers that can't even buy a $100 hose because the F35 program is so resource intensive.

Why? Because the ****tard politicians have been paid off. Lockheed spent $15.3 million on lobbyist in 2012 alone. Lockheed made sure to spread the manufacturing around, and at least some part of the plane is made in 45 states. They did that so no politician would kill the program generating jobs in their districts.

They didn't even get hit in the sequester!

If you are more inclined to read about this piece of shit, here you go -

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run? | The Great Debate (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/14/pentagons-big-budget-f-35-fighter-cant-turn-cant-climb-cant-run/)

[Superstreet]

Virtually everyone I know in the defense industry is absolutely disgusted with this shit program. It replaces specialized aircraft that were already proven top of the line fighters, bombers, ground attack, etc., with a Swiss army knife approach that won't be great at anything.

The life cycle cost of this shitty plane is going to be about 1.5 TRILLION dollars.

That is $1,500,000,000,000. A Nimitz class aircraft carrier cost 6.2 billion. We could have bought almost 250 aircraft carriers for what we are going to spend on 2400 aircraft.

When the project was approved the cost was going to be $233 billion.

Thousands of other needed defense programs are being cut back or eliminated because of this aircraft. I have hundreds of customers that can't even buy a $100 hose because the F35 program is so resource intensive.

Why? Because the ****tard politicians have been paid off. Lockheed spent $15.3 million on lobbyist in 2012 alone. Lockheed made sure to spread the manufacturing around, and at least some part of the plane is made in 45 states. They did that so no politician would kill the program generating jobs in their districts.

They didn't even get hit in the sequester!

If you are more inclined to read about this piece of shit, here you go -

Pentagon?s big budget F-35 fighter ?can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run? | The Great Debate (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/14/pentagons-big-budget-f-35-fighter-cant-turn-cant-climb-cant-run/)


:iagree: AV8-B, A-10, and trying to replace F-15 and F-18.

[Admiral Blue]

The life cycle cost of this shitty plane is going to be about 1.5 TRILLION dollars.

That is $1,500,000,000,000. A Nimitz class aircraft carrier cost 6.2 billion. We could have bought almost 250 aircraft carriers for what we are going to spend on 2400 aircraft.

When the project was approved the cost was going to be $233 billion.

That is ASTOUNDING. Accountability? Not a lick of it.

We are all at fault for putting up with this constant garbage.

[DukeAllen]

For once I have to agree with JC on something. We should have cut our losses at least 5 years ago. I'd rather see them produce more F-22s than this POS. Hell, putting the money into new build F-15,16s would be a better use of the dollars.

[Iron Chef]

We should have cut our losses at least 10 years ago. I'd rather see them produce more F-22s than this POS.

Fixed.

Actually the F-22 is a kick-ass plane. Fast, maneuverable and damn near invisible.

[Superstreet]

For once I have to agree with JC on something. We should have cut our losses at least 5 years ago. I'd rather see them produce more F-22s than this POS. Hell, putting the money into new build F-15,16s would be a better use of the dollars.

And the F/A-18 Growler which has electronic attack warfare capabilities,proven air frame and is about 1/3 the cost of an F-35.

[Kevin_73]

McNamara tried to build an all purpose/all services military jet back in the 60's with the F-111. It was a bad idea then, and it is still a bad idea today.

[DAB]

we have learned nothing from WW2. we didn't have better tanks or planes, but we could make them faster than they were destroyed, Germany couldn't do likewise.

now we might have one plane done before the war is over. and then it's too valuable to use in combat, so we just rag it out 'training'. and our enemies get by with AKs and whatever else they can steal and weld to the bed of a pickup truck.

[Calif Vetteman]

Maybe a letter to 60 minutes or 2020, might bring this fiasco to light. Maybe?

[ApexOversteer]

Not going to Farnborough will save us having to build extra ones to sell... :leaving:

[DAB]

Not going to Farnborough will save us having to build extra ones to sell... :leaving:

it would be a very long wait list. :toetap:

[RedLS1GTO]

It is crazy to think that there will likely be 30 something year old airframes by the time this things becomes operational... if it ever does.


What I am about to say is not at all in defense of the cluster f*ck known as the JSF program. It was a lie from day 1 and NOBODY believed that it would deliver on the proposed $35mil/per number that was originally given.

With that said, if you look at the timeline (not the cost) of the F-14... it really isn't that far off. The RFP was issued in July 1968. Yes, it became operational in 1974, but it wasn't until the F-14B in late 1987 that it became the fighter we all look at fondly as opposed to a death trap for pilots (and Goose :leaving:) To get a more realistic timeline, you actually have to go all the way back to the TFX program (F-111) that began in 1961.

Look at just the numbers... 1961 to 1987. 26 years from concept to reality for the F-14. Again, not a defense of JSF, just a point of perspective.