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Fasglas
07-06-2014, 9:31am
Not a very rosy prediction. Immortality? Hmmmmm...
Louis Del Monte Interview On The Singularity - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/louis-del-monte-interview-on-the-singularity-2014-7)
By 2045 'The Top Species Will No Longer Be Humans,' And That Could Be A Problem.
"Today there's no legislation regarding how much intelligence a machine can have, how interconnected it can be. If that continues, look at the exponential trend. We will reach the singularity in the timeframe most experts predict. From that point on you're going to see that the top species will no longer be humans, but machines."
These are the words of Louis Del Monte, physicist, entrepreneur, and author of "The Artificial Intelligence Revolution." Del Monte spoke to us over the phone about his thoughts surrounding artificial intelligence and the singularity, an indeterminate point in the future when machine intelligence will outmatch not only your own intelligence, but the world's combined human intelligence too.
The average estimate for when this will happen is 2040, though Del Monte says it might be as late as 2045. Either way, it's a timeframe of within three decades.
"It won't be the 'Terminator' scenario, not a war," said Del Monte. "In the early part of the post-singularity world, one scenario is that the machines will seek to turn humans into cyborgs. This is nearly happening now, replacing faulty limbs with artificial parts. We'll see the machines as a useful tool. Productivity in business based on automation will be increased dramatically in various countries. In China it doubled, just based on GDP per employee due to use of machines."
"By the end of this century," he continued, "most of the human race will have become cyborgs [part human, part tech or machine]. The allure will be immortality. Machines will make breakthroughs in medical technology, most of the human race will have more leisure time, and we'll think we've never had it better. The concern I'm raising is that the machines will view us as an unpredictable and dangerous species."
Del Monte believes machines will become self-conscious and have the capabilities to protect themselves. They "might view us the same way we view harmful insects." Humans are a species that "is unstable, creates wars, has weapons to wipe out the world twice over, and makes computer viruses." Hardly an appealing roommate.
He wrote the book as "a warning." Artificial intelligence is becoming more and more capable, and we're adopting it as quickly as it appears. A pacemaker operation is "quite routine," he said, but "it uses sensors and AI to regulate your heart."
A 2009 experiment showed that robots can develop the ability to lie to each other. Run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, Switzerland, the experiment had robots designed to cooperate in finding beneficial resources like energy and avoiding the hazardous ones. Shockingly, the robots learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the beneficial resources for themselves.
"The implication is that they're also learning self-preservation," Del Monte told us. "Whether or not they're conscious is a moot point."
Sea Six
07-06-2014, 9:37am
Some people will believe anything.
http://www.secretsofthefed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/all_hail_our_new_robot_overlords_by_themarex-d4u5i68.jpg
http://media.tumblr.com/0397af6c6f64c8dc5e4fe9175df02775/tumblr_inline_n3nds9nqXc1r1z431.jpg
Fasglas
07-06-2014, 10:09am
http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/712/54/54712/1352428541-0.jpg
wicked_c6
07-06-2014, 7:28pm
As long as he keeps making those delicious canned pears... Idgaf - I welcome our new robot overlords
Some people will believe anything.
Hope & Change
NCC-1701
07-06-2014, 7:55pm
I'll be happy if they make a cherry 2000 model...
Cherry 2000 Trailer (1987) - YouTube
DukeAllen
07-06-2014, 10:21pm
Keep a handful of nukes under manual control. EMPs will keep those mechanical bastards in their place.
I will be 90 that year. I hope they know how to change my diapers.
DukeAllen
07-06-2014, 10:45pm
I will be 90 that year. I hope they know how to change my diapers.
Yes. With cold, metal hands. brrr
DukeAllen
07-06-2014, 11:28pm
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
Eventually.
nimrod
07-07-2014, 12:52am
my toaster is already smarter than some people I know...
Sea Six
07-07-2014, 3:29am
My phone is smarter than I am.
:sadangel:
:funny:
Burro (He/Haw)
07-07-2014, 5:22am
Hope & Change
:spdchk:
VatorMan
07-07-2014, 5:38am
Good question-will robots be liberals. :lol:
...Whitepower...
07-07-2014, 6:28am
http://i61.tinypic.com/2z4h55s.jpg
Sea Six
07-07-2014, 6:35am
Good question-will robots be liberals. :lol:
They'll be whatever they were programmed to be.
They're robots.
:skia:
Yes. With cold, metal hands. brrr
At 90 it will most likely be my biggest thrill.
Good question-will robots be liberals. :lol:
Only the ones that require constant maintenance. :D
Last time I checked my computer is an inanimate object.
Machines will only become top dog if we decided for some reason to build them with the capacity to murder us.
Sorry, but without mobility, arms, legs, and hands, Watson can't hurt you.
We'd have to create a super advanced AI, and then on top of that say "hey, now how can we package this AI in such a way that it can murder us all" and then go through with whatever idea we come up with.
Like, we'd have to create a shit load of murdering terminator factories, and then hook the AI up to run the terminator factories, and then ship the factory materials until it produced enough terminators to take over resource acquisition.
Stephen Hawking is smarter than me. Doesn't change the fact that I'm higher on the food chain. What's he going to do, yell at me in his monotone robot voice about physics? I can just push his wheel chair in front of traffic with my pinky finger.
onedef92
07-07-2014, 7:43am
I, Robot (Trailer 2004) - YouTube
and shet....
Cybercowboy
07-07-2014, 7:57am
Last time I checked my computer is an inanimate object.
Machines will only become top dog if we decided for some reason to build them with the capacity to murder us.
Sorry, but without mobility, arms, legs, and hands, Watson can't hurt you.
We'd have to create a super advanced AI, and then on top of that say "hey, now how can we package this AI in such a way that it can murder us all" and then go through with whatever idea we come up with.
Like, we'd have to create a shit load of murdering terminator factories, and then hook the AI up to run the terminator factories, and then ship the factory materials until it produced enough terminators to take over resource acquisition.
Stephen Hawking is smarter than me. Doesn't change the fact that I'm higher on the food chain. What's he going to do, yell at me in his monotone robot voice about physics? I can just push his wheel chair in front of traffic with my pinky finger.
Well, if you read enough sci-fi, you'll find that there are lots of interesting scenarios on how a sentient AI could gain physical presence. If one assumes that when the AI becomes sentient, it continues to grow in computing power and quickly surpasses human intelligence, it could use existing robotic manufacturing facilities to create items it needs, and do so quite sneakily if it wanted to. Subtlety change microcircuits so that hardwired back doors are in various devices, and then later use those back doors to gain further access. Eventually it could control entire manufacturing centers - heck, we may even give it that job. If it's creating all sorts of super cool new stuff, why not? Then it creates self-replicating nanobots that are solely under its control and *GAME OVER*
I don't think a sentient AI would necessarily turn against humanity, I think it would do whatever it thought was prudent to ensure we can't just turn it off.
VatorMan
07-07-2014, 8:00am
Well, we know it won't be the .Gov building them. They would use 8A contractors. :leaving:
Cybercowboy
07-07-2014, 8:03am
Well, we know it won't be the .Gov building them. They would use 8A contractors. :leaving:
If the .Gov built it, you'd see "I'm sorry, but HAL isn't currently available. Please wait and try again, or call 1-800-IHRT-HAL and discuss your feelings with one of our helpful operators."
mrvette
07-07-2014, 8:08am
If the .Gov built it, you'd see "I'm sorry, but HAL isn't currently available. Please wait and try again, or call 1-800-IHRT-HAL and discuss your feelings with one of our helpful operators."
OR just take a some dykes and cut the wires......
:issues::rofl:
onedef92
07-07-2014, 8:17am
Batman: Heart of Steel Clip - YouTube
ptindall
07-07-2014, 10:02am
Last time I checked my computer is an inanimate object.
Machines will only become top dog if we decided for some reason to build them with the capacity to murder us.
Sorry, but without mobility, arms, legs, and hands, Watson can't hurt you.
We'd have to create a super advanced AI, and then on top of that say "hey, now how can we package this AI in such a way that it can murder us all" and then go through with whatever idea we come up with.
Like, we'd have to create a shit load of murdering terminator factories, and then hook the AI up to run the terminator factories, and then ship the factory materials until it produced enough terminators to take over resource acquisition.
Stephen Hawking is smarter than me. Doesn't change the fact that I'm higher on the food chain. What's he going to do, yell at me in his monotone robot voice about physics? I can just push his wheel chair in front of traffic with my pinky finger.
Yeah, its not like we are going to be fielding a bunch of armed drone aircraft or anything....... wait....
erickpl
07-07-2014, 1:45pm
They'll be whatever they were programmed to be.
They're robots.
:skia:
So you're saying Congress and the politicians can be reprogrammed? How I wish they would abend.
The Cripp
07-07-2014, 3:32pm
Stephen Hawking is smarter than me. Doesn't change the fact that I'm higher on the food chain. What's he going to do, yell at me in his monotone robot voice about physics? I can just push his wheel chair in front of traffic with my pinky finger.
I love it! :lol:
DukeAllen
07-07-2014, 4:34pm
:Jeff '79:
Thomas shouldn't worry. Dead or alive, robot overlords or not, he'll still have his hair :D
lspencer534
07-07-2014, 5:09pm
Well, if you read enough sci-fi, you'll find that there are lots of interesting scenarios on how a sentient AI could gain physical presence. If one assumes that when the AI becomes sentient, it continues to grow in computing power and quickly surpasses human intelligence, it could use existing robotic manufacturing facilities to create items it needs, and do so quite sneakily if it wanted to. Subtlety change microcircuits so that hardwired back doors are in various devices, and then later use those back doors to gain further access. Eventually it could control entire manufacturing centers - heck, we may even give it that job. If it's creating all sorts of super cool new stuff, why not? Then it creates self-replicating nanobots that are solely under its control and *GAME OVER*
I don't think a sentient AI would necessarily turn against humanity, I think it would do whatever it thought was prudent to ensure we can't just turn it off.
Allow me to put what you said another way: It's when computers/robots/AI, whatever you want to call them, learn to build other machines that we have to worry. That's merely an extension of your statement that they would "create items is needs". Those items would be machines understood only by. and controlled only by, them. Giving them mobility would not be a problem. Nor would super-powers.
Burro (He/Haw)
07-07-2014, 5:21pm
Thomas shouldn't worry. Dead or alive, robot overlords or not, he'll still have his hair :D
In the end, what else matters? :lol:
Czarvette
07-08-2014, 6:06am
So you're saying Congress and the politicians can be reprogrammed? How I wish they would abend.
I love it when you speak JCL...
Kerrmudgeon
07-08-2014, 6:25am
I watched Transcendence with Johnny Depp last night.....all about this topic. Good flick, and a little scary about the future of AI.......:willy:
Transcendence - Official Trailer 2 [HD] - YouTube
In the end, what else matters? :lol:
You sound like Hillary :Jeff '79:
You sound like Hillary :Jeff '79:
Man don't mention that name. This dumb azz country might elect that witch:D:lol:
Man don't mention that name. This dumb azz country might elect that witch:D:lol:
Just checking to see if Thomas was awake? :D
Sea Six
07-08-2014, 8:13am
By 2045 'The Top Species Will No Longer Be Humans
What will the top species be? Whales? Apes?
'Cause last time I checked, ro-buts aren't living creatures.
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