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Bill
05-08-2014, 8:51pm
http://news.yahoo.com/us-voices-concerns-sale-french-warships-russia-181201334.html



US voices 'concerns' at sale of French warships to Russia


AFP
By Nicolas Revise
7 hours ago

Washington (AFP) - US officials voiced concern Thursday at the sale of French warships to Moscow as they mulled tougher sanctions on Russia for the political upheaval triggered by the Ukraine crisis.

"We have regularly and consistently expressed our concerns about this sale even before we had the latest Russian actions and we will continue to do so," Assistant Secretary for Europe Victoria Nuland told US lawmakers ahead of a visit next week to Washington by French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

The first of two Mistral warships is not due to be delivered to Russia until later this year, and France has so far resisted pressure to suspend the controversial $1.2 billion contract.

The Mistral is an advanced helicopter assault ship and France's 2011 agreement to sell them to Russia already triggered protests from the United States and other NATO allies.

The first, named the Vladivostok, is due to be delivered in October, while the second, "The Sebastopol" is to be delivered in 2015 and stationed with the Russian Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea -- annexed by Moscow in March.

Lawmakers also pushed for France to halt the sale, saying it would be a clear sign of global anger at what they said was the "aggression" of Russian President Vladimir Putin toward Ukraine.

"If we increase NATO defense spending while joining in a coordinated embargo on all arms sales to Russia, including halting the sale of two French-built Mistral amphibious ships, it will send a clear message to Putin that he will not be allowed to trample on the rights of his neighbors," Congressman Eliot Engel, a Democrat, told the House Foreign Affairs committee.

"I'm not here to bash the French, but I think this is a time when the French could stop that sale from happening and send a very strong message to the Russians," added Republican lawmaker Adam Kinzinger.

But French officials reacted with astonishment, denying that US officials had expressed worries over the contract.

"The United States, like the Europeans, have never voiced privately any concerns about this," a French government official told AFP, asking not to be identified.

"And we are anyway used to such thundering declarations from her (Nuland). She's a neo-con. And the fact that it comes from her is actually reassuring."

Fabius is still likely to come under pressure from US officials during his visit to the US capital next week, although he did say in late March that Paris may cancel the Mistral sale if Moscow does not change its policies towards Kiev.

French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, however, said that month "the question" of whether to suspend the sale "will arise in October" and that any decision was postponed until then.


- Sanctions 'scalpel not hammer'-


The United States and its European Union allies are mulling whether to impose deeper sectoral sanctions on Moscow for its annexation of Ukraine's southern Crimea peninsula and its interference in eastern Ukraine. They would include sanctions against its key banking, energy and mining sectors.

"The idea here is... to use the scalpel rather than a hammer to focus primarily on high tech and other investment where Russia needs us far more than we need Russia," Nuland said.

"The approach would also involve taking a sectoral slice across a bunch of different sectors at the same time such that the pain is shared among sectors of the economy and to help keep Europeans together because different ones are vulnerable in different sectors."

She reminded lawmakers that European nations had closer economic ties with Russia than the United States "so they are far more vulnerable."

"Whereas Europe trades nine percent with Russia, Russia's trade is 50 percent based in Europe," Nuland told the committee.

Ruffy
05-08-2014, 8:52pm
French war ships? I didn't know they made weapons-grade crepes

DAB
05-08-2014, 9:01pm
And they come with a full compliment of white flags.

99 pewtercoupe
05-08-2014, 9:05pm
Dassault has been making some very high quality aircraft for years.
http://i61.tinypic.com/mjnti0.jpg

Not quite on a level to go toe to toe with our latest but nothing to sneeze at either.

Frizzle
05-08-2014, 9:14pm
Already surrendering...

OddBall
05-08-2014, 9:23pm
Can we toss them out of NATO?
I mean, if they are going to sell warships to the country that created the need for NATO in the first place...:rolleyes:

DukeAllen
05-08-2014, 10:32pm
I have trouble taking France seriously.
Text / The Complete Military History of France (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html)

onedef92
05-09-2014, 8:26am
I have trouble taking France seriously.
Text / The Complete Military History of France (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html)

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Bill
05-09-2014, 9:02am
And they come with a full compliment of white flags.

My, those are awfully nice flags!

Joecooool
05-09-2014, 9:26am
Wow, that's some one sided shit.

Where is the outrage at all the US corporations still doing business with Russia? Our guys are buying rocket engines from them and the Pentagon just awarded a billion dollar contract for Russian helicopters - over Boeing - for Afghanistan.

And for the record, France was right about going to war with Iraq.

Bill
05-09-2014, 9:28am
Wow, that's some one sided shit.

Where is the outrage at all the US corporations still doing business with Russia? Our guys are buying rocket engines from them and the Pentagon just awarded a billion dollar contract for Russian helicopters - over Boeing - for Afghanistan.

And for the record, France was right about going to war with Iraq.

:iagree:

....especially about war against Iraq.

CertInsaneC5
05-09-2014, 9:29am
It will never happen. We are already putting pressure on the frogs. They will cancel this whole thing. I would be willing to bet money on it.

:slap: :D :cert:

RedLS1GTO
05-09-2014, 9:49am
Dassault has been making some very high quality aircraft for years.
http://i61.tinypic.com/mjnti0.jpg

Not quite on a level to go toe to toe with our latest but nothing to sneeze at either.

...and let's not forget about the Exocet, which is perhaps the deadliest anti-ship weapon in the history of the planet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Exocet_AM39_P1220892-detoured.jpg

Any person who has ever been on a warship has been, or should have been terrified of the day that 1 of those things came your way.

onedef92
05-09-2014, 12:49pm
...and let's not forget about the Exocet, which is perhaps the deadliest anti-ship weapon in the history of the planet.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Exocet_AM39_P1220892-detoured.jpg

Any person who has ever been on a warship has been, or should have been terrified of the day that 1 of those things came your way.

Awesome View of 20mm Phalanx CIWS Shooting Down Missile! - YouTube

Can't a 20 mm Phalanx CIWS scare the stool outta' that thing? :confused5:

RedLS1GTO
05-09-2014, 1:06pm
Can't a 20 mm Phalanx CIWS scare the stool outta' that thing? :confused5:

If they were sitting there waiting for it...

1? Maybe.

2? Possibly.

Full on attack, not a chance.

Without warning, HIGHLY unlikely.

When CIWS works, it's a pretty awesome thing to watch. Problem is, it has a tendency to break. They haven't even been putting it on ships since 2002(?). Reliability was a big factor in that.

Probability of kill against an Exocet is nowhere near high enough to make me comfortable, even with our latest and greatest. They fly low and fast. The final approach comes in as low as 6-10 feet ASL. :eek: They are VERY hard to detect, and even harder to kill.

Simply put... they are NASTY missiles.

MikeB
05-10-2014, 7:55am
French war ships? I didn't know they made weapons-grade crepes

Frech Warships.
Jumbo Shrimp.

Sounds oxymoronic.

mrvette
05-10-2014, 9:02am
Wow, that's some one sided shit.

Where is the outrage at all the US corporations still doing business with Russia? Our guys are buying rocket engines from them and the Pentagon just awarded a billion dollar contract for Russian helicopters - over Boeing - for Afghanistan.

And for the record, France was right about going to war with Iraq.

Well, Sadass was running a well organized subterfuge on having WMD's, all he had was some left over chem weapons, and not much else......his ploy was running against IRAN, but the last people he could trust with the truth was the USA STATE Dept.....tell them the truth, it's on ALL the media within 24 hours.....so he took a calculated gamble, and lost it ALL.....:leaving:

Strats-N-Vettes
05-10-2014, 9:25am
71million + NASA = Russian $$ to buy French Warships

Fasglas
05-10-2014, 10:19am
Odd looking thing. Is that a pre-installed white flag?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ej5kQwZWlzM/TSMfLEV42MI/AAAAAAAABZE/u4l_ZqKysTE/s400/France_Mistral_class_assault_warships.jpg