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Bill
02-28-2014, 9:04pm
Court OK's High School Ban on American Flag T-Shirts

By Sarah B. Weir, Shine Senior Writer | Parenting – 8 hours ago..

In a case that pits individual rights against kids' safety, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on Thursday that it was appropriate for school officials to ban students at a San Jose, California, area high school from wearing American flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo. The May 5th holiday, popular in the United States but largely unrecognized in Mexico, commemorates the 1862 Battle of Puebla and celebrates Mexican culture, heritage, and pride.

The ruling stems from a controversial incident in 2010 when five students were told by administrators at Live Oak High School (which has a history of racial tension and gang violence) to either turn their American flag T-shirts inside out or go home. In a unanimous decision, the court cited two instances where students had been threatened with violence for wearing the flag. In 2009, some students of Mexican descent told an assistant principal they would "f--- up" other kids who were chanting "USA" around a flag they had hung from a tree on the school campus. The next year, students wearing the flag tees were warned by text messages and phone calls that gang members would come to the school and beat them up. Because only shirts with the American flag were targeted, school officials didn't ban shirts bearing images of other countries' flags, including the Mexican flag. In response to the ban, a group of parents sued the district, alleging violation of the teens' First Amendment rights. The school district has not responded to Yahoo Shine's request for comment.

The court pointed out that under previous law, it is indeed legal to restrict high school students' free speech because of safety concerns. The Live Oak dress code also states, "The school has the right to request that any student dressing inappropriately for school will change into other clothes, be sent home to change, and/or be subject to disciplinary action." Writing for the panel of three judges, 9th Circuit Judge M. Margaret McKeown stated, "Our role is not to second-guess the decision to have a Cinco de Mayo celebration or the precautions put in place to avoid violence. ... [The events] made it reasonable for school officials to proceed as though the threat of a potentially violent disturbance was real." However, some parents are still threatening to take the case all the way to the Supreme Court. "This is the United States of America," Kendall Jones, whose son was one of the students banned from wearing a shirt depicting the American flag, told the San Jose Mercury News. "The idea that it's offensive to wear patriotic clothing … regardless of what day it is, is unconscionable to me."

School clothing bans have become common across the country in recent years, as administrators have cracked down on everything from leggings to NRA T-shirts to UGGS. Last year a Michigan school told middle-schoolers who were wearing T-shirts memorializing a friend who had died from leukemia to change tops or cover up the friend's name printed on the shirt (administrators later apologized and reversed their decision). Not surprisingly, the American flag T-shirt case is particularly controversial and has strong supporters on both sides of the issue.

The court ruling appears to be on firm ground because of legal precedent, but blogging about the case, Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at UCLA and specialist in free speech, says it's about far more than T-shirts and that there are some serious issues at stake. "This is a classic 'heckler's veto' — thugs threatening to attack the speaker, and government officials suppressing the speech to prevent such violence," he wrote. "The school taught its students a simple lesson: If you dislike speech and want it suppressed, then you can get what you want by threatening violence against the speakers." However, after the decision, school district superintendent Steve Betando said he felt "relieved." From his point of view in the trenches of a challenged school, the court gave administrators the power to avert potential harm to their students.


Es chingar.

DukeAllen
02-28-2014, 9:16pm
We need to impeach all of the surrender monkeys.

SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84
02-28-2014, 10:47pm
Steve Betando and the administrators at Live Oak High School are spineless traitors. Go to Mexico if you love their flag over the US flag.

9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals + California= Lefties win!

Chris Fowler
02-28-2014, 11:45pm
99% of the time you are correct. :yesnod:
And that hundredth ruling is always a complete shock! :willy:

Fasglas
03-01-2014, 2:03am
The May 5th holiday, popular in the United States but largely unrecognized in Mexico, blah, blah, blah.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/nbr3bagshotrow/Smilies/smiley_nutkick_ani.gif

EVERYONE in that school should show up, dressed appropriately, on 05 May.

http://www.united-states-flag.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/f/l/flgfapp1000019061_-00_american-flag-t-shirt-patriotism.jpg

LATB
03-01-2014, 5:13pm
Uniform ALL public school students.

Done.

Sea Six
03-01-2014, 5:24pm
How about banning Cinco De Mayo celebrations on school property and at all extra-curricular school functions?

Bill
03-02-2014, 10:22am
How about banning Cinco De Mayo celebrations on school property and at all extra-curricular school functions?

I'd be OK with that, with the exception of Spanish foreign language classes and clubs. Learning a language includes learning about other cultures, and, for better or worse, Mexican culture is an important part of the Spanish language in this area. Even if you are teaching Castillian (i.e. "real" Spanish), you can't pretend that the Spanish speakers of Central and South America do not exist.

C5SilverBullet
03-03-2014, 12:24am
Mexican's don't even celebrate cinco...

MrPeabody
03-03-2014, 12:40am
You know who celebrates Cinco De Mayo? Same people that celebrate St Patrick's day.

Beer distributors.

SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84
03-03-2014, 2:29am
How about banning Cinco De Mayo celebrations on school property and at all extra-curricular school functions?

:iagree:

Along with "La Raza" and all it's members...

island14
03-03-2014, 4:06am
You know who celebrates Cinco De Mayo? Same people that celebrate St Patrick's day.

Beer distributors.


Thanks for bringing point that up, Now I will celebrate it with Rhum.. :datawiz:


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island14
03-03-2014, 4:17am
Surprised no one mentioned it...

But doesn't it seem a bit disrespectful to our flag to just have it on a T-shirt? :island14:

Wasn't long ago that Abbie Hoffman was arrested on a desecration charge for wearing a shirt resembling the U.S. flag.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hIg8Dd0l7_8/TVs6nQay5cI/AAAAAAAAE_M/lsk3ZZg1UTE/s400/abbie-hoffman2-2.jpg




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Bill
03-03-2014, 7:13am
Surprised no one mentioned it...

But doesn't it seem a bit disrespectful to our flag to just have it on a T-shirt? :island14:

Wasn't long ago that Abbie Hoffman was arrested on a desecration charge for wearing a shirt resembling the U.S. flag.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hIg8Dd0l7_8/TVs6nQay5cI/AAAAAAAAE_M/lsk3ZZg1UTE/s400/abbie-hoffman2-2.jpg




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When someone we don't like is wearing one, it's disrespectful. When someone we agree with is wearing one, it's a perfectly acceptable statement of patriotism.

Shrike6
03-03-2014, 7:23am
The intent is what matters. If Abbie Hoffman wears the flag, it is desecrated.
If I ever wear the Mexican flag on my clothing, it won't be visible when I am seated.

LATB
03-03-2014, 8:11am
Uh no.

Common sense ALL public schools, kick out the brainwashing a-hats from the top down and get back to reading, writing and arithmetic.

Uniforms are for wussy schools who can't deal with people being different.

I understand your point. But public schools are out of control. Uniforms...or a strict dress code would go a long way toward restoring order and discipline.

Once order has been re established, them the reading writing and arithmetic can again begin.

Of course vouchers would be THE answer. Parent A could send their kid to the school w uniforms. Parent B could send their kid to the one with flip flops and t-shirts that say "fuk America" on them.