Does ...Whitepower... have a point?

[lspencer534]

In another thread he says that he doesn't come here as much because threads get politicized and because of that VBOT just isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Is he right? Personally I don't mind if a thread turns political, but then again I have a strong "Ignore" button. Let us know what your thoughts are.

BTW, Whitepower, I'm not criticizing or picking on you. My question is an honest one.

[Fastguy]

Everyone comes here for different reasons, but I believe most come here for entertainment. If it's not entertaining or fun, people will drift away.

[Millenium Vette]

Yes, he is 100% right. About both the political aspect, and I have been guilty of participating in those threads, and the fact it isn't much fun any more.

[mrvette]

Everyone comes here for different reasons, but I believe most come here for entertainment. If it's not entertaining or fun, people will drift away.

Yeh, that's about it....honestly.....


BUT, I am proudly right wing of Uncle Barry Goldwater.....


and VIOLENTLY anti socialist/nazi/commie......

:seasix::hurray:

[Bill]

Many people find political discourse entertaining. Many more do not. I believe that we are not-so-subtly running people off by not at least trying to leave the political stuff in PR&C. I'm guilty of this myself, as are others here. And for that, I blame.....Will, because somebody needs to be the scapegoat, and it sure as Hell isn't going to be me.

I personally vow to try and do better, or at least to try and steer PR&C mired threads back onto the OT road. So there, that's my new year's resolution....that, and to try and write "2014" on checks I write for the next few months.

[DAB]

It's very hard to avoid threads that aren't interesting.

And the posting fees for starting a thread are too onerous.

:DAB:

[Millenium Vette]

It's not just the political stuff. I learned not to post anything personal on here. I really don't care for serious classless remarks about me or my stuff.

[ApexOversteer]

Seems certain folks have decided that the moderation style and level here means they can be assholes to anyone and everyone they wish. They've now all but taken over and are quickly becoming the head of The Clique.

If you go against The Clique, you're now an outsider, unwelcome, and will be driven off.

[Bill]

Seems certain folks have decided that the moderation style and level here means they can be assholes to anyone and everyone they wish. They've now all but taken over and are quickly becoming the head of The Clique.

If you go against The Clique, you're now an outsider, unwelcome, and will be driven off.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2088/2881/1600/pleasantville_34.jpg

[Burro (He/Haw)]

This place has changed dramatically since the big influx of people that migrated over as a result of Liz getting sacked at CFOT.

When the political threads show up and rehash the same shit over and over, I'll admit often I participate simply to hurl insults.

No more. You have my word. :cert:

Thomas

[lspencer534]

Many people find political discourse entertaining. Many more do not. I believe that we are not-so-subtly running people off by not at least trying to leave the political stuff in PR&C. I'm guilty of this myself, as are others here. And for that, I blame.....Will, because somebody needs to be the scapegoat, and it sure as Hell isn't going to be me.

I personally vow to try and do better, or at least to try and steer PR&C mired threads back onto the OT road. So there, that's my new year's resolution....that, and to try and write "2014" on checks I write for the next few months.

I really didn't think politicizing threads was having that negative of an effect, but I've of course been wrong many times before. Bill, I value your opinion, so what are your thoughts on the following?:

1. If we limit OT threads to just fun stuff, isn't that just "cotton candy" fodder? Meaning, we have no controversial nor unusual topics.

2. It seems to me that threads that either start off somewhat political or that end up in that direction have a lot more posts that "most" other threads. Is that because they're interesting or that they're just causing arguments? Or is my observation about those threads having more posts just incorrect?

3. Should the Mods take a more active approach in moving threads?

[Sea Six]

It's very hard to avoid threads that aren't interesting.

And the posting fees for starting a thread are too onerous.

:DAB:

:iagree:


Plus, the threads themselves are odiferous.

[MrPeabody]

PR&C stuff should be moved there. If she's willing, put Sandy in charge of PR&C. She's the best moderator I've ever seen here or at CF. She's fair and does not over-moderate.

And just so you know I'm not kissing moderator's asses, WILL needs to be gone as a moderator. I think he ruined PR&C with that stupid Thunderdome shit.

[ApexOversteer]

I really didn't think politicizing threads was having that negative of an effect, but I've of course been wrong many times before. Bill, I value your opinion, so what are your thoughts on the following?:

1. If we limit OT threads to just fun stuff, isn't that just "cotton candy" fodder? Meaning, we have no controversial nor unusual topics. To my knowledge most of the users here have full control over a device that has the ability to make the "PR&C" section of the forum appear on their screens.

2. It seems to me that threads that either start off somewhat political or that end up in that direction have a lot more posts that "most" other threads. Is that because they're interesting or that they're just causing arguments? Or is my observation about those threads having more posts just incorrect? If that is so, then we're simply on a forum with a political bent, and that should have its own section. Oh wait, it does.

3. Should the Mods take a more active approach in moving threads? Fuh-kin right they should. Single posts too. If the dumbasses can't figure out where they should post their crap, the mods need to help them.

The excuse I like is...

"Buh, buh, but if we move them over to PR&C, nobody will read them."

Really. Doesn't that mean that people don't want to read them?

So you're going to flip them the bird and they'll f*ckin' read your bullshit manifesto in this thread about garden pond goldfish, gaw-dammit.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

1. If we limit OT threads to just fun stuff, isn't that just "cotton candy" fodder? Meaning, we have no controversial nor unusual topics
Controversy is fine. Constant "Obama sucks" and "They're taking my gun!" threads? No really. Interestingly enough, the hardware posts about guns are interesting to a degree. But without fail, someone will politicize it and the information is over.

2. It seems to me that threads that either start off somewhat political or that end up in that direction have a lot more posts that "most" other threads. Is that because they're interesting or that they're just causing arguments? Or is my observation about those threads having more posts just incorrect?
A certain group of posters habitually turn threads political. Even the most inane topics are political chum to several people here.

3. Should the Mods take a more active approach in moving threads?
Yes.

[Bill]

I really didn't think politicizing threads was having that negative of an effect, but I've of course been wrong many times before. Bill, I value your opinion, so what are your thoughts on the following?:

1. If we limit OT threads to just fun stuff, isn't that just "cotton candy" fodder? Meaning, we have no controversial nor unusual topics.

2. It seems to me that threads that either start off somewhat political or that end up in that direction have a lot more posts that "most" other threads. Is that because they're interesting or that they're just causing arguments? Or is my observation about those threads having more posts just incorrect?

3. Should the Mods take a more active approach in moving threads?

Really, it would be better to hear the answers to those questions from those who have wholly or partially dropped out of OT for those answers. Liz was mentioned. I'm one of the folks in the great migration because of her ill treatment at the other place. I think we can all agree that more formal moderation isn't the answer.

In business, it's said that an angry customer is an opportunity.....an opportunity to save a customer and to discover something you might need to improve on. Most customers never give the business an opportunity to try and fix things, or make it right, they just move on. I'd guess that posters on forums like this are the same way. Some, like Liz, become disenchanted, and just leave. Whitepower, on the other hand, presented us an opportunity.....the opportunity to look at ourselves, and maybe self police to keep from hemoraging (sp?) even more members, by asking us to look inward and see if we are still a fun, welcoming group of loveable misfits., or whether we have become a bunch of bitter, joyless, grumpy old guys who turn off anyone who isn't also bitter, joyless, and grumpy.

[MrPeabody]

Controversy is fine. Constant "Obama sucks" and "They're taking my gun!" threads? No really. Interestingly enough, the hardware posts about guns are interesting to a degree. But without fail, someone will politicize it and the information is over.


A certain group of posters habitually turn threads political. Even the most inane topics are political chum to several people here.


Yes.

Agree totally. I'm generally here to have fun, make people laugh and be entertained.

I am also fully capable of putting on my asshole hat and going to PR&C when I want to.

I frequent both sections over at CF. Have for years.

[Norm]

It's not just the political stuff. I learned not to post anything personal on here. I really don't care for serious classless remarks about me or my stuff.

I agree. I learned that the hard way some time ago, so no family pics. The folks that like to post offhand or colorless remarks, just have to get that "gotcha" in there, are the ones that will not come up to your face and say the same thing, especially if it's of a personal nature. Anonymity sure brings out the tough guy in a person.

[ApexOversteer]

Really, it would be better to hear the answers to those questions from those who have wholly or partially dropped out of OT for those answers. Liz was mentioned. I'm one of the folks in the great migration because of her ill treatment at the other place. I think we can all agree that more formal moderation isn't the answer.

In business, it's said that an angry customer is an opportunity.....an opportunity to save a customer and to discover something you might need to improve on. Most customers never give the business an opportunity to try and fix things, or make it right, they just move on. I'd guess that posters on forums like this are the same way. Some, like Liz, become disenchanted, and just leave. Whitepower, on the other hand, presented us an opportunity.....the opportunity to look at ourselves, and maybe self police to keep from hemoraging (sp?) even more members, by asking us to look inward and see if we are still a fun, welcoming group of loveable misfits., or whether we have become a bunch of bitter, joyless, grumpy old guys who turn off anyone who isn't also bitter, joyless, and grumpy.

The problem children won't self police and the minute someone says "Hey now" they'll get ridden like a rented mule until they leave.

[lspencer534]

I agree. I learned that the hard way some time ago, so no family pics. The folks that like to post offhand or colorless remarks, just have to get that "gotcha" in there, are the ones that will not come up to your face and say the same thing, especially if it's of a personal nature. Anonymity sure brings out the tough guy in a person.

Isn't that the norm in any Forum?

[MrPeabody]

Really, it would be better to hear the answers to those questions from those who have wholly or partially dropped out of OT for those answers. Liz was mentioned. I'm one of the folks in the great migration because of her ill treatment at the other place. I think we can all agree that more formal moderation isn't the answer.

In business, it's said that an angry customer is an opportunity.....an opportunity to save a customer and to discover something you might need to improve on. Most customers never give the business an opportunity to try and fix things, or make it right, they just move on. I'd guess that posters on forums like this are the same way. Some, like Liz, become disenchanted, and just leave. Whitepower, on the other hand, presented us an opportunity.....the opportunity to look at ourselves, and maybe self police to keep from hemoraging (sp?) even more members, by asking us to look inward and see if we are still a fun, welcoming group of loveable misfits., or whether we have become a bunch of bitter, joyless, grumpy old guys who turn off anyone who isn't also bitter, joyless, and grumpy.
I see us as the McHale's island of CF. Which could be a very fun thing.

[69camfrk]

Everyone comes here for different reasons, but I believe most come here for entertainment. If it's not entertaining or fun, people will drift away.

You are 100% correct. But, I am definitely guilty of participating in some of the threads that turn political. There are many things out there, that while the origin may not be political, the subject matter has been politicized by the .gov and the media. As humans, we will automatically gravitate to one side or the other, and our opinions will reflect as such. PR&C definitely has its place, but I try to stay out of there for the most part so I don't get wound up. So, Whitepower has a valid point. All of that said, lets get back to fast cars, boobies, and booze!:seasix:

[Norm]

Isn't that the norm in any Forum?

Yeah, you're right. When you think you're having some sort of friendly rapport with another on a forum, then see somewhat of a nasty remark or response from that same individual on one of your posts, you wonder, what I'd do to this guy. Pick your friends wisely.

[Jeff '79]

Everyone comes here for different reasons, but I believe most come here for entertainment. If it's not entertaining or fun, people will drift away.

The holidays have my time spent in other ways so I'm outta here for a bit.

Politicizing threads?
I love when people do that.
I either just avoid them like the plague, or have some OT fun with the offenders.
It's usually the former though.

We need more gun threads. I like those the most.:yesnod:
Why those have tailed off is beyond me.

[lspencer534]

Yeah, you're right. When you think you're having some sort of friendly rapport with another on a forum, then see somewhat of a nasty remark or response from that same individual on one of your posts, you wonder, what I'd do to this guy. Pick your friends wisely.

I think that's why one needs a thick skin on any Forum...so that you can just ignore the assholes who make gratuitous nasty remarks. "I don't know the person who's desperately trying to get attention, so why should I accomodate him?".

[Norm]

The holidays have my time spent in other ways so I'm outta here for a bit.

Politicizing threads?
I love when people do that.
I either just avoid them like the plague, or have some OT fun with the offenders.
It's usually the former though.

We need more gun threads. I like those the most.:yesnod:
Why those have tailed off is beyond me.

Hey.......I only have so many guns to show, need to buy more. I'm working on it...:D

[Jeff '79]

Hey.......I only have so many guns to show, need to buy more. I'm working on it...:D

You're the biggest baller here, so get busy! :D

[VatorMan]

This place has changed dramatically since the big influx of people that migrated over as a result of Liz getting sacked at CFOT.

When the political threads show up and rehash the same shit over and over, I'll admit often I participate simply to hurl insults.

No more. You have my word. :cert:

Thomas

:iagree: and my axe.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

:iagree: and my axe.

Wait a minute. Nobody gets my axe. Nobody. :D

[99 pewtercoupe]

I confess that I have been guilty of politicizing threads in OT before. I received a well deserved slap from a prominent poster here (who will go unnamed) since then I have done my best to avoid that in OT. We have PR&C for those.

[Millenium Vette]

I agree. I learned that the hard way some time ago, so no family pics. The folks that like to post offhand or colorless remarks, just have to get that "gotcha" in there, are the ones that will not come up to your face and say the same thing, especially if it's of a personal nature. Anonymity sure brings out the tough guy in a person.

Isn't that the norm in any Forum?

No. I never see it over at FerrariChat.com or most of the boating forums I frequent.

[Norm]

You're the biggest baller here, so get busy! :D

Looks like I stop off at the gun shop tomorrow, of course, after breakfast with the bahoys. :D

ps: I'm looking for a S&W model 10 police/miltary, 4" barrel, blued, at a reasonable price, naturally.

[ApexOversteer]

No. I never see it over at FerrariChat.com or most of the boating forums I frequent.

Indeed. Hell, you don't want to speak badly of someone's car over at F-Chat, they'll sue you for diminishing the value, and WIN.

[DAB]

If you pee in the coffee maker, don't be surprised when the sugar doesn't have the desired effect.

[Jeff '79]

Looks like I stop off at the gun shop tomorrow, of course, after breakfast with the bahoys.

Of course :rofl:

[09CTSV]

When this forum started up it was a lot of fun. I got to meet a great group of people at the Barn Raising and people didn't even mind I didn't have a Corvette. The forum has taken a turn and some posters make people feel like an outcast. I see the cliques forming here just like they did on CF.
I like the majority of the posts but I agree with Whitepower, the Politics get old quick.

[Mirroredshades]

I personally hate politics and I don't give a flying fcuk about any of your opinions. It's a fools game for simple minds. There's plenty of places where you people can argue with each other. There is a separate forum for that stupid chit. Keep it there. Stay there yourself for all I care.


:kimblair:

[Jeff '79]

When this forum started up it was a lot of fun. I got to meet a great group of people at the Barn Raising and people didn't even mind I didn't have a Corvette. The forum has taken a turn and some posters make people feel like an outcast. I see the cliques forming here just like they did on CF.
I like the majority of the posts but I agree with Whitepower, the Politics get old quick.

I'd have to disagree on the cliques.
Ya, people know other people here, but I think that everyone accepts everyone here.
That Texas thing was pretty aggravating in the past, but we have eliminated that problem....Apparently.:Jeff '79:

[69camfrk]

I like drinking Jim Beam. A lot! IE: gun threads, man, I just got to paranoid putting stuff out there for .gov and criminal consumption.:seasix:

[...Whitepower...]

Seems certain folks have decided that the moderation style and level here means they can be assholes to anyone and everyone they wish. They've now all but taken over and are quickly becoming the head of The Clique.

If you go against The Clique, you're now an outsider, unwelcome, and will be driven off.

Very well said and i agree 100%.

[Grey Ghost]

I skip over the stuff. Didn't we lose LATB, TxAg, and others for limiting or suggesting what they should post? You are never going to make everyone happy. I don't think you should limit or rule what people want to say. That is what happened at CFOT.

The problem is that we don't get enough fresh members here. I doubt politics is the reason.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Didn't we lose LATB, TxAg, and others for limiting or suggesting what they should post?
Not even close on either one.

[Sea Six]

Not even close on either one.

:iagree:

I was going to type up a response but you beat me to it.

[carlton_fritz]

It's not just the political stuff. I learned not to post anything personal on here. I really don't care for serious classless remarks about me or my stuff.
You must not post much at the other place either. http://i43.tinypic.com/11hyyqx.gif

[Jeff '79]

I think Spence and Sea-Six are the problems here.
They're freaks.

Ok, Let's cut to the chase.
I'll start.

[...Whitepower...]

Food for thought guys..

Think of all the people that used to be very active here and that no longer are or post very infrequently.

Marcus left for a while and posts less than he used too.
Rob and Jodi... Pretty much gone.
Kevin less than he used to and Liz is gone.
TXAG... gone
Lars.. gone
Neece...gone
WarEagle.. less and less..
Rotor..gone
Chas...gone
Joe B.. pretty much gone
Pretty much every woman who has ever been here has left.

There are others that have moved on too that are not coming to mind right now.

Is there something we/you are doing to chase them off?

[Grey Ghost]

Not even close on either one.

So we lose people for political stuff and non-political stuff...

[m and t's77]

The problem is that we don't get enough fresh members here. I doubt politics is the reason.

:iagree:

[lspencer534]

I skip over the stuff. Didn't we lose LATB, TxAg, and others for limiting or suggesting what they should post? You are never going to make everyone happy. I don't think you should limit or rule what people want to say. That is what happened at CFOT.

The problem is that we don't get enough fresh members here. I doubt politics is the reason.

I wonder if someone could calculate how many new members we have gained over, say, the last year. Then we could compare that number to the members who no longer post much or at all.

[MrPeabody]

Food for thought guys..

Think of all the people that used to be very active here and that no longer are or post very infrequently.

Marcus left for a while and posts less than he used too.
Rob and Jodi... Pretty much gone.
Kevin less than he used to and Liz is gone.
TXAG... gone
Lars.. gone
Neece...gone
WarEagle.. less and less..
Rotor..gone
Chas...gone
Joe B.. pretty much gone
Pretty much every woman who has ever been here has moved on..

There are others that have moved on too that are not coming to mind right now.

Another that comes to mind is Bucky Threadkiller. I think some of these people, like Bucky, JoeB and Kevin, also don't post over at CF anymore. Which tells me the problem isn't us, they've just moved on from Corvette websites or are using Facebook or whatever.

Something I thing many of us, including myself, are guilty of is being hard on noobs and the ladies. We could use some work in that area.

[Sea Six]

Food for thought guys..

Think of all the people that used to be very active here and that no longer are or post very infrequently.

Marcus left for a while and posts less than he used too.
Rob and Jodi... Pretty much gone.
Kevin less than he used to and Liz is gone.
TXAG... gone Self-banned... for the umpteenth time. He can come back any time he wants to.
Lars.. goneBanned after being warned repeatedly. He didn't know when to stop
Neece...gone
WarEagle.. less and less..
Rotor..gone Banned for being a total prick to scads of people
Chas...goneBanned for being a complete prick
Joe B.. pretty much goneHe still posts here. He himself said his schoolwork combined with odd hours at work would mean he was here less
Pretty much every woman who has ever been here has left.Well, yeah... this one, I'll agree on.

There are others that have moved on too that are not coming to mind right now.

Is there something we/you are doing to chase them off?

Not all of these left because they were driven off. Not by a damned sight.

[American Made]

I'm still here!! :hurray::cert::lol:

Stuart Smalley's famous quote - YouTube

[Jeff '79]

Another that comes to mind is Bucky Threadkiller. I think some of these people, like Bucky, JoeB and Kevin, also don't post over at CF anymore. Which tells me the problem isn't us, they've just moved on from Corvette websites or are using Facebook or whatever.

Something I thing many of us, including myself, are guilty of is being hard on noobs and the ladies. We could use some work in that area.

:iagree: Harry is gone too.
People have real life to attend to and can't sit here all day & night.
I think it's a non-issue, personally.
If you find the place uninteresting, which I honestly have for a while now, so what. Like you said, it is what it is....Well, not you, Whitepower.
People drift in and out as they please.

[LilRedCorvette]

Pretty much every woman who has ever been here has left.

Something I thing many of us, including myself, are guilty of is being hard on noobs and the ladies.

This.

[Grey Ghost]

This.

What if you had your own section? Mods ONLY allowed women in it? Would you drift over into other sections, get upset, and still leave? Just curious.

[lspencer534]

Not all of these left because they were driven off. Not by a damned sight.

Thanks for putting that into perspective. I look at it like this: If someone has such thin skin that they're going to pick up their toys and go home because of something that was said to them...well, I don't miss 'em.

I've posted some stuff that some/a lot of you found entertaining; other times, I've has my ass raked over the coals. Do the negative comments hurt my feelings? Nah. If I've been a prick I try to correct it, but I don't get defensive and adhere to an indefensible position.

I think that most if not all of us know what to expect from one another. I consider, say, DAB and Sea Six and those damned Canuckistanis to be my close internet friends. Do we abuse each other unmercifully? A resounding "Yes!". I'd have it no other way.

Is this post missing the point of this thread? Maybe...but not to me. I like you guys (except for that one guy), and I hope you don't get all contrite and mushy in the future. Do we need to be a little more considerate? It never hurts to ask ourselves that question to keep us from becoming fierce internet warriors. Are major changes needed? I don't think so.

[Jeff '79]

Thanks for putting that into perspective. I look at it like this: If someone has such thin skin that they're going to pick up their toys and go home because of something that was said to them...well, I don't miss 'em.

I've posted some stuff that some/a lot of you found entertaining; other times, I've has my ass raked over the coals. Do the negative comments hurt my feelings? Nah. If I've been a prick I try to correct it, but I don't get defensive and adhere to an indefensible position.

I think that most if not all of us know what to expect from one another. I consider, say, DAB and Sea Six and those damned Canuckistanis to be my close internet friends. Do we abuse each other unmercifully? A resounding "Yes!". I'd have it no other way.

Is this post missing the point of this thread? Maybe...but not to me. I like you guys (except for that one guy), and I hope you don't get all contrite and mushy in the future. Do we need to be a little more considerate? It never hurts to ask ourselves that question to keep us from becoming fierce internet warriors. Are major changes needed? I don't think so.

:iagree:. Ya, what he said.

[Grey Ghost]

(except for that one guy)

You too, ambulance chaser

http://i.imgur.com/SCFMUr8.jpg

[lspencer534]

:iagree: Harry is gone too.
People have real life to attend to and can't sit here all day & night.
I think it's a non-issue, personally.
If you find the place uninteresting, which I honestly have for a while now, so what. Like you said, it is what it is....Well, not you, Whitepower.
People drift in and out as they please.

Well said. I think it's only natural for any place/relationship/friends to become somewhat less interesting with time. Do you still have hot sex with your spouse? Good for you if you do, but it's likely cooled down to a comfortable routine by now. Uninteresting? That's a bit strong, though. More like you know what to expect now.

[lspencer534]

You too, ambulance chaser

http://i.imgur.com/SCFMUr8.jpg

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Thanks...we needed that!

[DukeAllen]

I'm rather surprised at this thread. I've seen some insults flung in other threads that I thought were in fun. Perhaps not. Certainly a few of you have rubbed me the wrong way but I take it in stride. It's the interwebs, in person you'd probably all be polite, or at least behave.

I've teased some of you on occasion, such as talking about Spence's barbies. All meant in fun. If anyone here was butthurt by anything I said, I apologize.

I'm here for the yucks.

As for the ladies, I think in a place that's majority male, and where we let it all hang out...it's going to be hard to hold on to the ladies. I doubt I'd stick around long in a place dominated by women. There are only so many comments about bloating and spotting before I'd be gone :leaving: :lol:

Having rambled off all that...if anyone feels insulted by any comments I make, feel free to PM me. Like I said...I'm just here to bullchit and have fun.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

She's the best moderator I've ever seen here or at CF.
I was very skeptical of NAV at first. I couldn't have been more rong. She applies just the right amount of knock this shit off boys moderating at just the right time.

[Sea Six]

You know what?

I can sum up 100% the issue of political threads in OT.

From the perspective of one who enjoys political discussions:

If you post something in PRC, there are about 5-10% the number of folks who will actively participate in the thread, as opposed to if it were posted in OT.

For WHATEVER reason, most people only look in OT. So, if you like political discussion, and you don't want to actually get it responded to in a meaningful way, and you are looking for a place to post it, put it in PRC.

For the folks who don't like political discussions, well... there are plenty of other thread topics in OT that don't interest you. EXAMPLE) There is a thread about cake mixers. You don't happen to care anything at all about cake mixers... or perhaps, you absolutely HATE/DESPISE cake mixers because of that unfortunate accident where your father was murdered tragically by a cake-mixer serial killer, to which you were a witness.

What do you do? You either don't go in the thread (if you don't know what it is about based on the title) or, if you find yourself horrified to discover, it turns out to be a thread about cake mixers.. you f'king leave the thread, and don't come back.

Simple! Right?

Why don't you just leave or don't go in the political threads in the first place if you don't like them?

I've NEVER gotten an answer to that question.


So.


Answer it, you people who don't like political threads. Right here and now. Why do you torture yourself by going in there? And posting there? In some cases, repeatedly?

Huh?



:waiting:

[Jeff '79]

You know what?

I can sum up 100% the issue of political threads in OT.

From the perspective of one who enjoys political discussions:

If you post something in PRC, there are about 5-10% the number of folks who will actively participate in the thread, as opposed to if it were posted in OT.

For WHATEVER reason, most people only look in OT.

Whatever reason?

I'll tell you the reason.
We hate discussing politics so we don't go there.
If you feel the need to find a wider audience in OT, you are "open game" to me.
Ya, there's a reason why 5-10% participate in PRC. That's because the rest of us hate it.
What's so difficult to understand about that?

[lspencer534]

I'm rather surprised at this thread. I've seen some insults flung in other threads that I thought were in fun. Perhaps not. Certainly a few of you have rubbed me the wrong way but I take it in stride. It's the interwebs, in person you'd probably all be polite, or at least behave.

I've teased some of you on occasion, such as talking about Spence's barbies. All meant in fun. If anyone here was butthurt by anything I said, I apologize.

I'm here for the yucks.

As for the ladies, I think in a place that's majority male, and where we let it all hang out...it's going to be hard to hold on to the ladies. I doubt I'd stick around long in a place dominated by women. There are only so many comments about bloating and spotting before I'd be gone :leaving: :lol:

Having rambled off all that...if anyone feels insulted by any comments I make, feel free to PM me. Like I said...I'm just here to bullchit and have fun.

No apology needed about the Barbies. When I start a thread about something as ridiculous as erotic Barbies, I think teasing is a natural response. You do know that I've never owned a Barbie...don't you?

I, too, am here just to bullshit, be a little outrageous, and to have fun...as we all should be. After all, internet forums aren't rocket surgery....

[DukeAllen]

Answer it, you people who don't like political threads. Right here and now. Why do you torture yourself by going in there? And posting there? In some cases, repeatedly?

Huh?



:waiting:

I wonder if most aren't like me. I look at the latest threads column on the left of the homepage. It doesn't list a category. My main problem with the political threads is they run on so long, with the same 2 or 3 peeps showing who can blow the most hot air. That gets old.

[Sea Six]

Whatever reason?

I'll tell you the reason.
We hate discussing politics so we don't go there.
If you feel the need to find a wider audience in OT, you are "open game" to me.
Ya, there's a reason why 5-10% participate in PRC. That's because the rest of us hate it.
What's so difficult to understand about that?

FAIL.


You don't just leave the political threads, but you do just leave the other threads you don't have an interest in, or actually have a dislike for (the subject matter).

So far, you're 0 for 1.




Try again.


:waiting:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Why don't you just leave or don't go in the political threads in the first place if you don't like them?
Simple.

Because as I stated earlier, even the most inane subject will turn political with some people. Take the myriad of gun threads. It's not enough to discuss the new Ruger, which is interesting even to a non gun guy like myself. Invariably some cornhole will jump in with his political bent on how fuked up the gun laws are and how its Obama's fault. Which will trigger some other cornhole to say exactly the same thing. Before you know it, what was an interesting thread has been polluted with politics.

[Sea Six]

I wonder if most aren't like me. I look at the latest threads column on the left of the homepage. It doesn't list a category. My main problem with the political threads is they run on so long, with the same 2 or 3 peeps showing who can blow the most hot air. That gets old.

If you stopped going in there, you wouldn't give a rat's ass how long it went on.

So you think it "gets old"... that means you're STILL GOING IN THERE and you DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU"RE READING.


Why do you beat yourself mercilessly by continuing to go in there?

Huh?


Still waiting on an actual answer to this question.

0 for 1, Bucko.


:waiting:

[sanchez]

There are really only a handful of posters generating the majority of the posts. This place really isn't that active. If there were more posters, generating a wider variety of content then the political stuff would not seem as prevelant.

[LisaJohn]

I LOVE my Kitchen Aide mixer. It's the classic model. I have had it for probably 25 years. It is great. I wouldn't mind having the larger size mixer. I can make delicious cakes.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I can make delicious cakes.
I can eat delicious cakes. We should hook up. :lol:

[DAB]

Someone call me?

Spoon sets will get done when it's warmer.

Working on something else that can be done in the warmth of the house this winter.

If some Baller wants to insulate and heat my shop, I'll PM my addy so you can send a large check.

[Sea Six]

Simple.

Because as I stated earlier, even the most inane subject will turn political with some people. Take the myriad of gun threads. It's not enough to discuss the new Ruger, which is interesting even to a non gun guy like myself. Invariably some cornhole will jump in with his political bent on how fuked up the gun laws are and how its Obama's fault. Which will trigger some other cornhole to say exactly the same thing. Before you know it, what was an interesting thread has been polluted with politics.

Thanks for an honest attempt at an answer (and I don't mean that as an insult, as I hope you will see).

My reply?

So....










****ING WHAT? Many threads in OT wind up going in a completely different direction than the OP intended. Or, that the eventual readers of the thread expected.

THAT'S.

O.

T.



That's the way it is.

And, again I reiterate... SFW? :dunno:


Many's the time I've posted a thread about something that, for whatever reason, I didn't get the expected responses I was looking for when I posted it, or it was misinterpreted (by everyone who read the thread after I put it out there apparently) and ... :dunno:

so fukking what?

It's OT!

DUH!

WTF is the problem here? I'm not seeing it.


:confused5:

[sanchez]

I LOVE my Kitchen Aide mixer. It's the classic model. I have had it for probably 25 years. It is great. I wouldn't mind having the larger size mixer. I can make delicious cakes.

We have a black kitchen aide stand mixer but we rarely use it, consequently we put it away for storage in one of the cupboards. Today I ended up using a whisk to mix a cake for my wife because the person that started the project didn't want to haul that heavy mofo out.

I was bummed to say the least.

We also have the meat grinder attachment that I've used exactly once. I made meat loaf.

[Sea Six]

I LOVE my Kitchen Aide mixer. It's the classic model. I have had it for probably 25 years. It is great. I wouldn't mind having the larger size mixer. I can make delicious cakes.

What attachments do you have?

I've got the meat grinder, which was used a LOT as my Mom's side of the family grew up on a farm. I've also got a few others but as I haven't used any of them, I'll have to go look to see what they are.

And OMFG did I ever tell you about how I used my KitchenAid (spelling, mind you :nono:) as a Medieval torture device on a tenant that refused to pay his rent?

[Jeff '79]

FAIL.


You don't just leave the political threads, but you do just leave the other threads you don't have an interest in, or actually have a dislike for (the subject matter).

So far, you're 0 for 1.




Try again.


:waiting:

That's because it's in OT where it does not belong.
I'll dog a political thread in OT until the cows come home because I'm offended that it's there, and not in PRC where it belongs.
The mods fail in that respect by not moving them, not me.

[MrPeabody]

I LOVE my Kitchen Aide mixer. It's the classic model. I have had it for probably 25 years. It is great. I wouldn't mind having the larger size mixer. I can make delicious cakes.

My wife (and I ) like hers, too. I wanted to get her the pasta maker attachment for it for Christmas, but it was $250! We just don't eat that much pasta. I've also seen stand-alone pasta makers for far less. I need to research this more.
























(I see what you did there):D

[Grey Ghost]

Invariably some cornhole will jump in with his political bent on how fuked up the gun laws are and how its Obama's fault. Which will trigger some other cornhole to say exactly the same thing. Before you know it, what was an interesting thread has been polluted with politics.

It is OT. People should have the option to post whatever they want to in a reply. Except if it violates forum rules. Maybe we need a posting of forum rules or by-laws?

[69camfrk]

No apology needed about the Barbies. When I start a thread about something as ridiculous as erotic Barbies, I think teasing is a natural response. You do know that I've never owned a Barbie...don't you?

I, too, am here just to bullshit, be a little outrageous, and to have fun...as we all should be. After all, internet forums aren't rocket surgery....

AIN'T rocket surgery....ya big dummy!:D:leaving:

[LisaJohn]

I can eat delicious cakes. We should hook up. :lol:

Sounds good. Maybe you could take a great pic of my doggie.
I'm baking two cakes in the morning for our Sugar Bowl party tomorrow night at my sis and bil's house. A white cake with buttercream icing and my granny's red cake.

R
T
R

[...Whitepower...]

Thanks for putting that into perspective.

One of the people on that list i mentioned i meet a couple months back while in town on business for dinner. I was told first hand that the conduct of members here was why he moved on.

Another of the members listed in that post i spoke to as recently as a couple days after christmas. In previous conversations i was told that he had grown tired of the forum and some of its members as well.

There was a third member that i did not mention due to the fact that i was told in confidence that she moved on due to the conduct of some members here via chat on FB messaging..

BTW all 3 are more active and currently active on FB more so than they are here. No i will not name names as i was told these things in confidence.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

WTF is the problem here? I'm not seeing it.
The problem, IMHO is what COULD be, or WAS an interesting thread gets dumped on by the political hacks.

That sucks.

Who the fuk want's to read a moderately interesting thread on the merits of the LC9 vs LCP when the thing turns in a Obama suck bashfest?

Not me.

[Mike Mercury]

he doesn't come here as much because threads get politicized

I'm just reading this thread for the first time. I know how some people feel; but think I can best sum it up by editing the original claim:

certain people don't come here as much because the threads political contents are not the direction of their particular persuasion.

Lets face it, if the political leanings were to ones favor... they would be:

1. still posting as often
2. not complaining about politics being mentioned

[Sea Six]

That's because it's in OT where it does not belong.
I'll dog a political thread in OT until the cows come home because I'm offended that it's there, and not in PRC where it belongs.
The mods fail in that respect by not moving them, not me.

Then I'll turn it around on you.

IF that is what you're actually doing... why don't you troll the other threads in OT that you are disinterested in?







Gotcha.

Checkmate.


:waiting:

[Jeff '79]

One of the people on that list i mentioned i meet a couple months back while in town on business for dinner. I was told first hand that the conduct of members here was why he moved on.

Another of the members listed in that post i spoke to as recently as a couple days after christmas. In previous conversations i was told that he had grown tired of the forum and some of its members as well.

There was a third member that i did not mention due to the fact that i was told in confidence that she moved on due to the conduct of some members here via chat on FB messaging..

BTW all 3 are more active and currently active on FB more so than they are here. No i will not name names as i was told these things in confidence.

I'd love to interject something here, but I'll just walk away. :spdchk:

[Jeff '79]

Then I'll turn it around on you.

IF that is what you're actually doing... why don't you troll the other threads in OT that you are disinterested in?







Gotcha
Checkmate.


:waiting:

Having fun?
Baiting the master only lasts for so long. :jeff:

[...Whitepower...]

I'd love to interject something here, but I'll just walk away. :spdchk:

Go for it.

[Sea Six]

Go for it.

:iagree:

:waiting:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Then I'll turn it around on you.

IF that is what you're actually doing... why don't you troll the other threads in OT that you are disinterested in?







Gotcha.

Checkmate.


:waiting:
I hope he responds like I think he will.

Jeff, he threw one right down the center of the plate. Take that bitch yard.

:cert:

[MrPeabody]

On the subject of PR&C, I started lurking on this forum because the PR&C was very active, very entertaining and it wasn't a 99% conservative circle jerk like CF PR&C. I'm primarily conservative, but I'm liberal on some topics. Over there if you make 100 conservative posts and one liberal one, you are called an Obama slurping communist. So I enjoyed the relative diversity here. There were a few liberal members here that were very entertaining and kept things lively. I both bashed them and agreed with them on various occasions. Finally enough conservatives whined about how annoying they were and they got banned. The result was crickets or the aforementioned circle jerk, with the exception of Phil's occasional posts. Hey, I rarely agree totally with Phil, but love him or hate him he's the only one who occasionally lights thing up.

I PMd mods about this situation and with a few exceptions was ignored or insulted by them in both PMs and openly in threads. Frankly, CF moderators have never done this with me.

My .02 worth, rant off.:leaving:

[Jeff '79]

Go for it.

Let it suffice to say that I can guess who you're talking about, and their God complexes and delusions of grandeur are better served in CF.

[Sea Six]

Having fun?
Baiting the master only lasts for so long. :jeff:

Check and... checkmate.


thanks for playing bu-bye :seeya:

[LisaJohn]

What attachments do you have?

I've got the meat grinder, which was used a LOT as my Mom's side of the family grew up on a farm. I've also got a few others but as I haven't used any of them, I'll have to go look to see what they are.

And OMFG did I ever tell you about how I used my KitchenAid (spelling, mind you :nono:) as a Medieval torture device on a tenant that refused to pay his rent?

I have the whisk (it makes the meringue and whipping cream have nice, stiff peaks), the dough hooks snd the one for mixing. I thought about getting other attachments but I don't think I would use them. Thank you for correcting my spelling.

No, you didn't tell me....

[Sea Six]

Let it suffice to say that I can guess who you're talking about, and their God complexes and delusions of grandeur are better served in CF.

Nah.

Go for it.





Post it up, if you have the guts.


:waiting:

[Hoog]

WTF is the problem here? I'm not seeing it.


:confused5:
Asked, and answered.

The problem is there are a few members that spend more effort making excuses for their political dead horse beatings and hijacks, than it would take to post that BS where it belongs...PR&C.

It's really, really simple.

1) Want to start a political thread? Don't do it in OT.
2) Want to make a political comment in an OT thread? Don't.

[...Whitepower...]

Simple.

Because as I stated earlier, even the most inane subject will turn political with some people. Take the myriad of gun threads. It's not enough to discuss the new Ruger, which is interesting even to a non gun guy like myself. Invariably some cornhole will jump in with his political bent on how fuked up the gun laws are and how its Obama's fault. Which will trigger some other cornhole to say exactly the same thing. Before you know it, what was an interesting thread has been polluted with politics.

:iagree:

Check out Mikes post here (post #4).. http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/61061-yet-another-reason-carry-all-time.html

Shit like this happens multiple times a day.. It's old. I'm not singling him out, its just a recent example i read earlier. Any opportunity to make a dig at somone that isn't like the masses here doesn't go missed.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Obama slurping communist
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Jeff '79]

Nah.

Go for it.





Post it up, if you have the guts.


:waiting:

I have no reason to make enemies for no reason.
If they're reading this, they know who they are, and if you can't guess from that list, oh well.

[lspencer534]

AIN'T rocket surgery....ya big dummy!:D:leaving:

My grammer be bad. :D

[Jeff '79]

Ok, VBOT is back to normal!:dance:

[Sea Six]

Asked, and answered.

The problem is there are a few members that spend more effort making excuses for their political dead horse beatings and hijacks, than it would take to post that BS where it belongs...PR&C.

It's really, really simple.

1) Want to start a political thread? Don't do it in OT.
2) Want to make a political comment in an OT thread? Don't.

0 for 1.

Sorry, that's your score for... what was that, an actual effort?


Answer this simple question.

Why do you get all bent out of shape for political threads (being bent out of shape occurs when you go back to a thread for which you KNOW you don't like)?

BONUS QUESTION (plus 10 points): Why DON'T you get all bent out of shape... and instead, hit the back button and fukkin' LEAVE... other threads for which you discover, or rediscover... that you really don't like?

Go ahead.

Try to answer it. (You won't... I know).

:waiting:

[69camfrk]

My grammer be bad. :D

I'm glad that you quickly recognized your lack of southern grammar skills!!!:rofl: I will give you a pass this time Larry.:seasix:

[Sea Six]

Anyone else want to go for 0-for-1?


:waiting:

[MrPeabody]

Page 2.:shots::dance:

[Sea Six]

woo-hoo

[snide]

I LOVE my Kitchen Aide mixer. It's the classic model. I have had it for probably 25 years. It is great. I wouldn't mind having the larger size mixer. I can make delicious cakes.

We have a black kitchen aide stand mixer but we rarely use it, consequently we put it away for storage in one of the cupboards. Today I ended up using a whisk to mix a cake for my wife because the person that started the project didn't want to haul that heavy mofo out.

I was bummed to say the least.

We also have the meat grinder attachment that I've used exactly once. I made meat loaf.

You folks are ballers. I could only afford the KitchenAid model. :( And I got the non-racist model. :leaving:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Anyone else want to go for 0-for-1?


:waiting:

Question for you;

Do you think its OK to enter a thread and attempt to completely dislodge the discussion with some arcane, worn out, bullshit?

Simple question, yes or no.

[Sea Six]

Nobody?


GOD... this is EASY.




:Jeff '79:

[sanchez]

You folks are ballers. I could only afford the KitchenAid model. :( And I got the non-racist model. :leaving:

I was copying her. I figured she's smarter than I am and would have nailed it.

My kitchen Aide only brings us arepa, ajiaco, and muffins occasionally.

[Sea Six]

Question for you;

Do you think its OK to enter a thread and attempt to completely dislodge the discussion with some arcane, worn out, bullshit?

Simple question, yes or no.

Question for you:

Why is it acceptable for anyone else, to competely derail the OP's original discussion with some arcane, whateverthefukkingfukitturnsinto? And it's pretty much par-for-the-course-OT?

Huh?


:waiting:


Threads get morph'd into something else entirely other than what the OP/OT intended/it-was-all-aboot/about-in-the-first-place... all the time.

[Grey Ghost]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the PR&C section and out of OT?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Question for you:

Why is it acceptable for anyone else, to competely derail the OP's original discussion with some arcane, whateverthefukkingfukitturnsinto? And it's pretty much par-for-the-course-OT?

Huh?


:waiting:
Answering a question, not with an answer, but another question. The hallmark of a beaten man.

Or third grader.

:lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

OK folks, I'm exiting the building.

Peace.

[Jeff '79]

OK folks, I'm exiting the building.

Peace.

Puzzy! Sea had the hook in you, and you're leaving?:lol:

[Sea Six]

Answering a question, not with an answer, but another question. The hallmark of a beaten man.

Or third grader.

:lol:

Oh?

I wasn't aware that you tried to answer my question in the first place. :)


Please, link me to where you actually did try to answer my question in the first place.

Right now, you're 0 for 2.

:waiting:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Puzzy! Sea had the hook in you, and you're leaving?:lol:

He's drunk, I'm sober, my wife is sicker than shit, and I gotta work at 3:30 am. I'm out.

:lol:

:cert:

[LisaJohn]

We have a black kitchen aide stand mixer but we rarely use it, consequently we put it away for storage in one of the cupboards. Today I ended up using a whisk to mix a cake for my wife because the person that started the project didn't want to haul that heavy mofo out.

I was bummed to say the least.

We also have the meat grinder attachment that I've used exactly once. I made meat loaf.

They are heavy.

[Sea Six]

Puzzy! Sea had the hook in you, and you're leaving?:lol:

:iagree:


Thomas?

You gonna leave when you're clearly beaten?





Where did you answer my question?

:waiting:

[LisaJohn]

He's drunk, I'm sober, my wife is sicker than shit, and I gotta work at 3:30 am. I'm out.

:lol:

:cert:

I hope she gets well soon.

[Jeff '79]

He's drunk, I'm sober, my wife is sicker than shit, and I gotta work at 3:30 am. I'm out.

:lol:

:cert:

I hope she gets well soon.

:iagree:

Pics of sick wife.
She's prolly still way hotter than Sea-Six's right hand.

[lspencer534]

:iagree:

Check out Mikes post here (post #4).. http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/61061-yet-another-reason-carry-all-time.html

Shit like this happens multiple times a day.. It's old. I'm not singling him out, its just a recent example i read earlier. Any opportunity to make a dig at somone that isn't like the masses here doesn't go missed.

This is post #4:

their punishment will be...

"free cell phones
increased food stamps
free section 8 housing
free healthcare
free college assistance
multiple pre-filled-out ballots for the next general election

all given, while the non-thug working men & women are forced to pay for it all."

Is that stereotyping? Of course it is. Is it that far from the truth? Regrettably, not that absurd. I see some racial overtones here, and I am insulted. You, as well as I, know that racial stereotypes persist today, but some of them are getting closer and closer to reality. Incidence of Blacks vs. Whites on food stamps? Blacks are about twice as likely as whites to have used this benefit during their lives (31% vs. 15%).

The racial breakdown of welfare benefits (not including food stamps) doled out by race is as follows: Blacks acquire 39.8% of welfare benefits. But they comprise only about 12% of the population. The government, on all levels, still ties benefits, political patronage and state contracts to skin color. Governments still organize, categorize and rank us by our race. The federal government allocates $185 billion annually for minority programs.

Do you understand why there might be frustration on this issue?

[MrPeabody]

:iagree:


Thomas?

You gonna leave when you're clearly beaten?





Where did you answer my question?

:waiting:

Hey, Francis, this isn't a competition and you're the only one keeping score.:lol:

[MrPeabody]

This is post #4:

their punishment will be...

"free cell phones
increased food stamps
free section 8 housing
free healthcare
free college assistance
multiple pre-filled-out ballots for the next general election

all given, while the non-thug working men & women are forced to pay for it all."

Is that stereotyping? Of course it is. Is it that far from the truth? Regrettably, not that absurd. I see some racial overtones here, and I am insulted. You, as well as I, know that racial stereotypes persist today, but some of them are getting closer and closer to reality. Incidence of Blacks vs. Whites on food stamps? Blacks are about twice as likely as whites to have used this benefit during their lives (31% vs. 15%).

The racial breakdown of welfare benefits (not including food stamps) doled out by race is as follows: Blacks acquire 39.8% of welfare benefits. But they comprise only about 12% of the population. The government, on all levels, still ties benefits, political patronage and state contracts to skin color. Governments still organize, categorize and rank us by our race. The federal government allocates $185 billion annually for minority programs.

Do you understand why there might be frustration on this issue?

It's absurd bullshit like I bolded which ruins any semblance of an intelligent discussion about any political topic.

[...Whitepower...]

Anyone else want to go for 0-for-1?


:waiting:

This thread was in a round about way directed at me so i'll answer.

Me
37 years old
Black male
middle class
1st generation American (Jamaican)
Wife is a first generation American (Chinese)
Mixed race kids (obviously)
Lived in NY up until 05
Registered Democrat
Nonbeleiver
A little Liberal but i have common sense
Hard worker
Business owner
Gay rights is a good thing.
Trying to make my own way and be successful


Because of my background, and makeup i am as close to the opposite of everyone here in terms of ideals and beleifs as one can be. There are a few guys here that share similar opinions as me on alot of issues but the VAST majority don't.

Now when you have an OT forum where everyone constantly brings politics into every thread that there is an opening to do so, when you belief system is the compete opposite of the masses, it grows old really quick.. Topics like reverse discrimination, immigration reform, Obama/Democrat/Liberal bashing, etc grow old quick to someone like me. You have your right to believe in what you want but i don't want to hear you opinions on this shit on a daily basis in an OT forum when there is a PRC forum to serve as that outlet for you.. That's why i made the comment i did in Mr Daniels thread about you being nominated for the guy that turns threads political the most.

He's not the only one that does it.

It's actually the primary reason I have been coming here less and less actually. The forum used to be good natured and fun. I just don't enjoy it as much as I used too. I don't even stay logged in any longer..


I've meet some really good people as a result of this forum and i will continue to stay in touch with them. Funny part about it is they are all the same people i am saying that are the complete opposite of me from and ideals standpoint but we seem to find some common ground..

What i'm trying to say is this.... If the forum stays on the course that it is on, i'll be here less and less due to the fact that what you guys want to talk about won't be of interest of me. Not only that but half of it will probably piss me off as its contrary to my opinions on certain topics. And if its not of interest and annoys me, why bother participate?

[Jeff '79]

This thread was in a round about way directed at me so i'll answer.

Me
37 years old
Black male
middle class
1st generation American (Jamaican)


So you can get good weed then, right?

[Mike Mercury]

It's absurd bullshit like I bolded which ruins any semblance of an intelligent discussion about any political topic.

it's fact; multiple votes by the same person. Happens all the time.

I am sorry if it bothers you to be reminded of what takes place these days. Put me on your ignore list; I have no problem with that.

:cheers:

[Blademaker]

So you can get good weed then, right?

:rofl:

[MrPeabody]

it's fact; multiple votes by the same person. Happens all the time.

Show me where anybody was provide pre filled out ballots for the next election. Your words, not mine.

There are cases of people voting more than once. It doesn't happen "all the time".

[Blademaker]

Mark, you're a helluva nice guy and a class act..........Gotta get together for a few beers soon. :cert:
I'll grab Nick and Bart and we'll have a few.

[Jeff '79]

it's fact; multiple votes by the same person. Happens all the time.

I am sorry if it bothers you to be reminded of what takes place these days. Put me on your ignore list; I have no problem with that.

:cheers:

Show me where anybody was provide pre filled out ballots for the next election. Your words, not mine.

There are cases of people voting more than once. It doesn't happen "all the time".

Aww fk! Here we go...:kick:

[MrPeabody]

it's fact; multiple votes by the same person. Happens all the time.

I am sorry if it bothers you to be reminded of what takes place these days. Put me on your ignore list; I have no problem with that.

:cheers:

I've never put anybody on my ignore list. I enjoy your posts.

[xXBUDXx]

I have been posting less due to life taking up most of my time.

That and guns scare me.

[Mike Mercury]

Show me where anybody was provide pre filled out ballots for the next election. Your words, not mine.

There are cases of people voting more than once. It doesn't happen "all the time".

It's all over the news. Vans - taking illegals and recently released felons - to voting precinct - after voting precinct - told who to vote for. They've been offered cigarettes, wine, ...


If you'd rather not hear about it; then fine. But to ignore the facts is just mind blowing :confused:

[...Whitepower...]

:rofl:

You can probably get better weed than me.. :rofl:

BTW Steve is a perfect example of a guy that i never would have meet and become friendly with w/o the forums. Scruffy 60 year old F150 driving southerner sitting next to the Yankee from NY in Hooters but we have become friends. He probably doesn't believe in half the shit i do but we have found a common ground.. :cert:

[MrPeabody]

It's all over the news. Vans - taking illegals and recently released felons - to voting precinct - after voting precinct - told who to vote for. They've been offered cigarettes, wine, ...


If you'd rather not hear about it; then fine. But to ignore the facts is just mind blowing :confused:

Still waiting to hear about people being provided with pre-filled out ballots.

[Blademaker]

You can probably get better weed than me.. :rofl:

BTW Steve is a perfect example of a guy that i never would have meet and become friendly with w/o the forums. Scruffy 60 year old F150 driving southerner sitting next to the Yankee from NY in Hooters but we have become friends. He probably doesn't believe in half the shit i do but we have found a common ground.. :cert:

:cert: That, and a love for good Bourbon.....:seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

Still waiting to hear about people being provided with pre-filled out ballots.

being told how to vote... multiple times; my words were a colloquialism what happens.

I think you know this :)

[kingpin]

This thread is the perfect example of all the bs that goes on in here daily.
You want to start a political thread in OT go for it. It will probably get moved...probably.

The issue is with what Thomas or Jeff mentioned about turning a thread that many people may have been enjoying into a bash fest.
It gets old and personally I won't make the effort to get involved as I have no interest in arguing with people who have no outcome on my life.

There are definitely cliques here and they are politically based.

Either way I don't enjoy it here anymore which is why I don't spend my time here anymore. I took the advice of if you don't like it fukk off. So I fukked off.

Enjoy yourselves.

[Jeff '79]

This thread is the perfect example of all the bs that goes on in here daily.
You want to start a political thread in OT go for it. It will probably get moved...probably.

The issue is with what Thomas or Jeff mentioned about turning a thread that many people may have been enjoying into a bash fest.
It gets old and personally I won't make the effort to get involved as I have no interest in arguing with people who have no outcome on my life.

There are definitely cliques here and they are politically based.

Either way I don't enjoy it here anymore which is why I don't spend my time here anymore. I took the advice of if you don't like it fukk off. So I fukked off.

Enjoy yourselves.

No wonder why there was no Winter Classic thread.
:sadangel:

[xXBUDXx]

This thread is the perfect example of all the bs that goes on in here daily.
You want to start a political thread in OT go for it. It will probably get moved...probably.

The issue is with what Thomas or Jeff mentioned about turning a thread that many people may have been enjoying into a bash fest.
It gets old and personally I won't make the effort to get involved as I have no interest in arguing with people who have no outcome on my life.

There are definitely cliques here and they are politically based.

Either way I don't enjoy it here anymore which is why I don't spend my time here anymore. I took the advice of if you don't like it fukk off. So I fukked off.

Enjoy yourselves.
I've been meaning to reach out to you and see how things are going. :cert:

[Mike Mercury]

Still waiting to hear about people being provided with pre-filled out ballots.


does this work for you?

their punishment will be...

free cell phones
increased food stamps
free section 8 housing
free healthcare
free college assistance
Beer, wine, & cigarettes offered for multiple votes during the next general election.

all given, while the non-thug working men & women are forced to pay for it all.".

[lspencer534]

This thread was in a round about way directed at me so i'll answer.

Me
37 years old
Black male
middle class
1st generation American (Jamaican)
Wife is a first generation American (Chinese)
Mixed race kids (obviously)
Lived in NY up until 05
Registered Democrat
Nonbeleiver
A little Liberal but i have common sense
Hard worker
Business owner
Gay rights is a good thing.
Trying to make my own way and be successful


Because of my background, and makeup i am as close to the opposite of everyone here in terms of ideals and beleifs as one can be. There are a few guys here that share similar opinions as me on alot of issues but the VAST majority don't.

Now when you have an OT forum where everyone constantly brings politics into every thread that there is an opening to do so, when you belief system is the compete opposite of the masses, it grows old really quick.. Topics like reverse discrimination, immigration reform, Obama/Democrat/Liberal bashing, etc grow old quick to someone like me. You have your right to believe in what you want but i don't want to hear you opinions on this shit on a daily basis in an OT forum when there is a PRC forum to serve as that outlet for you.. That's why i made the comment i did in Mr Daniels thread about you being nominated for the guy that turns threads political the most.




I've meet some really good people as a result of this forum and i will continue to stay in touch with them. Funny part about it is they are all the same people i am saying that are the complete opposite of me from and ideals standpoint but we seem to find some common ground..

What i'm trying to say is this.... If the forum stays on the course that it is on, i'll be here less and less due to the fact that what you guys want to talk about won't be of interest of me. Not only that but half of it will probably piss me off as its contrary to my opinions on certain topics. And if its not of interest and annoys me, why bother participate?

And I say...so what? You get pissed pissed off by opinions contrary to yours? But yet you find some common ground with some of them? I don't see why common ground can't be found with most of them. Just a thought.... I'm willing if you are.

[MrPeabody]

being told how to vote... multiple times; my words were a colloquialism what happens.

I think you know this :)

You call it a colloquialism, I think it's an exaggeration. Fair enough.

Anyone who does what I have been doing for years and volunteers to work at their polling place is in for a real eye opener about how difficult it would be to violate voting laws without being caught. The very fact the stories you speak of are on the news is evidence of just that. People got caught.

The #1 easy opportunity for voter fraud is mail in ballots. And voter ID laws (which I don't object to) do nothing to address that.

[LilRedCorvette]

What if you had your own section? Mods ONLY allowed women in it? Would you drift over into other sections, get upset, and still leave? Just curious.

We're not talking about me here, I'm only concurring with the observation. :yesnod:

I post where and when I want to, and in general don't give a flying feck what people here post. :shrug: God bless America, where we (still) have that right.

PS...my KitchenAid has a permanent spot on my counter...I actually had TWO of them when I used to do wedding cakes. :seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

is the real complaint here...

facts - become politics... only when they don't support my side

???

[MrPeabody]

This thread is the perfect example of all the bs that goes on in here daily.
You want to start a political thread in OT go for it. It will probably get moved...probably.

The issue is with what Thomas or Jeff mentioned about turning a thread that many people may have been enjoying into a bash fest.
It gets old and personally I won't make the effort to get involved as I have no interest in arguing with people who have no outcome on my life.

There are definitely cliques here and they are politically based.

Either way I don't enjoy it here anymore which is why I don't spend my time here anymore. I took the advice of if you don't like it fukk off. So I fukked off.

Enjoy yourselves.
FWIW, put me down as someone who never bashed a Canadian here.:seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

The #1 easy opportunity for voter fraud is mail in ballots. And voter ID laws (which I don't object to) do nothing to address that.

:thumbs:

[Jeff '79]

is the real complaint here...

facts - become politics... only when they don't support my side

???

Make a thread in PRC about it. Don't hijack other people's threads with that BS.
That's the whole point of the thread.

[MrPeabody]

is the real complaint here...

facts - become politics... only when they don't support my side

???

I think it's only natural that a certain amount of that happens on both sides.

[Grey Ghost]

common ground.. :cert:

Common ground is that you are a decent and hard working family man. Everyone likes you, you shouldn't be offended by others views. Don't take it all so personal. You shouldn't leave. You should start more threads that are of interest to you. Just my opinion.

[DukeAllen]

If you stopped going in there, you wouldn't give a rat's ass how long it went on.

So you think it "gets old"... that means you're STILL GOING IN THERE and you DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU"RE READING.


Why do you beat yourself mercilessly by continuing to go in there?

Huh?


Still waiting on an actual answer to this question.

0 for 1, Bucko.


:waiting:

:slap: I DO stop checking those threads when they get that way.

Gimme my point back, dickhead :D

[Mike Mercury]

Make a thread in PRC about it. Don't hijack other people's threads with that BS.
That's the whole point of the thread.

But it's not BS.

Example:
A certain President made a clear statement right before an election. After he won, he did an abrupt 180 on that statement.

Like I said earlier; some people (who voted for the guy) will claim that mentioning this historical fact ... is "political".

A statement of fact ... does not need be forced into another section of the forum.

[ApexOversteer]

Forcibly injecting your beliefs into a conversation that isn't remotely close to discussing those beliefs, or the contrary beliefs of others, is the modus operandi of a certain organization.

The Westboro Baptist Church.

Don't be a Phelps. Be a Friend.

[Jeff '79]

But it's not BS.

Example:
A certain President made a clear statement right before an election. After he won, he did an abrupt 180 on that statement.

Like I said earlier; some people (who voted for the guy) will claim that mentioning this historical fact ... is "political".

A statement of fact ... does not need be forced into another section of the forum.

That's your opinion and one that is hijacking this thread.
If I GAF about that political situation, I'd look in PRC for it, or make a thread there about it.
To push your agenda here in an OT thread that has nothing to do with the OP is totally inconsiderate to the other posters in this thread.
It really is, whether you agree or not.

[Mike Mercury]

Forcibly injecting your beliefs into a conversation that isn't remotely close to discussing those beliefs, or the contrary beliefs of others, is the modus operandi of a certain organization.

The Westboro Baptist Church.

Don't be a Phelps. Be a Friend.
I don't get into beliefs; instead I keep my eyes WIDE open to what's actually happening.

[Mike Mercury]

That's your opinion and one that is hijacking this thread.
If I GAF about that political situation, I'd look in PRC for it, or make a thread there about it.
To push your agenda here in an OT thread that has nothing to do with

I have no agenda. Eyes open to see things as they really are; as they actually happen.

[Jeff '79]

I have no agenda. Eyes open to see things as they really are; as they actually happen.

But you are hijacking this thread with political crap.
It's too bad that your wide open eyes are missing that.

[ApexOversteer]

I don't get into beliefs; instead I keep my eyes WIDE open to what's actually happening.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, you are hijacking a thread.

You intentionally sidestep the main thrust of the discussion because you want to bitch about the current administration of this country.

[Mike Mercury]

But you are hijacking this thread with political crap.
It's too bad that your wide open eyes are missing that.

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, you are hijacking a thread.

You intentionally sidestep the main thrust of the discussion because you want to bitch about the current administration of this country.

:rofl:

Please put me on your ignore list. You won't chase me away... like you are claiming is happening to another forum member.

[...Whitepower...]

An intelligent discussion about how threads getting highjacked and politicized gets highjacked and politicized.

Imagine that.

[Mike Mercury]

Should the thought and speech police start dictating how and when VB members post?

[MrPeabody]

An intelligent discussion about how threads getting highjacked and politicized gets highjacked and politicized.

Imagine that.

We didn't want to let anybody down. We have an image to maintain, after all.:leaving:

[Craig]

If I've offended anyone, I appologize.

[Grey Ghost]

I mentioned rules in another post....they were right above me :lol:

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/7959-guidelines-pleasant-vette-barn-experience.html

[MrPeabody]

Should the thought and speech police start dictating how and when VB members post?

I think that fact we are discussing the situation here means there's hope we can resolve any problems ourselves. Try starting this thread in CFOT and see how far it goes. We will always have that over them regardless of how many or few or us there are.

[Jeff '79]

:rofl:

Please put me on your ignore list. You won't chase me away... like you are claiming is happening to another forum member.

Wha??:confused5:

[ApexOversteer]

Should the thought and speech police start dictating how and when members post?

They shouldn't have to.

You should have the respect for yourself and the rest of us to use the correct forum for your political discussions. You should know exactly when you're hijacking a thread. Nobody should have to point it out to you.

[Fastguy]

Bickering is awesome.

[Mike Mercury]

They shouldn't have to.

You should have the respect for yourself and the rest of us to use the correct forum for your political discussions. You should know exactly when you're hijacking a thread. Nobody should have to point it out to you.And you should know when facts are being incorrectly labeled as "politics".

[ApexOversteer]

And you should know when facts are being incorrectly labeled as "politics".

HAHAHAHA... that's awesome.

Sorry, inside joke.

[DAB]

So no takers to insulate and heat my shop ?

Drat.

Taco salad for dinner was gooood!!!

[ApexOversteer]

And you should know when facts are being incorrectly labeled as "politics".

They still don't belong in this thread. I can't believe you have this difficult a time with the actual point that people are trying to make.

You are so completely blinded by the displeasure you have for your facts, that you can't see anything else.

[Mike Mercury]

They shouldn't have to.

You should ... use the correct forum for your political discussions.

So; your belief system says that... some people aren't doing things the way you think they should be done ?

[MrPeabody]

So no takers to insulate and heat my shop ?

Drat.

Taco salad for dinner was gooood!!!

Why don't you do like Spence and use the 10 cat method of heating it?

[BADRACR1]

I don't visit as much as I used to, but that's just because I am busy with a lot of other things. I don't put personal crap on here (I know better!). I do talk to a couple of members here on FB and they admit they don't visit as much because of the way some members harassed them and behaved. It's not fun for everyone sometimes. I just be careful about what I respond to.

[ApexOversteer]

So; your belief system says that... some people aren't doing things the way you think they should be done ?

No. Some people aren't behaving the way they were asked to, nicely, and provided a place to do it in.

[Grey Ghost]

Why don't you do like Spence and use the 10 cat method of heating it?

Don't forget the cheap gin. :seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

You are so completely blinded by the displeasure you have for your facts, that you can't see anything else.

so, the free cell phones are not being paid by the working responsible US citizen?

and the free cell phones are being handed to the working men & women... as a reward for being responsible?

[Mike Mercury]

No. Some people aren't behaving the way they were asked to, nicely, and provided a place to do it in.

no moderator has edited or deleted any posts of mine; so I think in reality it's

Some people aren't behaving the way... you want them to

do you ever introspect ?

[ApexOversteer]

BTW, Mike, I already know that you are an impenetrable fortress where the facts are concerned. You're going to post them in every thread you want to, regardless of how anyone else thinks or feels about it. It's all about you and the facts. You and the facts are the sole reason this place exists.

[Mirroredshades]

Just for the record, I like everyone here and I hope I haven't run anyone off.


:)

[DukeAllen]

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5996/trainwreck6ga.jpg

http://www.teamvalkyrieftw.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/change_the_subject.gif

0ylRplLnU84

[DAB]

10 cats? Hmmmm.

[MrPeabody]

BTW, Mike, I already know that you are an impenetrable fortress where the facts are concerned. You're going to post them in every thread you want to, regardless of how anyone else thinks or feels about it. It's all about you and the facts. You and the facts are the sole reason this place exists.

Well, that and the babe pics.

[ApexOversteer]

no moderator has edited or deleted any posts of mine

There it is.

"Nobody told me I was being bad, so I'll do what I f*cking like."

This is the problem in a nutshell. You and people like you have taken the fresh air of limited moderation and decided that gives you license to do as you please, and anyone that doesn't like it can f*ck off, because I haven't been banned.

[Grey Ghost]

Just for the record, I like everyone here and I hope I haven't run anyone off.


:)

Same here. I wish they would come back and make the place more interesting. If I took any of this personally or to heart. I would have been gone a long time ago.

[...Whitepower...]

I do talk to a couple of members here on FB and they admit they don't visit as much because of the way some members harassed them and behaved..

http://media.tumblr.com/402b288ff3c28279b63413f1b37384b2/tumblr_inline_msol1l8JwK1qz4rgp.gif

[ApexOversteer]

Really don't mind if you sit this one out... my words but a whisper, your deafness a shout... I may make you feel, but I can't make you think... your sperm's in the gutter, your love's in the sink...

So you ride yourself over the fields... and you make all your animal deals... and your wisemen don't know how it feels...


To be thick, as a brick.

[ApexOversteer]

I'm on break now, the new Sherlock is here and I just can't wait to watch it.

[Truck Guy]

Gotcha.

Checkmate.
:waiting:

Check and... checkmate.

thanks for playing bu-bye :seeya:

Nah.

Go for it.

Post it up, if you have the guts.

:waiting:

Anyone else want to go for 0-for-1?

:waiting:What are you, 5 years old? :rofl: Shit like this belongs on a playground.

Hey, Francis, this isn't a competition and you're the only one keeping score.:lol: :iagree:

An intelligent discussion about how threads getting highjacked and politicized gets highjacked and politicized.

Imagine that.Thanks for the thread lspencer534. Too bad all the usual suspects showed up to crap all over it. :shrug:

[Mike Mercury]

There it is.

"Nobody told me I was being bad, so I'll do what I f*cking like."

This is the problem in a nutshell. You and people like you have taken the fresh air of limited moderation and decided that gives you license to do as you please, and anyone that doesn't like it can f*ck off, because I haven't been banned.

there it is; You and people like you want to be in kontrol; and if you had your way... the moderation would be different.

It's all about you and your struggles, and not me.

[Mike Mercury]

BTW, Mike, I already know that you are an impenetrable fortress where the facts are concerned. You're going to post them in every thread you want to, regardless of how anyone else thinks or feels about it. It's all about you and the facts. You and the facts are the sole reason this place exists.

Look, if I didn't like someone here; I would put them on my ignore list.

But I have never done that myself. My feelings can't be hurt because they are based on what's really going on; and not some pretend world that some cults try to get people to believe in.

If I find out my view was based on faulty facts; I'd update my understanding of the specific immediately; and not call out the person who told it like it really was.

Now, is there a time & place to be uber factual?

Yep; I only was trying to drive the point home - that all this crime that's lately is due to the bad people not being effectively punished.

If that was the wrong time/place to make that point; I can tell myself to double-think before adding these items to a thread. Just let me know, in as cool-and-factual a way as the info I originally offered.

:cheers:

[ApexOversteer]

there it is; You and people like you want to be in kontrol; and if you had your way... the moderation would be different.

It's all about you and your struggles, and not me.



No. I WANT limited moderation. But I want people to have the common courtesy to not hijack every third thread, when there is a dedicated forum for what they want to discuss.

[ApexOversteer]

Look, if I didn't like someone here; I would put them on my ignore list.

But I have never done that myself. My feelings can't be hurt because they are based on what's really going on; and not some pretend world that some cults try to get people to believe in.

If I find out my view was based on faulty facts; I'd update my understanding of the specific immediately; and not call out the person who told it like it really was.

Now, is there a time & place to be uber factual?

Yep; I only was trying to drive the point home - that all this crime that's lately is due to the bad people not being effectively punished.

If that was the wrong time/place to make that point; I can tell myself to double-think before adding these items to a thread. Just let me know, in as cool-and-facutual a way as the info I originally offered.

:cheers:

I don't use the ignore function because I'm not a coward.

As for the rest; Take It To The Track. Isn't that what we say when street racing videos are posted? Time and a place indeed.

[NeedSpeed]

Well, this is a click forum much like my

Banned Camp Forum (http://www.bannedcampforum.org/)

except it masks itself as a vette forum (which it's not). I thought about growing camp. But all the people that bitch and whine don't want the masses. There is no win. As soon as there is too much opinion people leave. Or too much opinion they don't like they leave. VB will face much the fate of BCF. Once the core group that created jump ship it will have a slow demise.

FB filled that gap that forums can't. If you don't like someone, boot them. Forums don't work like that.

I don't see where people get offended. There are tons of threads I don't read here of political nature. I just don't open them. It's pretty simple. But having run a forum, people don't seem to get that. It's pretty sad really.

[bsmith]

Nobody should give a shit about my opinion, but there are some obnoxious people seem to want to dominate this forum... Which is odd, considering they weren't even on the radar on CF.

Inserting political beliefs where they don't belong is only a minor annoyance compared to a handful of members.

[Mike Mercury]

I don't use the ignore function because I'm not a coward.

As for the rest; Take It To The Track. Isn't that what we say when street racing videos are posted? Time and a place indeed.

I hear ya; but there is a stark difference between us.

If I don't like whats being posted... I offer my thoughts and/or move on.

You... want to point a finger, and tell the person they aren't doing things the way you think they should be, and that they should change things to be more like you want them to be.

I am not the poster-boy for how people should to conduct themselves.

I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but You are not the poster-boy for how people should to conduct themselves either.

Wanna argue that?

:)

[DAB]

Think I'll check back after everyone has had some rest and is sober.

[Steve Austin]

In another thread he says that he doesn't come here as much because threads get politicized and because of that VBOT just isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Is he right? Personally I don't mind if a thread turns political, but then again I have a strong "Ignore" button. Let us know what your thoughts are.

BTW, Whitepower, I'm not criticizing or picking on you. My question is an honest one.

I lurk here for the fun. I hate politics in general. I click out of threads that go that way. I was pretty sure that I was the only one.:cert:

[...Whitepower...]

Been sober all day long although i may still be drunk based on my alcohol consumption NYE and early NY morning. ..

[NeedSpeed]

Think I'll check back after everyone has had some rest and is sober.

:skep:

You don't understand the interwebs. :D

[Kerrmudgeon]

I come here for entertainment and possibly enlightening posts about news, and everyday life. I HATE when a good thread turns to Obama bashing or right wing bullshit!
To me the problem is in the moderation....frankly I don't know what they do here. :bilmem: It's got to be the easiest job in the world. If folks knew that the moment they start that dribble the thread would be moved they wouldn't do it. Or at least delete that offending post, poof, gone!.....with an explanation, unlike the other place. So many good threads are ruined by the same whiney political crap that it makes it disheartening to bother posting here. I know myself that my interest and participation is tapering off because of this.
Send it ALL to PR&C where it belongs! HEAR that mods! :bigears:

[JMS32935]

so, the free cell phones are not being paid by the working responsible US citizen?

and the free cell phones are being handed to the working men & women... as a reward for being responsible?

No, those things are Not happening.
Saying they are is your side's slant.


References...

The Obama Phone? (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/)

snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients (http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp)


I don't care to hear that bullshit, and now I've made it worse.
Maybe I should have replied in the other forum. Sorry.

...

[NeedSpeed]

I come here for entertainment and possibly enlightening posts about news, and everyday life. I HATE when a good thread turns to Obama bashing or right wing bullshit!
To me the problem is in the moderation....frankly I don't know what they do here. :bilmem: It's got to be the easiest job in the world. If folks knew that the moment they start that dribble the thread would be moved they wouldn't do it. Or at least delete that offending post, poof, gone!.....with an explanation, unlike the other place. So many good threads are ruined by the same whiney political crap that it makes it disheartening to bother posting here. I know myself that my interest and participation is tapering off because of this.
Send it ALL to PR&C where it belongs! HEAR that mods! :bigears:

No, it's the worst job. You can't win. Everyone is here because of over moderation, yet people bitch when someone expresses too much of an opinion.

[bsmith]

To me the problem is in the moderation....frankly I don't know what they do here. :bilmem: It's got to be the easiest job in the world.

Correct me if I am wrong here...but wasn't this place started because of a desire to not have overbearing moderation?
I thought that was supposed to be the draw here???

[NeedSpeed]

No, it's the worst job. You can't win. Everyone is here because of over moderation, yet people bitch when someone expresses too much of an opinion.

But fvck Jesse. just sayin' :leaving:

[JMS32935]

But fvck Jesse. just sayin' :leaving:

You're not talking about my neighbor, are you ??

:leaving:

[Mike Mercury]

No, those things are Not happening.
Saying they are is your side's slant.


References...

The Obama Phone? (http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/)

snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients (http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp)


I don't care to hear that bullshit, and now I've made it worse.
Maybe I should have replied in the other forum. Sorry.

...

Bullshit ?

First off; I'm not "on a side".

Second, where do we go to see if Snopes has it right?

Here's the facts; there's no slanting; it's actually happening:

The Federal Communications Commission oversees the Lifeline program, created in 1984 to make sure impoverished Americans had telephone service available.

To be eligible for Lifeline, the applicant is to be receiving some significant government benefit — food stamps, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, public housing assistance, etc. But because welfare eligibility has expanded under the Obama administration, more people than ever before are qualified to receive “free” cell-phone service — part of the reason why Lifeline mobiles have become commonly known as Obamaphones.

and here's the facts to prove that specific:


In 2008, the FCC expanded the program to offer subsidized cell-phone service, and since then, the expenses of running the program have soared. In 2012, the program’s costs had risen to $2.189 billion, up from $822 million before wireless carriers were included. As of June, there were 13.8 million active Lifeline subscriptions. To participate in the program, consumers must have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines or participate in a qualifying state, federal or Tribal assistance program.

[NeedSpeed]

You're not talking about my neighbor, are you ??

:leaving:

If he's your neighbor, I'm sorry :lol:

[JMS32935]

If he's your neighbor, I'm sorry :lol:

sorta, in a same town kind of way :yesnod: ... :lol:

[NeedSpeed]

Bullshit ?

where do we go to see if Snopes has it right?

Here's the facts; there's no slanting; it's actually happening:



and here's the facts to prove that specific:

To participate in the program, consumers must have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines or participate in a qualifying state, federal or Tribal assistance program.


I don't have a problem with that.

[Kerrmudgeon]

My God, you fools even spoiled this thread with political garbage. :issues:

[Mike Mercury]

I don't have a problem with that.

That's fine. But I don't remember being allowed to vote on it.

Hey, if you want to take part of your paycheck and help the poor - and hand them pre-pay cell phones yourself - more power to ya !

But why is it being forced on the wage earners? Makes no sense.

Each should be able to make their own decision to help or not ... and by how much.

political garbage. (in OT)

ya mean like these:

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/58831-again-really.html


http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/59861-f-ckin-racism-has-gotten-out-hand.html

:)

[bsmith]

That's fine. But I don't remember being allowed to vote on it.

Hey, if you want to take part of your paycheck and help the poor - in any way you prefer - more power to ya ! I do.

But why is it being forced on the wage earners? Makes no sense.

Each should be able to make their own decision to help or not ... and by how much.

The Universal Service Fund is not funded by your payroll taxes.
Just a fact, not a political bias.

[NeedSpeed]

See, I just like to argue. And that's why I like forums.

But it seems people just can't hang.

And when FB is involved, people can't express their true selves because people they know can see their opinion.

Sad.

[Mike Mercury]

The Universal Service Fund is not funded by your payroll taxes.
Just a fact, not a political bias.

Who pays for universal service?
As required by the 1996 Telecom Act, telecommunications carriers providing international and interstate service and earning above certain revenue thresholds pay into the USF. Consumers may notice a universal service line item on their telephone bills. This line represents a charge by a telephone company to recover its FCC-mandated universal service contributions.




We're all paying for it; though you are correct... it's not via payroll tax. :thumbs:

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For the record; I ignored this thread until I got an email saying I was quoted in it.

Check and confirm if you like.

[JMS32935]

If he's your neighbor, I'm sorry :lol:

sorta, in a same town kind of way :yesnod: ... :lol:

He's a decent guy in person, and we support some of the same causes. I don't see him that often, maybe about once a year, but we get along fine. One thing we don't talk about is politics (or internet forums). One has to respect one's fellow human beings, and a little respect does a lot of good.

:cert:

[...Whitepower...]

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/59861-f-ckin-racism-has-gotten-out-hand.html

:)

Nice try.. My thread was in response to this one to show the other side of the coin.. The title was even the same. :spdchk:


http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/59857-feckin-racism-has-gotten-out-hand.html

[DAB]

No, it's the worst job. You can't win. Everyone is here because of over moderation, yet people bitch when someone expresses too much of an opinion.

No complaining here.

[bsmith]

The Universal Service Fund is funded by taxes.

That is more the accurate fact. :yesnod:

For the record; I didn't even click on this thread until I got an email saying I was quoted in it.

Check and confirm if you like.

You said through your paycheck, which is wrong.

[NeedSpeed]

He's a decent guy in person, and we support some of the same causes. I don't see him that often, maybe about once a year, but we get along fine. One thing we don't talk about is politics (or internet forums). One has to respect one's fellow human beings, and a little respect does a lot of good.

:cert:

I'm sure he is, and I'm sure I'd like him in person. But he's a "true cop" he put the forum rules up as gospel and he enforced them to the fullest extent without common sense.

Common sense is lost these days :lol:

[...Whitepower...]

I'm sure he is, and I'm sure I'd like him in person. But he's a "true cop" he put the forum rules up as gospel and he enforced them to the fullest extent without common sense.

Common sense is lost these days :lol:

http://newalbanydefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/keyboard-warrior.jpg

[Mike Mercury]

Nice try.. My thread was in response to this one to show the other side of the coin..

Yep; there's always a valid reason claimed by someone when they post something.

and I just looked at the first page of a search and found those.

Did I bitch because of your posts? No.

Did I claim I was going to stay away because of your posts.
no.

That there is the difference.

You said through your paycheck, which is wrong.


I replied that you were correct. :yesnod:

[NeedSpeed]

Yep; there's always a valid reason claimed by someone when they post something.

and I just looked at the first page of a search and found those.

Did I bitch because of your posts? No.

Did I claim I was going to stay away because of your posts.
no.

That there is the difference.

Don't you have hot bitches to post??? :toetap:

[Mike Mercury]

Don't you have hot bitches to post??? :toetap:

:lol:

damn; I skip one Friday Five; and get hated...

:cheers:

[NeedSpeed]

:lol:

damn; I skip one Friday Five; and get hated...

:cheers:

:slap::kick::issues:

[...Whitepower...]

Whatever Mr Mercury..

When you look at the number of people that have thanked me for my posts through out the course of this thread when compared to those that have thanked you for yours, it's clear that the masses agree more so with my simple request of keeping politics in the PRC forum than you and whatever your view point is. If you are looking to argue and bicker with someone all night long go for it.. It's not gonna be with me though because i'm going to bed now.

Happy New Year everyone.

[Mike Mercury]

If you are looking to argue and bicker with someone all night long go for it.. It's not gonna be with me though

For the record; I didn't even click on this thread until I got an email saying I was quoted in it.

Check and confirm if you like.

Happy New Year everyone.

Same !

[Aerovette]

None of it bothers me. I have a special version of the forum that no one else can see. It lets me NOT post in a thread and even NOT read a thread if I choose. If I need "serious", I use life to fill that need. If I need entertained, I have cable or the forum and in most cases both at the same time.

The ONLY negative comment I can make about the barn is in regard to activity.

Threads die quickly
People go to bed too early

:kimblair:

[JMS32935]

Happy New Year everyone.

Thank you.


C & J feat. Sandra - Auld Lang Syne - YouTube


:cert:

[Sea Six]

Damn, this thread took on some legs after I passed out.

:shots:





Way too much discussion took place for me to try and catch up, so I won't.

Although Duke Allen can have his point back as he requested. :seasix:

And it seems that more than a few people are perfectly fine with staying out of threads that don't interest them. I'll bet there are more, too, who aren't vocal about it. My point is that I wish more people did.

:beer:

[Jeff '79]

:sleep:

[Sea Six]

:sleep:

WAKE UP!!!

:hurray:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Nobody should give a shit about my opinion, but there are some obnoxious people seem to want to dominate this forum... Which is odd, considering they weren't even on the radar on CF.
Why are you using what someone else did somewhere else, as a benchmark for what they do here? That's odd.

The two sites are miles apart in the moderation department. The culture here is very different than the culture there.

[Sea Six]

Why are you using what someone else did somewhere else, as a benchmark for what they do here? That's odd.

The two sites are miles apart in the moderation department. The culture here is very different than the culture there.

Thanks for quoting that post, Thomas. I would have missed it otherwise.

I suppose he's talking about me, although I'm not trying to dominate anything. I'm just posting a lot more here because it's a lot more fun than CF ever was.

CF was so over moderated it was just easier to lurk than try to figure out what the rules were so you could post without getting banned. :dunno:

Kingpin is another guy who hardly ever posted over there, but did post a lot over here.

I've never been into the whole domination thing, bsmith, but I also must confess I've never really given it a good try. If you're willing to be my subject I'll see how it goes. NOW BOW TO ME!!! It places the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again!


:msgem:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I dunno, but I think maybe Mike Mercury's balls dropped on New Years Eve. :cert:

[Jeff '79]

I dunno, but I think maybe Mike Mercury's IQ dropped on New Years Eve. :cert:

*fixt



:D

[Thunder22]

Kumbaya My Lord - YouTube

[Fasglas]

Can We All Just Get Along? For The Kids & Old People? RODNEY KING SPEAKS! - YouTube

[Mike Mercury]

I dunno, but I think maybe Mike Mercury's balls dropped on New Years Eve. :cert:

that happened after the first year of marriage...

:)

[Bill]

Kingpin's response was telling. I always enjoyed his posts, and Whitepower's, and now it seems they are all but gone, because our forum isn't the fun, lighthearted place it used to be.....because we can't seem to keep the P in PR&C. I've been guilty of this as much as anyone, and for that, I'm sorry, and vow to turn over a new leaf in '14.

Seems simple. We can choose to be a little more sensitive to others and have a more fun place, or we can stand on our right to light moderation and run people off. I'm guessing most of the folks we have run off were well liked, and they just left, they didn't bitch about it.

Let's try to keep that from happening, and (maybe, by some miracle) get some of those who have left, back.

[C5SilverBullet]

Correct me if I am wrong here...but wasn't this place started because of a desire to not have overbearing moderation?
I thought that was supposed to be the draw here???

Limited moderation is not the same thing as NO moderation. I'm hear nearly all day during the week, and I can't tell you anyone other than Sandy that is a mod. Maybe they just don't come here, I don't know, but SOME moderation is needed.

[Hoog]

...because the "self policing" part of all this is apparently lost on a few people.

[DAB]

doing better than my bar thread. :shrug:

[Truck Guy]

:lol:

damn; I skip one Friday Five; and get hated...

:cheers::slap: Don't let that happen again! :D

I dunno, but I think maybe Mike Mercury's balls dropped on New Years Eve. :cert: :rofl:

...because the "self policing" part of all this is apparently lost on a few people.:iagree:

And I'll add if a forum member is going to act like a douche bag, expect to be treated like a douche bag.

[DAB]

simple rule i try to follow: if i wouldn't say it in public, i don't type it in public. :type:

[99 pewtercoupe]

Kingpin's response was telling. I always enjoyed his posts, and Whitepower's, and now it seems they are all but gone, because our forum isn't the fun, lighthearted place it used to be.....because we can't seem to keep the P in PR&C. I've been guilty of this as much as anyone, and for that, I'm sorry, and vow to turn over a new leaf in '14.

Seems simple. We can choose to be a little more sensitive to others and have a more fun place, or we can stand on our right to light moderation and run people off. I'm guessing most of the folks we have run off were well liked, and they just left, they didn't bitch about it.

Let's try to keep that from happening, and (maybe, by some miracle) get some of those who have left, back.

I know I too have been guilty in the past. No more.

[Truck Guy]

simple rule i try to follow: if i wouldn't say it in public, i don't type it in public. :type:
:iagree:

But there are some that take pride in being the "asshole" and will say very hurtful stuff.
I never understood why someone would be proud to be an asshole.
Maybe they don't realize what they look and sound like to others?

Sad... :(

[Millenium Vette]

simple rule i try to follow: if i wouldn't say it in public, i don't type it in public. :type:

Well put. If you wouldn't say it to the person's face, don't post it. One thing I have to remind myself of, is that humor often comes across differently in writing than when spoken. I am always clowning around with friends and giving them a rash of shit about some bone-headed mistake they have made when the opportunity arises, which it often does. I will also be the first to talk about a bone-headed move I make and getting a laugh at my expense. On a forum the meaning of the message is often lost. I have had it where I chided someone on a forum in jest and they take it seriously. That is the last thing I would want, so I have learned to be more careful and use a shitload of those emoticons to make it clear when I am clowning around.

:cert::datawiz::kimblair::shots: