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lspencer534
08-26-2013, 10:35am
Artist rendering of the 2015 Mustang:

http://i.imgur.com/9IU7LjG.jpg

Ford sits between a rock and a hard place when approaching the redesign of its iconic muscle car, as sales of the Mustang have crashed and haven't been able to regain much momentum. This will be Ford's attempt to kill the retro styling and bring the car into the 21st century as a lighter and faster sports car.

Ford has to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing its core U.S. consumer with a modern design, yet if it doesn't evolve enough to appeal to a new global audience, it will fall short of Ford's sales ambition.

Simply put: For the Mustang to succeed overseas, it needs to shed a few hundred pounds and shrink in size. The new Mustang could be 15" shorter and 6" narrower.

What say ye?

Yerf Dog
08-26-2013, 10:42am
What say ye?

:shrug:

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 10:53am
Why does that particular segment have to be retro? Enough is enough.

FasterTraffic
08-26-2013, 10:53am
What say ye?

I say everything I've read so far is promising and April 17th isn't that far away.

Artist's renderings? :sleep:

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 10:56am
http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/67434/mustang_v_camaro_large.png

Where did you get the news that Mustang sales have "crashed"?

Here are the sales numbers for the last four years, Mustang vs Camaro.

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 10:59am
http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/67434/mustang_v_camaro_large.png

Where did you get the news that Mustang sales have "crashed"?

Here are the sales numbers for the last four years, Mustang vs Camaro.

Plus, they've outsold Camaro in June and July, so I'd say they have a little momentum.

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 11:04am
Plus, they've outsold Camaro in June and July, so I'd say they have a little momentum.:D I didn't want to pile on too much.

Just waiting for the "It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car crowd to show up :slap:

FasterTraffic
08-26-2013, 11:05am
Where did you get the news that Mustang sales have "crashed"? Here are the sales numbers for the last four years, Mustang vs Camaro.

I would also expect a slowdown in sales for any enthusiast car in advance of such a momentous generation change.

:D I didn't want to pile on too much.

Just waiting for the "It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car crowd to show up :slap:

:Jeff '79:

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 11:06am
:D I didn't want to pile on too much.

Just waiting for the "It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car crowd to show up :slap:

Call me a chick...

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-prototype_100379413_m.jpg

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 11:12am
I would also expect a slowdown in sales for any enthusiast car in advance of such a momentous generation change. :yesnod: That's what has the car companies the most worried.

They want to keep the traditional retro styling, but the demographic for retro is getting older and older (see the Corvette owners average age :lol:).

But they also want to capture the younger buyer that right now is in love with econo-boxes and imports.

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 11:12am
Call me a chick...

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-prototype_100379413_m.jpg...an ugly one at that.

Not the car... :D

simpleman68
08-26-2013, 12:06pm
I really like the front half of that rendering. But when my eyes get to the B pillar. :puke:
Scott

Craig
08-26-2013, 12:18pm
Renderings tend to be far more over-the-top than the car that actually shows up.

Mirroredshades
08-26-2013, 12:22pm
If it looks like the rendering, I will be interested. And if it sheds 200# and keeps the 5.0, it is going to be plenty fast for Joe Redneck.

:thumbs:

lspencer534
08-26-2013, 12:29pm
I say everything I've read so far is promising and April 17th isn't that far away.

Artist's renderings? :sleep:

This artist's rendering appears to be dead-on to matching the spy photos of the car:

http://i42.tinypic.com/15h0a4k.jpg

Norm
08-26-2013, 12:34pm
I don't know, shades of BMW or something.

lspencer534
08-26-2013, 12:36pm
Plus, they've outsold Camaro in June and July, so I'd say they have a little momentum.

Perhaps this graph give a better picture of Mustang sales:

http://i42.tinypic.com/k1rih5.png

FasterTraffic
08-26-2013, 12:41pm
They want to keep the traditional retro styling, but the demographic for retro is getting older and older (see the Corvette owners average age :lol:). But they also want to capture the younger buyer that right now is in love with econo-boxes and imports.

The styling evolution is certainly a challenge for Ford but they will have a top-notch performance car as a canvas. The styling department at Ford has been on a roll lately so I have high hopes for the new Mustang.

As much as I love the retro look of the '10-'14 Mustangs, all good things must come to an end. (I know the '05-'09 were retro, too, but their styling was merely OK.)

This artist's rendering appears to be dead-on to matching the spy photos of the car:

Color me skeptical.

Perhaps this graph give a better picture of Mustang sales:

http://i42.tinypic.com/k1rih5.png

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the sales graph for all performance and luxury coupes has a similar shape.

Will
08-26-2013, 12:44pm
Perhaps this graph give a better picture of Mustang sales:

http://i42.tinypic.com/k1rih5.png

So they plummeted with the economic crash and have since basically not recovered and almost flat-lined.

The Obamanomics "recovery" strikes again.

Mirroredshades
08-26-2013, 12:48pm
Color me skeptical.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the sales graph for all performance and luxury coupes has a similar shape.

So they plummeted with the economic crash and have since basically not recovered and almost flat-lined.

The Obamanomics "recovery" strikes again.

Do you two bitches always finish eachother's sentences.

:lol:





:leaving:

mrvette
08-26-2013, 12:51pm
Call me a chick...

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2013-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-prototype_100379413_m.jpg

Chick.....:lol::cert::datawiz:

FasterTraffic
08-26-2013, 1:00pm
Do you two bitches always finish eachother's sentences.

Only when we're both right. :Jeff '79:

American Made
08-26-2013, 1:27pm
I like it.

ConstantChange
08-26-2013, 2:23pm
I don't love the rendering, but I think it's a step in the right direction. The quarter panel looks a little thick to me.

Loco Vette
08-26-2013, 2:30pm
"It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car :D

snide
08-26-2013, 2:39pm
"It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car :D

When are you taking delivery of yours?

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 2:41pm
"It's a girls/secretary/chicks" car :D:flippa: :D

When are you taking delivery of yours?:rofl:

Truck Guy
08-26-2013, 2:45pm
Perhaps this graph give a better picture of Mustang sales:Still better than the Camaro between 2002 and 2010.

Oh wait, there was no Camaro those years! :lol:

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say the sales graph for all performance and luxury coupes has a similar shape. :yesnod:

So they plummeted with the economic crash and have since basically not recovered and almost flat-lined.

The Obamanomics "recovery" strikes again. :seasix:

Calif Vetteman
08-26-2013, 3:55pm
Artist rendering of the 2015 Mustang:

http://i.imgur.com/9IU7LjG.jpg

Ford sits between a rock and a hard place when approaching the redesign of its iconic muscle car, as sales of the Mustang have crashed and haven't been able to regain much momentum. This will be Ford's attempt to kill the retro styling and bring the car into the 21st century as a lighter and faster sports car.

Ford has to avoid the worst-case scenario of losing its core U.S. consumer with a modern design, yet if it doesn't evolve enough to appeal to a new global audience, it will fall short of Ford's sales ambition.

Simply put: For the Mustang to succeed overseas, it needs to shed a few hundred pounds and shrink in size. The new Mustang could be 15" shorter and 6" narrower.

What say ye?

I like it. I think if the front fenders had a little flare to balance out the look of the flared rear quarter panels.

Ford needs to get more HP to the rear wheels. This past summer Granatelli Motor Sports in Oxnard had a Dyno Day. Prizes for the most HP, for Forced Inductioin and Naturally Asperated.

A Shelby 500 GT rated at 650 HP put up over 700 lb-ft. torque but only 577 hp.

A 2012 SS 45 Aniv Ed. Camero with a whipple S.C. Pulled over 800 lb-ft of torque and 771 HP.


A weight reduction would be a big advantage for the new Mustang.

Just my .02

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 4:04pm
Artist rendering of the 2015 Mustang:

http://i.imgur.com/9IU7LjG.jpg


http://carmexxline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/2013-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-front-angle-side-e1327087611402.jpg

lspencer534
08-26-2013, 4:08pm
I like it. I think if the front fenders had a little flare to balance out the look of the flared rear quarter panels.

Ford needs to get more HP to the rear wheels. This past summer Granatelli Motor Sports in Oxnard had a Dyno Day. Prizes for the most HP, for Forced Inductioin and Naturally Asperated.

A Shelby 500 GT rated at 650 HP put up over 700 lb-ft. torque but only 577 hp.

A 2012 SS 45 Aniv Ed. Camero with a whipple S.C. Pulled over 800 lb-ft of torque and 771 HP.


A weight reduction would be a big advantage for the new Mustang.

Just my .02

The current Ford Mustang weighs in at 3,523 pounds, and according to Edmunds, Ford is working with lighter materials to remove a minimum of 400 pounds for the 2015 model.

There are rumors that the Mustang will receive an EcoBoost engine, which left some 'Stang loyalists puzzled and anxious. I doubt there is anything to worry about, as Ford has a lot of engine flexibility that will help it sell well here in the U.S. and overseas. A turbocharged EcoBoost would help sell the muscle car in Europe, while the power-hungry U.S. consumer will no doubt have a top-of-the-line V-8 option. Also to the delight of U.S. loyalists, the pony car will finally kick the live rear axle in favor of an independent rear suspension.

Ford's Risky 2015 Mustang Could Alienate Loyal Fans - DailyFinance (http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/08/24/fords-risky-2015-mustang-could-alienate-loyal-fans/)

DukeAllen
08-26-2013, 4:10pm
I'm not into those fender flares or how low it sits. But people think I'm off for liking the Mustang II :shrug:

lspencer534
08-26-2013, 4:27pm
I'm not into those fender flares or how low it sits. But people think I'm off for liking the Mustang II :shrug:

I had a 1978 Mustang II with a V-8 and a 4-speed. Fun little car, like having a factory hot rod. It was not very roomy at all, and the T-Tops leaked like a sieve.

The_Dude
08-26-2013, 4:30pm
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OimETD-c8-c/T3XloMuLDwI/AAAAAAAAATs/4z5c3JTiOv4/s400/Mustang+Girls+Pictures,+Ford+Mustang+Automotive+News+(7).jpeg

The_Dude
08-26-2013, 4:31pm
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Mustang-ad-67.png

DukeAllen
08-26-2013, 4:33pm
I had a 1978 Mustang II with a V-8 and a 4-speed. Fun little car, like having a factory hot rod. It was not very roomy at all, and the T-Tops leaked like a sieve.

I shared ownership of a 78 4 banger Ghia with my brother. POS but I still loved it. :lol:

The_Dude
08-26-2013, 4:34pm
Clearly, the motorcycle belongs to the dude.
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/1969-Ford-Mustang-Rev-08-09.jpg

69camfrk
08-26-2013, 5:21pm
I'll wait until it comes out to reserve judgement. The new Camaro looks like it needs to hit a buffet just to get out of the parking lot. The Challenger, while I like the way it looks, is well, a Chrysler product. Straight up deal breaker for me. The Mustang will hang on to some of the old and bring in some new and still run circles around Mopar and Chevy. Don't get me wrong, I love Camaro's. First gen's run through my blood and have for a long time, especially the '69. I've driven a new SS. Did not like. I've driven a few new Mustang 5.0's, and brothers and sisters, they will get down with their bad selves, and love boost. Price, power, looks, wise Mustang has them all beat. They love boost and to make them spin the rollers off a dyno doesn't take huge mods. The Challenger without heavy mods is lucky to propel itself under its own power. Ford will not disappoint when the new Stang comes out. Oh, and the new Z/28 GMAFB. 60K for something that will be on blocks in trailer park in 4 years ain't worth that kind of cash layout. Feel free to quote me on any of my statements here. It's true, and well, the truth hurts.

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 5:26pm
I'll wait until it comes out to reserve judgement. The new Camaro looks like it needs to hit a buffet just to get out of the parking lot. The Challenger, while I like the way it looks, is well, a Chrysler product. Straight up deal breaker for me. The Mustang will hang on to some of the old and bring in some new and still run circles around Mopar and Chevy. Don't get me wrong, I love Camaro's. First gen's run through my blood and have for a long time, especially the '69. I've driven a new SS. Did not like. I've driven a few new Mustang 5.0's, and brothers and sisters, they will get down with their bad selves, and love boost. Price, power, looks, wise Mustang has them all beat. They love boost and to make them spin the rollers off a dyno doesn't take huge mods. The Challenger without heavy mods is lucky to propel itself under its own power. Ford will not disappoint when the new Stang comes out. Oh, and the new Z/28 GMAFB. 60K for something that will be on blocks in trailer park in 4 years ain't worth that kind of cash layout. Feel free to quote me on any of my statements here. It's true, and well, the truth hurts.
I've notched many many kills on R/T Challengers/Chargers. It is to the point where it isn't even worth the effort anymore. :D :lol:

lspencer534
08-26-2013, 5:30pm
I've notched many many kills on R/T Challengers/Chargers. It is to the point where it isn't even worth the effort anymore. :D :lol:

Notched any kills against the Tesla? :leaving:

C5SilverBullet
08-26-2013, 5:54pm
Notched any kills against the Tesla? :leaving:

The only one I see is a model S with an old ass man driving it. I would love to drive one of those though.

Frizzle
08-26-2013, 8:24pm
I love the 13+ 5.0's Really dig the rear lights.

I would highly consider getting one... however financials are a bit tight for me to justify a 15K loan on a car that would consume more gas then my current DD. Besides 20-30K miles a year is just a bit much to be feeding a V8.

RED-85-Z51
08-26-2013, 8:35pm
Its nice and all ,but it aint no Terminator...

http://img.netcarshow.com/Ford-Mustang_SVT_Cobra_2004_1600x1200_wallpaper_08.jpg