View Full Version : A Guy I Know Defended His Family And Shot Two Scumbags.
Jeff '79
07-30-2013, 8:56pm
This is a wild story about a guy that worked for me about 8 years ago, and still works in my building.
Bottom line is he defended his family and property from two armed robbers, shot them, and won't be charged.
Way to go John!! :hurray:
Watch the video, as our liberal news station tries to spin it ...
Shooting of Alleged Buffalo Robbers Raises Self Defense Questions | wgrz.com (http://www.wgrz.com/(S(gae21n45twlwgi2xf2ouxx45))/news/article/221475/13/Shooting-of-Alleged-Buffalo-Robbers-Raises-Self-Defense-Questions-)
Fastguy
07-30-2013, 9:00pm
Good
FasterTraffic
07-30-2013, 9:03pm
I read the article and the incident does raise questions:
1. Why aren't both assailants dead?
2. Was the caliber used sufficient?
3. Was the homeowner's firearm loaded with FMJ or JHP ammunition?
4. How many center mass hits did the homeowner score?
5. Should the homeowner have finished them off with an ax or sword?
6. Can someone shoot the perpetrator's friends, too, as a crime-prevention measure?
Jeff '79
07-30-2013, 9:08pm
I read the article and the incident does raise questions:
1. Why aren't both assailants dead?
2. Was the caliber used sufficient?
3. Was the homeowner's firearm loaded with FMJ or JHP ammunition?
4. How many center mass hits did the homeowner score?
5. Should the homeowner have finished them off with an ax or sword?
6. Can someone shoot the perpetrator's friends, too, as a crime-prevention measure?
1) Good question
2) 9mm, see question #1
3) Good question
4) One guy chest is in critical, one guy thigh is ok....Dammit
5) No, he should have backed his SUV over them a few times
6) That would solve a lot of problems :yesnod:
:Jeff '79:
I read the article and the incident does raise questions:
6. Can someone shoot the perpetrator's friends, too, as a crime-prevention measure?
...or the maggot reporter who clearly has a problem with shooting "poor defenseless" criminals
ConstantChange
07-30-2013, 9:23pm
"Duty to retreat." Give me a f'n break.
It blows my mind that anyone would have a problem with robbers getting shot. Too bad he didn't kill both of them. Hopefully him and his family are doing okay after all this.
BADRACR1
07-30-2013, 9:23pm
:seasix::dance::BADRACR1:
Jeff '79
07-30-2013, 9:26pm
"Duty to retreat." Give me a f'n break.
It blows my mind that anyone would have a problem with robbers getting shot. Too bad he didn't kill both of them. Hopefully him and his family are doing okay after all this.
:iagree: I hope that John's family doesn't suffer financially or mentally due to this incident. Him and his boys are good , hard working people, just trying to get ahead in life.
Was just walking the dog. Heard banging on sheet metal from the direction of my shop. Walked toward the shop, pulled my pistol, looked about. Nope, noise coming from next property over. Gun back in holster. Finish walking dog.
S&W 329.
Jeff '79
07-30-2013, 9:28pm
Was just walking the dog. Heard banging on sheet metal from the direction of my shop. Walked toward the shop, pulled my pistol, looked about. Nope, noise coming from next property over. Gun back in holster. Finish walking dog.
S&W 329.
How'd the ticker handle that?:waiting:
RxCritical
07-30-2013, 9:28pm
The sad aspect of this is that unless NY has some law against it, he is likely to have a Civil Lawsuit on his hands. :(
Blademaker
07-30-2013, 9:28pm
"Duty to retreat." Give me a f'n break.
It blows my mind that anyone would have a problem with robbers getting shot. Too bad he didn't kill both of them. Hopefully him and his family are doing okay after all this.
This ^
Only problem I see is that he shoulda killed them both and done a Dexter with their corpses.
JRD77VET
07-30-2013, 9:29pm
:iagree: I hope that John's family doesn't suffer financially or mentally due to this incident. Him and his boys are good , hard working people, just trying to get ahead in life.
Nice of the news to show his house too :slap:
"Duty to retreat." Give me a f'n break.
It blows my mind that anyone would have a problem with robbers getting shot. Too bad he didn't kill both of them. Hopefully him and his family are doing okay after all this.
I kinda feel like I've got a duty...to myself, to retreat, I really don't want to shoot someone, but once I've found cover, if the dude(s) does anything other than run for his own life...I'm going to start shooting.
How'd the ticker handle that?:waiting:
Just fine.
Gun in hand pointed at ground. Could be on target in about 1/2 sec. One handed. You don't always have both hands available. I shoot fine one handed. How I learned.
OddBall
07-31-2013, 3:33am
Homeowner defends himself in his own yard, and the state and media have to pick it apart looking for any tidbit of blame that they can place on the homeowner, who is the victim here.
If the homeowner had been killed, it would have barely been a news item.
And the whole attitude of the state and media would have been; tsk-tsk, find those bad men and lock them up for a couple of years.
So why shouldn't every criminal out there run rampart? The state has basically made self defense the crime, and perpetuating a real crime has become a game of catch-me-if-you-can.
ft laud mike
07-31-2013, 3:53am
Homeowner defends himself in his own yard, and the state and media have to pick it apart looking for any tidbit of blame that they can place on the homeowner, who is the victim here.
If the homeowner had been killed, it would have barely been a news item.
And the whole attitude of the state and media would have been; tsk-tsk, find those bad men and lock them up for a couple of years.
So why shouldn't every criminal out there run rampart? The state has basically made self defense the crime, and perpetuating a real crime has become a game of catch-me-if-you-can.
Funny how someone can choose to rob people, but yet it is the victim's fault if the robber's actions cause harm to the robber
jaxgator
07-31-2013, 5:37am
The state attorney is going to take this to the grand jury? :wtf: Why? This should be an open and shut case based on the law stated by that defense attorney.
GentleBen
07-31-2013, 6:49am
The state attorney is going to take this to the grand jury? :wtf: Why? This should be an open and shut case based on the law stated by that defense attorney.
Because we are talking New York and no States Attorney wants to be seen as being light on prosecuting gun crimes under the current state administration. How else is he/she supposed to promote themselves within the machine of party politics?
jaxgator
07-31-2013, 6:53am
Because we are talking New York and no States Attorney wants to be seen as being light on prosecuting gun crimes under the current state administration. How else is he/she supposed to promote themselves within the machine of party politics?
Ah yes. Politically motivated. Gotcha.
Hopefully someone robs the reporter and idiot trying to prosecute the victim.
Nice, I was in Kenmore two weeks ago. Nice neighborhood, stone houses and more armed citizens than you would have thought. More than these two douchebags thought anyway.
Game is changing. More honest people have concealed guns. And know how to use them.
Do you feel lucky punk? Well do you?
For you, that's great. That same feeling shouldn't be applied to everyone. :cert:
I'm a coward...but I AM an armed coward.
I am happy to see your Friend was able to defend himself and his family. Regrettably it's such a hard process to be able to do that in NY.
FasterTraffic
07-31-2013, 10:20am
Funny how someone can choose to rob people, but yet it is the victim's fault if the robber's actions cause harm to the robber
:iagree:
How To Avoid Being Shot While Trying to Rob Someone:
Step #1: Don't try to rob people.
Step #2: Repeat step #1.
Blademaker
07-31-2013, 10:28am
I get ya. I would honestly probably try to talk my way out of a situation first or get out w/no physical confrontation.
BUT if push comes to shove, their life ends before mine or my family's. :yesnod:
:iagree:
island14
07-31-2013, 10:37am
Bad job of profiling on the robbers part???... :island14:
Never!
And I repeat NEVER!
Try to rob a guy washing his car with a NRA sticker on it.
onedef92
07-31-2013, 11:08am
Good for John. Bad for the thug-a-boos.
Admiral Blue
07-31-2013, 11:26am
Bad job of profiling on the robbers part???... :island14:
Never!
And I repeat NEVER!
Try to rob a guy washing his car with a NRA sticker on it.
Profiling is illegal and racist here in the states. Those poor robbers. :leaving:
Vet4jdc
07-31-2013, 11:53am
Poor homeowner....now he has to spend his hard earned money to purchase more ammunition! :D
I'd like to see any of the reporters get the shit scared out of them by an assailant, their tune will change post haste.
99 pewtercoupe
07-31-2013, 8:19pm
Bad job of profiling on the robbers part???... :island14:
Never!
And I repeat NEVER!
Try to rob a guy washing his car with a NRA sticker on it.
:seasix:
simpleman68
07-31-2013, 9:49pm
Protecting the family. :seasix:
Not much to discuss here other than maybe how traumatic it was to the victims.
Glad they are safe.
Scott
Jeff '79
07-31-2013, 9:51pm
Protecting the family. :seasix:
Not much to discuss here other than maybe how traumatic it was to the victims.
Glad they are safe.
Scott
:yesnod: That's what the news discussion should have been about.... John was actually at work yesterday. He's going to apply for disability for some time off....
simpleman68
07-31-2013, 10:02pm
:yesnod: That's what the news discussion should have been about.... John was actually at work yesterday. He's going to apply for disability for some time off....
Good deal. I often wonder how difficult it would be after having to kill somebody.
I'm hoping I'll never find out, but I'm ready to do so if I have to.
Scott
Jeff '79
08-01-2013, 6:01am
Finally! A sane article in The Buffalo News.... Some of the comments are just outrageous though.:Jeff '79:
Hunt’s gun delivered a message - City & Region - The Buffalo News (http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130731/CITYANDREGION/130739847/1002)
Stangkiller
08-01-2013, 7:15am
Finally! A sane article in The Buffalo News.... Some of the comments are just outrageous though.:Jeff '79:
Hunt’s gun delivered a message - City & Region - The Buffalo News (http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130731/CITYANDREGION/130739847/1002)
I made it to the completely erroneous Zimmerman reference. I can't handle that kind of ignorance.
Nemesis
08-01-2013, 8:09am
I'm a little surprised to see (it appears) the local government is on your buddy's side. Hope it stays that way.
Blademaker
08-01-2013, 10:40am
I made it to the completely erroneous Zimmerman reference. I can't handle that kind of ignorance.
Yeah, but I thought this comment was funny.......
"But this also wasn’t a case of an unarmed 17-year-old with iced tea and Skittles being shot after minding his own business."
Nor was the Trayvon Martin case.
So now, every time a lawful gun owner caps a criminal, its going to be compared to Trayvon Martin?
erickpl
08-01-2013, 10:57am
1) Good question
2) 9mm, see question #1
3) Good question
4) One guy chest is in critical, one guy thigh is ok....Dammit
5) No, he should have backed his SUV over them a few times
6) That would solve a lot of problems :yesnod:
:Jeff '79:
Couldn't do #5 - he had just washed it. :) Didn't want to get it dirty.
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