RCMP seize ‘substantial’ number of firearms from evacuated homes in High River

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High River flood: Guns seized by police as angry residents confront RCMP | Canada | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/28/high-river-residents-furious-after-rcmp-seize-substantial-number-of-firearms-from-evacuated-homes/)

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[Kerrmudgeon]

Better the cops take them for safe keeping than looters and gang bangers. If they're legal they'll get them back from the :polis:
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[JRD77VET]

Better the cops take them for safe keeping than looters and gang bangers. If they're legal they'll get them back from the :polis:
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And if they find one line not marked correctly on any form, they'll keep them.

How much bullshit and cost is it going to take to get their own possesions back?

[VatorMan]

Better the cops take them for safe keeping than looters and gang bangers. If they're legal they'll get them back from the :polis:
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So....you trust your .gov to do the right thing ?

[Kerrmudgeon]

And if they find one line not marked correctly on any form, they'll keep them.

How much bullshit and cost is it going to take to get their own possesions back?

You can't use American standards when talking about our country. Apples to oranges. Judge not........:canada:

[JRD77VET]

You can't use American standards when talking about our country. Apples to oranges. Judge not........:canada:

You had a national registration that was a multi BILLION dollar failure. :yesnod:

Your own people didn't stand for it. :hurray:

[Kerrmudgeon]

You had a national registration that was a multi BILLION dollar failure. :yesnod:

Your own people didn't stand for it. :hurray:

Let's put that in the correct context. That was a long gun registry, and had nothing to do with prohibited weapons or hand guns, and yes, I'm glad I didn't have to register mine. I held out until it was overturned. like I said I'd rather have my legal rifles in the hands of the RCMP temporarily than stolen by looters in a flood situation. :seasix:

[Knooger]

He did confirm that officers relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need.”

Sounds like they kicked their doors down to take the guns. I'd probably be alright with that.

[...Whitepower...]

It's Canada... WGAF.

[slewfoot]

Canadians, the other "white meat!" :rofl:

Ironic though, everything you like or don't like about Obama or our government is not as fked up as that is.

[FasterTraffic]

He did confirm that officers relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses during the early stages of the flood because of an “urgent need.”

As in, "we urgently need to steal these firearms while the owners are still away."

Did they know which houses had firearms or did they break into all the houses?

Topham said the confiscated firearms had been inventoried and were secure at an RCMP detachment. He was not at liberty to say how many firearms had been confiscated.

"If we tell you how many we confiscated, someone will count how many were returned and notice the numbers don't match."

“We have seized a large quantity of firearms simply because they were left by residents in their places,” said Topham.

The recommendation here is clearly to take all your firearms with you when you leave the house.

The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.

What a load of horse s**t. The RCMP should return everything unless they can prove the firearms aren't owned by the resident. In everything government does, the citizen always bears the burden of proof to unf**k whatever situation government created.

[snide]

You can't use American standards when talking about our country. Apples to oranges. Judge not........:canada:

Sorry Robbie, but if the police illegally entered my home, with out a warrant or probable cause, and took my possessions without my permission or knowledge, there would be hell to pay.

[JRD77VET]

Let's put that in the correct context. That was a long gun registry, and had nothing to do with prohibited weapons or hand guns, and yes, I'm glad I didn't have to register mine. I held out until it was overturned. like I said I'd rather have my legal rifles in the hands of the RCMP temporarily than stolen by looters in a flood situation. :seasix:

I'd rather not have "legal authorites" breaking into my house to take what is mine.

I am glad to hear you did hold out.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Sorry Robbie, but if the police illegally entered my home, with out a warrant or probable cause, and took my possessions without my permission or knowledge, there would be hell to pay.

I'd rather not have "legal authorites" breaking into my house to take what is mine.

I am glad to hear you did hold out.

Most of those houses were full of water and open, some floating.... no breaking in period. So you guys would rather have aholes in boats ripping you off? :crazy:

[JRD77VET]

Most of those houses were full of water and open, some floating.... no breaking in period. So you guys would rather have aholes in boats ripping you off? :crazy:

Safe is thru bolted to two walls and the floor. A boat isn't going to have enough "umph" to move it.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Safe is thru bolted to two walls and the floor. A boat isn't going to have enough "umph" to move it.

And the cops wouldn't get them either. The ones they took were not in gun safes, just lying around, where anyone could steal them. Windows were all blown out from the water pressure as well. We saw it all on the news. :seasix:

[Knooger]

And the cops wouldn't get them either. The ones they took were not in gun safes, just lying around, where anyone could steal them. Windows were all blown out from the water pressure as well. We saw it all on the news. :seasix:

That's less offensive than what I was picturing.

[sanchez]

And the cops wouldn't get them either. The ones they took were not in gun safes, just lying around, where anyone could steal them. Windows were all blown out from the water pressure as well. We saw it all on the news. :seasix:

Is it common for people to leave fire arms just sitting around, out in the open?

[kingpin]

This is a useless thread isn't it.
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[FasterTraffic]

That's less offensive than what I was picturing.

I don't see how that jives with, "He did confirm that officers relied on forced entry to get into numerous houses." Also, guns don't float, so it's not like all these firearms are floating out the broken window and drifting all over town.

[island14]

What a load of horse s**t. The RCMP should return everything unless they can prove the firearms aren't owned by the resident. In everything government does, the citizen always bears the burden of proof to unf**k whatever situation government created.

I don't know anything about Canada laws, but in the US the burden of proof is on the State.

To be fair all the owners should have to do is provide proof that it was their home.

But you can believe all gun numbers will be checked before being released.

Meanwhile... I have to wonder what all else was confiscated that they would later claim to have seen in plain view, while doing their warrantless searches.

A few Bongs maybe? and wonder if they will try to file charges.. :island14:

“People have a significant amount of money invested in firearms … so we put them in a place that we control and that they’re safe.”

So this was to protect the peoples belongings? did they also collect any Jewelry, or cash for safe keeping? :confused5:

[Kerrmudgeon]

I don't know anything about Canada laws, but in the US the burden of proof is on the State.

To be fair all the owners should have to do is provide proof that it was their home.

But you can believe all gun numbers will be checked before being released.

Meanwhile... I have to wonder what all else was confiscated that they would later claim to have seen in plain view, while doing their warrantless searches.

A few Bongs maybe? and wonder if they will try to file charges.. :island14:



So this was to protect the peoples belongings? did they also collect any Jewelry, or cash for safe keeping? :confused5:

Oh please, this is Canada, not the Philippians. Duddley Dooright and all that rot! :roll:
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[OddBall]

The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership, Topham added.



What a load of horse s**t. The RCMP should return everything unless they can prove the firearms aren't owned by the resident. In everything government does, the citizen always bears the burden of proof to unf**k whatever situation government created.


Also, all that you have to do to "prove" that they were your's, would be to show your name and address. Like a drivers license.
If they didn't record what they took from what home, then they have no intention of returning anything.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Also, all that you have to do to "prove" that they were your's, would be to show your name and address. Like a drivers license.
If they didn't record what they took from what home, then they have no intention of returning anything.

They had to record what came from where by law. :doh:

[OddBall]

They had to record what came from where by law. :doh:

Is that the criteria for getting them back? Or are they going to insist on serial numbers?
Also records, as well as property, tend to get "lost".

The only thing that is certain is that they got the guns, and the owners don't.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Kerrmudgeon]

Is that the criteria for getting them back? Or are they going to insist on serial numbers?
Also records, as well as property, tend to get "lost".

The only thing that is certain is that they got the guns, and the owners don't.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Don't forget that this is Calgary, home of the Canadian Cowboy, the Canadian Dallas, where shotguns and rifles are part of most urban homes. If they didn't give them back, there would be serious repercussions.

[Burnt C6]

Just to remind everyone the New Orleans police did basically the same thing to citizens when Katrina hit. They took them from people who were leaving town and those staying to protect their property.

[DJ_Critterus]

Better the cops take them for safe keeping than looters and gang bangers. If they're legal they'll get them back from the :polis:
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I've heard that same argument when Katrina gave NOLA and enema.