Holy hell..."Precious" just took the stand for the prosecution...

[RED-85-Z51]

Anyone else seeing this?

She woulda crushed trayvon...I call foul.

[Mike Mercury]

http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/small/1003/food-precious-demotivational-poster-1268087321.jpg

[erickpl]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Stangkiller]

If she took the stand does that mean the judge ruled against letting the jury hear Zimmermans prior calls on suspicious people?

[RED-85-Z51]

Dam,n..this girl is dumb as a box of rocks..and thats not being totally fair to a box of rocks.

Explaining elapsed time, time frames, reference times, etc...


In her defense..she may be mildly retarded.

[RED-85-Z51]

Defense is having a field day with this dumbass...

[Craig]

I didn't see it, but to be fair, put me on the stand, in a murder trial, on national TV, I'm so nervous I'm probably going to babble like a four year old.

Edit: Okay, I've seen some of the testimony, she's an idiot.

[Y2Kvert4me]

Her reaction to finding out she has to return for more cross exam tomorrow...


What!?!?!

Clearest thing she said all day. :rofl:

[Jay13]

Dude, what's your fascination with this case?? I followed Jodi Arias, but only uz she was kinda hot and like anal.

[RED-85-Z51]

Dude, what's your fascination with this case?? I followed Jodi Arias, but only uz she was kinda hot and like anal.

I really wouldnt give a shit, if the ACLU, Sharpton, Jackson, Obamabutt and all the rest of them libs hadnt blown it all out of proportion...but this is an innocent man, going to jail for up to life..for obeying the law. Zimmerman IS America...he is being oppressed.

[Jay13]

I really wouldnt give a shit, if the ACLU, Sharpton, Jackson, Obamabutt and all the rest of them libs hadnt blown it all out of proportion...but this is an innocent man, going to jail for up to life..for obeying the law. Zimmerman IS America...he is being oppressed.

Dunno. Maybe. Bigger shit in the world to worry about.

I know basically nothing about this case, but if he had not been a one-man neighborhood watch group, would he be where he is? He could have been home watching porn like everyone else and he wouldn't be on trial?

[Craig]

Dunno. Maybe. Bigger shit in the world to worry about.

I know basically nothing about this case, but if he had not been a one-man neighborhood watch group, would he be where he is? He could have been home watching porn like everyone else and he wouldn't be on trial?

Holy crap...

[RED-85-Z51]

Dunno. Maybe. Bigger shit in the world to worry about.

I know basically nothing about this case, but if he had not been a one-man neighborhood watch group, would he be where he is? He could have been home watching porn like everyone else and he wouldn't be on trial?

wow, yeah you really know nothing about this case.

The guy was the Sherrifs office liason to the neighborhood watch group that had been setup for this community, they had numerous breakins and robberies and the Police felt that a NW would at least help the problem. Zimm was given alot of info to help him and had called in multiple suspocious persons, but nothing ever became of it...as once the police got there, the people were long gone.

On this raininy dark night in question, Zimmerman was driving his honda Ridgeline through the community to go to Target, to get some lunch goodies for the upcoming work week. He is driving near the entrance and spots a person, walking between houses, stopping and starint at these complexes...Zimmerman stopped, called a special non-emergincy contact number and reported that there was a person walking and being suspecious, wandering around like there was something wrong with him. The person stared at Zimmerman for a bit ,then started to walk more towards the center of the community. Zimmerman folowed on foot, talking with police. The dispatcher told him he didnt need to follow on foot, so Zimmerman returned to his truck. En route to his truck, Trayvon allegedly approached Zimmerman and asked "Why are you following me"..to which Zimmerman responded "What are you doing in here". Then thephone went dead...a scuffle ensued during which time Zimmerman sustained punches t othe face, and had his head smashed into the concrete sidewalk, busting open his scalp. A witness says that Treyvon was on top, he had thrown Zimmerman t othe ground and was doing an MMA style "ground and pound".

At this time, after about 40 seconds, a scream is heard...then a cry for help, then a single gunshot. Treyvon fell limp..Zimmerman crawled out from under him...and staggered away until the cops arrived.


The prosecution is saying that Zimmerman was racially profiling him, and he shot him because he was black. However, during the recorded 911 calls..no one mentioned color/race until the dispatcher asked "Is he black, hispanic, white.."...toi which Zimmerman stopped...looked for a moment and replied, "he looks black".

If convicted..he faces no less than 25 to life in prison for murder2.

The police initially stated that with the evidence they had, that it was a pretty simple "stand your ground" case and Zimmerman was not arrested or charged. Treyvons Mother and father contacted the ACLU and others, who spun the story to the media..using biased pictures...one of a 13 year old Treyvon..and a rough picture of Zimmerman from the collar up..wearing an orange polo..(simialr to county orange)....

[Shrike6]

Isn't there at least a minimum standard of intelligence needed to be considered a credible witness? I could get a more rational testimony from a 3 year old.

[Jay13]

Holy crap...

:rolleyes: Why don't you specify your particular basis for Pontification of your fecal matter? I already stated I know little about this case. I wasn't there, didn't CSI the scene and have no idea what happened. Aside from answering my question abut Red's interest in this case (please don't tell me that's your expertise also), what's your problem?

Sorry, but injustice occurs every day. This isn't even in the top 10 this week. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Your best bet is to reduce your odds by not placing yourself into situations where ypu might face the luck of the draw.

[DJ_Critterus]

If she took the stand does that mean the judge ruled against letting the jury hear Zimmermans prior calls on suspicious people?

No. she let that stand even though the prosecution admitted that Precious lied to the police in her statements to them.

[StaticCling]

Dunno. Maybe. Bigger shit in the world to worry about.

I know basically nothing about this case, but if he had not been a one-man neighborhood watch group, would he be where he is? He could have been home watching porn like everyone else and he wouldn't be on trial?

Well, if he (Zimmerman) gets off (and he should), you might just have to worry about it. You are going to see a riot just like '94, maybe worse.

[Jay13]

wow, yeah you really know nothing about this case

Agreed and acknowledged. Did not mean to offend - I was truly curious in why you were so intereted in this case. Like it or not, it's a fact that you are more likely to take shrapnel when you put yourself in the line of fire. I question the sanity of anyone who gets into such a situation solo.

[Craig]

:rolleyes: Why don't you specify your particular basis for Pontification of your fecal matter? I already stated I know little about this case. I wasn't there, didn't CSI the scene and have no idea what happened. Aside from answering my question abut Red's interest in this case (please don't tell me that's your expertise also), what's your problem?

Sorry, but injustice occurs every day. This isn't even in the top 10 this week. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Your best bet is to reduce your odds by not placing yourself into situations where ypu might face the luck of the draw.

He's a guy watching out for his neighbors, got his ass kicked for his troubles, killed a guy while defending his own life, and now he's being punished for it; but you're right, if he had stayed in his own house, watching porn, none of this would have happened. Maybe that's a life we should all aspire to.

And I suppose I should apologize to you for what I typed out and deleted before I hit submit.

[LilRedCorvette]

Dam,n..this girl is dumb as a box of rocks..and thats not being totally fair to a box of rocks.

Explaining elapsed time, time frames, reference times, etc...

In her defense..she may be mildly retarded.

Isn't there at least a minimum standard of intelligence needed to be considered a credible witness? I could get a more rational testimony from a 3 year old.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lilredcorvette94/Funny%20Pics%20and%20Graphics/8CA0D7FBF41442EFA94189C1E80E4FAC.gif

[Jay13]

No. she let that stand even though the prosecution admitted that Precious lied to the police in her statements to them.

Ok, I know this will highlight my ignorance about this case, but who the hell is "Precious"?? Is that seriously someone's legal name??


Well, if he (Zimmerman) gets off (and he should), you might just have to worry about it. You are going to see a riot just like '94, maybe worse.

So are you in favor of convicting? Either way, not likely to be riots outside of Florida. I'm in favor of letting Gene handle it. :cert:

[StaticCling]

So are you in favor of convicting? Either way, not likely to be riots outside of Florida. I'm in favor of letting Gene handle it. :cert:


No. I believe he is innocent. If he is convicted, it's simply a political agenda and not due process.

We live in very strange and troubling times. I am glad I don't have children. :sadangel:


And to add, this shouldn't have even gone to trial. It's stupid.

[StaticCling]

And it's also naive to think that there wouldn't be riots outside of Florida. In '94, just about every Urban area in the country rioted over Rodney King, and he lived.

Back in the day, I saw a T-shirt in Venice Beach that said:

'LAPD, We Treat You Like A King!'

[Stangkiller]

No. I believe he is innocent. If he is convicted, it's simply a political agenda and not due process.

We live in very strange and troubling times. I am glad I don't have children. :sadangel:


And to add, this shouldn't have even gone to trial. It's stupid.

It wouldn't have gone to trial, had this case been referred to a grand jury. Unfortunately the "special prosecutor" who prayed for "justice" with the perpetrators (Trayvon martin) parents before she began her "investigation". The "Special Prosecutor" was brought in with an agenda and she couldn't have been bothered by due process.

[StaticCling]

It wouldn't have gone to trial, had this case been referred to a grand jury. Unfortunately the "special prosecutor" who prayed for "justice" with the perpetrators (Trayvon martin) parents before she began her "investigation". The "Special Prosecutor" was brought in with an agenda and she couldn't have been bothered by due process.

Thank you for clarifying that fact. :cert:


Also, if the shoe was on the other foot, this would have never received ANY Lamestream Media coverage. At All. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

And then you had Obama opening his big F**KING Mouth.

[Stangkiller]

Thank you for clarifying that fact. :cert:


Also, if the shoe was on the other foot, this would have never received ANY Lamestream Media coverage. At All. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

And then you had Obama opening his big F**KING Mouth.

Don't leave the other two racists out of that statement.

[Jay13]

He's a guy watching out for his neighbors, got his ass kicked for his troubles, killed a guy while defending his own life, and now he's being punished for it.

I think I've been pretty clear that I don't know the facts, but a couple of quick searches indicate that your conclusory statements are, just that. As I said, I really don't GAFF. I want justice to be done (whether conviction or acquittal), but I'm not naive enough to care what the result is.

But you're right, if he had stayed in his own house, watching porn, none of this would have happened. Maybe that's a life we should all aspire to.

And I suppose I should apologize to you for what I typed out and deleted before I hit submit.

:rofl: I can honestly say that I've had hemorrhiods that have given me more concern than your opinion. Go ahead and say what you feel vs. deleting it because you lack the balls.

[Craig]

As I said, I really don't GAFF.

Then why comment at all? I was dumbfounded by your response.

but I'm not naive enough to care what the result is...

Like I said...

As for the last line of my second post, I shouldn't have included it, I apologize. As for your response to it: Yes, you're definitely awesome.

[LisaJohn]

questions:
1. Is Precious the actress?

2. Why is she on the stand?

3. How is she involved?

[Stangkiller]

questions:
1. Is Precious the actress?

2. Why is she on the stand?

3. How is she involved?

Unrelated, they just look similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precious_(film)

[StaticCling]

Unrelated, they just look similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precious_(film)

Are you saying all black people look alike?


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/352/749/e44.gif

[Stangkiller]

Trayvons 'gf'
http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/images/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-56-062613.jpg
"precious"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Gabourey_Sidibe_2010.jpg/170px-Gabourey_Sidibe_2010.jpg

[StaticCling]

Trayvons 'gf'
http://cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/images/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-56-062613.jpg
"precious"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Gabourey_Sidibe_2010.jpg/170px-Gabourey_Sidibe_2010.jpg

Damn. :Jeff '79:

Seperated at Birf?

[Cybercowboy]

Jay, I'm staggered at your comments here.

[RED-85-Z51]

Jay, I'm staggered at your comments here.

As am I.

Ive got a Joke for JAy...


KNOCK KNOCK...

[Stangkiller]

Ok if she's the best Trayvon could do what exactly does it say about his decision making abilities.

He attacked an innocent man, who happened to be carrying a gun...his decision making abilities are already clearly fried....it's probably related to all the pot he was smoking, and street fights he was participating in.

[RED-85-Z51]

He attacked an innocent man, who happened to be carrying a gun...his decision making abilities are already clearly fried....it's probably related to all the pot he was smoking, and street fights he was participating in.

And the homebrewed NArcotic drinks he was so fond of...

[Jay13]

Jay, I'm staggered at your comments here.

Please elaborate.

I admitted that I know virually NOTHING about this case.
I am curious why Red is fascinated by it
I believe one of the few facts the prosecution and defense would agree upon is that the defendant and the victim were alone.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while carrying a badge is asking for trouble.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while not carrying a badge is begging for trouble.
I was tongue in cheek and in poor taste when I suggested he would have been better off at home watching porn, but the fact remains that the defendant put himself in this situation.
Hero or vigilante, I honestly don't care because only two people in the world now what really happended and one is dead.
I wish justice to be done, but I cannot change history or what is going to happen to him.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

And it's also naive to think that there wouldn't be riots outside of Florida. In '94, just about every Urban area in the country rioted over Rodney King, and he lived.

Back in the day, I saw a T-shirt in Venice Beach that said:

'LAPD, We Treat You Like A King!'

It was 1992, yes?


I agree with the majority here. It's ridiculous that this even went to trial. If he's found innocent (1) I think there may be some small groups of people trying to cause trouble, but I think it will be squashed fairly quickly and (2) the black community will be complaining about how he was found innocent because the jury was made up of mostly WHITE women.

[erickpl]

If the prosecutor can establish that Zimmerman's following Martin escalated the situation, then Zimmerman is in for it.

People carrying firearms responsibly won't try to escalate a situation or provoke a confrontation so as to NOT need the firearm.

Whether Zimmerman did this or not and whether Martin attacked first or as a self defense measure against Zimmerman is the key here I think. Right now I think Zimmerman is in a lot of trouble unless the defense can discredit these witnesses.

Some residents are saying the voice they heard screaming sounded like a boy or a skinny man. Hardly scientific. I've seen videos of large men screaming like a school girl (funny as hell too). So that may not hold water.

[RED-85-Z51]

Precious is going down...

She says that the Martins Attorney had asked her if she felt this was a racially motivated thing...however in the official transscripts and recordings..there is no record of that question. Meaning that he never recorded that question.

this is going really well for my Boy G-Zimm

[...Whitepower...]

Anyone else seeing this?
.

No, we are working..:D

[xXBUDXx]

This is painful to watch..........:leaving:

[Stangkiller]

No, we are working..:D

:iagree: I need updates!

[onedef92]

Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call

US June 26, 2013

SANFORD, Fla. — A friend who was on the phone with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman testified that she heard the Miami teen shout, "Get off! Get off!" before his telephone went dead.

Rachel Jeantel, 19, recounted to jurors in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial how Martin told her he was being followed by a man as he walked through the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome complex on his way back from a convenience store to the home of his father's fiancee.

Jeantel is considered one of the prosecution's most important witnesses because she was the last person to talk to Martin before his encounter with Zimmerman on Feb. 26, 2012. She testified that Martin described the man following him as "a creepy-ass cracker" and he thought he had evaded him. But she said a short time later Martin let out a profanity.

Martin said Zimmerman was behind him and she heard Martin ask: "What are you following me for?" She then heard what sounded like Martin's phone earpiece drop into the grass and she heard him say, "Get off! Get off!" The phone then went dead, she said.

Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder for killing Martin. Zimmerman followed him in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.

Zimmerman has claimed self-defense, saying he opened fire after the teenager jumped him and began slamming his head against the concrete sidewalk. Zimmerman identifies himself as Hispanic and has denied that his confrontation with the black teenager had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and its supporters have claimed.

Jeantel's testimony came after two former neighbors of Zimmerman testified Wednesday about hearing howls and shouts for help in the moments before the shooting. Jayne Surdyka told the court that immediately before the shooting, she heard an aggressive voice and a softer voice exchanging words for several minutes in an area behind her townhome at the Retreat at Twin Lakes.

"It was someone being very aggressive and angry at someone," she said. During the struggle, she said, she saw a person in dark clothes on top of the other person. Martin was wearing a dark sweatshirt and Zimmerman wore red clothing. Surdyka said she saw the person who was on top get off the body after the shot was fired.

Surdyka said she heard cries for help and then multiple gunshots: "pop, pop, pop." Only one shot was fired in the fatal encounter. "I truly believe the second yell for help was a yelp," said Surdyka, who later dabbed away tears as prosecutors played her 911 call. "It was excruciating. I really felt it was a boy's voice."

During cross-examination, defense attorney Don West tried to show there was a lapse in what Surdyka saw. Defense attorneys contend Martin was on top of Zimmerman during the struggle, but after the neighborhood watch volunteer fired a shot, Zimmerman got on top of Martin.

West also challenged Surdyka about her belief that the cry for help was a boy's voice, saying she was making an assumption. The other neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin, saying he was the bigger of the two based on pictures she saw of Martin on television after the fight. Manalo also described hearing howling, but she couldn't tell who it was coming from, and then a "help sound" a short time later.

Under cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked why Manalo had never mentioned her belief that Zimmerman was on top in previous police interviews. He also got her to concede that her perception of Martin's size was based on five-year-old photos on television that showed a younger and smaller Martin.

Martin's parents have said they believe the cries for help heard by neighbors came from their son, while Zimmerman's father believes the cries belong to his son. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys believe they could show whether Zimmerman or Martin was the aggressor in the encounter. Defense attorneys successfully argued against allowing prosecution experts who claimed the cries belonged to Martin.

Jeantel on Wednesday testified that she believed the cries were Martin's because "Trayvon has kind of a baby voice." The defense attorney challenged that, claiming she was less certain in a previous deposition.

Jeantel, 19, also explained that she had initially lied about her age — she claimed to be 16 — to protect her privacy when she was initially contacted by an attorney for Martin's family to give a recorded statement over the telephone about what she knew about the few moments before Martin's encounter with Zimmerman. She was expected to finish her testimony on Thursday.

While being cross-examined, Jeantel had several testy exchange with West, including one moment when she prompted the defense attorney to ask his next question: "You can go. You can go." Before the February 2012 shooting, Zimmerman had made about a half dozen calls to a nonemergency police number to report suspicious characters in his neighborhood. Judge Debra Nelson on Wednesday ruled that they could be played for jurors.

Prosecutors had argued that the police dispatch calls were central to their case that Zimmerman committed second-degree murder since they showed his state of mind. He was increasingly frustrated with repeated burglaries and had reached a breaking point the night he shot the unarmed teenager, prosecutors say.

Defense attorneys argued that the calls were irrelevant and that nothing matters but the seven or eight minutes before Zimmerman fired the deadly shot into Martin's chest. Seven of the nine jurors and alternates scribbled attentively on their notepads as the calls were played.

[C5SilverBullet]

No, we are working..:D

:lol:

[Cybercowboy]

Please elaborate.

I admitted that I know virually NOTHING about this case.
I am curious why Red is fascinated by it
I believe one of the few facts the prosecution and defense would agree upon is that the defendant and the victim were alone.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while carrying a badge is asking for trouble.
I believe that shooting someone without witnesses while not carrying a badge is begging for trouble.
I was tongue in cheek and in poor taste when I suggested he would have been better off at home watching porn, but the fact remains that the defendant put himself in this situation.
Hero or vigilante, I honestly don't care because only two people in the world now what really happended and one is dead.
I wish justice to be done, but I cannot change history or what is going to happen to him.

I don't even know where to start. The way the media has covered this versus what is actually factually known is something that I've never seen before. It's a perfect storm. The term "high-tech lynching" comes to mind. You're right, you don't know a thing about this case, and a quick Google of it isn't going to help you understand anything about it either.

I've been reading a few very good and in-depth websites that have focused on the players in this case. Can you remember a case where a man was declared by police to have acted properly in self defense, and then have a sitting President of the USA come out and all but declare him guilty of murder? Then sic the racial justice arm of the Justice Department to investigate the guy? I sure haven't.

Have you heard of a murder trial taking place where the prime witness was approached by a detective, the State's lead attorney, the victim's mother, her lawyer, and a few others involved in the prosecution and then have all interviews take place with these people present? WTF? Holy witness tampering Batman!

Since you are a lawyer, if you want to see what a judge that is so biased for the prosecution that it could be part of a SNL skit, just take a gander. If you want to see a trial where the State's witnesses all end up testifying for the Defense, take a gander.

The fact is that an entire scheme to extract $$$$$$ was erected by a web of people, with the threat of racial riots if they don't get their way, with the goal of making it so that a certain class of people can no longer defend themselves against another class of people. Zimmerman didn't have a choice of waiting for witnesses to show up. Martin was going MMA style on his cracker ass, smothering him, smashing his head against the sidewalk, and then bumped against Zimmerman's gun. Earlier, when Martin was circling Zimmerman's truck, looking at him menacingly, Martin placed his hand in his waistband in the universal thug language "I'm strapped yo!"

He was just trying to keep an eye on a man he saw in his neighbor's back yard, looking into his window, in the rain, at night. He wasn't "ordered" to stay in his car, hell, the NEN operator testified that he didn't even know he was in a vehicle at any point of the call. He wasn't ordered not to follow Martin, in fact he was asked if he could keep an eye on him until the police arrived. There was home invasions, burglaries, and other serious crimes that had taken place in this small gated community over the last year or so. Zimmerman was the point man for that community, meaning that residents would forward their concerns to Zimmerman and he would report them to the police through their Watch Coordinator.

It was as clear a case of self-defense as could be, yet he made the mistake of shooting a person of the wrong sort, one of the protected class.

I haven't even begun to explain the incredible level of injustice in this case. I don't think the internet could hold it all.

[C5SilverBullet]

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN TRIAL WITNESS RACHEL GEANTEL 6.26.13 PT.17 (Trayvon GF) - YouTube

[C5SilverBullet]

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

[vetteman9368]

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

Yup, can you say hood rat?

[SnikPlosskin]

This woman is supposed to be the "star" witness?

That's a woman?

[C5SilverBullet]

Yup, can you say hood rat?

She contradicted herself at least a dozen times in that video.

[StaticCling]

It was 1992, yes?


I agree with the majority here. It's ridiculous that this even went to trial. If he's found innocent (1) I think there may be some small groups of people trying to cause trouble, but I think it will be squashed fairly quickly and (2) the black community will be complaining about how he was found innocent because the jury was made up of mostly WHITE women.

You are correct Sandy. My fault.

[RED-85-Z51]

Today the issue is, her deposition from the prosecutuon has her say "I couldnt hear cuz uh duh headphones, not well"...then she says something along the lines of "i heard a lil "get off"....like, barely...a lil get off"....Then the prosecutor says "So this was trayvon saying get off get off?...to which she replies "I couldnt hear trayvon"....now she is saying that she "could" hear trayvon...clearly.

She has been caught with her face in the cookie jar...the jury has been ordered out of the courtroom, and both legal teams are at the bench. Prosecution does NOT want the jury to hear the tape....and Defense wants them to hear it ,and make their minds up for themselvs what they think she said...

[onedef92]

Today the issue is, her deposition from the prosecutuon has her say "I couldnt hear cuz uh duh headphones, not well"...then she says something along the lines of "i heard a lil "get off"....like, barely...a lil get off"....Then the prosecutor says "So this was trayvon saying get off get off?...to which she replies "I couldnt hear trayvon"....now she is saying that she "could" hear trayvon...clearly.

She has been caught with her face in the cookie jar...the jury has been ordered out of the courtroom, and both legal teams are at the bench. Prosecution does NOT want the jury to hear the tape....and Defense wants them to hear it ,and make their minds up for themselvs what they think she said...

Sounds like a lot of :bs:-assed coutroom theatre to me.

[Fasglas]

I don't even know where to start. The way the media has covered this versus what is actually factually known is something that I've never seen before. It's a perfect storm. The term "high-tech lynching" comes to mind. You're right, you don't know a thing about this case, and a quick Google of it isn't going to help you understand anything about it either.

I've been reading a few very good and in-depth websites that have focused on the players in this case. Can you remember a case where a man was declared by police to have acted properly in self defense, and then have a sitting President of the USA come out and all but declare him guilty of murder? Then sic the racial justice arm of the Justice Department to investigate the guy? I sure haven't.

Have you heard of a murder trial taking place where the prime witness was approached by a detective, the State's lead attorney, the victim's mother, her lawyer, and a few others involved in the prosecution and then have all interviews take place with these people present? WTF? Holy witness tampering Batman!

Since you are a lawyer, if you want to see what a judge that is so biased for the prosecution that it could be part of a SNL skit, just take a gander. If you want to see a trial where the State's witnesses all end up testifying for the Defense, take a gander.

The fact is that an entire scheme to extract $$$$$$ was erected by a web of people, with the threat of racial riots if they don't get their way, with the goal of making it so that a certain class of people can no longer defend themselves against another class of people. Zimmerman didn't have a choice of waiting for witnesses to show up. Martin was going MMA style on his cracker ass, smothering him, smashing his head against the sidewalk, and then bumped against Zimmerman's gun. Earlier, when Martin was circling Zimmerman's truck, looking at him menacingly, Martin placed his hand in his waistband in the universal thug language "I'm strapped yo!"

He was just trying to keep an eye on a man he saw in his neighbor's back yard, looking into his window, in the rain, at night. He wasn't "ordered" to stay in his car, hell, the NEN operator testified that he didn't even know he was in a vehicle at any point of the call. He wasn't ordered not to follow Martin, in fact he was asked if he could keep an eye on him until the police arrived. There was home invasions, burglaries, and other serious crimes that had taken place in this small gated community over the last year or so. Zimmerman was the point man for that community, meaning that residents would forward their concerns to Zimmerman and he would report them to the police through their Watch Coordinator.

It was as clear a case of self-defense as could be, yet he made the mistake of shooting a person of the wrong sort, one of the protected class.

I haven't even begun to explain the incredible level of injustice in this case. I don't think the internet could hold it all.

:iagree: Well said. Additionally, I wonder where the EPIC payday the Martins are seeking will come from. It IS all about the payday.

[Z06David]

that neck roll frightens me

[Madmikeee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/madmikeee/AGAF.jpg

[Cybercowboy]

:iagree: Well said. Additionally, I wonder where the EPIC payday the Martins are seeking will come from. It IS all about the payday.

Ben Crump, Tracy Martin, and Sebrina whatshername have already collected approximately $2 million from the HOA's insurance company in an out-of-court settlement. Essentially extortion money to keep the rioters from burning the complex down.

However, when this is over, George Zimmerman will own two television networks (ABC and NBC...)

[RED-85-Z51]

The Jury has heard the recording...

The Defense is dragging her through the mud, she is PISSED OFF. Everytime the defense asks a question, and gets an answer..he rephrases the question and gets a different answer..the cupid stunt is reeling right now..she's in a flat spin...no hope of recovery. The prosecution wants her off the stand ASAP.

[syf350]

this is painful to watch....unbelievable lack of respect, intelligence, responsibility, tact, and class...how do kids grow up like this?

this country is fecked:sadangel:

[RED-85-Z51]

Im surprised the judge hasnt told her to address the defense in a more respective manner, that her contempt and sarcasm are not needed...

[DJ_Critterus]

That's a woman?

Sing along with me and the Blood Hound Gang


Fatty Fatty Boom-ba-latty
I gotta lament
You were not a girl
You.... were an experiment!

[DJ_Critterus]

Ben Crump, Tracy Martin, and Sebrina whatshername have already collected approximately $2 million from the HOA's insurance company in an out-of-court settlement. Essentially extortion money to keep the rioters from burning the complex down.

However, when this is over, George Zimmerman will own two television networks (ABC and NBC...)

So, let's say zim is found innocent (which I am hoping for), will the HOA be able to sue to get that extortion money back?

[RED-85-Z51]

So, let's say zim is found innocent (which I am hoping for), will the HOA be able to sue to get that extortion money back?

I doubt it..but wouldnt it be nice?

[DJ_Critterus]

I doubt it..but wouldnt it be nice?

That would be some real "Jussssstisssss" as old grease ball would say with muddled pronunciation.

[RED-85-Z51]

I know its profiling..but just looking at Tracy MArtin..he looks crooked as hell, just the look in his eye, the expressions he makes...and the way he carries himself...he just looks untrustworthy.

[Stangkiller]

So, let's say zim is found innocent (which I am hoping for), will the HOA be able to sue to get that extortion money back?

Nope! That's why the families were in such a rush to capitalize on the false media hype.

[Cybercowboy]

Im surprised the judge hasnt told her to address the defense in a more respective manner, that her contempt and sarcasm are not needed...

You expect judge Debbiedelarionda to do something that would help the defense? That's not how dat judge rolls!

[Stangkiller]

You expect judge Debbiedelarionda to do something that would help the defense? That's not how dat judge rolls!

The more disrespectful she is the more it helps the defense, since it really calls into question her credibility.

[RED-85-Z51]

The more disrespectful she is the more it helps the defense, since it really calls into question her credibility.

Any credibility she had when the cross examination started...is long gone now.

[Uncle Meat]

She can't read cursiff. :crazy:

[RED-85-Z51]

She can't read cursiff.

She speaks it though..quite well.

[Cybercowboy]

She said that normally Trayvon would call her back after a fight.

"Hey D, ima gonna get in a fight now, ima call you back later."

[Y2Kvert4me]

So, let's say zim is found innocent (which I am hoping for), will the HOA be able to sue to get that extortion money back?Not likely, given they already signed off on a settlement...Plus, a civil case has no real bearing on the criminal verdict.

As I understand it, even Zim won't be automatically immune from a civil suit.
IF found not guilty, and IF a civil suit is filed against him, he will have to endure another court hearing in which a judge will review all the evidence (again) to decide if he is to be granted civil immunity (as Fl law allows for given a not guilty criminal verdict). If that happens, essentially he'd be tried twice, at least in terms of having to represent himself.

On the surface, it would seem silly for the family to file that suit in the event of a not guilty verdict, but given the "reward" of the HOA settlement, they probably have the means and the spite to do it, just to drag this on further.

[onedef92]

She said that normally Trayvon would call her back after a fight.

"Hey D, ima gonna get in a fight now, ima call you back later."

"Live by the sword, die by the sword," I've always heard. You live your life like that, it's only a matter of time before somebody hands your ass to you on a plate.

[C5Nate]

Cant find the coverage on the tube, you guys getting this over the web?

[Cybercowboy]

Cant find the coverage on the tube, you guys getting this over the web?

You want the live feed? How about four of them? :D

Zimmerman Trial Livestream | www.wftv.com (http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/)

Watch George Zimmerman Live Stream | WildAboutTrial.com (http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html)

All Events | WESH (http://livewire.wesh.com/)

Click Orlando l Orlando News, Orange County, Florida, News and Local Headlines l WKMG Local 6 (http://www.clickorlando.com/)

Whatever you do, don't watch HNL on the TV (DirecTV channel 204.) They are simply, uh, unbelievable. They were saying that each time they muted the audio it was because of outbursts by George Zimmerman screaming profanity. Uh, no. I mean, come the fcuk on!

[Stangkiller]

Whatever you do, don't watch HNL on the TV (DirecTV channel 204.) They are simply, uh, unbelievable. They were saying that each time they muted the audio it was because of outbursts by George Zimmerman screaming profanity. Uh, no. I mean, come the fcuk on!

Got a new story to this? That's unreal

[syf350]

what is this extortion money you speak of?:waiting:

[RedLS1GTO]

Just to clarify, she was in the same grade as him... a junior in high school... right?

And she's 19?? :skep:

THIS is the star witness??? What a ghetto piece of sh*t.

http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/rachel-jeantel.png
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/750x970/documents/jeanteltweets1.jpg

[Cybercowboy]

Got a new story to this? That's unreal

A couple of people have mentioned it on the various blogs I was reading, apparently they did this several times, and the people had been watching the live feeds and all that they were muting was sidebars and whatnot. They are just that biased, just another entity Zimmerman will be able to sue for defamation when this is all over.

[TabuIsMe]

Those tweets... just.. no...

[Cybercowboy]

West: "He decided to approach this man and say why you following me?"

Rachel Jeantel: "yes sir."

Well, there goes the State's entire case. At least it would in a courtroom containing an actual judge.

[Cybercowboy]

West is establishing that Trademark hid, then confronted Zimmerman, and Dee Dee knew that Trademark was going to do this.

And then she knew that Trayvon would call her back when Trayvon was done beating on George.

[C5SilverBullet]

The prosecutor should be fired for putting this moron on the stand. He lost all hope the second she opened her mouth.

[C5Nate]

You want the live feed? How about four of them? :D




Must be out to lunch.

[C5SilverBullet]

Must be out to lunch.

Youtube has videos of her testimony from today. It is just as good as yesterday's.

[Doug28450]

The prosecutor should be fired for putting this moron on the stand. He lost all hope the second she opened her mouth.

While I agree with your thought, isn't she the only real hope he had at a conviction?

[C5SilverBullet]

While I agree with your thought, isn't she the only real hope he had at a conviction?

If she was the hope, he never should have taken it to trial.

[vetteman9368]

If she was the hope, he never should have taken it to trial.

Which is pretty much the point a whole buch of us have been trying to make.

[Doug28450]

If she was the hope, he never should have taken it to trial.

But is it true? Is she the only real hope he had? I don't know, I'm just asking.

[RedLS1GTO]

You want a real look into the ignorant mind of today's America? Just take a quick glance at the comment sections on news sources talking about this ghetto bitch's testimony.

Holy f'n shit.

Thomas, laugh all you want. If this ends the way it should with him walking out a free man, I'm loaded and ready to roll. These ghetto pieces of sh*t WANT a reason for violence.

[Burnt C6]

The only thing missing is the blond Bitch Nancy Grace putting in her two cents.

[C5Nate]

She said that normally Trayvon would call her back after a fight.

"Hey D, ima gonna get in a fight now, ima call you back later."

West: "He decided to approach this man and say why you following me?"

Rachel Jeantel: "yes sir."

Well, there goes the State's entire case. At least it would in a courtroom containing an actual judge.


Have not been following the case but damn, if they rule against Zimmerman then something is really wrong.

[onedef92]

The only thing missing is the blond Bitch Nancy Grace putting in her two cents.

It's early. I'm sure she'll chime in later around 7 p.m.

[Zidane]

WOW...

[Kevin_73]

You want a real look into the ignorant mind of today's America? Just take a quick glance at the comment sections on news sources talking about this ghetto bitch's testimony.

Holy f'n shit.


:iagree:
I was just reading the comments on CNN. It appears that the members of the darker skinned community are pretty much all convinced of GZ's guilt and and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that in their minds.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:

[C5SilverBullet]

:iagree:
I was just reading the comments on CNN. It appears that the members of the darker skinned community are pretty much all convinced of GZ's guilt and and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that in their minds.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:

I was just reading those as well.

[Sea Six]

Page 2!


:woohoo:

[C5Nate]

If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:



Posted:

http://www.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/readytodefend.jpg

[Sea Six]

I was thinking somewhere along the lines of "if you want to join Trayvon, attack me"

[onedef92]

If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots.

Of this, I have no doubt....

[RedLS1GTO]

I was thinking somewhere along the lines of "if you want to join Trayvon, attack me"

Just hang one of these... after a day at the range... out front. :leaving:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/files/2013/04/Trayvon-Martin-Shooting-Target2.jpg

[RedLS1GTO]

If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots.

Of this, I have no doubt....

What do you think about Louisville OD? Think we would have any problems up this way?

I don't think we would be too bad off, but I've been wrong before.

[vetteman9368]

:iagree:
I was just reading the comments on CNN. It appears that the members of the darker skinned community are pretty much all convinced of GZ's guilt and and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that in their minds.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:

And it's the white people who are the racists in this country :rolleyes:

[onedef92]

What do you think about Louisville OD? Think we would have any problems up this way?

I don't think we would be too bad off, but I've been wrong before.

Nah, I wouldn't think so. The closest we came recently was throngs of people along Broadway and at Belknap Campus after Louisville won the NCAA National Basketball Championship, but the police were organized and got things under control quickly.

Now, perchance if local Civil Rights activist Christopher 2X was killed by the LPD, for whatever reason, I would expect a venerable shit storm initiated by the Black commnunity in West Louisville.

[Doug28450]

Chicago?

[NEED-A-VETTE]

You are correct Sandy. My fault.

The only reason I remember was because I was still in high school at the time that it was happening. :funny: But the Northridge earthquake was '94, I think.

[mrvette]

Chicago?

Like NW Wash DC I flew over some decades ago, who cares??? let them burn it.....


if anything it HELPED my lifestyle at the time, more TV's to be fixed, until it got so bad the entire hood was redlined.....


:issues::kimblair::leaving:

[Burnt C6]

:iagree:
I was just reading the comments on CNN. It appears that the members of the darker skinned community are pretty much all convinced of GZ's guilt and and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that in their minds.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:

Good then home land security will have a reason to clean the area with some of those millions of .556 hollow point rounds they have been sucking up.

One thing we all need to remember is that Casey Anthony should have been found Guilty by a Florida Jury. Look how that turned out. Just Saying.

[onedef92]

Good then home land security will have a reason to clean the area with some of those millions of .556 hollow point rounds they have been sucking up.

One thing we all need to remember is that Casey Anthony should have been found Guilty by a Florida Jury. Look how that turned out. Just Saying.

I hope mofos don't decide to drop Order 66 and shit. But if revolution comes, I have no doubt the weapon of choice by the majority of rebels will be the AR-15.

[RedLS1GTO]

One thing we all need to remember is that Casey Anthony should have been found Guilty by a Florida Jury. Look how that turned out. Just Saying.

I think we all believe that Casey Anthony was guilty.

With that said, it is my stance that the jury made the right decision with what they were presented. You can't convict someone based on what you think. The blame her walking free goes 100% on the prosecution who failed to present anything even close to resembling a decent case.

[erickpl]

The Jury has heard the recording...

The Defense is dragging her through the mud, she is PISSED OFF. Everytime the defense asks a question, and gets an answer..he rephrases the question and gets a different answer..the cupid stunt is reeling right now..she's in a flat spin...no hope of recovery. The prosecution wants her off the stand ASAP.

How can something shaped like that be in a flat spin? LOL Roll, perhaps.

Kinda sucks when the star witness turns out to be a black hole.

[erickpl]

But is it true? Is she the only real hope he had? I don't know, I'm just asking.

"Help me, Precious! You're our only hope!"

http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/star-wars-hologram_ign.jpg

[Stangkiller]

I hope mofos don't decide to drop Order 66 and shit. But if revolution comes, I have no doubt the weapon of choice by the majority of rebels will be the AR-15.

AR-15? That's childs play :yesnod: .308 and .300blks where it's at.

[C5Nate]

GZ looks pretty busted up in that picture. :issues:

[C5Nate]

:eek: Finally some eye candy! Nice rack!

[DJ_Critterus]

:iagree:
I was just reading the comments on CNN. It appears that the members of the darker skinned community are pretty much all convinced of GZ's guilt and and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that in their minds.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty there will be riots. :sad:

Miami and Sanford areas are already prepared for it. I wouldn't be surprised if the tryvonn crowd here in Jacksonville goes ape shit (pun,slur,???), too, no matter the verdict.

[Stangkiller]

I expect riots regardless of who wins.

[DJ_Critterus]

I expect riots regardless of who wins.

That's my thoughts on the subject. I predict every lib utopia filled with these thugs will burn. Losing Detroit or Chicago won't be so bad, though.

[mrvette]

That's my thoughts on the subject. I predict every lib utopia filled with these thugs will burn. Losing Detroit or Chicago won't be so bad, though.

I would HOPE to add DC to the list though.....dead seriously.....stone serious...

:seasix:

[C5Nate]

Some of the comments crack me up:

Comment From Mick Jagger
this case is over a devasting day for the defense!!!!


Someone was not paying attention. :slap:

[RedLS1GTO]

AR-15? That's childs play :yesnod: .308 and .300blks where it's at.

Yea, those are not at all bad choices... especially for long range, but you would be up close and personal in a "riot" type of situation. I guarantee that some Hornady 75gr 5.56 T2 TAP rounds out of an M4 would be more than sufficient. :D

...and should it be closer, some .45 185gr Critical Defense would most certainly do the trick. :thehandle:


You don't have to load for bear to take down some rats. :leaving:

[lspencer534]

Folks, you are engaging in a no-win guessing game. No one can predict what a jury will do. Fortunately, the jury's decision isn't the final word: An Appellate Court gets that opportunity. It's like all though "outrageous damage awards against corporations" that are obtained through "jackpot justice". Almost every one of them is either reversed on appeal or settled for peanuts.

The Casey Anthony case: Yes, everyone knows she was guilty, including myself. But our system of justice is the adversarial system: The prosecution has to prove each and element of its case beyond a reasonable doubt; the defense has to prove nothing. The system is designed to make it hard to convict a person. ("Tis better for a thousand guilty men to walk free that to convict one innocent man....") In her case the prosecution failed to meet its burden, and the jury had no choice under the law but to acquit her.

I still have faith in our Court system: It has its flaws, but it is still the best system in the world. If the trial court gets it wrong, the Appellate Court usually sets it right.

[mrvette]

Folks, you are engaging in a no-win guessing game. No one can predict what a jury will do. Fortunately, the jury's decision isn't the final word: An Appellate Court gets that opportunity. It's like all though "outrageous damage awards against corporations" that are obtained through "jackpot justice". Almost every one of them is either reversed on appeal or settled for peanuts.

The Casey Anthony case: Yes, everyone knows she was guilty, including myself. But our system of justice is the adversarial system: The prosecution has to prove each and element of its case beyond a reasonable doubt; the defense has to prove nothing. The system is designed to make it hard to convict a person. ("Tis better for a thousand guilty men to walk free that to convict one innocent man....") In her case the prosecution failed to meet its burden, and the jury had no choice under the law but to acquit her.

I still have faith in our Court system: It has its flaws, but it is still the best system in the world. If the trial court gets it wrong, the Appellate Court usually sets it right.


Sorry man, I have ABSOLUTELY NO FAITH in the JP system.....NONE, filled with paid off judges, crooked crap lawyers, buddy system, and anything goes, depends on how much money you have....crooks walk all the time....

criminal law, just as bad if not worse.....


I would take a 95% correct rate as being totally correct and tolerable for capital offenses......so 5% of the guilty are in fact innocent, but we capped their asses out back, tough shit.....cookie has crumbled.....

Been inside MAX wards of prisons, like I was doing security work???

shoot ALL of them, out back, ashes into the fields to grow crops....


DEAD SERIOUS....



:issues:

[StaticCling]

I expect riots regardless of who wins.

You are probably right. :iagree:

[Cybercowboy]

Folks, you are engaging in a no-win guessing game. No one can predict what a jury will do. Fortunately, the jury's decision isn't the final word: An Appellate Court gets that opportunity. It's like all though "outrageous damage awards against corporations" that are obtained through "jackpot justice". Almost every one of them is either reversed on appeal or settled for peanuts.

The Casey Anthony case: Yes, everyone knows she was guilty, including myself. But our system of justice is the adversarial system: The prosecution has to prove each and element of its case beyond a reasonable doubt; the defense has to prove nothing. The system is designed to make it hard to convict a person. ("Tis better for a thousand guilty men to walk free that to convict one innocent man....") In her case the prosecution failed to meet its burden, and the jury had no choice under the law but to acquit her.

I still have faith in our Court system: It has its flaws, but it is still the best system in the world. If the trial court gets it wrong, the Appellate Court usually sets it right.

Yes, it's supposed to be hard to convict.

Have you watched this trial, at all? Even for 5 minutes?

You'll retch. The judge is unbelievable, and the State's witnesses are, well, let's just say not helping the State much.

Do you know that Angela Cory and Bernie de la Rionda's pensions were fully funded to the max last December, in quite a scandal. How else to get these two to participate in a career-ending prosecution of an innocent man, all to placate an industry built on racial strife?

[OddBall]

I expect riots regardless of who wins.

We ain't had a good riot in a coon's age.

[DJ_Critterus]

If the hoodie don't fit, you must acquit!

:D :leaving:

[RED-85-Z51]

West is establishing that Trademark hid, then confronted Zimmerman, and Dee Dee knew that Trademark was going to do this.

And then she knew that Trayvon would call her back when Trayvon was done beating on George.

Thats the name of her made 4 TV movie on BET..."Duh Call Dat dint ever Came"

[RED-85-Z51]

Damn...The spanish chick is fine as all hell, total MILF material....excellent Rack. When she was hopping around in front of the bench, I think even the judge popped a little lady boner for her...

[lspencer534]

Yes, it's supposed to be hard to convict.

Have you watched this trial, at all? Even for 5 minutes?

You'll retch. The judge is unbelievable, and the State's witnesses are, well, let's just say not helping the State much.

Do you know that Angela Cory and Bernie de la Rionda's pensions were fully funded to the max last December, in quite a scandal. How else to get these two to participate in a career-ending prosecution of an innocent man, all to placate an industry built on racial strife?

No, I haven't watched any of this trial. Don't plan to. I didn't hear about the pension scandal. Care to fill me in?

[Jay13]

I don't even know where to start. The way the media has covered this versus what is actually factually known is something that I've never seen before. It's a perfect storm. The term "high-tech lynching" comes to mind. You're right, you don't know a thing about this case, and a quick Google of it isn't going to help you understand anything about it either.

I've been reading a few very good and in-depth websites that have focused on the players in this case. Can you remember a case where a man was declared by police to have acted properly in self defense, and then have a sitting President of the USA come out and all but declare him guilty of murder? Then sic the racial justice arm of the Justice Department to investigate the guy? I sure haven't.

Have you heard of a murder trial taking place where the prime witness was approached by a detective, the State's lead attorney, the victim's mother, her lawyer, and a few others involved in the prosecution and then have all interviews take place with these people present? WTF? Holy witness tampering Batman!

Since you are a lawyer, if you want to see what a judge that is so biased for the prosecution that it could be part of a SNL skit, just take a gander. If you want to see a trial where the State's witnesses all end up testifying for the Defense, take a gander.

The fact is that an entire scheme to extract $$$$$$ was erected by a web of people, with the threat of racial riots if they don't get their way, with the goal of making it so that a certain class of people can no longer defend themselves against another class of people. Zimmerman didn't have a choice of waiting for witnesses to show up. Martin was going MMA style on his cracker ass, smothering him, smashing his head against the sidewalk, and then bumped against Zimmerman's gun. Earlier, when Martin was circling Zimmerman's truck, looking at him menacingly, Martin placed his hand in his waistband in the universal thug language "I'm strapped yo!"

He was just trying to keep an eye on a man he saw in his neighbor's back yard, looking into his window, in the rain, at night. He wasn't "ordered" to stay in his car, hell, the NEN operator testified that he didn't even know he was in a vehicle at any point of the call. He wasn't ordered not to follow Martin, in fact he was asked if he could keep an eye on him until the police arrived. There was home invasions, burglaries, and other serious crimes that had taken place in this small gated community over the last year or so. Zimmerman was the point man for that community, meaning that residents would forward their concerns to Zimmerman and he would report them to the police through their Watch Coordinator.

It was as clear a case of self-defense as could be, yet he made the mistake of shooting a person of the wrong sort, one of the protected class.

I haven't even begun to explain the incredible level of injustice in this case. I don't think the internet could hold it all.

Just channel surfed some coverage on HLN. Yep. Learned nothing. Seems like the experts' opinions were closely related to the color of their skin. One annoying bitch yelled a lot. None of it proves anything.

Again, still not clear why you were "staggered" by my comments. Defendant wasn't a LEO. I therefore assume his presence at the scene was not in the scope of his employment. At that point, you're uber vulnerable. Sad but true.

[1911fool]

I think if Zim is found guilty I'm going to riot and burn my own house down in protest. That'll show em.

[Burnt C6]

AR-15? That's childs play :yesnod: .308 and .300blks where it's at.

***** guns. 458 socom is what you really want.

[Stangkiller]

***** guns. 458 socom is what you really want.

:yesnod:

[ZipZap]

Like NW Wash DC I flew over some decades ago, who cares??? let them burn it.....


if anything it HELPED my lifestyle at the time, more TV's to be fixed, until it got so bad the entire hood was redlined.....


:issues::kimblair::leaving:

You haven't been here in awhile. NW is now prime property for the gentrified community.

[mrvette]

You haven't been here in awhile. NW is now prime property for the gentrified community.

14th & U, 7th & U st??? 8th & O st??? Way down Ga. ave NW??

how many more bureaucraps they hiring in that town?? .gov got no room in town, must be K st doing the hiring....

:issues:

[Craig]

I think if Zim is found guilty I'm going to riot and burn my own house down in protest. That'll show em.

Call me, I'll come over and help you tip over your car.

:cert:

[jaxgator]

[/COLOR]I would take a 95% correct rate as being totally correct and tolerable for capital offenses......so 5% of the guilty are in fact innocent, but we capped their asses out back, tough shit.....cookie has crumbled.....

That's some seriously messed up thinking right there. I wonder if you would change your mind if you ended up in that 5% category.

[mrvette]

That's some seriously messed up thinking right there. I wonder if you would change your mind if you ended up in that 5% category.

BS, time long since past to take out the trash.....just think, most of them guy in Attica/etc that I saw 30 years ago, are still there, on OUR dime.....

:issues:

[Cybercowboy]

No, I haven't watched any of this trial. Don't plan to. I didn't hear about the pension scandal. Care to fill me in?

It's been a few months since I even read anything about it but essentially Angela Corey, who is the boss of head prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda, changed their pensions to be fully funded (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-02-14/story/state-attorney-angela-corey-upgrades-her-pension-taxpayer-dollars) as of I think last March, ahead of schedule, but was of course not reported as such by the MSM because they are just pitiful in their bias.

Naturally she used taxpayer $$$ to do this.

[Cybercowboy]

Just channel surfed some coverage on HLN. Yep. Learned nothing. Seems like the experts' opinions were closely related to the color of their skin. One annoying bitch yelled a lot. None of it proves anything.

Again, still not clear why you were "staggered" by my comments. Defendant wasn't a LEO. I therefore assume his presence at the scene was not in the scope of his employment. At that point, you're uber vulnerable. Sad but true.

Uh huh.

Well, when the entire police department and all the investigators agree that Zimmerman did nothing wrong, that all the physical evidence and reliable witness testimony back up his rather simple story, and they are privy to the fact that Martin was into MMA-style fighting, a member of a casual "fight club", and in constant trouble at school - including burglary - and then a manufactured, manipulated, coached, and otherwise tampered witness is brought forth as a 16-year-old minor who is Trayvon's GF and can fill in those missing few minutes with her version of what happened, including listening to wet grass, and can't read the letter she supposedly wrote...

And the judge won't allow the defense to play audio recordings of her coached interviews, and the recordings and transcripts that were given to the defense don't match those in possession of the prosecution and still the judge doesn't allow this evidence to impeach the witness and instead coaches the witness herself while she is on the stand...

Oh, and now she is 19, not 17 as she should be if 16 at the time. Who cares, she oopsied on that too.

And the judge refuses the defense the request to a sidebar several times, all the while cutting them off and telling them to change the subject (because it's getting too close to causing her to yet again contradict herself...)

Yeah, it can be a bit dicey being a guy who was informally elected head of the Neighborhood Watch and who was offered a uniform and vehicle with flashy lights but turned that down because he just wanted to keep an eye on things as a civilian and who had received training from the PD and was in very good graces with the head of the PD's Watch program to try to stop a felonious violent assault. Dicey indeed.

Oh, and HLN. Earlier this week they muted the audio several times saying they had to mute the audio because George Zimmerman was making obscene profanity-laced outbursts in the courtroom. They just made that up. Nothing of the sort took place. They just lied to pile onto their bias. Their "expert panel" discussing Rachel Janteal's testimony last night included one of the Tracy Martin's attorneys. Completely unbiased they are.

[Cybercowboy]

Jay, I guess I can just sum up my "staggered" statement this way.

It would be like Red made a post about this Scopes Monkey Trial thing, and how he was pissed off at how biased the judge and media was against that scientist dude who thinks that evolution thing is real, and you come in and say "Whatever, this is stupid. Don't you have something better to do, like watch some 1920's flapper porn or something?"

[Cybercowboy]

Well, as I've been predicting, witness John Good's testimony has totally sealed this trial and Zimmerman will be acquitted. He saw a man in a dark jacket on top, hitting a light-skinned man wearing white and red on the bottom, and he told them to cut it out, he's calling the cops. His 911 call connected 19 seconds after the shot was fired.

He was called by the prosecution, possibly a move they made to preempt the power of his testimony some how, we'll see. He was a bit testy with O'Mara too, and that's likely because he's now on the radar of the entirely level headed "black community" that in no way would cause him trouble now that they know what he looks like and where he lives. None at all...

Oh, and O'Mara just pissed off Judge Debbiedelarionda by mentioning that he sought witness anonymity and it was denied by her honor.

Good also saw the fight move to the sidewalk, where he saw Martin rain more punches down "ground and pound" (his words) while Zimmerman's head was on the sidewalk. The State has been saying all along Zimmerman made that up. WTF? They had Good's statement the night of the shooting. This is why I've been so pissed at them even bringing charges, it's incredible.

[C5SilverBullet]

Well, as I've been predicting, witness John Good's testimony has totally sealed this trial and Zimmerman will be acquitted. He saw a man in a dark jacket on top, hitting a light-skinned man wearing white and red on the bottom, and he told them to cut it out, he's calling the cops. His 911 call connected 19 seconds after the shot was fired.

He was called by the prosecution, possibly a move they made to preempt the power of his testimony some how, we'll see. He was a bit testy with O'Mara too, and that's likely because he's now on the radar of the entirely level headed "black community" that in no way would cause him trouble now that they know what he looks like and where he lives. None at all...

Oh, and O'Mara just pissed off Judge Debbiedelarionda by mentioning that he sought witness anonymity and it was denied by her honor.

Good also saw the fight move to the sidewalk, where he saw Martin rain more punches down "ground and pound" (his words) while Zimmerman's head was on the sidewalk. The State has been saying all along Zimmerman made that up. WTF? They had Good's statement the night of the shooting. This is why I've been so pissed at them even bringing charges, it's incredible.
I just turned it on about 10-15 minutes ago, and was trying to figure out what side this witness was for, and I just assumed he was a defense witness.

This guy is verifying EVERYTHING Zimmerman said happened...How the f'k can the prosecution put this guy on the stand?

[Cybercowboy]

Also note that on HLN, they cut away for long strings of commercials just as John Good's devastating testimony was being given.

[Stangkiller]

I just turned it on about 10-15 minutes ago, and was trying to figure out what side this witness was for, and I just assumed he was a defense witness.

This guy is verifying EVERYTHING Zimmerman said happened...How the f'k can the prosecution put this guy on the stand?

How the **** can press murder charges, this guy is credible so far, and hasn't conflicted zimmermans story.

[Cybercowboy]

I just turned it on about 10-15 minutes ago, and was trying to figure out what side this witness was for, and I just assumed he was a defense witness.

This guy is verifying EVERYTHING Zimmerman said happened...How the f'k can the prosecution put this guy on the stand?

Dude, tell me about it. The cops had this guy's statement the night of the shooting! Of course they didn't arrest Zimmerman.

This whole thing is just a bone tossed to the "community" to keep their town from turning into a reenactment of the Rodney King riots.

[Cybercowboy]

I mean, think about it. You're a cop. You get Zimmerman's statement, and another cop takes some of the witnesses statements. Then you have Zimmerman do reenactments of that night several times over the course of a few days. All along you have this one - the only real - eyewitness statement. At no point does Zimmerman's story vary from the single eyewitness statement. Then Zimmerman passes a voice stress analysis test, and doesn't even get an attorney during the entire process.

Of course you don't arrest him. Sheez.

[StaticCling]

This testimony pretty much seals the deal for a Zimmerman acquittal. It WAS self defense. Was Zimmerman over zealous? Probably, but his life was in danger...He should have just stayed inside.

It's black and white. No pun intended.

Okay, maybe black and brown, pun intended.

[Cybercowboy]

This testimony pretty much seals the deal for a Zimmerman acquittal. It WAS self defense. Was Zimmerman over zealous? Probably, but his life was in danger...He should have just stayed inside.

It's black and white. No pun intended.

Okay, maybe black and brown, pun intended.

Keep in mind, the 911 NEN operator asked him if he could keep an eye on the guy until police got there. The 911 operator didn't even know Zimmerman was in a vehicle at any time.

[Sea Six]

This testimony pretty much seals the deal for a Zimmerman acquittal. It WAS self defense. Was Zimmerman over zealous? Probably, but his life was in danger...He should have just stayed inside.

It's black and white. No pun intended.

Okay, maybe black and brown, pun intended.

Not necessarily.

Could be a hung jury.

New trial, and suddenly a whole new set of "surprise witnesses" just came forward.

Whole new ball game.



:sadangel:

[C5SilverBullet]

It really seems like this guy is trying to discredit his own witness.

[Cybercowboy]

Not necessarily.

Could be a hung jury.

New trial, and suddenly a whole new set of "surprise witnesses" just came forward.

Whole new ball game.



:sadangel:

Well, I don't see that happening.

[Stangkiller]

It really seems like this guy is trying to discredit his own witness.

That's my thought, this is insane. This case has no business even being in court.

[Sea Six]

Well, I don't see that happening.

Your problem is that you think logically and don't have an agenda.

All it takes is one person on that jury with an agenda. :seasix:

[onedef92]

That's my thought, this is insane. This case has no business even being in court.

So, this is not going to be an O.J. Simpsonesque, "Trial of the Century" deal, is it? :confused5:

[Stangkiller]

So, this is not going to be an O.J. Simpsonesque, "Trial of the Century" deal, is it? :confused5:

Depends on which side of the fence you're on and if you're willing to listen to the testimony.

[Cybercowboy]

So, this is not going to be an O.J. Simpsonesque, "Trial of the Century" deal, is it? :confused5:

It's right up there. We have everything in this case, including the President chiming in (first time I can remember that ever happening...)

[DAB]

It's right up there. We have everything in this case, including the President chiming in (first time I can remember that ever happening...)

he has time to opine on this matter, but no time to meet with members of congress or time to call up Ivan and ask for his hacker back.

[Cybercowboy]

Your problem is that you think logically and don't have an agenda.

All it takes is one person on that jury with an agenda. :seasix:

Ah, you're just a cynical ex-cop whose seen it all. Now you work as a private eye, with a buxom blonde secretary named Rita, and a worn trench coat and fedora as your trademark signature outfit.

[Sea Six]

Ah, you're just a cynical ex-cop whose seen it all. Now you work as a private eye, with a buxom blonde secretary named Rita, and a worn trench coat and fedora as your trademark signature outfit.

:skep:









Her name's Brandi-Lynn. :seasix:

[Cybercowboy]

he has time to opine on this matter, but no time to meet with members of congress or time to call up Ivan and ask for his hacker back.

If I had a witness, he would look like Jon Good. :D

[onedef92]

It's right up there. We have everything in this case, including the President chiming in (first time I can remember that ever happening...)

I meant the potential length of the trial. You don't see it dragging on for nearly 12 months like the O.J. affair do you?

[DAB]

Ah, you're just a cynical ex-cop whose seen it all. Now you work as a private eye, with a buxom blonde secretary named Rita, and a worn trench coat and fedora as your trademark signature outfit.

i'm interested in the buxom blonde, but not the hat or coat. :boobies:

[Sea Six]

i'm interested in the buxom blonde, but not the hat or coat. :boobies:

:balls:






:coolest:










Oh, wait. :confused5:

[onedef92]

:skep:









Her name's Brandi-Lynn. :seasix:

Ol' boy Mike Hammer pulled some buxom, double-dipped delights in his pulp fiction novels, too.

MIKE HAMMER: ANIMAL MAGNETISM - YouTube

[StaticCling]

I meant the potential length of the trial. You don't see it dragging on for nearly 12 months like the O.J. affair do you?

It's expected to last about 3 or 4 weeks...

[Cybercowboy]

I bet that coat and hat is hot in the summer in Florida.

[DukeAllen]

:skep:

Her name's Brandi-Lynn. :seasix:

Is she into geldings?:D

Sorry to bust your balls about it....oops:leaving:

[Cybercowboy]

I meant the potential length of the trial. You don't see it dragging on for nearly 12 months like the O.J. affair do you?

Oh, it will be over in a couple of weeks I think, or perhaps even sooner if after the prosecution rests, the defense asks for the case to be dismissed and it's granted by the judge. But that is a long-shot. This judge is really hostile to the defense.

However, this whole thing has been going on for 16 months now if you've been following it, and has as many twists and turns and backroom dealings and media manipulation as any high-profile murder case I can ever recall seeing. Plus the political angle of using this case to gin up the base in the 2012 elections.

[Loco Vette]

It's right up there. We have everything in this case, including the President chiming in (first time I can remember that ever happening...)

Second time. Remember the police "acting stupidly"?

[lspencer534]

:skep:









Her name's Brandi-Lynn. :seasix:

What happened to Heather? Double-Ds and dumb as a box of rocks...aka a perfect woman.

[DukeAllen]

What happened to Heather? Double-Ds and dumb as a box of rocks...aka a perfect woman.

The perfect woman is smart...but mute :D

[syf350]

It really seems like this guy is trying to discredit his own witness.

exactly what he is doing, because he is coming up again as the defense witness..trying to beat the defense to the punch.

[Cybercowboy]

exactly what he is doing, because he is coming up again as the defense witness..trying to beat the defense to the punch.

I doubt the defense will call him now, they got the testimony they need already. The State won't call him again, you can bet on that! :lol:

[vetteman9368]

I doubt the defense will call him now, they got the testimony they need already. The State won't call him again, you can bet on that! :lol:

It was incredibly stupid for the prosecution to call him. The defense is able to get the info they need, and has more leeway to do it. An the prosecution trying to discredit the testimony of their own witness reeks of desperation.

[onedef92]

VB Forum's play-by-play barbecues the shet outta' anything Court TV has all hollow!

[Kevin_73]

Comments on CNN today seem to lean more toward Zimmerman, but the pro Trayvon posters still seem united in refusing to accept any testimony that shows Zimmerman was acting in self defense.

[sanchez]

No way Zimmerman walks. You all get that right?

[onedef92]

No way Zimmerman walks. You all get that right?

He's hosed. Said that from the get-go.:yesnod:

[C5SilverBullet]

Jonathan saw Zimmerman walking towards him, he had the cell phone to his left ear. He noticed blood streaming from his nose down his lips.Another person verifying the story.

[C5SilverBullet]

"He said, 'This guy was beating me up, and to protect myself, I shot him."

"Without hesitation?"

"Yes."

"And you believed him?"

"Yes."

[C5SilverBullet]

I don't know what he's paying these defense attorneys, but they're worth every penny.

[jaxgator]

"He said, 'This guy was beating me up, and to protect myself, I shot him."

"Without hesitation?"

"Yes."

"And you believed him?"

"Yes."

Whose comments are these?

[C5SilverBullet]

Whose comments are these?

This guy, who was the one who took the bloody picture of Zimmerman, and the photo of Martin's body.

He was one of the first people there.

[lspencer534]

I don't know what he's paying these defense attorneys, but they're worth every penny.

I'm gonna save this...you don't hear it often.

[ZipZap]

I'm gonna save this...I don't hear it often.

fixt:D

[onedef92]

fixt:D



http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n79/Lord-Starscream/touche.jpg

[C5SilverBullet]

fixt:D

:lol:

[RED-85-Z51]

I was waiting for the Prosecution to object on their own witnesses' testimony...on the grounds that it greatly damages their case.

[DukeAllen]

I was waiting for the Prosecution to object on their own witnesses' testimony...on the grounds that it greatly damages their case.

They could walk in with their clothes on backwards and their thumb (literally) up their ass and still win. Papa Barry says so.

[RED-85-Z51]

Im surprised the Secret Service isnt there to make sure Zim goes down...he did kill The presidents only son, after all.

[JRD77VET]

Im surprised the Secret Service isnt there to make sure Zim goes down...he did kill The presidents only son, after all.

:leaving:

[ApexOversteer]

Zimmerman's side of the story takes center stage starting today... they're discussing the Police interviews and tapes of it...