Boston bombing coverage... how much is too much?

[RedLS1GTO]

Maybe it is that I am biased towards the military. Maybe I am desensitized somehow. Hell, maybe I just played too much Super Mario Bros. growing up but I think we have gone on long enough.

Don't get me wrong... I realize that 2 Americans (and a Chinese national) were killed and quite a few more were injured very severely. They and their families have nothing but my well wishes.

For a week straight, 24/7, on pretty much every channel right down to ESPN, this has been front and center as the only topic of discussion.

Meanwhile, 4 soldiers were killed and 6 injured in Pakistan yesterday when a remote controlled IED exploded. 3 contract US security personnel were wounded when ambushed on the same day. Overnight, 4 more US soldiers were killed and a few others severely wounded in Afghanistan when a secondary trigger caused an IED that was deemed to be disarmed to explode...

8 killed... many wounded... BY TERRORISTS in a 24 hour span and I haven't seen a word about it anywhere other than a quick blurb on Fox News.

WHY will this entire country be completely consumed by what happened in Boston and apparently not give a single shit about the soldiers who voluntarily put themselves in harm's way to protect all of us from these acts going forward? Are these American lives somehow less important? Does nobody care since they don't help push an agenda? Does it not make for riveting news coverage??

[Kerrmudgeon]

I was desperately trying to find a station that had normal stuff for a few days. Enough is enough, especially when they repeat the same reports over and over. And I'm in CANADA!!!
:toetap:

[Wathen1955]

Because they all wanted to be the FIRST to report the "news".

[theriver]

"Boston Strong"::toetap:

Yeah right, liberal pussies. All of a sudden guns are ok for them. For now. Tragically this will happen again. And again. And the cities picked will be soft targets.

[Bill]

I wonder if there is any correlation between our wars abroad and our terror problems domestically?

[snide]

It's old news now.

[Kerrmudgeon]

I saw a special on bomb sniffing dogs, and that appears to be the way to go. They can sniff out any explosives from a distance with amazing accuracy. They would have found those and had time to at least clear the area.
If they had 2 dogs on either side patrolling where the crowd was they might have prevented it. :yesnod:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Yeah right, liberal pussies.
:eek:

[mrvette]

I wonder if there is any correlation between our wars abroad and our terror problems domestically?

YES, on our conduct side, we really DO have the power to eliminate islam as any significant force in the whole damn world.....

seriously, and it's NOT taking a nukey war head to do it either....

6 weeks, and we get free oil.....

:seasix:

[RedLS1GTO]

I wonder if there is any correlation between our wars abroad and our terror problems domestically?


Are you implying that if we weren't over there with a military presence, these EXTREMISTS would suddenly be ok with us and leave us alone?

Their hatred and violence is to ANYBODY who believes differently than them. Look at the hundreds of individual terrorist attacks over the last decade. Almost every single 1 of them was carried out in countries with zero military presence in "their" lands. It has nothing to do with "our wars abroad". It has everything to do with the fact that they want to kill ANYBODY who does not agree with them and subscribe to their ways of life... which puts America at the very top of their list, regardless of where our military is.

Thinking otherwise is very naive.

[Yamma]

It's old news now.

:iagree:

I've barely even turned the news on in the past few days because I know exactly what the focus will be....and nothing will have changed.

[theriver]

I don't understand something. These fanatic extremists are working from what intolerant playbook which dictates that the "infidel" must be destroyed above all. There is no middle ground. Do "moderate" Muslims read from the same Koran? Where are their voices?

[Doug28450]

Are you implying that if we weren't over there with a military presence, these EXTREMISTS would suddenly be ok with us and leave us alone?

Their hatred and violence is to ANYBODY who believes differently than them. Look at the hundreds of individual terrorist attacks over the last decade. Almost every single 1 of them was carried out in countries with zero military presence in "their" lands. It has nothing to do with "our wars abroad". It has everything to do with the fact that they want to kill ANYBODY who does not agree with them and subscribe to their ways of life... which puts America at the very top of their list, regardless of where our military is.

Thinking otherwise is very naive.

:iagree:

And more than anything else, they hate America and they hate Americans.

[theriver]

:eek:

Generally speaking of course.:D
But generalities exist for a reason. Much like the effectiveness of profiling.
I am sure America will get "it" someday. I just hope before it is a smoldering ruin.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Generally speaking of course
I don't think "Boston Strong" has ANYTHING to do with guns as your post
All of a sudden guns are ok for them.
suggests.

[bradc6]

Just posting to show off my new avatar. :leaving:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Just posting to show off my new avatar. :leaving:

Liberal ***** :D

[C5Nate]

The saturation point was reached the evening of the marathon end.

The constant updating of police activity the ENTIRE day of the capture was irrational. Especially when the hundreds of police were just standing around talking to each other.

But, media sensationalism is nothing new.

[RedLS1GTO]

I am sure America will get "it" someday. I just hope before it is a smoldering ruin.

Some are proactive... some are reactive.

In the vast majority of life and death situations, being reactive means you waited too long.


I'm not sure what percentage would actually admit to it if asked but I would like to know how many of the people locked in their houses hoping that this asswipe didn't come through the door were wishing they had a gun nearby to protect themselves and their families.

It's funny how opinions seem to change once reality surpasses idealism.

It apparently took almost 9,000... that's a 9, with three 0s after it... 9,000 law enforcement officials including hundreds of armored vehicles, the FBI, and the National Guard to catch a 19 year old kid with some homemade explosives, a pistol, and absolutely zero combat training. But hey, if you want to believe that a few local LEOs will protect you when somebody has the intent of harming you... go for it, just don't try to force force your willful ignorance of reality on the rest of us.

[theriver]

I don't think "Boston Strong" has ANYTHING to do with guns as your post

suggests.

Betcha just about every one in Watertown on that fateful day wishes they had one if he came a'knockin.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Betcha just about every one in Watertown on that fateful day wishes they had one if he came a'knockin.

Not something we're likely to ever know. :cert:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

It apparently took almost 9,000... that's a 9, with three 0s after it... 9,000 law enforcement officials including hundreds of armored vehicles, the FBI, and the National Guard to catch a 19 year old kid with some homemade explosives, a pistol, and absolutely zero combat training.
I'm not sure I understand where you're going with this comment. Yes, it took a small army of LE to catch him, and he didn't have any combat training that we know of.

The kid was in hiding. I suspect if any of us decided to play hide and seek with LE it would take an equal amount of resources to find us providing the situation was the same of course.

Are you implying LE was less than prepared? Not adequate? I'm a little lost here. :confused:

[RedLS1GTO]

Are you implying LE was less than prepared? Not adequate? I'm a little lost here. :confused:

Not at all.

The argument from the anti-gun crowd is that the population does not need to be armed. Law enforcement is there to protect you and to take care of the problem. If someone is out to harm you, there are multiple ways to defend yourself. You should have a whistle... urinate on yourself... hide and call 911... etc. Each and every way they advocate has the basic premise of counting on a LEO to come to your rescue.

What I am saying is that after seeing the amount of resourses needed to stop just 1 untrained kid... do you (generic "you", not you specifically) really believe that a few local cops are going to be able to protect you if someone is intent on causing you harm?

... or would you rather be prepared to protect yourself and your family on your own terms, should you ever need to?

When it comes down to it, the person most capable of protecting you in a situation like that, is YOU.

[Torch Red Tim]

Are you implying that if we weren't over there with a military presence, these EXTREMISTS would suddenly be ok with us and leave us alone?

Their hatred and violence is to ANYBODY who believes differently than them. Look at the hundreds of individual terrorist attacks over the last decade. Almost every single 1 of them was carried out in countries with zero military presence in "their" lands. It has nothing to do with "our wars abroad". It has everything to do with the fact that they want to kill ANYBODY who does not agree with them and subscribe to their ways of life... which puts America at the very top of their list, regardless of where our military is.

Thinking otherwise is very naive.

The US has propped up brutal dictators in the Middle East and other places for a long time. See Iran history 1950s.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

do you really believe that a few local cops are going to be able to protect you if someone is intent on causing you harm?
Absolutely not. Never did.

or would you rather be prepared to protect yourself and your family on your own terms, should you ever need to?
Certainly. If someone breaks into my house, I'll haul out my bad-ass Winchester 22 and defend myself. If I'm out in public and someone assaults me? I'll have to make the best of it. We've discussed this in the past. I've never had ANY training outside of a gun safety course a million years ago. OK, TWO million, I'm old. :D

I think I've sorted out where my problem lies with the entire CCW debate. (I don't have any statistics to back this up, it's just my opinion) You can shoot all the targets and cans you want. But if you're standing there and some thug has a pistol pointed at you and your wife, how many of us would have the where with all to get ourselves out of this jam? I'm not against CCW. Not at all. But the concept makes me a bit nervous.

When it comes down to it, the person most capable of protecting you, is YOU.
No argument.

[...Whitepower...]

I was really annoyed this weekend when i had to go online to see coverage of the explosion in West TX and the gun bill vote. I think for every 3 hours of news coverage 10 minutes at the most was devoted to other national news stories (forget international) on the news networks. .

Oh and good job news networks teaching everyone how to make a pressure cooker bomb. Now in addition to potential gun violence w/ the mentally fuct people out there the national news networks taught them how to make a bomb too.... Sweet.

[Zed16]

I was really annoyed this weekend when i had to go online to see coverage of the explosion in West TX and the gun bill vote. I think for every 3 hours of news coverage 10 minutes at the most was devoted to other national news stories (forget international) on the news networks. .

Oh and good job news networks teaching everyone how to make a pressure cooker bomb. Now in addition to potential gun violence w/ the mentally fuct people out there the national news networks taught them how to make a bomb too.... Sweet.

Since you brought up West and the media, today I spoke with my employee whose nephew was killed in the explosion. The family is having to use police escorts to get through the media camping on the family's doorstep. They are prisoners in their own home. :pissed:

[MEC5LADY]

When the reporters start showing their ignorance which is usually after the first day:

Oh, Come On Now, CNN (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/cnn-bomb_n_3119086.html)

[71corv]

The post by "Thomas" above is quite interesting. I would ask: Why did you let yourself and wife get into that situation? (at gun point). Have you no knowledge of situation awareness? I have practiced and still practice with targets other than the tin cans you refer to. My families lives are too important to me to not go the extra step to protect them.

Gene

[Burro (He/Haw)]

The post by "Thomas" above is quite interesting. I would ask: Why did you let yourself and wife get into that situation? (at gun point). Have you no knowledge of situation awareness? I have practiced and still practice with targets other than the tin cans you refer to. My families lives are too important to me to not go the extra step to protect them.

Gene

"Quite interesting?" Huh.

Welcome anyway. :cert:

[Jeff '79]

The post by "Thomas" above is quite interesting. I would ask: Why did you let yourself and wife get into that situation? (at gun point). Have you no knowledge of situation awareness? I have practiced and still practice with targets other than the tin cans you refer to. My families lives are too important to me to not go the extra step to protect them.

Gene

It's all fun & games until you're in that situation.. I'm glad that I am prepared. :yesnod:

[AU Eagle]

And what about Texas, what happened there was equally saddening.

Maybe I feel a bit stronger because of the Fire/EMS personnel that lost their lives...my girlfriend is a volunteer EMT...maybe I'm a bit more sensitive because of that

[Burro (He/Haw)]

What makes me nervous isn't the lifelong gun enthusiast. We have members here who obviously have many many years handling firearms. Some in LE, some in the Military, and to some it's a lifelong hobby.

It's the new guy. The new guy who less than one year ago had ZERO interest in guns, gun rights, and the CCW debate. The new guy with a six month old CCW permit who's suddenly "Prepared." The "Come on bad guy, let's play!" individuals. This group makes me nervous.

But, it's their constitutional right to bear arms and I support it wholeheartedly. :cert:

71corv, If your interested in my position, check out Will's post about the gun control bill going down. :cert:

[RedLS1GTO]

You can shoot all the targets and cans you want. But if you're standing there and some thug has a pistol pointed at you and your wife, how many of us would have the where with all to get ourselves out of this jam? I'm not against CCW. Not at all. But the concept makes me a bit nervous.

I am in absolutely no way claiming to be some Rambo badass but I have seen more of those types of situations than I care to remember (military related, not as a civilian).

You are right in 1 sense... shooting at cans is obviously not the same. With that said, that practice, the training that makes drawing and firing second nature will help at least in part. I do also believe that any person carrying a gun should take it upon themselves to get the training required to make themselves useful in a SHTF scenario. Luckily, I was fortunate enough to be trained by some of the World's finest badasses and when those times did come, I knew exactly what to do... and was able to do it well. In return, I gladly pass that training on whenever possible.

Even in the case of your average Joe whose training consists of shooting at paper and cans, if someone decides to pull a gun on you and your wife, I would sure as hell rather have the option to fight back instead of being completely helpless at the mercy of some asshole. If I am going down, it will be on my terms. I can think of no worse feeling than being helpless as the ones you love are done harm.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

any person carrying a gun should take it upon themselves to get the training required to make themselves useful in a SHTF scenario
Perfect. :cert:

If this was perhaps a requirement to obtaining a CCW permit, I'd feel a whole lot better about the entire situation. A WHOLE lot better.

[Sea Six]

Perfect. :cert:

If this was perhaps a requirement to obtaining a CCW permit, I'd feel a whole lot better about the entire situation. A WHOLE lot better.

That would open up the door for any group that didn't like guns to make the requirements so difficult that nobody would bother, or perhaps even qualify to get a gun carry permit.

It's one of those things that sounds good on paper until you realize what a slippery slope it is.

[RedLS1GTO]

That would open up the door for any group that didn't like guns to make the requirements so difficult that nobody would bother, or perhaps even qualify to get a gun carry permit.

It's one of those things that sounds good on paper until you realize what a slippery slope it is.

:iagree:

That's why I was very exact in my wording with the "take it upon themselves" part. The fact that something is a good idea doesn't mean it should be mandated and regulated.

[JRD77VET]

............

It apparently took almost 9,000... that's a 9, with three 0s after it... 9,000 law enforcement officials including hundreds of armored vehicles, the FBI, and the National Guard to catch a 19 year old kid with some homemade explosives, a pistol, and absolutely zero combat training. But hey, if you want to believe that a few local LEOs will protect you when somebody has the intent of harming you... go for it, just don't try to force force your willful ignorance of reality on the rest of us.

I'm not sure I understand where you're going with this comment. Yes, it took a small army of LE to catch him, and he didn't have any combat training that we know of.

The kid was in hiding. I suspect if any of us decided to play hide and seek with LE it would take an equal amount of resources to find us providing the situation was the same of course.

Are you implying LE was less than prepared? Not adequate? I'm a little lost here. :confused:

What makes me nervous isn't the lifelong gun enthusiast. We have members here who obviously have many many years handling firearms. Some in LE, some in the Military, and to some it's a lifelong hobby.

It's the new guy. The new guy who less than one year ago had ZERO interest in guns, gun rights, and the CCW debate. The new guy with a six month old CCW permit who's suddenly "Prepared." The "Come on bad guy, let's play!" individuals. This group makes me nervous.

But, it's their constitutional right to bear arms and I support it wholeheartedly. :cert:

71corv, If your interested in my position, check out Will's post about the gun control bill going down. :cert:

You know what makes me nervous----- Regular law enforcement with military armorment.

Have we become so numb to "O" 's dog and pony show that we're willingly accepting full blown military hardware in the hands of police?

Why do they have it? What are they planning for that they already have that hardware?

[Torqaholic]

I haven't watched any of it because I don't have a TV and at work I watch the weather channel. Maybe if they harp on about it for another month or two some of you guys will shitcan your TVs too? Nawwwww :rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

:iagree:

That's why I was very exact in my wording with the "take it upon themselves" part. The fact that something is a good idea doesn't mean it should be mandated and regulated.

I said "Perhaps" for the same reason.

RedLS1GTO's idea is a good one. If you're carrying for a specific situation, maybe get some training to prepare you if that situation presents itself.

We train our military and LE, what's the harm in training civilians? :shrug:

[Sea Six]

I said "Perhaps" for the same reason.

RedLS1GTO's idea is a good one. If you're carrying for a specific situation, maybe get some training to prepare you if that situation presents itself.

We train our military and LE, what's the harm in training civilians? :shrug:

None. None whatsoever.

However, it should be voluntary, not coerced in any fashion, in my opinion.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

So Sea, as a former LEO, are you at all concerned with the "C'mon boys lets play" mentality? Or do you just see it as hyperbole?

[Jeff '79]

So Sea, as a former LEO, are you at all concerned with the "C'mon boys lets play" mentality? Or do you just see it as hyperbole?

Common boys let's play mentality? GMAFB.
You're just scared because you don't have a firearm, and others may, in your presence.
It's quite evident.
Get over it Thomas.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Common boys let's play mentality? GMAFB.
You're just scared because you don't have a firearm, and others may, in your presence.
It's quite evident.
Get over it Thomas.

We're just having a discussion here Jeff. Nobody's scared. :rolleyes:

You're not doing the gun lobby, or your side of the debate any favors with comments like this. But I understand, you don't care.

[Jeff '79]

We're just having a discussion here Jeff. Nobody's scared. :rolleyes:

You're not doing the gun lobby, or your side of the debate any favors with comments like this. But I understand, you don't care.

So you're a fighting kind of guy, as purported from a post that I'm not going to dig up, from a while back.. You throw down.
You came home all banged up, and correct me if I'm wrong, your father told you to grow up already.
I have no time to deal with that sort of ilk on the streets, as I like my knuckles just the way they are, and prefer my face to stay the way it is.
The specter of an adversary, possibly having a firearm , teaches these thugs respect.
You are scared. You're preferred combat technique is hand to hand. You know that is no longer a viable option due to the scary guns out there.
Your "discussions" as you call them are nothing more that attempts to antagonize people now.
The thread that educated you about who can purchase guns wasn't enough?
People often are afraid of things they don't know about. Find a friend with pistols, and have him teach you the basics, so as to allay your fears.
I wish that you lived closer. I'd be happy to let you fire away, and teach the basics so that you aren't afraid anymore.

[Sea Six]

So Sea, as a former LEO, are you at all concerned with the "C'mon boys lets play" mentality? Or do you just see it as hyperbole?

Well, seeing as how there is a very, very (practically zero) small number of crimes using a firearm being committed by concealed weapon permit holders, I interpret such statements as reinforcement of their resolution to not only carry a gun but to use it in lawful self defense as necessary.

Not necessarily as hyperbole, but I don't take it as a threat against law abiding citizens at all. Does this answer your question?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

So you're a fighting kind of guy, as purported from a post that I'm not going to dig up, from a while back.. You throw down.
You came home all banged up, and correct me if I'm wrong, your father told you to grow up already.
I have no time to deal with that sort of ilk on the streets, as I like my knuckles just the way they are, and prefer my face to stay the way it is.
The specter of an adversary, possibly having a firearm , teaches these thugs respect.
You are scared. You're preferred combat technique is hand to hand. You know that is no longer a viable option due to the scary guns out there.
Your "discussions" as you call them are nothing more that attempts to antagonize people now.
The thread that educated you about who can purchase guns wasn't enough?
People often are afraid of things they don't know about. Find a friend with pistols, and have him teach you the basics, so as to allay your fears.
I wish that you lived closer. I'd be happy to let you fire away, and teach the basics so that you aren't afraid anymore.
The only person antagonized here is you Jeff. If you don't wanna discuss this, stay out of the thread. It's that simple. :cert:

[Jeff '79]

The only person antagonized here is you Jeff. If you don't wanna discuss this, stay out of the thread. It's that simple. :cert:

Poor scared boy.:sadangel:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Everything was going pretty well until Jeff showed up. :rofl:

[Sea Six]

Everything was going pretty well until Jeff showed up. :rofl:

Well, let's be honest.

What makes me nervous isn't the lifelong gun enthusiast. We have members here who obviously have many many years handling firearms. Some in LE, some in the Military, and to some it's a lifelong hobby.

It's the new guy. The new guy who less than one year ago had ZERO interest in guns, gun rights, and the CCW debate. The new guy with a six month old CCW permit who's suddenly "Prepared." The "Come on bad guy, let's play!" individuals. This group makes me nervous.

But, it's their constitutional right to bear arms and I support it wholeheartedly. :cert:

71corv, If your interested in my position, check out Will's post about the gun control bill going down. :cert:

Thomas, what you wrote in the bolded text is tantamount to saying you think Jeff is some kind of a kook, or is potentially a kook.

And I'll also add for the reasons in my post above, I think your fears are unfounded.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Thomas, what you wrote in the bolded text is tantamount to saying you think Jeff is some kind of a kook, or is potentially a kook.
Nah. I don't think Jeff is a kook at all. He's a pretty solid person from what I've been able to tell.

[Sea Six]

What makes me nervous isn't the lifelong gun enthusiast. We have members here who obviously have many many years handling firearms. Some in LE, some in the Military, and to some it's a lifelong hobby.

It's the new guy. The new guy who less than one year ago had ZERO interest in guns, gun rights, and the CCW debate. The new guy with a six month old CCW permit who's suddenly "Prepared." The "Come on bad guy, let's play!" individuals. This group makes me nervous.

But, it's their constitutional right to bear arms and I support it wholeheartedly. :cert:

71corv, If your interested in my position, check out Will's post about the gun control bill going down. :cert:

Nah. I don't think Jeff is a kook at all. He's a pretty solid person from what I've been able to tell.

Well, I will say this then.

I'm not saying you wrote what you did to set Jeff off. But I can certainly see why he got a little incensed by reading it.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Let me put it this way. Since I appear to be the lone dissenting vote or voice so to speak and several people seem to think im being antagonistic, I'll stay out of the gun threads.

Maybe voice or vote isn't the correct term. I land a little on the other side of the line than most here.

I'll just bow out of the debate.

Peace

[RedLS1GTO]

None. None whatsoever.

However, it should be voluntary, not coerced in any fashion, in my opinion.

Sums it up nicely.

So Sea, as a former LEO, are you at all concerned with the "C'mon boys lets play" mentality? Or do you just see it as hyperbole?

Where are you getting this "C'mon boys lets play" stuff from? Somewhere along the way, you seem to have picked up the perception that every gun owner thinks of themselves as some sort of badass vigilante roaming the streets looking for someone to shoot. I don't know if that perception comes from the internet, watching movies, or what... but quite simply put, that simply isn't even remotely true. I know a very large number of people who own firearms and who carry them. None... not a single one... has anything even remotely resembling that attitude. Not a single person I have ever met actually WANTS to shoot someone. Nobody WANTS to have to take someone else's life... but if the situation arises, they/I would not hesitate to do so in either self defense or the defense of others.

[Sea Six]

Sums it up nicely.



Where are you getting this "C'mon boys lets play" stuff from? Somewhere along the way, you seem to have picked up the perception that every gun owner thinks of themselves as some sort of badass vigilante roaming the streets looking for someone to shoot. I don't know if that perception comes from the internet, watching movies, or what... but quite simply put, that simply isn't even remotely true. I know a very large number of people who own firearms and who carry them. None... not a single one... has anything even remotely resembling that attitude. Not a single person I have ever met actually WANTS to shoot someone. Nobody WANTS to have to take someone else's life... but if the situation arises, they/I would not hesitate to do so in either self defense or the defense of others.

Well put, and I think this addresses what Thomas is asking about directly.

Thomas, I think the mindset is not one of going out looking to pick a fight. Rather, it's to prepare oneself, and if the attack comes to you, the mindset is "we'll, I didn't start this fight, but I'll damned sure end it as the winner if at all possible."

[Sea Six]

Let me put it this way. Since I appear to be the lone dissenting vote or voice so to speak and several people seem to think im being antagonistic, I'll stay out of the gun threads.

Maybe voice or vote isn't the correct term. I land a little on the other side of the line than most here.

I'll just bow out of the debate.

Peace

Nah, don't go away. Your discussion in these threads is appreciated, and I'm not the only one who feels that way.

[onedef92]

If the media wants to show something, why don't they get behind the hundreds who were maimed and wounded in the bombing instead of constant pics of the two loony tune perps?

[Bill]

Sums it up nicely.



Where are you getting this "C'mon boys lets play" stuff from? Somewhere along the way, you seem to have picked up the perception that every gun owner thinks of themselves as some sort of badass vigilante roaming the streets looking for someone to shoot. I don't know if that perception comes from the internet, watching movies, or what... but quite simply put, that simply isn't even remotely true. I know a very large number of people who own firearms and who carry them. None... not a single one... has anything even remotely resembling that attitude. Not a single person I have ever met actually WANTS to shoot someone. Nobody WANTS to have to take someone else's life... but if the situation arises, they/I would not hesitate to do so in either self defense or the defense of others.

Most people I know that carry a gun, well, you would never know that unless they told you.

[Jeff '79]

Sums it up nicely.



Where are you getting this "C'mon boys lets play" stuff from? Somewhere along the way, you seem to have picked up the perception that every gun owner thinks of themselves as some sort of badass vigilante roaming the streets looking for someone to shoot. I don't know if that perception comes from the internet, watching movies, or what... but quite simply put, that simply isn't even remotely true. I know a very large number of people who own firearms and who carry them. None... not a single one... has anything even remotely resembling that attitude. Not a single person I have ever met actually WANTS to shoot someone. Nobody WANTS to have to take someone else's life... but if the situation arises, they/I would not hesitate to do so in either self defense or the defense of others.

Thank you for posting this. This is exactly how I feel. PERIOD END.:cert:

Most people I know that carry a gun, well, you would never know that unless they told you.

Same here. No one knows when I am carrying either, unless I'm with guys who I know want to discuss weapons. Then we all compare what we're carrying at the time, kinda like the forum here. It's a good learning experience for everyone, even the long time gun owners who have never seen a particular weapon that one of us may have.


As for Thomas.
#1) I apologize for calling you scared.
#2) As a relatively new pistol owner as you put it, I am very excited to be able to carry.
That being said, my search for knowledge is ravenous and I frequent the "gun" threads mostly to learn from others experiences, not only here, but other forums as well. I never in any thread claimed to be an expert, however, by no means am I not educared.
#3) I am being tootled by my neighbor, a Vietnam vet, who btw, is the plant manager of a major ammo company. I couldn't be any luckier to have someone like that to get firearm training and reloading training from. He's an expert. My learning curve is leaps and bounds ahead of the person just feeling their way around a firearm for the first time..
#4) As for my political views changing, I guess that I'm in good company. Read this and you'll get the drift on exactly why I've changed my views. That's allowed...Right? Changing my mind?
NRA: Membership Has Grown by 250,000 in One Month - US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/15/nra-membership-has-grown-by-250000-in-one-month)

Lastly, I don't call people out in open forums, however, as you know, PM's are a part of forums as well, as you have PM'd me about people or things, a few times. Your name has appeared in PM's to me from three different posters here over the course of the past few weeks, regarding your condescending behavior toward me. I've bit my tongue up until now, and obviously have ignored your attempts to goad me into a debate.
If you feel the need to continue; have at it. I'm not playing your game though.
Have a great day ! You're the best...:cert::cert:
Condescending.... You know exactly what I mean. Peace...:spdchk:

[Sea Six]

Well stated, Jeff.

Thomas, I welcome your input to this or any other future discussions on guns.

Plus, I'd really like some tips on how to get Executive Hair like you have.



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[99 pewtercoupe]

Plus, I'd really like some tips on how to get Executive Hair like you have

:shots:

Follicle envy?

[Sea Six]

Follicle envy?

And how. :eek:

[Bill]

I'll just leave this here:

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