Who do you think was behind the Boston Marathon bombings?

[Sea Six]

I know it's early, but we still have the situation itself to consider. Like Mike Mercury said in another thread, domestic terrorists usually go after a specific target, like a government building, etc., while the international terrorists go after events that have maximum impact through media which is on-scene and filming at the time of the act.

I'm putting Muslim extremists as a separate poll response because I think that's going to ultimately turn out to be responsible.

[War Eagle ZO6]

George W Bush

[MrPeabody]

Bogus poll. No pie option.

[Meeko87]

Whig party extremists

[Sea Six]

Bogus poll. No pie option.

Are serious poll. Go eat pie in another thread. With the Norwegians.

[Sea Six]

Whig party extremists

Well, it certainly wasn't the Know-Nothing Party.

[Meeko87]

Well, it certainly wasn't the Know-Nothing Party.

Can't rule them out, Boston and the Irish go hand in hand...

[kylebuck]

North Korea

[Doug28450]

North Korea

No. Their target is Austin, Texas.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

If it was Muslims, perhaps it'll help galvanize this country against these pricks. I'm the last person to throw out the baby with the bath water, but enough is enough.

[Yerf Dog]

Domestic Muslim extremists

[kingpin]

Canadians... definitely the Canadians.

[Sea Six]

Canadians... definitely the Canadians.

Aww, man... why'd you have to spill the beans?

[kingpin]

They would find out soon enough.
I mean we all are Socialist, Liberal, Commie servants.
Not one of us doesn't fit in to that stereotype.

...trying to remember where he placed his penguin...

[Sea Six]

:funnier:

[VatorMan]

Canadians... definitely the Canadians.

Can't be Canadians- they would have apologized by now.

[kingpin]

Can't be Canadians- they would have apologized by now.

Maybe you're right.
Sorry!

[99 pewtercoupe]

Maybe you're right.
Sorry!

:lol::lol::lol:

[onedef92]

Boston bombs said to be made from pressure cookers

BOSTON (AP) — The bombs that ripped through the crowd at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and wounding more than 170, were fashioned out of pressure cookers and packed with shards of metal, nails and ball bearings to inflict maximum carnage, a person briefed on the investigation said Tuesday.

The details on the apparently crude but deadly explosives emerged as investigators appealed to the public for amateur video and photos that might yield clues. The chief FBI agent in Boston vowed "we will go to the ends of the Earth" to find those responsible.

A person who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still going on said the explosives were put in 6-liter kitchen pressure cookers, hidden in black duffel bags and left on the ground. They were packed with shrapnel, the person said.

The person said law enforcement officials have some of the bomb components but do not yet know what was used to set off the explosives. A doctor treating the wounded appeared to corroborate the person's account, saying one of the victims was maimed by what looked like ball bearings or BBs. Doctors also said they removed a host of sharp objects from the victims, including nails that were sticking out of one little girl's body.

At the White House, meanwhile, President Barack Obama said that the bombings were an act of terrorism but that investigators do not know if they were carried out by an international organization, a domestic group or a "malevolent individual."

He added: "The American people refuse to be terrorized." Across the U.S., from Washington to Los Angeles, police stepped up security, monitoring landmarks, government buildings, transit hubs and sporting events. Security was especially tight in Boston, with bomb-sniffing dogs checking Amtrak passengers' luggage at South Station and transit police patrolling with rifles.

"They can give me a cavity search right now and I'd be perfectly happy," said Daniel Wood, a video producer from New York City who was waiting for a train. Similar pressure-cooker explosives have been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, according to a July 2010 intelligence report by the FBI and Homeland Security. Also, one of the three devices used in the May 2010 Times Square attempted bombing was a pressure cooker, the report said.

"Placed carefully, such devices provide little or no indication of an impending attack," the report said. The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed responsibility for the 2010 attempt in Times Square, has denied any role in the Boston Marathon attack.

The two bombs blew up about 10 seconds and around 100 yards apart Monday near the finish line of the 26.2-mile race, tearing off limbs, knocking people off their feet and leaving the streets stained with blood and strewn with broken glass. The dead included an 8-year-old boy.

"We started grabbing tourniquets and started tying legs. A lot of people amputated," said Roupen Bastajian, a state trooper from Smithfield, R.I., who had just finished the race when he heard the explosions.

Federal investigators said no one had claimed responsibility for the bombings, which took place at the world's best-known distance race, held every year on one of Boston's biggest holidays, Patriots' Day.

"We will go to the ends of the Earth to identify the subject or subjects who are responsible for this despicable crime, and we will do everything we can to bring them to justice," said Richard DesLauriers, FBI agent in charge in Boston.

He said investigators had received "voluminous tips" and were interviewing witnesses and analyzing the crime scene. Gov. Deval Patrick said that contrary to earlier reports, no unexploded bombs were found.

FBI agents searched an apartment in the Boston suburb of Revere overnight, and investigators were seen leaving with brown paper bags, plastic trash bags and a duffel bag. But it was unclear whether the tenant had anything to do with the attack.

A law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release details of the investigation said the man had been tackled by a bystander, then police, as he ran from the scene of the explosions.

But the official said it is possible the man was simply running away to protect himself from the blast, as many others did. At a news conference, police and federal agents repeatedly appealed for any video, audio and photos taken by marathon spectators, even images that people might not think are significant.

"There has to be hundreds, if not thousands, of photos and videos" that might help investigators, state police Col. Timothy Alben said. Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis said investigators also gathered a large number of surveillance tapes from businesses in the area and intend to go through the videos frame by frame.

"This is probably one of the most photographed areas in the country yesterday," he said. At least 17 people were critically injured, police said. At least eight children were being treated at hospitals. In addition to losing limbs, victims suffered broken bones, shrapnel wounds and ruptured eardrums.

Dr. Stephen Epstein of the emergency medicine department at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center said he saw an X-ray of one victim's leg that had "what appears to be small, uniform, round objects throughout it — similar in the appearance to BBs."

Eight-year-old Martin Richard was among the dead, said U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, a family friend. The boy's mother, Denise, and 6-year-old sister, Jane, were badly injured. His brother and father were also watching the race but were not hurt.

A candle burned on the stoop of the family's single-family home in the city's Dorchester section Tuesday, and the word "Peace" was written in chalk on the front walk. Neighbor Betty Delorey said Martin loved to climb neighborhood trees and hop the fence outside his home.

About 23,000 runners participated in this year's Boston Marathon. Nearly two-thirds of them had crossed the finish line by the time the bombs exploded, but thousands more were still completing the course.

The attack may have been timed for maximum bloodshed: The four-hour mark is typically a crowded time near the finish line because of the slow-but-steady recreational runners completing the race and because of all the friends and relatives clustered around to cheer them on.

Davis, the police commissioner, said authorities had received "no specific intelligence that anything was going to happen" at the race. On Tuesday, he said that two security sweeps of the route had been conducted beforehand.

Patriots' Day commemorates the opening shots of the American Revolution, at Concord and Lexington in 1775. Richard Barrett, the former U.N. coordinator for an al-Qaida and Taliban monitoring team who has also worked for British intelligence, said the relatively small size of the devices in Boston and the timing of the blasts suggest a domestic attack rather than an al-Qaida-inspired one.

"This happened on Patriots' Day — it is also the day Americans are supposed to have their taxes in — and Boston is quite a symbolic city," said Barrett, now senior director at the Qatar International Academy for Security Studies.

[Bill]

I disagree with the poll because False Flag Attack was not one of the choices. Having said that, yeah, my money is on Muslim extremists. Not really any military signicance to Boston Marathon, but it makes a bold, brutal statement that the war is still on.

[onedef92]

My money is on amateur domestic terrorist with an ax to grind against Obama and the present U.S. administration.

[kylebuck]

No. Their target is Austin, Texas.

they took a wrong turn in Albuquerque

[FasterTraffic]

they took a wrong turn in Albuquerque

So the target was supposed to be Pismo Beach...

[kylebuck]

So the target was supposed to be Pismo Beach...

yup
but they ran into a duck and rabbit season argument and got turned around./

[onedef92]

What about those two, crazy mofo's who tried to nut up in Bowing Green, KY two year ago? Wouldn't it have been wild if they'd party-crashed a VB or CF event?

Terror Suspects Arrested In Bowling Green
Men Taken Into Federal Custody

UPDATED 5:34 AM EDT Jun 01, 2011

BOWLING GREEN, Ky. - Two men living in Bowling Green, Ky., are accused of funding and arming a terrorist group in Iraq.

The two men are Iraqi natives.

Waad Ramadan Alwan, 30, and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, 23, are in federal custody after being arrested last Wednesday and indicted by a federal grand jury Tuesday.

Both men have pleaded not guilty.

Alwan and Hammadi are charged with conspiring to kill U.S. nationals abroad, conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction and attempting to provide material support to terrorists and al-Qaida in Iraq.

Prosecutors said the two men are veterans of the insurgency and have used explosive devices and sniper rifles against American troops.

Despite being captured in Iraq, the two men made their way into the United States; Alwan in April 2009, Hammadi three months later.

The federal government cited a screening gap that allowed the two inside U.S. borders. Officials said that gap has since been corrected.

From here, prosecutors said, the two worked to support Iraqi insurgents.

Information about where the men lived and worked in Bowling Green has not been released. The location of a storage unit somewhere in Kentucky where, prosecutors said, Alwan and Hammadi were storing weapons has not been released.

Prosecutors said, in November, Alwan picked up machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers from the storage facility.

In January, both suspects are said to have delivered money to a tractor-trailer, prosecutors said. In March, the pair is accused of picking up two Stinger missiles from another storage facility in Kentucky.

Prosecutors said the pair believed the money and weapons were bound for al-Qaida in Iraq.

The two are also accused of trying to ship C4 plastic explosives, sniper rifles and hand grenades to insurgents in Iraq.

Prosecutors said the two never plotted attacks on U.S. soil, and none of the money or weapons ever reached Iraq.

[Bill]

they took a wrong turn in Albuquerque

http://www.trailergypsies.com/_images/Bugs-ABQ.jpg

[Fasglas]

muslim extremists. No specific target, but maximum damage.

[ApexOversteer]

Malaysian Al Queda sleeper cell is my bet.

[onedef92]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r5/g_bassi13/continuum.png

It just occurred to me this thing is starting to have terrorism plot overtones similar to the SciFi Channel shows "Continuum" and "Caprica."

[Doug28450]

Rosie O'Donnell

[JMS32935]

Rosie O'Donnell

The Irish.

Boston's full of them, and this is just like what they did in England.

:waiting:

[69camfrk]

Canadians... definitely the Canadians.

You guys shake so hard from your sub zero temps, you couldn't with luck from the explosive making gods get the right connections soldered. Rules you out....sorry.

[69camfrk]

My money is on amateur domestic terrorist with an ax to grind against Obama and the present U.S. administration.

I will be anxious to see which one of us is right. Killing innocents has nothing to do with Obama or his administration. Terrorists try to disrupt daily American life when they can to hurt our already fragile economy. But that is my take on it.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I'm betting on an imported college student who thought he was doing something important.

[OddBall]

Homegrown

[Jeff '79]

Home grown

[kingpin]

You guys shake so hard from your sub zero temps, you couldn't with luck from the explosive making gods get the right connections soldered. Rules you out....sorry.

No, I'm sorry that you're sorry!
I really do apologize.

...happy to of found his penguin in his igloo...

[xXBUDXx]

If it was Muslims, perhaps it'll help galvanize this country against these pricks. I'm the last person to throw out the baby with the bath water, but enough is enough.

Pics of the baby?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

The Irish.

Boston's full of them, and this is just like what they did in England.

:waiting:
Let's go with the IRA. The folks who brought you the car bomb.

[burtonbl103]

EXCLUSIVE PHOTOS: Boston Marathon bomb - Boston News, Weather, Sports | FOX 25 | MyFoxBoston (http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/21996004/exclusive-photos-boston-marathon-bomb)

[Rob]

After news I learned today I am going to change my vote to an American independent

[Milton Fox]

North Korea

:iagree: All that recent posturing was just a distraction for the real thing.

[Milton Fox]

...happy to of found his penguin in his igloo...

Wait - your penguin has his own igloo? :waiting:

[Aerovette]

I don't think it is anything more than a single whack job that dreamed this up in his mom's basement.

The Batman movie killer and the Sandy Hook killer set the bar and the loonies have to aim higher to get over it.

I think a real terrorist group would have done a LOT more damage.

[DukeAllen]

I refuse to answer on the grounds that people will accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat.

[carlton_fritz]

.gov

Everyone knows I wear a tinfoil hat.

[island14]

I'm betting on an imported college student who thought he was doing something important.


This!... sounds like a very believable theory.. :yesnod:


I have noticed today that the press seems to be leaning more towards domestic, but could be they don't want to jump the gun to accuse another country, or give credit to a terrorist group just yet.

[Torqaholic]

Anybodys guess but I'd give barrack even odds against the rest put together.

[onedef92]

http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj321/jpmassar/J4AB%20and%20Police%20Brutality/mollie-guy-fawkes-m5_zpsd0cfe0d3.jpg

I still think it's a wannabee, V for Vendetta-type mofo. An amateur, domestic terrorist. Dude thinks he's a "true believer patriot" who hopes to galvanize outrage against the government by striking on an important date in our nation's history while targeting a popular event in American pop culture.

In his warped mind, Boston Massacre of 1770 = Boston Massacre of 2013.

All terrorists consider casualties collateral damage, they don't give a shit about who's innocent or not.

[carlton_fritz]

This!... sounds like a very believable theory.. :yesnod:


I have noticed today that the press seems to be leaning more towards domestic, but could be they don't want to jump the gun to accuse another country, or give credit to a terrorist group just yet.
The press is hoping for a white guy.

[island14]

The press is hoping for a white guy.

I am guessing not black or white, but a foreign exchange student as Bucky suggested.

[MrPeabody]

You guys are all wrong. It's a Yankee fan.

[Sea Six]

Russian brothers from Chechnya. Chechnya = full of Muslim assholes.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Russian brothers from Chechnya. Chechnya = full of Muslim assholes.

Poll needs Russians apparently. :shrug:

[Fastguy]

Poll needs Russians apparently. :shrug:

Russians don't consider Chechnyans Russian.

[Cybercowboy]

These guys are Islamists from Chechnya. They come from many different countries. I voted Muslim extremists so, as the meme goes...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1vwioU1YW1qhcshf.jpg

[Vette40th]

These guys are Islamists from Chechnya. They come from many different countries. I voted Muslim extremists so, as the meme goes...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1vwioU1YW1qhcshf.jpg

Yep, and when number 2 is dead, this will beanother benghazi. Admin won't do shit

[BuckyThreadkiller]

Yep, and when number 2 is dead, this will beanother benghazi. Admin won't do shit

And if they kill both perpetrators, what more would you have them do?

Eat them?

[Fastguy]

Their Uncle just pulled a Grumpy Cat.

Interviewer: "One of your nephews has been killed"

Uncle: "Good"

[Doug28450]

Their Uncle just pulled a Grumpy Cat.

Interviewer: "One of your nephews has been killed"

Uncle: "Good"

He wasn't the favorite nephew.

[Cybercowboy]

And if they kill both perpetrators, what more would you have them do?

Eat them?

They will stop handing out visas like candy to young men from Islamic trouble spots.

Oh, wait, no they won't.

[Vette40th]

And if they kill both perpetrators, what more would you have them do?

Eat them?
I would like to know who backed them with their training, weapons, bombs etc.

[Doug28450]

Did the "photo" of the guy in the grey hoodie look like drawing?

[Torqaholic]

Their Uncle just pulled a Grumpy Cat.

Interviewer: "One of your nephews has been killed"

Uncle: "Good"

:lol:

[island14]

I'm betting on an imported college student who thought he was doing something important.

Bucky called it.. :yesnod:


Late Friday, less than an hour after authorities said the search for Dzhokhar had proved fruitless, they tracked down the 19-year-old college student holed up in the boat, weakened by a gunshot wound after fleeing on foot from the overnight shootout with police that left 200 spent rounds behind.

[Sea Six]

Bucky called it.. :yesnod:

:seasix:

:hurray:

[RedLS1GTO]

Bucky... and Yerf.

Domestic Muslim extremists


They weren't born here but at least for the younger one, I think being here since you were 7 years old counts at least in part as "domestic". He was raised here, grew up here, went to high school here...

The older brother I would put entirely in the "import" category.

[Stangkiller]

Bucky... and Yerf.




They weren't born here but at least for the younger one, I think being here since you were 7 years old counts at least in part as "domestic". He was raised here, grew up here, went to high school here...

The older brother I would put entirely in the "import" category.

The younger apparently received his citizenship on Sept 11, 2012.

[vetteman9368]

The younger apparently received his citizenship on Sept 11, 2012.

And it should be retroactively revoked as of 4/14/13

[Burro (He/Haw)]

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/9974_632925186722091_1030903283_n_zps3aaefbb5.jpg

[Bill]

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/9974_632925186722091_1030903283_n_zps3aaefbb5.jpg

Fail. The girl on the right was a Chinese citizen, not American.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Fail. The girl on the right was a Chinese citizen, not American.

You're right. Her death at the hands of an Islamic terrorist doesn't count against Islamic terrorists.

Fail.

[carlton_fritz]

I still think the .gov was behind it.:leaving:

[69camfrk]

Well, we all know that Islam was the largest motivator in this bombing. I called it from the start. Islam is a cancer. It is not just a repressive religion, but a socio, economic, military machine. I am all for freedom of religion, but when it comes between my pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, I have a problem with it. It has absolutely no place in American culture. For those that disagree with me, do some research and the real truth behind it will come out. It is scary stuff.:sadangel:

[RedLS1GTO]

I am all for freedom of religion, but when it comes between my pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness, I have a problem with it.

:iagree: x 100,000,000

I am not personally religious. I also have absolutely no problem with those who are, be it Christian, Buddhist, Jewish,... Scientologist... you name it. Believe what you wish and worship however you wish. We might debate it from time to time but I will never tell you what you should and shouldn't believe.

There is 1 exception. That exception is when those beliefs include violence towards others. When your beliefs translate to violence, killing, and a vile hatred of all who do not believe the same as you, well... THAT I have a problem with.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

There is 1 exception. That exception is when those beliefs include violence towards others. When your beliefs translate to violence, killing, and a vile hatred of all who do not believe the same as you, well... THAT I have a problem with.
Pretty much every religious organization you mentioned has at one time in their history killed in the name of their religion. Appaling, but true.

Being Roman Catholic, the Crusades come to mind immediately.

[RedLS1GTO]

Pretty much every religious organization you mentioned has at one time in their history killed in the name of their religion. Appaling, but true.

Being Roman Catholic, the Crusades come to mind immediately.

I realize this is true in history... my comment was with regard to the here and now.

Be it Catholic, Islam, Buddhism, or any of the other countless religions, there is absolutely ZERO reason in todays society to be preaching and advocating terrorism or any other form of violence towards others. It is absolutely unacceptable.

[69camfrk]

Pretty much every religious organization you mentioned has at one time in their history killed in the name of their religion. Appaling, but true.

Being Roman Catholic, the Crusades come to mind immediately.

What you have said is absolutely true. However, those that are not Islamic are considered infidels and "should be killed". Yes, the crusades come to mind, but I would like to think we have progressed mentally since that time. Here is some good reading regarding my statement.



Muhammad's Own Words

Prophet of Doom was written to expose what Islam’s founder had to say about himself, his ambition, religion, and god. Before you use or criticize these quotes, please read this overview from the author. For those who are serious about the study of Islam, be sure to read the source material appendix, entitled Islam's Dark Past.


Fighting

Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great reward.'"
Bukhari:V4B53N386 "Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: 'Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4668 "The Messenger said: 'Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights."
Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:72 "Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them - these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so." [Another translation reads:] "You are only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Muslim:C9B1N31 "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought."
Bukhari:V9B84N59 "Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.'"
Qur'an:8:73 "The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah's religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah's Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid - these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise)."
Tabari IX:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Qur'an:48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."
Qur'an:48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."
Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Qur'an:47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."
Tabari VI:138 "Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting."
Tabari VI:139 "Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse 'And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.'"
Qur'an:9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."
Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."
Qur'an:5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."
Ishaq:578 "Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet's fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory."
Tabari IX:22 "The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly."
Tabari IX:25 "By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta'if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant."
Tabari IX:82 "The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them."
Tabari IX:88 "Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah's Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger's command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them."
Ishaq:530 "Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends."
Muslim:C9B1N29 "Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: 'I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.' Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat."
Muslim:C9B1N33 "The Prophet said: 'I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.'"
Muslim:C10B1N176 "Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: 'There is no god but Allah,' but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: 'Did he profess "There is no god but Allah," and even then you killed him?' I said: 'He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.' The Prophet said: 'Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?'"
Muslim:C20B1N4597 "The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: 'There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.'"
Muslim:C28B20N4628 "Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty."
Muslim:C28B20N4629 "The Messenger said: 'One who is wounded in the Way of Allah - and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way - will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.'"
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 "The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: 'Who is the best of men?' He replied: 'A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah's Cause.'"
Muslim:C42B20N4684 "A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: 'Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?' The Messenger of Allah said: 'Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.'"
Muslim:C53B20N4717 "The Prophet said: 'This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.'"
Bukhari:V5B59N288 "I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, 'We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.' I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him."
Bukhari:V5B59N290 "The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward."
Qur'an:2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
Qur'an:2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
Qur'an:2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all."
Qur'an:2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
Ishaq:280 "The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah's command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight."
Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
Bukhari:V4B52N61 "Allah's Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight."
Ishaq:398 "Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage."
Qur'an:3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
Ishaq:393 "How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast."
Qur'an:3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
Qur'an:3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."
Ishaq:440 "Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad's foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword."
Ishaq:470 "We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls."
Qur'an:61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."
Qur'an:61:11 "Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah's Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!" Qur'an 61:12 "He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies."
Qur'an:8:5 "Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting)."
Qur'an:24:53 "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"
Qur'an:4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward."
Qur'an:4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"
Qur'an:4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
Qur'an:4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
Qur'an:4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
Qur'an:4:84 "Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you."
Qur'an:4:94 "Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah's Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: 'You are not a believer!' Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward."
Qur'an:4:100 "He who leaves his home in Allah's Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy."
Qur'an:4:102 "When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come - taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment."
Qur'an:4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."

[Burro (He/Haw)]

there is absolutely ZERO reason in todays society to be preaching and advocating terrorism or any other form of violence towards others. It is absolutely unacceptable.
:cert:
We agree. TWICE this week. Lets not make it a habit. :funnier:

[Cybercowboy]

Pretty much every religious organization you mentioned has at one time in their history killed in the name of their religion. Appaling, but true.

Being Roman Catholic, the Crusades come to mind immediately.

You do realize, of course, that the Crusades didn't happen in a vacuum. They were the direct result of centuries of aggression on the part of Islamists. When they started the armies of Mohammed had made it all the way to what is now Spain.

But worry not. When Obama took office Eric Holder instructed the FBI to remove all references to Islamic terror from their training manual. Obama is not happy with any American associating acts of violence with the Religion Of Pieces.

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[Burro (He/Haw)]

You do realize, of course, that the Crusades didn't happen in a vacuum.
I didn't say they did. ALL I said was this;
Pretty much every religious organization you mentioned has at one time in their history killed in the name of their religion. Appaling, but true.

Being Roman Catholic, the Crusades come to mind immediately.

Nothing more, nothing less OK?

[Cybercowboy]

I didn't say they did. ALL I said was this;


Nothing more, nothing less OK?

Yeah, I know. It's called moral equivalency and it's not a very good tactic to use while making points. It's like when your parents catch you doing something you're not supposed to be doing, and saying "But the other kids do it!"

Political correctness is perhaps the biggest problem we have in dealing with Islamic terror. Pointing out that other people in the distant past did bad things is just a tactic of making excuses for what is actually a war against civilization. The sooner we recognize this the better off we'll be.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Pointing out that other people in the distant past did bad things is just a tactic of making excuses for what is actually a war against civilization
You're reading WAY too much into my response. WAY too much.

Red Goat stated:
When your beliefs translate to violence, killing, and a vile hatred of all who do not believe the same as you, well... THAT I have a problem with.
My point, and my ONLY point was this has been going on for centuries, and will most likely NEVER END.

Understand?