If a Big truck runs over a bicyclist in the woods...

[RED-85-Z51]

does anyone give 2 shits?

Damn them...damn them all.

[C5Nate]

Damn them...damn them all.

Trucks or cyclist?

[RED-85-Z51]

cyclists who run stop signs, and go 10mph in a 25 zone, riding down the middle of a damn lane.

I pulled out to pass his ass and a damn dump truck rounded the corner ahead of me, i narrowly cleared them both.

All the damn roads in the county with a bike path, or sidewalk, hell its only a mile from a damn park with a paved "ring" and some trails...but no, got to ride down the curvy narrow semi-busy roadway.

[DukeAllen]

Happens to me all the time. If the idiots get hit THEY get hurt but we'd be in trouble.:cuss:

[RED-85-Z51]

Happens to me all the time. If the idiots get hit THEY get hurt but we'd be in trouble.:cuss:

Exactly. They want all the rights that go along with sharing the road with automobiles..but dont want to follow the rules, or be courteous about it.

Hell..if Im in a vehicle, and it wont go over 10 in a 25 zone, I pull over and let people by...hell, to NOT do that is pure assholery.

My options were to ride at 8-10mph for a 1/2 mile to 3/4 mile until my turn off, or try to get around him safely. i probably shouldnt have tried to go around him, my passenger nearly soiled themselves and was "shaken". I actually thought the trailer I was towing might have clipped the guy on the bike, but it didnt.

[NavyC5]

The trick is just to clip them a little so you knock them off the bike but doesn't damage the bike that way you can just throw the bike in your truck and then sell it on craigslist :seasix:

[OddBall]

They love to get out in the middle of rush hour too.

Arrogant sons-of-bitches have the biggest "Hurray for me and f'ck the rest of the world" attitude I've ever seen.

[MEANZ06]

Cummins vs Bicycles - YouTube

:D

[NeedSpeed]

:funnier:

[Milton Fox]

http://uk.web.img2.acsta.net/r_640_600/b_1_d6d6d6/medias/04/14/54/041454_ph4.jpg

[mrvette]

Screw the laws, I told my kids to ride on the SIDEWALKS, NOT in the streets, hell with the laws, anyone got any questions, tell them to see ME....screw the cops....


:seasix::hurray:

[Hoog]

I know a few guys that ride their bikes to work most days. None of them are assholes about riding. They do their best to stay out of the way and follow the rules of the road.

They all have stories about motorists who are absolutely oblivious or go out of their way to screw with them, and the resulting close calls.

:shrug:

[Broken Wind]

Go complain here. And it begins. sping is almost here and raging cagers are too. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/877937-And-it-begins-sping-is-almost-here-and-raging-cagers-are-too)

[Blademaker]

Cummins vs Bicycles - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdDxjge5hmY)

:D

I LOL'ed...........:rofl: :seasix:

[Mike Mercury]

in the woods...

http://favim.com/orig/201106/16/cute-fashion-forest-girl-picture-Favim.com-77906.jpg

http://t1.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/46/20/08/400_F_46200877_rHG2Up6Uh5iIgGJo5XGOSQbNbUfHrSfY.jpg

http://www.colourbox.com/preview/4038604-955751-woman-in-nature-while-hiking.jpg

[DukeAllen]

http://favim.com/orig/201106/16/cute-fashion-forest-girl-picture-Favim.com-77906.jpg

http://t1.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/46/20/08/400_F_46200877_rHG2Up6Uh5iIgGJo5XGOSQbNbUfHrSfY.jpg

http://www.colourbox.com/preview/4038604-955751-woman-in-nature-while-hiking.jpg

They can ride me like the town bicycle anytime:yesnod:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

That Cummins driver is an asshole. Stoopid fukin' hillbilly.

[RED-85-Z51]

That Cummins driver is a fukcin hero, genius Hillbilly

[OddBall]

Go complain here. And it begins. sping is almost here and raging cagers are too. (http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/877937-And-it-begins-sping-is-almost-here-and-raging-cagers-are-too)

I think I was the guy in the blue truck :funny:

[C5Nate]

That Cummins driver is an asshole. Stoopid fukin' hillbilly.


:iagree:

Gives a bad name to other diesel owners and why the general population will show nothing but disdain for us.

I don't ride as often as I used to but I can guarantee you that there are far more asshole drivers out there then there are asshole riders.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

That Cummins driver is a fukcin hero, genius Hillbilly

Of course you feel this way. At least you're predictable. :rolleyes:

[6spdC6]

:iagree:

Gives a bad name to other diesel owners and why the general population will show nothing but disdain for us.

I don't ride as often as I used to but I can guarantee you that there are far more asshole drivers out there then there are asshole riders.



Come up to the large lake I live on in a nice summer weekend and you will see why a lot of those urinal headed spandex clad idiots are hated. Yes they have been a few killed and seriously damaged. About 90% of the time the Leos find they that were acting recklessly. Funny it’s not the solitary riders but the ones that travel with many others that phuckup! Biker vs. cagier no matter who is at fault the biker is the one hurt!


No I do not drive a diesel.

[Broken Wind]

urinal headed spandex clad idiots




Nice.

[...Whitepower...]

I run a fair amount (3 times a week typicaly). My usual route is a 3.6 mile loop that has me making a right out of my driveway when i start and another right back into my driveway when i return home from the other direction. Of that 3.6 mile loop a good 1.5 miles of it is on a road that doesn't have a sidewalk. When i run on that particular road without the sidewalk i switch sides and run on the side of the road where there is the oncoming traffic so i can see the assholes coming. It's amazing how many there are out there too that won't give you an inch even though there is no one coming in the oncoming direction and they have plenty of room to move over. I actually prefer running in the dark now due to their being less traffic (and assholes) than in the evening hours say at 6 or 7 when people are still driving home from work.

I'm typically not one to pass judgement on others but i would be willing to bet a fair amount of the guys bitching and that aren't showing any sympathy are the ones that haven't exercised in years and could benefit from it the most. Get off your asses people.

BTW Red, riding a bike on the sidewalk is illegal.

[Doug28450]

BTW Red, riding a bike on the sidewalk is illegal.

He will never understand that.

[Bill]

Red, I don't see why bicyclists in the right lane would bother you. Aren't you the guy holding up traffic in the left lane anyway?


Seriously, though, the trucker "rolling coal" or whatever other idiotic euphemism is en vogue these days is a dick. If you are upset with someone else on the roadway, there's already several options for expressing that displeasure, not the least of which is the car horn. Nate's right. That's the kind of crap that gives diesel drivers in general, and rednecks specifically, a bad name.

[NavyC5]

I run a fair amount (3 times a week typicaly). My usual route is a 3.6 mile loop that has me making a right out of my driveway when i start and another right back into my driveway when i return home from the other direction. Of that 3.6 mile loop a good 1.5 miles of it is on a road that doesn't have a sidewalk. When i run on that particular road without the sidewalk i switch sides and run on the side of the road where there is the oncoming traffic so i can see the assholes coming. It's amazing how many there are out there too that won't give you an inch even though there is no one coming in the oncoming direction and they have plenty of room to move over. I actually prefer running in the dark now due to their being less traffic (and assholes) than in the evening hours say at 6 or 7 when people are still driving home from work.

I'm typically not one to pass judgement on others but i would be willing to bet a fair amount of the guys bitching and that aren't showing any sympathy are the ones that haven't exercised in years and could benefit from it the most. Get off your asses people.

BTW Red, riding a bike on the sidewalk is illegal.

Just curious, you run on a road with no sidewalk and get pissed when cars that have the right of way don't make room for you. That would be like me driving on a bike path and getting mad if the bikes don't get out of my way.

[Bill]

Just curious, you run on a road with no sidewalk and get pissed when cars that have the right of way don't make room for you. That would be like me driving on a bike path and getting mad if the bikes don't get out of my way.

As a driver, you are expected to be aware of and safely avoid road hazards. Say you saw a kid playing in a driveway and were driving by. Would you slow down, or move over a little bit? If there was a gator or other debris in the road, would you move to go around it?

When I see someone walking on the side of the road, running, riding a bike, walking their dog, whatever, if I can, I give them a wide berth. that protects me from the hassle that will come with running over someone if they should fall, trip, or suddenly dart in my path. It also shows a little courtesy. When someone is stopped on the side of the road changing a tire, for example, I always try to get over a lane so I don't whiz right by them at highway speeds.

I'd say the dichotomy between those that get over for Whitepower and those that don't boils down to this: the guys that don't don't think he should be on the street, so they want to make that point by not moving over at all. "Hey, this is my street, a street for cars, so I'm going to pass you as closely as possible to impress that point on you." The guys that give that person a wide berth are simply driving defensively and/or showing courtesy. They could give a wide berth around the road hazard, so they did.

[vtelvr]

The ONLY problem I have with cyclists/runners on the road are when they are in a big pack and aren't following the laws set forth. IE: Riding in a single file line, and not following traffic signals, be it a stop sign or light. Otherwise, if you care to be that close to a 4K+ speeding hunk of metal, more power to you. I rather not put myself in that position. YMMV.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

"Hey, this is my street, a street for cars, so I'm going to pass you as closely as possible to impress that point on you."
"And I'm gonna act like a cockknocker and blast exhaust on you."

[...Whitepower...]

Thanks Bill. I addition when i am out there i am running defensively. Similar to how most of us drive defensively. Its all about self preservation and doing whatever possible to avoid a possible accident. I would rather "illegally" run on the oncoming traffic side than run on the legal side with cars coming up from behind that i can't see and react to.

Just to be clear... If a car approaches me from the oncoming direction i move onto the grass shoulder. But at the same time if their is nothing approaching me from behind why not just give me a little room so i don't have to move onto that shoulder? I know that's not always possible when there is alot of traffic but when traffic is light, why not just move over a bit??

[C5Nate]

Come up to the large lake I live on in a nice summer weekend and you will see why a lot of those urinal headed spandex clad idiots are hated.


Been up to Lake George many times, never ran into issues with cyclist.

[NavyC5]

Thanks Bill. I addition when i am out there i am running defensively. Similar to how most of us drive defensively. Its all about self preservation and doing whatever possible to avoid a possible accident. I would rather "illegally" run on the oncoming traffic side than run on the legal side with cars coming up from behind that i can't see and react to.

Just to be clear... If a car approaches me from the oncoming direction i move onto the grass shoulder. But at the same time if their is nothing approaching me from behind why not just give me a little room so i don't have to move onto that shoulder? I know that's not always possible when there is alot of traffic but when traffic is light, why not just move over a bit??

Believe me, I understand where you are coming from. I run on the road all the time and I'm constantly watching for traffic. But the bottom line is, on a road, cars have the right of way. Giving you a little room is a courtesy but you are putting yourself in the position and it should not be expected that they make room for you.

What I have a problem with is running/cyclist that feel they have the right of way. I almost ran over a guy the other day as I was backing out of my parking spot on base. I started to move and he ran right behind my car. If I hadn't been paying attention, it wouldn't have ended well for him. What really pissed me off is when he turned and yelled at me to watch out. So I got out of the car and had a little conversation with him. He started out being an asshole but changed his tune real fast when I pointed out that I'm good friends with his First Sergeant, Chief and Commander. Funny how that works.

[JRD77VET]

They have a bicycle race in my area. They block the intersections where the true race professionals come thru. No problem, times and intersections are listed in the paper.

Then for the next two or three hours you have the amateurs coming thru. They must think that stop signs and traffic lights are only for motorized vehicles and those laws do no apply to them. :banghead:

A few years ago, I'm driving down RT 29 in my suburban when one of the two wheeled assholes runs the red light. As I have all four wheels locked up narrowly avoiding the idiot, he's flipping me off. :cuss:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Then you have the pack mentality when a bunch of the lycra clad losers ride all bunched up. I'm more than happy to share the road but when they decide to bunch up 2/3 across the entire two lane road and not leave any room for me to pass them, that's where the patience runs thin.

[NavyC5]

As a driver, you are expected to be aware of and safely avoid road hazards. Say you saw a kid playing in a driveway and were driving by. Would you slow down, or move over a little bit? If there was a gator or other debris in the road, would you move to go around it?

When I see someone walking on the side of the road, running, riding a bike, walking their dog, whatever, if I can, I give them a wide berth. that protects me from the hassle that will come with running over someone if they should fall, trip, or suddenly dart in my path. It also shows a little courtesy. When someone is stopped on the side of the road changing a tire, for example, I always try to get over a lane so I don't whiz right by them at highway speeds.

I'd say the dichotomy between those that get over for Whitepower and those that don't boils down to this: the guys that don't don't think he should be on the street, so they want to make that point by not moving over at all. "Hey, this is my street, a street for cars, so I'm going to pass you as closely as possible to impress that point on you." The guys that give that person a wide berth are simply driving defensively and/or showing courtesy. They could give a wide berth around the road hazard, so they did.

Yes, people should drive defensively and I agree with you for the most part. However, a person that is running on a public roadway should not expect traffic to make room for them. You're using a public road at your own risk.

[NavyC5]

A few years ago, I'm driving down RT 29 in my suburban when one of the two wheeled assholes runs the red light. As I have all four wheels locked up narrowly avoiding the idiot, he's flipping me off. :cuss:


Should have followed him, run him over, then flipped him off as you're calling an ambulance :seasix:

[JRD77VET]

Should have followed him, run him over, then flipped him off as you're calling an ambulance :seasix:

I found out the hard way when a stupid ****ing bicyclist rides into your vehicle, you lose because "you didn't have complete and total control of your motor vehicle" :slap:

[Doug28450]

Just curious, you run on a road with no sidewalk and get pissed when cars that have the right of way don't make room for you. That would be like me driving on a bike path and getting mad if the bikes don't get out of my way.

Why do cars "have the right of way"?

[NavyC5]

I found out the hard way when a stupid ****ing bicyclist rides into your vehicle, you lose because "you didn't have complete and total control of your motor vehicle" :slap:

I would have fought that until the day I died

[RED-85-Z51]

Why do cars "have the right of way"?

I pay good money to the state every year for the right to drive my trucks on the road, this money goes to maintaining the road systems. Until such a time that those lycra sucking knob gobbling wannabes have to pay 75 dollars a year for a tag, and 200 dollars to actually get the tag..as well as maintain insurance on their vehicle, and can maintain the flow of traffic...they have no business riding down the center of my lane.

This road is narrow, there is no defined shoulder...it is NOT the place to be riding a bike at 5pm on Friday afternoon. And yes, my exhaust exits out the sides of my truck and I know his ears were ringing when I went past screaming about 4500rpms..I hope they are still ringing. i hope he peed a little, and that he had a 3 mile ride back home soaking in his own piss.

The road he turned off of is wide, open..straight and virtually traffic free..he had to turn off of it to get onto the semi-busy narrow road this all happened on.

One day, one of these dickheads is going to get run over, dragged, and discarded into the gutter..a cager is going to go to jail, and it will be all out war on the bikepansies.

[C5Nate]

Sarasota County Sheriff's Office - Bicycle Safety (http://www.sarasotasheriff.org/template_s_1view.asp?Code=Public_Interest__Bicycle_Safety)


Bicycle Regulations (Florida State Statute Section 316.2065)

A bicyclist must obey all traffic controls and signals.
A bicyclist must use a fixed, regular seat for riding.
No bicycle may be used to carry more persons at one time than the number for which it is designed or equipped.
At least one hand must be kept on the handlebars while riding.
Parents and guardians must not knowingly allow a child to violate any provisions of this section.
Every bicycle must be equipped with a brake or brakes which allow the rider to stop within 25 feet from a speed of 10 miles per hour on dry, level, clean pavement.
Bicycles must be equipped with a white light in the front and red light in the rear (both can be fixed or flashing).
A bicycle rider or passenger under 16 years of age must wear a bicycle helmet that is properly fitted, fastened securely, and meets a nationally recognized standard.
When a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely, the cyclist is entitled to the use of the entire lane. Within this lane, the cyclist usually rides on the right half to facilitate visibility for overtaking motorists, but should ride far enough left to discourage motorists from trying to squeeze past within the lane.

If there is no shoulder or bicycle lane and the traffic lane is narrow, ride closer to the center of the lane. This will prevent motorists from passing you when there is not enough room. You should also use the traffic lane when you are traveling at the same speed as the traffic around you. This will keep you out of motorists’ blind spots and reduce conflicts with right-turning traffic.

A cyclist going straight through an intersection in a lane that serves thru traffic and right turns should ride in the center or left half of the lane to avoid common collisions. Cyclists should never ride straight in a lane marked exclusively for right turns, i.e., one marked or signed with the word "ONLY."

Motorists Passing Bicyclists

Be patient when passing a bicyclist. Slow down and pass only when it is safe. Do not squeeze the bicyclist off the road. If road conditions and space permit, allow clearance of at least three feet when passing a bicyclist.

Motorists must look carefully for bicyclists before turning right, merging into bicycle lanes and opening doors next to moving traffic. Respect the right-of-way of bicyclist because they are entitled to share the road with you.

Safety Reminders

When riding on sidewalks or in crosswalks, a bicyclist has the same rights and duties as a pedestrian. A bicyclist riding on sidewalks or in crosswalks must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and must give an audible signal before passing.

A bicyclist may not wear a headset, headphone, or other listening device other than a hearing aid when riding. Wearing a headset blocks out important audio clues needed to detect the presence of other traffic.

[Sea Six]

I pay good money to the state every year for the right to drive my trucks on the road, this money goes to maintaining the road systems. Until such a time that those lycra sucking knob gobbling wannabes have to pay 75 dollars a year for a tag, and 200 dollars to actually get the tag..as well as maintain insurance on their vehicle, and can maintain the flow of traffic...they have no business riding down the center of my lane.

This road is narrow, there is no defined shoulder...it is NOT the place to be riding a bike at 5pm on Friday afternoon. And yes, my exhaust exits out the sides of my truck and I know his ears were ringing when I went past screaming about 4500rpms..I hope they are still ringing. i hope he peed a little, and that he had a 3 mile ride back home soaking in his own piss.

The road he turned off of is wide, open..straight and virtually traffic free..he had to turn off of it to get onto the semi-busy narrow road this all happened on.

One day, one of these dickheads is going to get run over, dragged, and discarded into the gutter..a cager is going to go to jail, and it will be all out war on the bikepansies.

This is the way we all feel about left lane bandits.

Ironic, isn't it?

[RED-85-Z51]

In Florida the bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle.
Bicyclists have the same rights to the roadways and must obey the same traffic laws as the operators of other vehicles.

These laws include stopping for stop signs and red lights, riding with the flow of traffic, using lights at night and yielding the right-of-way when entering a roadway.

Well, he had no lights, and did not slow or stop for a stop sign, nor did he yeild the right of way for a vehicle already stopped at the intersection.

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When a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely, the cyclist is entitled to the use of the entire lane. Within this lane, the cyclist usually rides on the right half to facilitate visibility for overtaking motorists, but should ride far enough left to discourage motorists from trying to squeeze past within the lane.

Squeezing past in the lane wasnt an option, he was dead nuts centered in thel ane doing about 8...just casually gaying along.

If there is no shoulder or bicycle lane and the traffic lane is narrow, ride closer to the center of the lane. This will prevent motorists from passing you when there is not enough room. You should also use the traffic lane when you are traveling at the same speed as the traffic around you. This will keep you out of motorists’ blind spots and reduce conflicts with right-turning traffic.

No...it will not, it will make motorists pass even closer and with more risk and speed..let it be known that when it comes to 30lb bike vs 6000lb truck...the truck is probably going to win out, true..will probably go to jail, but...

[RED-85-Z51]

This is the way we all feel about left lane bandits.

Ironic, isn't it?

You were aware I was trolling in epic fashion in that thread..right?

[HOWSER]

Fat people problems. :lol:

[NavyC5]

Why do cars "have the right of way"?

Did you really just ask why cars have the right of way on a road?:slap:

[Broken Wind]

Did you really just ask why cars have the right of way on a road?:slap:

No, I think he meant is that what the law says?

[Sea Six]

You were aware I was trolling in epic fashion in that thread..right?

Officially?

Yes. :seasix:

[vetteman9368]

Did you really just ask why cars have the right of way on a road?:slap:

No matter what is written in statute, the laws of physics are on the side of car every time

[NavyC5]

No matter what is written in statute, the laws of physics are on the side of car every time

Very true. I have no problem with sharing the road, the inbred ass-clowns that roll around thinking they have more rights to the roads than the cars are the ones that need to be run over

[Rotorhead]

Trucks or cyclist?

"all" is pretty much clear cut.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

It pisses me off to no end when I see bicycles completely ignoring traffic laws. But playing fuk-fuk with them in your 3500# automobile make's you an epic douchepail.

[RED-85-Z51]

It pisses me off to no end when I see bicycles completely ignoring traffic laws. But playing fuk-fuk with them in your 3500# automobile make's you an epic douchepail.

I think it comes down to respect. when i see someone pedaling along, obeying the law and making an effort to not be in the way of traffic...I respect them and hang back a little until such a time as they can gtfo of the way, or I can cleanly scoot around them.

But when I see an asshat blow through a stop sign, cut off traffic in doing so, then casually cruise at about 8mph down a road thats very difficult to pass on...I just cant have any respect for them, i tried, i just cannot.

Same with motorcyclists. I dont mind em 99% of the time, and I give them a wide berth to deal with most of the time, but when I see one trying to zip through traffic, ride down the shoulder at a stop light, or come up between traffic on a 4 lane road....Nah, **** em, if they end up getting clipped, oh well.

[Hoog]

Very true. I have no problem with sharing the road, the inbred ass-clowns that roll around thinking they have more rights to the roads than the cars are the ones that need to be run over
Kinda like not yielding to pedestrians in the crosswalk makes you a douche bag. Walking out in front of a car because "they have to stop" makes you a world class dumb ass...and a douche bag.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I just cant have any respect for them, i tried, i just cannot.
I don't respect them either. But I'd never fuk with them. Ever.

[6spdC6]

Been up to Lake George many times, never ran into issues with cyclist.

I do not live on George, I live on the Sacandaga. Remember I said live not visit, I have seen plenty.

They even had a major bike endurance type race up on the lake a few years till enough of those people got hurt bad and a couple died. They were running stop signs, in the middle of the road and a bunch of other dumb/illegal things.

They even had one idiot that was being followed around buy a car with Blues Brothers type sound system on the roof to keep him awake at night. Problem was that inconsiderate idiot also woke up everybody along the route, it was very loud. (This is a crowed lake and they bothered plenty )I finally had enough and pulled (forced) the offending noise vehicle over at 2.30 in the morning.

If the cops did not arrive a couple minutes after I did a couple people in the car would have needed a dental surgeon. Cops shut down the noisy wagon I was given a warning.(many people called the cops I found out) They raced one more year(no noise wagon) and us local people had enough of the bikes bullshit and the race was told their done.

But we still get plenty of riders up here, just no organized races!

[kylebuck]

When I lived at home with my parents, I had to be at work for 730 one morning about 35 miles away. Where we live , it has only one road to town as its built on the bottom of the leeve and is lake front. This particular morning they decided to have an organized bike race, I was livid, that stupid shit made me late to work by 15 mins

[ApexOversteer]

So Red hates cyclists, right up until he's in the left lane of a highway, when he becomes the slow f*cker that doesn't belong there and won't move over...

[ApexOversteer]

You were aware I was trolling in epic fashion in that thread..right?

That is the thing about trolling. Nobody cares if you were, it's more fun to just think you're that much of an azzhat.

[snide]

Believe me, I understand where you are coming from. I run on the road all the time and I'm constantly watching for traffic. But the bottom line is, on a road, cars have the right of way. Giving you a little room is a courtesy but you are putting yourself in the position and it should not be expected that they make room for you.

What I have a problem with is running/cyclist that feel they have the right of way. I almost ran over a guy the other day as I was backing out of my parking spot on base. I started to move and he ran right behind my car. If I hadn't been paying attention, it wouldn't have ended well for him. What really pissed me off is when he turned and yelled at me to watch out. So I got out of the car and had a little conversation with him. He started out being an asshole but changed his tune real fast when I pointed out that I'm good friends with his First Sergeant, Chief and Commander. Funny how that works.

You don't have the right of way when you're backing out of your parking spot. :slap:

[6spdC6]

You don't have the right of way when you're backing out of your parking spot. :slap:

Question was the bike going the wrong way in a marked travel lot. Not saying its right but many people would only look in the NORMAL direction of travel. If so that was two peoples wrongs.

He on the bike gets hit no matter who is at fault he will be the one hurting. For what I see many/most bikes do not give a shit about normal traffic laws when biking. (Though by law in my area they are required to follow V&T laws)

[NavyC5]

You don't have the right of way when you're backing out of your parking spot. :slap:

Actually I do. My parking spot is connected directly to the street.

And that reminds me, when did pedestrians get the right of way walking around parking lots? I remember back in the day, if you were walking in a parking lot you had to watch out for cars. Now people walk around like they own the place.

[ft laud mike]

Come up to the large lake I live on in a nice summer weekend and you will see why a lot of those urinal headed spandex clad idiots are hated. Yes they have been a few killed and seriously damaged. About 90% of the time the Leos find they that were acting recklessly. Funny it’s not the solitary riders but the ones that travel with many others that phuckup! Biker vs. cagier no matter who is at fault the biker is the one hurt!


No I do not drive a diesel.

:rofl:

[RED-85-Z51]

So basically you act like a boss when you feel that you're being "disrespected" by someone on a bike? :rolleyes:



yes..

http://fakeplus.com/pictures/jpg/-driving-like-a-boss_20120407161603.jpg

[erickpl]

I pay good money to the state every year for the right to drive my trucks on the road, this money goes to maintaining the road systems. Until such a time that those lycra sucking knob gobbling wannabes have to pay 75 dollars a year for a tag, and 200 dollars to actually get the tag..as well as maintain insurance on their vehicle, and can maintain the flow of traffic...they have no business riding down the center of my lane.

This road is narrow, there is no defined shoulder...it is NOT the place to be riding a bike at 5pm on Friday afternoon. And yes, my exhaust exits out the sides of my truck and I know his ears were ringing when I went past screaming about 4500rpms..I hope they are still ringing. i hope he peed a little, and that he had a 3 mile ride back home soaking in his own piss.

The road he turned off of is wide, open..straight and virtually traffic free..he had to turn off of it to get onto the semi-busy narrow road this all happened on.

One day, one of these dickheads is going to get run over, dragged, and discarded into the gutter..a cager is going to go to jail, and it will be all out war on the bikepansies.

If you would bother to use your brain for a few, you would realize that most (not all, but MOST) bike riders DO pay taxes for tags and such. They, for the most part, like me, own multiple, so they ARE paying. Your assumption makes you look stupid.

I am a bike rider too, though fairly new to it. I've ridden alone, with my wife, and with a group. We ALWAYS ride single file unless passing. ALWAYS. We will ride towards the shoulder as much as possible, but realize narrow tires may have a harder time if they go into the shoulder (drops, deep gravel, debris left there by asshats in cars throwing shit out, etc). So going onto the shoulder may just be a quick correction for a car, but disaster for a biker, depending on the situation. So I try to stay 2 to 3' off the shoulder most of the time. When cars approach I will move over if safe to do so. If the shoulder is paved and clear, I use it. The ONLY time I get into the middle of the lane to prevent a pass is when a blind curve is coming up. If you have to pass me on a blind curve, find an oncoming car coming, you'll move over into me. I don't want to pay for your stupidity. When I run, I always go against traffic, just like Whitepower said he does. If there is no shoulder, I run on the road, but I DO move when a car is coming. I make no pretense that I'd be squished like a bug if I got into the oncoming car's path. Physics is a bitch.

If communities actually designed roads that allowed for bicycle lanes and riding without getting in the way of people like you, I'd be ecstatic. However, most municipalities go as cheap as possible and won't pay for any extra width for a bike lane or nice paved shoulder.

You have the point of view that it is all about you. Unfortunately for you, the world isn't about just you. There are others who use those roads too.

And not all bike riders are assholes. Yeah, there are quite a few. The group my wife and I ride with has bike/biker and vehicle safety number 1. By law, we are allowed to use the roads since a bike is technically a vehicle, but we still ride defensively to avoid people like you and avoid having to bury a friend or family member.

Red, with your attitude, I suspect there are few things that make you happy. Bitterness will kill ya.

[RED-85-Z51]

If you would bother to use your brain for a few, you would realize that most (not all, but MOST) bike riders DO pay taxes for tags and such. They, for the most part, like me, own multiple, so they ARE paying. Your assumption makes you look stupid.

I am a bike rider too, though fairly new to it. I've ridden alone, with my wife, and with a group. We ALWAYS ride single file unless passing. ALWAYS. We will ride towards the shoulder as much as possible, but realize narrow tires may have a harder time if they go into the shoulder (drops, deep gravel, debris left there by asshats in cars throwing shit out, etc). So going onto the shoulder may just be a quick correction for a car, but disaster for a biker, depending on the situation. So I try to stay 2 to 3' off the shoulder most of the time. When cars approach I will move over if safe to do so. If the shoulder is paved and clear, I use it. The ONLY time I get into the middle of the lane to prevent a pass is when a blind curve is coming up. If you have to pass me on a blind curve, find an oncoming car coming, you'll move over into me. I don't want to pay for your stupidity. When I run, I always go against traffic, just like Whitepower said he does. If there is no shoulder, I run on the road, but I DO move when a car is coming. I make no pretense that I'd be squished like a bug if I got into the oncoming car's path. Physics is a bitch.

If communities actually designed roads that allowed for bicycle lanes and riding without getting in the way of people like you, I'd be ecstatic. However, most municipalities go as cheap as possible and won't pay for any extra width for a bike lane or nice paved shoulder.

You have the point of view that it is all about you. Unfortunately for you, the world isn't about just you. There are others who use those roads too.

And not all bike riders are assholes. Yeah, there are quite a few. The group my wife and I ride with has bike/biker and vehicle safety number 1. By law, we are allowed to use the roads since a bike is technically a vehicle, but we still ride defensively to avoid people like you and avoid having to bury a friend or family member.

Red, with your attitude, I suspect there are few things that make you happy. Bitterness will kill ya.

I have yet to see any of the bikes in this area that are tagged, or even have lights/flashers installed. And trust me...ive been all up in the back tire of more than a few, so Ive gotten a good solid look for tags or proof of registration.

The groups around here, prefer to ride the busy roads, the narrowest roads, and the roads ith blind curves, they ride 2 and 3 wide, 5-10 deep, in a cluster, with someone on the shoulder, and someoen straddling the centerline. They do not respond to horns or tailgating...but some train horns do get a rise out of em. They dont care that there are 10-15 cars/trucks behind them unable to get around// they basically force you to either sit back and wait on them..or to make a quick and dangerous pass.

This is over 6000lbs of truck..unloaded, its almost as wide as the road, if i were on a bike, id want to make for damn sure that it, and I..never crossed paths.

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[erickpl]

Bikes don't need tags, but if the owners own a car, they're already paying for taxes for road use. And a bike will do a LOT less damage to a road than trucks like you posted, unless it is one fat bastard riding that bike.

[RED-85-Z51]

Bikes don't need tags, but if the owners own a car, they're already paying for taxes for road use. And a bike will do a LOT less damage to a road than trucks like you posted, unless it is one fat bastard riding that bike.

And there are roads, and tax paid parks with dedicated bike paths and "tracks"...designed for safe passage of bikes...a few of which are within walking distance of where these douchebags like to block off traffic.

[RED-85-Z51]

Go jerk off and stop bitching about things you're clearly clueless about. :rofl:

Actually, im pretty well informed on this. there are a number of roads with broad paved shoulders, bike paths...and a park with a large paved track, all within a minute of where these people ride...there is even a large, appriximately 1 mile "loop" on the road this guy turnedd off of when he cut me off and blew the stop sign doing it...that is perfect for riding, I used to ride my race karts down there..perfectly smooth, perfect road, no traffic at all.

[RED-85-Z51]

No, no you're not. You're generalizing all cyclists as assholes and douchebags. :slap:


You, however, are an asshole around cyclists.

No that would be discrimination, Im an asshole all the time...lets just be honest here.

The Cyclists in question, and more specifically the single asshole douchbag knob goobler who i had to pass the other day...are assholes.

[vtelvr]

Why is this thread still open? We have distinguished that Red hates anything on the road that may impede him. This is a small/close minded approach to the subject, and you guys WON'T persuade him otherwise.

[NavyC5]

Why is this thread still open? We have distinguished that Red hates anything on the road that may impede him. This is a small/close minded approach to the subject, and you guys WON'T persuade him otherwise.

So the dozens of threads about people hating left lane bandits(a small group of drivers) are ok because we all hate those people, but a person pointing out stupid behavior by some(another small group) is closed minded?

Got it :seasix:

[vtelvr]

So the dozens of threads about people hating left lane bandits(a small group of drivers) are ok because we all hate those people, but a person pointing out stupid behavior by some(another small group) is closed minded?

Got it :seasix:

The fact is, he sounds like someone who would INTENIONALLY run these folks off the road because HE doesn't think they should be there. As much as a left lane bandit does to piss people off, I would never run them off the road, or intentionally put them, myself, or other motorists in danger. I just wait for my gap and overtake them when it's {safe} to do so. Just as I would a respectful cyclist. Not to say that I endanger groups of them breaking the laws, but I do express my disdain with them by letting them huff my exhaust fumes and leave their ears ringing with the exhaust, whilst taking my position back in front of them.

[RED-85-Z51]

The fact is, he sounds like someone who would INTENIONALLY run these folks off the road because HE doesn't think they should be there. As much as a left lane bandit does to piss people off, I would never run them off the road, or intentionally put them, myself, or other motorists in danger. I just wait for my gap and overtake them when it's {safe} to do so. Just as I would a respectful cyclist. Not to say that I endanger groups of them breaking the laws, but I do express my disdain with them by letting them huff my exhaust fumes and leave their ears ringing with the exhaust, whilst taking my position back in front of them.

So you find joy in passing them in such a way as to damage their hearing and potentially poison them with fumes?

Yes...YES...let your anger flow through you, release it, run them over...

COME TO THE DARK SIDE..it is YOUR DESTINY!!!!

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[vtelvr]

So you find joy in passing them in such a way as to damage their hearing and potentially poison them with fumes?

Yes...YES...let your anger flow through you, release it, run them over...

COME TO THE DARK SIDE..it is YOUR DESTINY!!!!

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No, no, you misunderstood. Neither instances that I described "hurt" them...or at least not over the long run. You run them off the road causing physical injury. Which causes them not only the physical side, but could be detrimental to their employment, family life, or even turn them into a vegetable. Is that what you want?? To take someone's life away from them by being an all out, grade A dick?

[RED-85-Z51]

No, no, you misunderstood. Neither instances that I described "hurt" them...or at least not over the long run. You run them off the road causing physical injury. Which causes them not only the physical side, but could be detrimental to their employment, family life, or even turn them into a vegetable. Is that what you want?? To take someone's life away from them by being an all out, grade A dick?

So short term hurt is okay, as long as no one gets maimed or incapacitated...its..okay, to do whatever you want?

And who said I ran them off the road? im not giving them a wide berth, but im not running them off the road. i pulled out and passed the guy, a speeding truck rounded the next corner and i had to floor it to clear his dumb ass in time.

On a good note, my truck is running great now, i had a little stumble at idle, but now its running like new, must have been some carbon or something, that got knocked loose.

[...Whitepower...]

And there are roads, and tax paid parks with dedicated bike paths and "tracks"...designed for safe passage of bikes...a few of which are within walking distance of where these douchebags like to block off traffic.


I don't get that logic..

My dad is 64 and lives .3 miles from a walking track that is .25 miles a lap. He would drive there walk 12 laps and drive home 5 days a week. Last summer I finally got him to walk to the .3 miles there, walk 10 laps instead of 12 and walk back

[RED-85-Z51]

I don't get that logic..

My dad is 64 and lives .3 miles from a walking track that is .25 miles a lap. He would drive there walk 12 laps and drive home 5 days a week. Last summer I finally got him to walk to the .3 miles there, walk 10 laps instead of 12 and walk back

decent gas savings there, plus in that time the engine never warms up, so he was likely accumulating moisture in the oil!

[...Whitepower...]

decent gas savings there, plus in that time the engine never warms up, so he was likely accumulating moisture in the oil!

You missed what i was trying to get at, but that's my fault as i wasn't clear..

You were annoyed by the people that ride in close proximity to the biking paths and tracks. How do you know if they are not doing something similar to what my old man does. Riding to the track or path and then riding home? See what i'm saying. If those resources are there of course you are naturally going to have a larger volume of bike riders in the area.

And there are roads, and tax paid parks with dedicated bike paths and "tracks"...designed for safe passage of bikes...a few of which are within walking distance of where these douchebags like to block off traffic.

[Mike Mercury]

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[fartleker]

I'm off to do 20 minutes of VO2 max intervals on the bike right now. Have fun getting fat(ter)!

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[RED-85-Z51]

You missed what i was trying to get at, but that's my fault as i wasn't clear..

You were annoyed by the people that ride in close proximity to the biking paths and tracks. How do you know if they are not doing something similar to what my old man does. Riding to the track or path and then riding home? See what i'm saying. If those resources are there of course you are naturally going to have a larger volume of bike riders in the area.

In general they are never coming from the direction or going in the direction of the public park, with the paved track.

[RED-85-Z51]

I'm off to do 20 minutes of VO2 max intervals on the bike right now. Have fun getting fat(ter)!

:seeya:

im off to go drive on the roads..have fun getting flat(ter)....:seasix:

[Madmikeee]

:iagree:

Gives a bad name to other diesel owners and why the general population will show nothing but disdain for us.

I don't ride as often as I used to but I can guarantee you that there are far more asshole drivers out there then there are asshole riders.

I could argue that point. but lets be honest, it's an equal amount of assholes on both sides. And remember, this thread isn't talking about MOTORCYCLES but Bicycles. My favorites are the ones riding on the WRONG side of the road around blind corners then get pissed off when I almost take them out. Or the ones riding 2-3-4 abreast across the road, not using the cycle lane that is clearly marked for them, Swerving to avoid a little spot of sand without looking to make sure they aren't about to swerve into my POS 4000lb minivan travelling at 40MPH. Oh another of my favorites, the ones that make sure to stay just far enough over from the shoulder of the road to impede traffic flow. They stay over just enough to cause that lane of traffic to have to slow down because they can't pass them safely without crossing into the oncoming lane.

Cyclists think they have the run of the road, usually they only learn that they don't until AFTER they get hit.

[erickpl]

I only go more to the middle of the lane and impede traffic near a blind curve. I don't want a car trying to pass me with an oncoming vehicle. They'd likely come back to the lane and force me off the road. When riding in a group, the lead bike will signal when it is clear and we send that signal back to the vehicles and move back over to the side to make passing easier.

In that case, it IS a no passing zone and they can and should wait. If it is a bike going 20 mph or a car going 20 mph, passing in that situation is bad.

Otherwise I'm over to the shoulder as far as possible or preferably in a bike lane or paved shoulder. But the idiots around here put the roads in with no shoulder and a 3-4' dropoff for drainage ditches. NO room for error. At least near my house. I'll take my bike to the local business park and ride on weekends when traffic is near zero. Or I'll take my bike down to an area near work with no traffic and ride there. My Avalanche makes a great transport for bikes, gear, drinks, and snacks. :)