So how do you feel about ex convicts?

[island14]

Do you think that they did their time and deserve another chance for their mistake?

One of my neighbors brother recently got out of prison after doing 12 years, and is now living next door.

My friends all tell me that he was just at the wrong place, wrong time, and things just went bad, and say he is an OK guy.

He seems friendly enough...

I say give him a chance. :island14:

[Mike Mercury]

So how do you feel about ex convicts?


"Trust, but verify"





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[Stangkiller]

Do you think that they did their time and deserve another chance for their mistake?

One of my neighbors brother recently got out of prison after doing 12 years, and is now living next door.

My friends all tell me that he was just at the wrong place, wrong time, and things just went bad, and say he is an OK guy.

He seems friendly enough...

I say give him a chance. :island14:

I might be ok with that...but I wouldn't do so with my wife and kids around.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I worked with an IW on permit with the Steamfitters who had killed a guy during a robbery. Hardcore guy, but he paid his debt and was a good guy. I'd hire him in an instant.

[Iron Chef]

Case by case basis.

[Hoog]

12 years in the hole HAS to change a guy. Do your friends really know him now?

[Doug28450]

A fellow my father knew discovered that his wife was having an affair. One day he loaded his pistol, drove to the auto dealer where he worked and shot the man. After he shot him, he put the pistol down on a desk, walked to the other side of the showroom, sat down and waited for the police to show. Eventually, after working through the justice system he was convicted and served his time. He was released and the last I knew was back as productive member of society.

[island14]

"Trust, but verify"


:iagree:

I might be ok with that...but I wouldn't do so with my wife and kids around.

If he had committed a sex crime I would not be comfortable at all.

I worked with an IW on permit with the Steamfitters who had killed a guy during a robbery. Hardcore guy, but he paid his debt and was a good guy. I'd hire him in an instant.

Case by case basis.

I am slow to judge people, but care more about where someone is going than where they have been.. :yesnod:


12 years in the hole HAS to change a guy. Do your friends really know him now?

He has been out about a month now, and does not seem hard core or bitter..

He does not drink, or won't anyway at this time, I have asked him to join us.. always friendly with a smile.

[island14]

A fellow my father knew discovered that his wife was having an affair. One day he loaded his pistol, drove to the auto dealer where he worked and shot the man. After he shot him, he put the pistol down on a desk, walked to the other side of the showroom, sat down and waited for the police to show. Eventually, after working through the justice system he was convicted and served his time. He was released and the last I knew was back as productive member of society.


I'm not really sure the story on this guy, or know what happened, but he did kill a guy.

From what little I know it was a fight that ended up bad.

[Doug28450]

There is a fellow who lives around the corner and down the street from us. I know he spent some time in prison and I think it was for killing someone. Now he lives by himself in a house he owns and runs an electrician business. He's quiet, don't see him out much and when he is, he doesn't say much more than "hello". He seems okay.

[Yerf Dog]

"Trust, but verify"

If you have to verify, you're not trusting. I hate that phrase. :nono:

[Chuck A]

watch him closely, as for me the burglars who robbed my house, were put away and then robbed again, so some can and some should go to HELL
Very not trusting indeed

[Kerrmudgeon]

A fellow my father knew discovered that his wife was having an affair. One day he loaded his pistol, drove to the auto dealer where he worked and shot the man. After he shot him, he put the pistol down on a desk, walked to the other side of the showroom, sat down and waited for the police to show. Eventually, after working through the justice system he was convicted and served his time. He was released and the last I knew was back as productive member of society.

He shot the wrong person. A man will do what men do, with a willing partner. Takes two to tango.:yesnod:

[Bill]

He shot the wrong person. A man will do what men do, with a willing partner. Takes two to tango.:yesnod:

I thought the same thing. The cheating wife is the one that had it coming.

We had a case here in Houston where a lady dentist ran over her dentist husband 3 times after catching him cheating yet again with the office manager. She got 10 years. Had I been on the jury she would have gone home immediately.

[Knooger]

One option other than murder for a cheating spouse, is divorce. But hey, that's just my thought on the topic. :leaving:

[Bill]

One option other than murder for a cheating spouse, is divorce. But hey, that's just my thought on the topic. :leaving:

That would be acceptable as well.

[Doug28450]

He shot the wrong person. A man will do what men do, with a willing partner. Takes two to tango.:yesnod:

I thought the same thing. The cheating wife is the one that had it coming.

We had a case here in Houston where a lady dentist ran over her dentist husband 3 times after catching him cheating yet again with the office manager. She got 10 years. Had I been on the jury she would have gone home immediately.

How did the two of you get such detailed information about the people and the circumstances on a case that happened, perhaps, forty years ago to be able to make this judgement?

[Kerrmudgeon]

Trust no one, the truth is out there.:ohnoes:

[Mike Mercury]

If you have to verify, you're not trusting. I hate that phrase. :nono:

I love that phrase; because this is exactly what it was trying to convey to the libtard peace-nics: you can't trust... so better verify as well (so as not to be a fool).




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[RED-85-Z51]

My thoughts on it are...if they were absolutely at fault, and there was proof, such as DNA, video, pictures, 3 eye witnesses...then they did it, and there is a 9/10 chance that they will do it again after they get out. now...that can be assault, murder, theft, larceny, etc...

Guy down the road went to prison for grand theft, he was in for a few years...got out, moved in with is parents...and not 2 weeks later, peoples cars started getting broken into, property vandalized...finally after about a month he got caught, he did it all, and is now back in prison for violating his parole, and more time added on top.

I went to night school with a convicted and paroled arsonist who was in for about 5 years and was on 2 years monitored probation, he joked about how he had figured out way to burn shit and not get caught. Last I heard he was caught fleeing a fully engulfed car...and was put back in. was years ago.

Would I hire an ex-con? Id give em a fair shake if they were up front and honest about the facts, and it wasnt a violent crime. Otherwise, you never truly...TRULY finish paying that debt.

[Norm]

I think very few are rehabilitated, as you can see by the recidivism rate. Folks with a violent past, tend to stay violent. Petty thieves, most will still steal. High collar crime, will go straight unless opportunity presents itself. Druggies? Don't have to elaborate there.

Stay friendly, don't get close, don't divulge things that would present a temptation to others. The "trust but verify"?, doesn't fly,.........just don't trust, of course, that's damn near with everything now.

[ft laud mike]

A fellow my father knew discovered that his wife was having an affair. One day he loaded his pistol, drove to the auto dealer where he worked and shot the man. After he shot him, he put the pistol down on a desk, walked to the other side of the showroom, sat down and waited for the police to show. Eventually, after working through the justice system he was convicted and served his time. He was released and the last I knew was back as productive member of society.
Should have shot the girl
One option other than murder for a cheating spouse, is divorce. But hey, that's just my thought on the topic. :leaving:

***** real men kill everything and everyone that slights them :leaving:

I work around convicted/ nonconvicted felons (have for almost 20 years now)
my .02
1- most are fine, until they decide they don't want to do something or you wont do something for them. I have seen people go from joking, smiling and laughing to full on attempting to kill me simply because they didn't get their way.
2- there are a small % that are either guilty but still "normal" or wrongly convicted
3- I have seen quite a few on the streets after their release...they were almost always pleasant (excepting five incidents I can recall), but more than likely it was because they assumed I was armed (they were correct)
4- So, no I would not trust them
YMMV :cert:

[C5SilverBullet]

Case by case basis.

:iagree:

[Bill]

Case by case basis.

:iagree:


Was someone busted for drugs? Ever toked a bit in high school? The only difference between you and the guy doing time for drugs is that guy got caught. Bush and Obama both admit to drug use. They didn't get caught and get saddled with a criminal conviction.....end of difference.

DWI? People go to jail for that.....doesn't mean they are bad people, it means they have a drinking problem.

Assault or murder? Perhaps their crime was heat of passion, like the dentist that ran over her cheating dentist husband with the Mercedes. That lady isn't likely to reoffend.

Of course, these are probably the exceptions, rather then the rule. Thus, Chef is right.....case by case basis.

[Jeff '79]

I wouldn't trust them for shit, and would always be looking over my shoulder.
That's just me though.
I have a better selection to choose from, so why subject myself to that?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I guess it really depends on how hot she is.

[69camfrk]

It depends on what they did. I have a friend/neighbor that was busted when he was younger for drugs, did his time, learned a lesson, and life moves on. I trust him with everything I have. Not a better guy on the planet. On the other hand, if the ex con is a pedophile child molestor type, I don't want you on the same planet as me. Those freaks are never reformed regardless of what anyone says.

[Jeff '79]

It depends on what they did. I have a friend/neighbor that was busted when he was younger for drugs, did his time, learned a lesson, and life moves on. I trust him with everything I have. Not a better guy on the planet. On the other hand, if the ex con is a pedophile child molestor type, I don't want you on the same planet as me. Those freaks are never reformed regardless of what anyone says.

:iagree: Or if they killed someone....That's fk'd up, unless it was self defense. I could never trust someone that did that either.

[mrvette]

Some of you all maybe have read posts about my background in the past......

so here we go yet again.....I had a job a field tech and engineering aide for a smaller company of some 60 people.....we did walk through metal detectors....we called a later development in the tech, the New York Bullet Machines.....

we could ring down an inmate to the fillings in his teeth, and a level of signal on a LED display.....

SO I was inside the places like ATTICA, where .gov Rocky had the cops shoot the bastards off the walls, and retake the joint....

add a LONG list of other prisons.....


take them ALL outside and kill them, one shot, honestly, to this day I would do it myself, line them up, I do the shot, and kick into the trench.....all you all got NO idea WTF I saw......so don't condemn ME for my thoughts/solution......time to quit wasting public money on bullshit support for their existence.......


:issues::issues:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Anyone remember the movie "Thief" with James Caan? It was based on a true story. The guy I worked with was a fringe member of that group.

In the middle of a robbery, a guard happened upon them. He hit the guy with the butt of his gun and the guy died.

He was a pretty quiet dude. I was partnered up with him at an oil refinery job for almost a year. We didn't talk much for a long time. When he finally decided I was OK, he slowly opened up. Boy he had some stories.

He was a tough man and had that quiet authority to him. You just KNEW if you got sideways with him it was gonna end badly. For you.

[69camfrk]

:iagree: Or if they killed someone....That's fk'd up, unless it was self defense. I could never trust someone that did that either.

I should've thrown thieves and rapists in there too. Once a thief or rapist...always that way. Yeah, a murderer is someone I wouldn't trust either. I am of the belief that all thieves should be shot in the face too.

[Jeff '79]

I should've thrown thiefs and rapists in there too. Once a thief or rapist...always that way. Yeah, a murderer is someone I wouldn't trust either. I am of the belief that all thieves should be shot in the face too.

That's a tad harsh... Maybe just cleave their fingers off.....:yesnod:

[Chuck A]

if the 3 thieves were in my house and i was packing i guess i would be a criminal, i hope they receive what they deserve and someone destroys their lives
very hateful indeed
my 2 sons still keep asking about their money and my middle son is showing fear ,he may need counseling

[Torqaholic]

They're potentially hazardous so I treat them as I do everyone else :D

[Jeff '79]

if the 3 thieves were in my house and i was packing i guess i would be a criminal, i hope they receive what they deserve and someone destroys their lives
very hateful indeed
my 2 sons still keep asking about their money and my middle son is showing fear ,he may need counseling

That really sux. This will scar them for life. Counseling is prolly a good idea, but a good sit down with him will prolly work a lot better for them . Be blunt with them, and just get your feelings out on the table. Tell him that this was just a random, one in a million occurrence, and he shouldn't be afraid. It wasn't aimed at him personally, but at things that can be replaced. Money and things are one thing, but you still have each other for life...
If you can't plan a coherent, well thought out dissertation for him, then a counselor is definitely in order. You can do it though. The sooner that this gets put behind everyone, the better for all.:sadangel:

[Chuck A]

That really sux. This will scar them for life. Counseling is prolly a good idea, but a good sit down with him will prolly work a lot better for them . Be blunt with them, and just get your feelings out on the table. Tell him that this was just a random, one in a million occurrence, and he shouldn't be afraid. It wasn't aimed at him personally, but at things that can be replaced. Money and things are one thing, but you still have each other for life...
If you can't plan a coherent, well thought out dissertation for him, then a counselor is definitely in order. You can do it though. The sooner that this gets put behind everyone, the better for all.:sadangel:

thanks but what is really annoying that 2 of them were my sons age

[Jeff '79]

thanks but what is really annoying that 2 of them were my sons age

Maybe a couple of family counciling sessions would do all of you good then. You seem to be taking this really hard, and rightly so....Being violated stays with you for a while....Getting it out on the table with everyone is the key to healing...
I was a sociology/business major in college.... That's what the books said.

[Aerovette]

Half of me belives prison is a college for turning out better criminals and half of me believes sometimes shit happens...and it only happens once.

I would not want to have to decide this guy's fate.