“The Child Who Was Never Born”... [Archive]

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 5:14pm

This sculpture named ”Memorial to an unborn child” is the work of a young slovak named Martin Hudaceka. Martin was encouraged by a friend to create the piece. The sculpture was erected in Slovakia last year.

http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww22/lspencer534/The-Child-Who-was-Never-Born-570x380_zps76285033.jpg

Beautiful, isn't it?

Sea Six

03-05-2013, 5:22pm

Yes, it is a very beautiful piece.

But... Is there a shallower meaning to the work?

'Cause I'm getting that vibe. :eek:

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 5:28pm

Yes, it is a very beautiful piece.

But... Is there a shallower meaning to the work?

'Cause I'm getting that vibe. :eek:

It was commissioned by a group of women in Slovokia to sympathize with women who lost a child through miscarriage, infant death, and yes, abortion. This thread is not meant to comment on abortion.

Sea Six

03-05-2013, 5:29pm

It was commissioned by a group of women in Slovokia to sympathize with women who lost a child through miscarriage, infant death, and yes, abortion. This thread is not meant to comment on abortion.

Ok.

And I wasn't going there.

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 5:40pm

Ok.

And I wasn't going there.

Sorry, I mis-intrepreted your remarks. I thought the sculpture was touching; my first thought was of a young woman who lost her child due to its sudden death or who was perhaps still-born.

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 5:42pm

This thread is not meant to comment on abortion.
To my eye, that's exactly what it is. The mother figure appears to be indicating shame by her body position and posture.

The child appears to be telling the mother "It's OK," yet the mother is still indicating a shameful pose.

I don't like it. Nothing personal Spence.

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 5:51pm

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 5:53pm

I'm pro-choice, Thomas.

So am I. But I still don't like the sculpture for the reasons I stated.

Skia

03-05-2013, 5:57pm

I'm pro-choice, Thomas.

So am I. But I still don't like the sculpture for the reasons I stated.

I'm kinda shocked that the 2 of you are. Especially you Thomas. :yesnod:

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 6:00pm

Especially you Thomas
How come H?

Skia

03-05-2013, 6:05pm

How come H?
I've just always seen you as being more conservative on subjects like this. :yesnod: Now Spence.....he's a lawyer so there is a 60/40 chance he's just lying. :yesnod:

As far as the sculpture The Mother looks more consumed with grief over the loss of a child rather than shame because of the loss.

Fastguy

03-05-2013, 6:11pm

This is what art is supposed to, create dialogue, interpretation, conversation, introspection. It can mean different things to different people.
Since the subject matter can't avoid the controversial topic of abortion, especially with the use of the word "unborn", it will have a wide variety of reactions.

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 6:12pm

I've just always seen you as being more conservative on subjects like this
Fair answer. :cert: As a lifelong Catholic, this doesn't exactly fit their agenda. :D There are time's I feel abortion is justified. Which isn't to say I support it 110% in all cases, if this makes any sense.

he's a lawyer so there is a 60/40 chance he's just lying
Factual answer. :rofl:

This is what art is supposed to, create dialogue, interpretation, conversation, introspection. It can mean different things to different people.
Since the subject matter can't avoid the controversial topic of abortion, especially with the use of the word "unborn", it will have a wide variety of reactions.
Agreed. This doesn't mean this is "Bad" simply because I don't like it. The sculpture has sad overtones to me. Therefore I don't care for it.

Skia

03-05-2013, 6:16pm

I was going to say "You being Catholic" but had my doubts and didn't. Didn't remember if you were Catholic or Lutheran. :leaving:

Fastguy

03-05-2013, 6:19pm

I was going to say "You being Catholic" but had my doubts and didn't. Didn't remember if you were Catholic or Lutheran. :leaving:

He used to be Lex Lutheran, then he got that sweet hair and they kicked him out.

Fastguy

03-05-2013, 6:23pm

Agreed. This doesn't mean this is "Bad" simply because I don't like it. The sculpture has sad overtones to me. Therefore I don't care for it.

True, not all art is there to make you feel good. My room mate in college purchased a print of "Guernica" and hung it on his wall which I found odd. He had it up for week and then took it down because it was so depressing.
Dave Navarro has a giant print of that VietCong guerilla being executed on his wall to remind him of how good his life is. I personally wouldn't want that pic anywhere in my home.

FasterTraffic

03-05-2013, 6:23pm

As far as the sculpture The Mother looks more consumed with grief over the loss of a child rather than shame because of the loss.

:iagree:

Dave Navarro has a giant print of that VietCong guerilla being executed on his wall to remind him of how good his life is. I personally wouldn't want that pic anywhere in my home.

I hope he at least cleaned off his wall.

Skia

03-05-2013, 6:25pm

True, not all art is there to make you feel good. My room mate in college purchased a print of "Guernica" and hung it on his wall which I found odd. He had it up for week and then took it down because it was so depressing.
Dave Navarro has a giant print of that VietCong guerilla being executed on his wall to remind him of how good his life is. I personally wouldn't want that pic anywhere in my home.

This one???

http://michaellarkin30days.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/photojournalism1.jpg

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 6:26pm

I've just always seen you as being more conservative on subjects like this. :yesnod: Now Spence.....he's a lawyer so there is a 60/40 chance he's just lying. :yesnod:

As far as the sculpture The Mother looks more consumed with grief over the loss of a child rather than shame because of the loss.

Make that 50/50 and I won't get insulted....:leaving:

Fastguy

03-05-2013, 6:28pm

Yes, the size of a wall. Not really the decor I would want in my home. Then again, I'm not a rock star.

BTW, this is Picasso's "Guernica"

http://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/guernica.jpg

MrPeabody

03-05-2013, 6:28pm

Make that 50/50 and I won't get insulted....:leaving:

He was probably thinking about your commission structure when he said 60/40.:D

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 6:29pm

He used to be Lex Lutheran, then he got that sweet hair and they kicked him out.
:rofl: :rofl:

This one???
I wouldn't hang that in an outhouse, but there's no denying the power in that shot.

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 6:33pm

He was probably thinking about your commission structure when he said 60/40.:D

Ahhh! Dayum...how did he know that!?!

63C2splitter

03-05-2013, 6:34pm

I like it.

Skia

03-05-2013, 6:35pm

Ahhh! Dayum...how did he know that!?!I smart like that. :yesnod:

BTW I've always been and will always be Pro choice. :yesnod:

FasterTraffic

03-05-2013, 6:38pm

I wouldn't hang that in an outhouse, but there's no denying the power in that shot.

I see what you did there.

C5SilverBullet

03-05-2013, 6:42pm

As far as the sculpture The Mother looks more consumed with grief over the loss of a child rather than shame because of the loss.

:iagree:

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 6:47pm

Skia

03-05-2013, 6:50pm

Knooger

03-05-2013, 6:50pm

I like it. But, I do think it is about abortion. Here is an article I found on the piece. LifeSiteNews Mobile | ‘Heart-rending’: Young Slovakian sculptor captures post-abortion pain, mercy and forgiveness (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/heart-rending-young-slovakian-sculptor-captures-post-abortion-pain-mercy-an/)

I'm going to guess the person that wrote that is using their interpretation rather than the artists. It's an anit-abortion website.

OddBall

03-05-2013, 6:51pm

...
As far as the sculpture The Mother looks more consumed with grief over the loss of a child rather than shame because of the loss.

:iagree: I like it. It's good art. Yeah it's sad, that's exactly what it's supposed to be.

I'm sure shame and guilt are in there too. As stated, it's supposed to evoke feelings and encourage thought and retrospection.

MrPeabody

03-05-2013, 6:53pm

If art is there to invoke mood, encourage thought and facilitate discussion, then this thread proves this sculpture is serving it's purpose.

My take was the subject matter was the grief a mother feels from the loss of a child. How the child was lost was secondary to me.

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 6:58pm

Skia, lemme try this. The current labels for the abortion debate are "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice." If I had to pic one, I go with "Pro-Choice" since "Pro-choice butonlyinsertaincasesotherwise Pro-Life" isn't available. :D

That pretty much sums up my belief, too. I used to be Pro-Life, but the political reality got too muddled...meaning there are too many people out there being born that you and I have to support practically all their lives. While I don't endorse the Pro-Life belief of abortion as a "right", I think their ingenuous argument that exception to abortion should be made if the health of the mother is in jeopardy is apalling. One can always find a doctor who will say that the birth of a child would "adversely affect the mother's health".

63C2splitter

03-05-2013, 7:03pm

I'm going to guess the person that wrote that is using their interpretation rather than the artists. It's an anit-abortion website.
I believe you are right. I didn't realize the source of the article was an anti-abortion site. :seasix:

Burro (He/Haw)

03-05-2013, 8:21pm

Picasso
Drives me nuts. I'm not an art guy by anyones definition. But if I had to pick a favorite? Monet or Warhol.

Craig

03-05-2013, 8:40pm

...meaning there are too many people out there being born that you and I have to support practically all their lives.

Why should the innocent life be punished with death?

...While I don't endorse the Pro-Life belief of abortion as a "right"

You meant pro-choice there, right?

Skia

03-05-2013, 8:48pm

Why should the innocent life be punished with death?

You meant pro-choice there, right?:skep:

This thread is staying on track and everyone is being civil. Lets keep it that way!!!!

:waiting:

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 8:59pm

Why should the innocent life be punished with death?

You meant pro-choice there, right?

Of course. My mistake.

lspencer534

03-05-2013, 9:03pm

:skep:

This thread is staying on track and everyone is being civil. Lets keep it that way!!!!

:waiting:

That's what I hoped would happen. Funny...how when you take a subject that might possibly have overtones can immediately develop into a full-blown argument that the "instigator" never meant to happen. As has already been said, art is controversial...but it should be controversial on its merit as art, not on its political merit.

mrvette

03-05-2013, 10:37pm

ART is boring, and PickyASSo is a jerk, his art sucks.....

and Jackie Kennedy was a airhead.....

CASE CLOSED.....

:seasix:

Fastguy

03-05-2013, 11:20pm

ART is boring, and PickyASSo is a jerk, his art sucks.....

and Jackie Kennedy was a airhead.....

CASE CLOSED.....

:seasix:

I was waiting for what insightful gems you would come up with.:D

Let me guess, "I like pitchers that look like stuff".

C5Nate

03-05-2013, 11:31pm

ART is boring, and PickyASSo is a jerk, his art sucks.....

and Jackie Kennedy was a airhead.....

CASE CLOSED.....

:seasix:

http://images.wikia.com/degrassi/images/e/e6/Huh-sheldon.gif

lander

03-06-2013, 5:18am

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Burro (He/Haw)

03-06-2013, 5:36am

What a bunch of hypocrites.

That cleared that up. :rofl:

Sea Six

03-06-2013, 5:41am

What a bunch of hypocrites.

That cleared that up. :rofl:

:iagree:

Who are the hypocrites? The artist and those responsible for its display? Some of us?

The Norwegians?

:funny:

island14

03-06-2013, 6:04am

I was waiting for what insightful gems you would come up with.:D

Let me guess, "I like pitchers that look like stuff".

:rofl:

Burro (He/Haw)

03-06-2013, 6:12am

The Norwegians?
Lets blame the French. Everyone hates them anyway.

Jobaka

03-06-2013, 1:14pm

Lets blame the French. Everyone hates them anyway.

I like the French. Not all of them, of course. Just the ones who make wine.

Craig

03-06-2013, 1:28pm

:skep:

This thread is staying on track and everyone is being civil. Lets keep it that way!!!!

:waiting:

If you consider my response uncivil, then you're more offended by my position than my words. I was only resonding to someone elses opinion on the subject, with my own opinion. I'm guessing you agree with his opinion, and that's why you didn't have a problem with it.

Skia

03-06-2013, 9:06pm

If you consider my response uncivil, then you're more offended by my position than my words. I was only resonding to someone elses opinion on the subject, with my own opinion. I'm guessing you agree with his opinion, and that's why you didn't have a problem with it.It was a warning from a Mod. :yesnod: What I believe in this case is immaterial.

Oh and BTW I made my thoughts on the subject known in previous posts. RIF :kimblair:

xXBUDXx

03-06-2013, 9:17pm

:skep:

This thread is staying on track and everyone is being civil. Lets keep it that way!!!!

:waiting:

Sorry, I got here as quick as I could.

The sculpture doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.

Skia

03-06-2013, 9:27pm

Sorry, I got here as quick as I could.

The sculpture doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling.How about this one???

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/f/M/k/e/a.baa-Sand-Sculpture-pciture.gif

Burro (He/Haw)

03-06-2013, 9:32pm

How about this one???

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/f/M/k/e/a.baa-Sand-Sculpture-pciture.gif

What did that bitch do, kill him with a book?!

xXBUDXx

03-06-2013, 9:33pm

How about this one???

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/f/M/k/e/a.baa-Sand-Sculpture-pciture.gif

Nope. I know the old trick of cooling off one foot.........She is about to get that clammy hoof in the small of the back. :leaving:

Skia

03-06-2013, 9:34pm

What did that bitch do, kill him with a book?!The Book was "The Kama Sutra" Beoitch wore his sandyazz out....

Craig

03-06-2013, 9:56pm

It was a warning from a Mod. :yesnod: What I believe in this case is immaterial.

Oh and BTW I made my thoughts on the subject known in previous posts. RIF :kimblair:

I read every post, including yours; my reading is fine.

If you think my post and my opinion are objectionable, do whatever you think you need to do, Mod.

BTW, If I'm understanding this incorrectly, I apologize.

Aerovette

03-07-2013, 12:09am

To my eye, that's exactly what it is. The mother figure appears to be indicating shame by her body position and posture.

The child appears to be telling the mother "It's OK," yet the mother is still indicating a shameful pose.

I don't like it. Nothing personal Spence.

I would think it impossible to find your own interpretation offensive. You are seing what you choose to see and then put off by it?

I see a sad mother and a child that has passed. The reason the child passed is irrelevant and not part of the message.

I guess the pet "Rainbow Bridge" is offensive because people have euthanized their animals.