Need camera advice...

[OddBall]

Need a camera that can get high speed shots. Like a horse galloping.
And has good night time or low light capability.
Can it be done under $500...$6oo...$700?
:bigears:

[C5SilverBullet]

Amazon.com: Nikon D3100 14.2MP Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens: Camera & Photo@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yomC0EodL.@@AMEPARAM@@51yomC0EodL

[island14]

http://www.google.com.ph/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=mNG6FaYgeLL9VM&tbnid=i_H0P3nFGbAeuM:&ved=0CAUQjBwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.gearlive.com%2Fblogimages%2Ffp_camera.jpg&ei=_N4fUbPMM5HyrQep0YD4CQ&psig=AFQjCNExU7lI2V-BvUYQ0w6oc7pDLQ5GDQ&ust=1361129596866801

[island14]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/13/fisher_price_camera_2.jpg

[island14]

http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/artikelen/420/kids-camera.jpg

[Rob]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2009/01/13/fisher_price_camera_2.jpg

:lol: I had one of those

[beadist]

Amazon.com: Nikon D3100 14.2MP Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens: Camera & Photo (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZYF3LO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p421_d4_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1XDKJ4NSGG81YFGYMCSX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)

That's a good buy:seasix:

[Sea Six]

Get a black one. Black cameras are the best.


Ever see a professional photographer? They ALL use black cameras.

:seasix:

[island14]

Get a black one. Black cameras are the best.


Ever see a professional photographer? They ALL use black cameras.

:seasix:

:iagree:

Settings are important.. :yesnod:

http://i48.tinypic.com/6jovfq.jpg

[island14]

:lol: I had one of those


I was surprised to see they now have kids digital cameras that really work

[Grey Ghost]

Can you be more specific about the lighting conditions and just how dark ?

Some camera bodies handle ISO better than others. But...you pay for it $$$. The same goes for focus speed. The kind of conditions you are talking about REALLY push the limits of a DSLR and lens. Are you willing to LEARN how to adjust the camera to those conditions ? Or just want to point/shoot and hope to get a good shot ? Do you want to print them or just post online ? Do you plan to shoot any video ?

I shot this at a rodeo last year. The sun was near or sinking on the horizon. They had some flood lights up and that was it. I was sitting in the stands and shot this handheld. The action is so fast that a tri or monopad won't do you any good.

A used 'L' class Canon lens will start in the high hundreds and go up.

I paid $200 for a used Canon body. I would like a faster zoom lens.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_5173a.jpg

[Sea Six]

Can you be more specific about the lighting conditions and just how dark ?

Some camera bodies handle ISO better than others. But...you pay for it $$$. The same goes for focus speed. The kind of conditions you are talking about REALLY push the limits of a DSLR and lens. Are you willing to LEARN how to adjust the camera to those conditions ? Or just want to point/shoot and hope to get a good shot ? Do you want to print them or just post online ? Do you plan to shoot any video ?

I shot this at a rodeo last year. The sun was near or sinking on the horizon. They had some flood lights up and that was it. I was sitting in the stands and shot this handheld. The action is so fast that a tri or monopad won't do you any good.

A used 'L' class Canon lens will start in the high hundreds and go up.

I paid $200 for a used Canon body. I would like a faster zoom lens.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_5173a.jpg

This is an awesome picture

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Like a horse galloping.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H6.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H5.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H4.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H2.jpg


Grey Ghost about covered it. :cert:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Would you consider used?

[kingpin]

Can you be more specific about the lighting conditions and just how dark ?

Some camera bodies handle ISO better than others. But...you pay for it $$$. The same goes for focus speed. The kind of conditions you are talking about REALLY push the limits of a DSLR and lens. Are you willing to LEARN how to adjust the camera to those conditions ? Or just want to point/shoot and hope to get a good shot ? Do you want to print them or just post online ? Do you plan to shoot any video ?

I shot this at a rodeo last year. The sun was near or sinking on the horizon. They had some flood lights up and that was it. I was sitting in the stands and shot this handheld. The action is so fast that a tri or monopad won't do you any good.

A used 'L' class Canon lens will start in the high hundreds and go up.

I paid $200 for a used Canon body. I would like a faster zoom lens.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_5173a.jpg

This is an awesome picture

They need better speakers! :slap:

[yell01]

I'd have to say go with Nikon. I've had Canon's and now have a Sony that I hate (it blows out all the pics when the flash is used). Used a buddies Nikon and it was great. :cert:

[Grey Ghost]

Dunno' if they consulted with Chasls2 or not :D

They need better speakers! :slap:

[OddBall]

Can you be more specific about the lighting conditions and just how dark ?

Some camera bodies handle ISO better than others. But...you pay for it $$$. The same goes for focus speed. The kind of conditions you are talking about REALLY push the limits of a DSLR and lens. Are you willing to LEARN how to adjust the camera to those conditions ? Or just want to point/shoot and hope to get a good shot ? Do you want to print them or just post online ? Do you plan to shoot any video ?

I shot this at a rodeo last year. The sun was near or sinking on the horizon. They had some flood lights up and that was it. I was sitting in the stands and shot this handheld. The action is so fast that a tri or monopad won't do you any good.

A used 'L' class Canon lens will start in the high hundreds and go up.

I paid $200 for a used Canon body. I would like a faster zoom lens.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_5173a.jpg

ummm....hmmm...uh....

....I wanna shoot pictures like that! That's what I wanna do.

...just wanna pay the Fisher Price price for it though...

[OddBall]

Great Lookin' horse too, Thomas. you take thiose?

[Jeff '79]

Great Lookin' horse too, Thomas. you take thiose?

:fruit:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Great Lookin' horse too, Thomas. you take thiose?

I did. A friend of mine own's it. :cert: A real friend. Not a Facebook friend. :D
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H13.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H14.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H15.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/H9.jpg

[OddBall]

:fruit:

:slap: :funny:

[Jeff '79]

:slap: :funny:

Whew ! Just checking......:D

[OddBall]

Whew ! Just checking......:D

Of course Julie has been known to steal a kiss or two

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/JulieKissFeb11b.jpg

[Grey Ghost]

From a reenactment last year.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_4473a.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_0175.jpg

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_0075a.jpg

[OddBall]

:cool1: Awesome!

[Grey Ghost]

I suggest you start with a Canon Rebel kit. You can get one online at amazon or in the store at Wal Mart. You can also find them used on CL, etc...

[JMS32935]

Amazon.com: Nikon D3100 14.2MP Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens: Camera & Photo (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZYF3LO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p421_d4_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1XDKJ4NSGG81YFGYMCSX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846)

That's a very good camera for your purposes. Notice that the kit includes a "VR" (vibration reduction) lens, which I'd highly recommend for hand-held photography. (Canon calls that feature "IS" (image stabilization)). That 18-55mm lens is good for close indoor to moderate distance outdoor pics. You may eventually want to add a 55-200m lens for longer outdoor pics. Both of those are "kit" lens, and so are commonly available at reasonable prices in the refurbished market. You can spend more for even better quality, but your money is better spent at this level to start.

VR is good at compensating for camera shake on indoor shots, where you commonly have low-light and longer exposure times. It also helps on outdoor shots, where distances are commonly longer, and photographer and subject might be moving. Whatever brand camera you get, I highly recommend that feature.


I have a Nikon D40, which is an older model in the same niche currently occupied by the D3100. Mine originally came with a non-VR lens, but later models added the VR feature, and I upgraded when they came available at refurbished prices. I currently have an 18-55 and a 55-200 lens, both VR and both "kit" lens. It would be nice to have a single lens that covered that entire range, but the price was significantly higher. What I have now seems like the proper compromise for my current needs.

Amazon's a good source, but I also like these...

Nikon refurbished... Nikon Store - Nikon Outlet (http://shop.nikonusa.com/store/nikonusa/en_US/list/ThemeID.18145600/Nikon_Outlet/categoryID.43896400)

Adorama... Adorama's Nikon Store (http://www.adorama.com/catalog.tpl?op=brands&brand=Nikon&humansrch=nikon&term=nikon)

After my original purchase, I bought a lot of upgrades and accessories from Adorama. I like them.


:cert:

[Grey Ghost]

Buy & Sell New & Used Cameras ? Canon, Nikon, Hasselblad, Leica & More - KEH.com (http://www.keh.com) is another great place for used equip. I've never heard about a bad transaction from them. Equip. is more often in better shape than they describe or rate.

[OddBall]

Wow....info overload,...been surfin' the net on y'all's suggestions

Trying to find examples of frames per second.

Also is the stability in the camera or in the lens?

I thought a lens was just a group of, well, lenses. There's more to it than that?

[Grey Ghost]

Stability is in the lens. Different names per mfg. IS, VC, VR, etc...
Both, Tamron and Sigma, offer some good glass for less than Canon/Nikon price. But, you really loose $ if you decide to resell.

[Sea Six]

Stability is in the lens. Different names per mfg. IS, VC, VR, etc...
Both, Tamron and Sigma, offer some good glass for less than Canon/Nikon price. But, you really loose $ if you decide to resell.

Really? :skep:

I would think that the image stabilization is a result of digital signal processing... not an analog lens.

[Sea Six]

Really.

Vibration Reduction from Nikon (http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/ftlzi4s6/Vibration-Reduction.html)

Well.

I sit corrected. :cheers:

[OddBall]

Stability is in the lens. Different names per mfg. IS, VC, VR, etc...
Both, Tamron and Sigma, offer some good glass for less than Canon/Nikon price. But, you really loose $ if you decide to resell.

Doubt I'll resell.
I have still have an 8track player.

Reading up on light and speed now

[Sea Six]

Doubt I'll resell.
I have still have an 8track player.

Reading up on light and speed now

Don't discount meth.

Meth > speed any day. :yesnod:


Or, so I've heard. :eek:

[Jeff '79]

Don't discount meth.

Meth > speed any day. :yesnod:


Or, so I've heard. :eek:

Man ! You're all over it....:seasix:

[Grey Ghost]

Confederate Cavalry ~ Prodigal Sons

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/IMG_9919a-1.jpg

[Grey Ghost]

Really. But...a faster shutter speed can be substituted on a lens without it. It is also only good for static subjects.

Really? :skep:

I would think that the image stabilization is a result of digital signal processing... not an analog lens.

[OddBall]

some reasons for getting decent equipment

I had to crop this

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/JulieUnderWillowTree.jpg



from this, and the light is really washed out compared to what it actually was.
And exploding the picture any more just made it grainy. So a zoom lens would have definitely helped.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC02739.jpg


This is a shot of Oakie while he is running with me and Julie. I took the shot from on top of Julie. The light is low, I'm moving (up, down and all around) and the subject, Oakie is moving. It would have been great if I could have got it in clarity. He was wet, muscles and veins bulged and just the intense look on his face was awesome. With a high speed series of shots, I could have gotten some excellent pictures.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC02637.jpg


Night shot, but obviously a failure. I've tried several times to the horses silhouette against a full moon, and although I can get the pose and shot, it never turns out.
In the summer, that field gets inundated with fire-flies. Been trying forever to get a shot of that.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC02492.jpg

Another missed opportunity
It was early spring and windy as hell. Julie has a gorgeous mane, and it looked really good blowing in the wind. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the shot quick enough. And I had to get in close to get the pictures. Well, she's huggy, and wants to be petted more than she wants to pose. :funny:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC02148.jpg


lost a great shot to motion blur here.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC01510.jpg

Here's the one right after it, but I've already missed the shot
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC01509.jpg

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Personally I'm not a fan of Tamron. I've tried a few of them, and my Canon's out perform them hands down.

This is a tricky shot to begin with. You're shooting right into the sun for starter's and that will trick even the most sophisticated metering system. Switch to Center Weighted or even Spot Metering for these, and try +1 Exposure Value.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/visund/Pets/DSC01510.jpg

Grey Ghost, I have some friends who are also very much into the re-enactment hobby. :cert:

[Jeff '79]

You can do some exposure fixing using the computer Light, contrast, tint, color temp, etc.
I'm a really crappy photog, as I don't care to learn the camera that I have. My Sony Cyber-Shot does have a "Sports/Action" setting on it. It's adequate for a non-pro, like myself.
My best friend has been a professional photographer for all of his life.. He's got some serious stuff. I think he carries around $15k worth of equipment with him on a daily basis.
I took this yesterday, but it sure doesn't look Thomas quality....

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af113/jeff79/DSC05747_zpsfc8d9b2b.jpg

[OddBall]

You can do some exposure fixing using the computer Light, contrast, tint, color temp, etc.
I'm a really crappy photog, as I don't care to learn the camera that I have. My Sony Cyber-Shot does have a "Sports/Action" setting on it. It's adequate for a non-pro, like myself.
My best friend has been a professional photographer for all of his life.. He's got some serious stuff. I think he carries around $15k worth of equipment with him on a daily basis.
I took this yesterday, but it sure doesn't look Thomas quality....

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af113/jeff79/DSC05747_zpsfc8d9b2b.jpg

yeah, it's grainy. Like there's a lot of snow in it.

:D

[Jeff '79]

yeah, it's grainy. Like there's a lot of snow in it.

:D

:yesnod: See?..... And it wasn't even snowing.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Which ones?

The Tamron's? 70-300, and the 24-70.

The biggest difference was the 70-300 against my 100-400 Canon. The Tamron didn't focus as quickly as my Canon. Not even close. I also thought the shots were softer.

Same results from the 24-70.

A friend of mine and I were shooting a wedding a while back. The lighting inside was terrible. I walked away with a higher percentage of shots like the ones below, than she did.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Dance1.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Dance3.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Dance2.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Kiss1.jpg

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Focus is probably the biggest difference in the 3rd party vs. "brand" lenses I hear. :yesnod:

That's what I've found in my VERY limited shooting with Tamron. The friend of mine that had the 70-300 Tamron sold it for a Canon 400mm prime. He's a big wildlife shooter.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/555460_4918678697635_1472659431_n_zps2a214399.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/75230_4782218366212_1903988426_n_zps319265d9.jpg

[MEANZ06]

I keep looking at these...


https://www.lytro.com

[carlton_fritz]

Prime is almost always better than zoom for image sharpness. Tamron, Sigma and Tokina are cheaper than Canon and Nikon. You can't reasonably expect the same optical quality. That said, Tamron does have a few lenses that have gotten good reviews. The 90mm 2.8 macro, 180 3.5, 300 2.8, 70-210 2.8 and the 200-500 all got good scores optically. Notice that there are only 2 zooms listed. Canon and Nikon are much better with zoom lenses.

[carlton_fritz]

My recommendation would be something like the Nikon D5200 or 3200. Both of those have better low light capability than the 5100 and 3100. Add the 55-200VR. The D5200 is suggested at $799.95. Nikon D5200 DX-Format Digital SLR Camera Body - Black 1501 (http://www.adorama.com/INKD5200.html)

[carlton_fritz]

Pass.
pass puff. :leaving:

[MEANZ06]

pass puff. :leaving:

It's "puff puff pass" :spdchk: :rasta:

[Jeff '79]

It's "puff puff pass" :spdchk: :rasta:

& don't boge it !

[carlton_fritz]

It's "puff puff pass" :spdchk: :rasta:
I had to go off what he started.:slap:

[Grey Ghost]

Find out their unit name and let me know :seasix: I've been into it for 20 yrs. The 150th Gettysburg is the big national event this year. If they are going, maybe I'll see them on the field :lol:

I've been chomping at the bit for a Canon 100-400. Can you shoot handheld with it ?


Grey Ghost, I have some friends who are also very much into the re-enactment hobby. :cert:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I've been chomping at the bit for a Canon 100-400. Can you shoot handheld with it ?
Absolutely. All these were hand held using that lens. :cert:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Rita03-123112_zps1f366057.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Rita02-123112_zps003d15d4.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Rita01-123112_zps8deb5fb0.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Rita-2-121012.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Sam-Rita-4-12912.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Sam-Rita-2-12912.jpg

[Jeff '79]

Wow ! That last one is a great shot ...:yesnod:

[OddBall]

Absolutely. All these were hand held using that lens. :cert:


Is that how much I need to get shots like that?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Is that how much I need to get shots like that?

Not necessarily, but the equipment DOES give you a higher percentage of keepers. :cert:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/Sam1-72612-1.jpg

[OddBall]

:cool1:

[OddBall]

Thomas, what was the shutter speed, aperture, and ISO of those shots?
I realize there is more to it than that; I'm just trying to gauge a feel for what I need. I'd really like to get that level of action. And I'm assuming that equipment that can handle that, can handle a decent low light environment as well.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Thomas, what was the shutter speed, aperture, and ISO of those shots?
I realize there is more to it than that; I'm just trying to gauge a feel for what I need. I'd really like to get that level of action. And I'm assuming that equipment that can handle that, can handle a decent low light environment as well.
When I get to my home computer, I'll get all the settings off the EXIF data for you. :cert:

[OddBall]

When I get to my home computer, I'll get all the settings off the EXIF data for you. :cert:

:seasix:


No remote control software to access the home computer from work? Come on man! :D

:slap: :funny:

[Grey Ghost]

I tried and it said no exif info avail. Could be in the raw file.

[Yamma]

Shot these with a Canon 60D and 55-250mm canon lens:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/6974_10151232909363463_862665855_n_zpsc1de5cf1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/12287_298811683570114_281455358_n_zpsb45e7e8a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/148289_10151232912888463_696853921_n_zps374b2d05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/598354_10151232910283463_814626717_n_zps0fe45a85.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/480588_10151232904433463_1421210592_n_zpsef3f1f65.jpg

These with 18-55mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/382001_298811540236795_870963817_n_zpsac251cd9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/154475_298811583570124_1995818524_n_zps38d960c8.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/zr2gal/8760_298811713570111_862528526_n_zps0839de1a.jpg

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Here are four shot with EXIF data. It probably look's like a bunch of bullshit to you. If you have any questions, Grey, Yamma, TxAg can all help answer them :cert:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/exif_zps3c50652f.jpg

[OddBall]

Shot these with a Canon 60D and 55-250mm canon lens:
...bunch of awesome horsey pics...


:cool1: Awesome!

Here are four shot with EXIF data. It probably look's like a bunch of bullshit to you. If you have any questions, Grey, Yamma, TxAg can all help answer them :cert:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/exif_zps3c50652f.jpg

ummm....hmmmm...uh....

I take it that that's a log of all the settings and conditions that the pictures were created under. Did the camera record that or the lens?

Another silly question; Do all lenses fit all camera's?

[Jeff '79]

Just a thought Oddball.
Do they have continuing education classes in your town, where you could take a night class in photography? That might be something for you to ponder. It would get you out meeting people and learning stuff...:seasix:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Did the camera record that or the lens?
Camera. Even the basic model Rebel captures this.

Another silly question; Do all lenses fit all camera's?
Nope. Canon and Nikon have different mounts. Some of the Canon lens are NOT interchangeable either. Great huh?!?!?!

[OddBall]

Just a thought Oddball.
Do they have continuing education classes in your town, where you could take a night class in photography? That might be something for you to ponder. It would get you out meeting people and learning stuff...:seasix:

That's an idea, I think the local community college is up to the Polaroid Land Camera now.

Camera. Even the basic model Rebel captures this.


Nope. Canon and Nikon have different mounts. Some of the Canon lens are NOT interchangeable either. Great huh?!?!?!


Dammit Thomas, you're gonna make me choose 'tween an new AR and a camera. :funny:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Dammit Thomas, you're gonna make me choose 'tween an new AR and a camera.
Well, both shoot. :D And the .gov wienies aren't trying to take your camera. Yet. .cert:

[Grey Ghost]

Or a local photography club.

Just a thought Oddball.
Do they have continuing education classes in your town, where you could take a night class in photography? That might be something for you to ponder. It would get you out meeting people and learning stuff...:seasix:

[Grey Ghost]

The 55-250 that Yamma, mentioned is @ $150.00 now. I had it for a short time. Keep it within its limits and it is a decent lens.

Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III for $100 or Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS $149 - Slickdeals.net (http://slickdeals.net/f/5863536-Canon-EF-75-300mm-f-4-5-6-III-for-100-or-Canon-EF-S-55-250mm-f-4-5-6-IS-149)

[OddBall]

and here I thought this would be easy.

torn between my creative and miserly ways

what to do...what to do...

[Jeff '79]

and here I thought this would be easy.

torn between my creative and miserly ways

what to do...what to do...

buy an etch-a-shetch :seasix:

[Grey Ghost]

Watch this page on February 24. Rumor is there will be 20% and 30% off on refurb lenses, bodies, and kits. The good 'L' stuff goes really fast though.

Canon Direct Store - Buy Canon Cameras, Lenses & Flashes, Printers & All-In-Ones, Camcorders, Binoculars, Projectors, Scanners, Copiers & Fax, Calculators, Ink, Paper & Toner, Accessories, Build-Your-Bundle, (http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/home_10051_10051_-1?WT.mc_id=C126149)

[JMS32935]

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torn between my creative and miserly ways
what to do...what to do...

miserly... follow C5SilverBullet's suggestion and get the cheap Nikon DSLR. You might be surprised how well it works. (I like mine, despite its limitations.)

creative... damn the cost, spend the money, you'll hate yourself if you don't. Chances are the money spent won't affect your lifestyle, and what else were you going to spend it on anyway.


:leaving: :cert: