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DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 5:29pm
...with a 50% increase in ratings. Sensitivity!!! That was actually the best of all the gun shows and Paige Wyatt was hot (hopefully she's legal).

Discovery hit ?American Guns? canceled as Hollywood wrestles with links to gun violence | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/12/17/discovery-hit-american-guns-canceled-as-hollywood-wrestles-with-links-to-gun/?intcmp=features)


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LOS ANGELES – Discovery Channel’s popular reality show about a family of gun makers, “American Guns," came under intense scrutiny in the wake of Friday’s mass shooting at a Connecticut grade school, with people flooding the show’s Facebook page calling for its cancelation.

“I know you all have to make money but would Discovery Channel PLEASE consider ceasing to broadcast the show in the U.K.? Sadly your program makes buying/owning guns seem fun, glamorous, even normal,” wrote one. Another tweeted, “Dear Discovery Channel: it’s not appropriate showing the program American Guns now!” Another weighed in: “With Discovery shows like 'Sons of Guns', 'American Guns', 'Ted Nugent's Gun Country' etc it's not surprising how guns r seen as acceptable.”

It seems the critics may have been heard.

A Discovery rep told FOX411 that “American Guns” – which is out of production and not currently broadcasting new episodes – has been canceled and will not return for a third season. This comes as something of a surprise given its growing popularity. The show had a 50 percent ratings increase for its second season premiere, and one of its stars, Renee Wyatt, recently said she would “definitely” be interested in returning for season three. The rep, however, would not link the show’s cancelation to the Connecticut school massacre.

A rep for the guns rights group The Firearm Coalition responded, telling us: "It does not surprise me that Discovery may be lowering the profile of its gun coverage. That's their prerogative. Nonetheless this tragedy has as much to do about lawful use of guns as the lawful use of cars has to do with a car bombing."

Indeed the tragedy in Connecticut, in which with 27 people, including 20 school children, were killed by a lone gunman, has many in the entertainment industry struggling with the issue of firearms and gun violence. The star and director of the upcoming blood-and-gore filled “Django Unchained” differed this weekend about Hollywood’s responsibility when it comes to violence in film.

Actor Jamie Foxx told the Associated Press that the entertainment industry needs to start bearing some responsibility for violent content it produces. "We cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn't have a sort of influence," Foxx said. "It does."

But director Quentin Tarantino, who has built his career on depictions of graphic violence in films like “Inglourious Basterds” and “Kill Bill,” said he was tired of having to defend his movies, noting that “tragedies happen” and the blame should fall on those guilty of committing them.

“Quentin Tarantino seems to believe he is magically disconnected from the human race. Somehow everything he creates has no impact on us? He’s not the only director or movie producer who denies any negative effect from their work,” scoffed documentary producer Nicole Clark, who also educates young children on the effects of the media. “But ask any of these producers or directors if they think films can have a positive effect on society, and they will instantly say yes."

The Tarantino movie – described by one early filmgoer as so violent that they had to leave the theater midway through – is slated for official release on Christmas Day, prompting many to wonder if producer Harvey Weinstein, who recently called for a Violent Movie Summit to discuss the hot-button topic, will look to delay its release given the current circumstances. The film’s press junket, held in New York the day after the Connecticut shootings, proceeded as scheduled.

A Weinstein rep was not immediately available for comment.

Audiences are also questioning the upcoming Sean Penn film “Gangster Squad,” which was promoted with a violent ad during an NFL game on Sunday. The shooting-saturated movie is set for theatrical release next month after being delayed over the summer following the Aurora movie theater shooting. Even though directors edited out a cinema shooting spree scene, many are still disturbed by the movie’s timing and heavy promotion in the wake of the Sandy Hook tragedy.

“My 5 yr old and I are watching the Colts game. Then comes on violent guns a-blazin’ Gangster Squad ad. God Bless America,” tweeted one. Another questioned “why are they showing these ads this weekend?” Another observed: “Not the best timing for that ‘Gangster Squad’ commercial. Counted 11 guns throughout. And we wonder how people are influenced.”

Several studies over the past decade have pointed out connections between television and real-life aggression. According to the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, American children watch an average of four hours of television daily, and that “television can be a powerful influence in developing value systems and shaping behavior,” and that the repeated observation of TV violence can lead minors into gradually accepting violence as a way to solve problems, becoming numb to the horrors of violence, and imitating that violence as a way to solve problems.

“All artists, whether they work in visual, film, television, video games, or other media understand that they have the potential to affect viewers – in fact, they want it. All viewers want to be affected by media. In fact, if the media doesn't affect us, we call them boring,” said Douglas A. Gentile, Ph.D. a professor of Psychology at Iowa State University. “Humans are amazing learners, we can learn just from seeing something once. So it is no surprise that we can learn from the media, especially if the media are particularly exciting or interesting.”

Vincent Newman, the producer of this year’s remake of the violent cult film “Red Dawn” and the upcoming “We're the Millers,” said that those who make movies and television shows are indeed responsible for the effect their products have on society as a whole.

“It would seem the first and most direct step for individuals in Hollywood to be responsible is to recognize that the stories we tell, depending on how they are told and in what context they are told, can have an impact of varying positive or coarsening degrees beyond simple entertainment,” he told FOX411. “Thus far, this has rarely been part of the conversation during development.”

But others point out that while violence is indeed prevalent in today’s mainstream media and entertainment, it is the availability of guns in the United States that exacerbates the issue.

“Hollywood is an easy target to point the finger of blame at, and no one can rationally say that there isn’t too much violence in film, TV, video games, etc. But these images are available in virtually every civilized nation in the world,” explained Lonnie Burstein, Executive Vice President of Programming at Debmar Mercury, a subsidiary of Lions Gate Entertainment. “Yet no country has the death by firearms epidemic that exists here in America. Our violent films and video games are seen everywhere, yet we don’t see this level of violence in other countries.”

Madison Jones, the Co-Chair of de Passe Jones Entertainment, a production company currently working on a movie about the life of Martin Luther King, Jr. with Steven Spielberg, said the Sandy Hook shootings were the “act of a monstrously deranged person and cannot conveniently be assigned to violence in entertainment.”

“There is no way to honestly and intelligently scapegoat anyone or anything when we seek blame for tragedy,” Jones said. “Demonizing the entertainment industry because of a madman that was disturbed is not the solution.”

Reps for guns rights groups including the National Rifle Association, the Gun Owners of America, and the Second Amendment Foundation did not immediately return calls and emails for comment.

Read more: Discovery hit ?American Guns? canceled as Hollywood wrestles with links to gun violence | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/12/17/discovery-hit-american-guns-canceled-as-hollywood-wrestles-with-links-to-gun/?intcmp=features#ixzz2FLovCiSg)

Stangkiller
12-17-2012, 5:30pm
Out of the three gun shows, this was my least favorite..and last I checked that chick was a minor, but regardless she looks like a busted giraffe. :island14:

ApexOversteer
12-17-2012, 5:30pm
Typical. Blaming guns for the mental health problem.

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 5:38pm
Out of the three gun shows, this was my least favorite..and last I checked that chick was a minor, but regardless she looks like a busted giraffe. :island14:

I can go with calling the mom a giraffe, but the daughter has a chance.

BTW, I think she's legal now (or at least i hope).
http://img292.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-19551/loc98/19301_paigewyatt_apparelphotoshoot001_122_98lo.jpg

Chris Fowler
12-17-2012, 5:45pm
more chicken-shit idiots

Easier to blame the tool than the murderer using the tool.

Guns are used far more often for good/self defense than for evil.

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 5:51pm
more chicken-shit idiots

Easier to blame the tool than the murderer using the tool.

Guns are used far more often for good/self defense than for evil.

We are calling the wrong things "tools."

Clearly, the idiots coming up with the knee-jerk reactions are tools.

Joecooool
12-17-2012, 5:55pm
more chicken-shit idiots

Easier to blame the tool than the murderer using the tool.

Guns are used far more often for good/self defense than for evil.

55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 5:57pm
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

I figured you show up like that one piece of turd that won't go down with the flush.

Care to post your stats or did you pull these out of your ass or off some little known lib blog like you always do?

I can't believe you are brain dead enough to blame a suicide and a murder on a gun. If those people wanted to kill themselves they would. We had soldiers placed on a 24 hour watch for suicide many times and took their weapons. One person managed to still go through with killing himself despite having his weapon taken even though he wasn't being watched anymore. Blame the gun...:rolleyes:

and murder. Right, that's the gun's fault and not the criminal's. Sure, the gun may have made it easier, but apparently nothing else was there to stop the criminal like, oh let's say, your beloved gun laws or my beloved armed citizen practicing self defense.

*edited: i said some stuff to Phil that I would never apologize for, but the lib koolaid stirrer isn't worth the definite bannage I'd get.

Chris Fowler
12-17-2012, 5:57pm
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:
You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without killing someone, right?
You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without shooting someone, right?
You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without ever actually firing it, right?

Those would be the stats that you ignore...

Joecooool
12-17-2012, 6:14pm
I figured you show up like that one piece of turd that won't go down with the flush.

Care to post your stats or did you pull these out of your ass or off some little known lib blog like you always do?

I can't believe you are brain dead enough to blame a suicide and a murder on a gun. If those people wanted to kill themselves they would. We had soldiers placed on a 24 hour watch for suicide many times and took their weapons. One person managed to still go through with killing himself despite having his weapon taken even though he wasn't being watched anymore. Blame the gun...:rolleyes:

and murder. Right, that's the gun's fault and not the criminal's. Sure, the gun may have made it easier, but apparently nothing else was there to stop the criminal like, oh let's say, your beloved gun laws or my beloved armed citizen practicing self defense.

*edited: i said some stuff to Phil that I would never apologize for, but the lib koolaid stirrer isn't worth the definite bannage I'd get.Half of gun deaths are suicides - US news - Life | NBC News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25463844/ns/us_news-life/t/surprising-fact-half-gun-deaths-are-suicides/)

Chuck A
12-17-2012, 6:14pm
Out of the three gun shows, this was my least favorite..and last I checked that chick was a minor, but regardless she looks like a busted giraffe. :island14:

she defenitely has a long neck for sure
very long , indeed

Torqaholic
12-17-2012, 6:28pm
your program makes buying/owning guns seem fun, glamorous, even normal

It is... Unless you want to go back to the days when klinton and the media had demonized gun owners so badly that we had school shootings on a weekly basis. Tell people a lie often enough and they start to believe it.

xXBUDXx
12-17-2012, 6:29pm
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

How do police shootings fit in?

Never mind. I found it.

More than 90 percent of suicide attempts using guns are successful, while the success rate for jumping from high places was 34 percent. The success rate for drug overdose was 2 percent, the brief said, citing studies.

Based on this, shouldn't firearms be rewarded for being efficient?

DaveK88
12-17-2012, 6:32pm
After reading that i think movies should be banned, but thats just me drinking out loud. :shots:


If you look at the above picture, she is carrying so she must at least be 18

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 6:33pm
Phil, you could be right, but blindly following the statistics without looking into them (or their age) is not a good idea.

Here's what i found, but given that there was far more at play here than the gun, I don't give credence to the fact that the gun was the reason, merely a tool for the death. Take the stat in my link about the drugs/suicides and again, we open up the mental health issue that has been raging all weekend long. The deaths aren't the guns faults, but I lay more blame at those imposing law based on knee jerk reactions combined with mentally ill people, and not the root causes, than I do the gun (which I am sure you will not agree with).

But the other thing about the stats is exactly how old are they? Do you have accurate up to date stuff? I didn't see it in your link and 2005 is what, 8 years past us?

Gun-related deaths in the USA (http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm)

And Phil, you again fail to address the main point of the OP which is outrage at Knee Jerk Reactions. YOu and your liberal friends should be all over that one since you are experts ont he subject.

VITE1
12-17-2012, 6:34pm
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

And over half the murders in America are done by Blacks to Blacks.

Cybercowboy
12-17-2012, 6:35pm
And over half the murders in America are done by Blacks to Blacks.

Obviously, blacks should be banned...

:leaving:

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 6:36pm
And over half the murders in America are done by Blacks to Blacks.

thank god they hold their Nines sideways or the stat would be higher :D

:leaving:

Chris Fowler
12-17-2012, 6:37pm
Obviously, blacks should be banned...

:leaving:
If blacks voted Republican the left would call for it...

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 6:38pm
If blacks voted Republican the left would call for it...

They did. Herman Cain ring a bell?

lander
12-17-2012, 6:51pm
A homicide can be justified. That fact will get lost in the stats.

justind
12-17-2012, 6:51pm
Actor Jamie Foxx told the Associated Press that the entertainment industry needs to start bearing some responsibility for violent content it produces. "We cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn't have a sort of influence," Foxx said. "It does."

Jamie Foxx, What a friggen hypocrite I am just going to say this is all his fault.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8b/Django_Unchained_Poster.jpg/220px-Django_Unchained_Poster.jpg

Burro (He/Haw)
12-17-2012, 6:58pm
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/GUN_zpsf37d945a.jpg

Chris Fowler
12-17-2012, 7:12pm
Half of gun deaths are suicides - US news - Life | NBC News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25463844/ns/us_news-life/t/surprising-fact-half-gun-deaths-are-suicides/)
And half of suicides are using a gun.

Do you actually expect that without a gun they wouldn't find a way?

lallend
12-17-2012, 7:18pm
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/GUN_zpsf37d945a.jpg

It's the daughter Paige...


http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/blsam06/paige-wyatt-american-guns.jpg


http://l.yimg.com/ck/image/A2390/2390734/300_2390734.jpg

kylebuck
12-17-2012, 7:21pm
Half of gun deaths are suicides - US news - Life | NBC News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25463844/ns/us_news-life/t/surprising-fact-half-gun-deaths-are-suicides/)

The kill to death ratio is only 1:1 ... Noobs

VITE1
12-17-2012, 7:37pm
I watched that show a few times. Friggen idiots and tools.

If it's as poplar as they say some other station will pick it up.

xXBUDXx
12-17-2012, 7:39pm
Phil has dropped another ball-o-bait and some of us bit.

ApexOversteer
12-17-2012, 7:40pm
I watched that show a few times. Friggen idiots and tools.

If it's as poplar as they say some other station will pick it up.

Maybe the Honey Boo-Boo channel can clear a spot...

Chris Fowler
12-17-2012, 7:47pm
I watched that show a few times. Friggen idiots and tools.

If it's as poplar as they say some other station will pick it up.
A couple of months ago I talked to someone that was on the show.

The drama is 100% manufactured. The coin flips, the price debates, etc are filmed multiple times from multiple angles. It's all worked out in advance.

But the quality of their work is apparently top notch.

...Whitepower...
12-17-2012, 7:55pm
All those gun shows suck.

And this isn't an anti-gun post... It's an anti shitty television programing post.

lander
12-17-2012, 8:03pm
All those gun shows suck.

And this isn't an anti-gun post... It's an anti shitty television programing post.


:iagree: I tried watching a couple of them...tried. Gave up. If I want to watch stupid shit, I'll flip over to Honey Boo Boo or whatever the feck that show is.

:leaving:

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 9:14pm
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj280/Dilemma_1962/GUN_zpsf37d945a.jpg

Reading the rest of the thread might give you a hint.

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 9:15pm
Phil has dropped another ball-o-bait and some of us bit.

No, he dropped a load of something else.

All those gun shows suck.

And this isn't an anti-gun post... It's an anti shitty television programing post.

Agreed that it wasn't that great especially given all the manufactured drama, but the reason for cancelling the show is :bs:

snide
12-17-2012, 9:19pm
Do these people not realize that people use bullets to kill people and not guns? ****ing idiots.

Burro (He/Haw)
12-17-2012, 9:30pm
Reading the rest of the thread might give you a hint.
Gee thanks.

DJ_Critterus
12-17-2012, 9:37pm
Gee thanks.

Just trying to help.

Aerovette
12-17-2012, 11:46pm
I figured you show up like that one piece of turd that won't go down with the flush.

Care to post your stats or did you pull these out of your ass or off some little known lib blog like you always do?

I can't believe you are brain dead enough to blame a suicide and a murder on a gun. If those people wanted to kill themselves they would. We had soldiers placed on a 24 hour watch for suicide many times and took their weapons. One person managed to still go through with killing himself despite having his weapon taken even though he wasn't being watched anymore. Blame the gun...:rolleyes:

and murder. Right, that's the gun's fault and not the criminal's. Sure, the gun may have made it easier, but apparently nothing else was there to stop the criminal like, oh let's say, your beloved gun laws or my beloved armed citizen practicing self defense.

*edited: i said some stuff to Phil that I would never apologize for, but the lib koolaid stirrer isn't worth the definite bannage I'd get.

It's not his fault...it's the keyboard's.

Aerovette
12-17-2012, 11:50pm
It's the daughter Paige...


http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx303/blsam06/paige-wyatt-american-guns.jpg


http://l.yimg.com/ck/image/A2390/2390734/300_2390734.jpg

It is a cruel cruel thing to put an adult body on a minor. :leaving:

kingpin
12-17-2012, 11:51pm
She's hot!

Aerovette
12-18-2012, 12:15am
Jamie Foxx, What a friggen hypocrite I am just going to say this is all his fault.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8b/Django_Unchained_Poster.jpg/220px-Django_Unchained_Poster.jpg

I grew up watching the Three Stooges and the Roadrunner and never was I ever tempted to grab someone's nose with pliers or drop an anvil on their head from a cliff. Y'know why?. My parents taught me right from wrong. My dad was not afraid of hurting my feelings or my ass to make the lesson stick.

TV and Movies may plant a seed... but parents are in charge of whether they let it grow, or stomp it dead.

kingpin
12-18-2012, 12:28am
The Gap! :drool:

I mean that I think she shops at the gap.

:leaving:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/kingpin111/PaigeWyatt-AmericanGuns-03_zps4cf30b5c.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/kingpin111/PaigeWyatt-AmericanGuns-19_zpsc1700d2f.jpg

ApexOversteer
12-18-2012, 12:35am
She's 18... and the bikini shots are especially nice...

kylebuck
12-18-2012, 12:35am
The Gap! :drool:

I mean that I think she shops at the gap.

:leaving:
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/kingpin111/PaigeWyatt-AmericanGuns-03_zps4cf30b5c.jpg
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n130/kingpin111/PaigeWyatt-AmericanGuns-19_zpsc1700d2f.jpg

careful her dad can shoot...kinda

RED-85-Z51
12-18-2012, 2:32am
Shoulda kept American guns, and dropped Sons of Guns.

SoG is among the dumbest crap on TV...

At least AG had some eye candy, and the son is a skilled engraver...the fat ass barrel guy was hard to bear, and the father is hard to watch...

ft laud mike
12-18-2012, 5:39am
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

Who the feck cares? Unstable people will figure out how kill themselves somehow. They are unstable, not unmotivated.

Black94lt1
12-18-2012, 7:20am
It's the daughter Paige...


http://l.yimg.com/ck/image/A2390/2390734/300_2390734.jpg

I think she is legal now! :seasix:

And the mom has a nice aftermarket rack!

Grey Ghost
12-18-2012, 8:23am
I watched it or let it play in the background before. But, their acting was terrible ! Lots of fake drama like with the other reality shows...deadlines, sketchy deals, etc...

The only thing on TV that I make an effort to watch anymore is Gold Rush.

DJ_Critterus
12-18-2012, 9:47am
One would think the liberal would be :hurray: for darwinism at work.

But we all know about their hypocrisy.

Just wait, I'm sure the "I'd share a beer", please everyone don't hurt me, posts will come for DJ. SSDD for liberals. :yawn:

Meh. People who know me have witnessed first hand that i don't share my beer..... they can go get their own if they want one :yesnod:

Joecooool
12-18-2012, 10:17am
Phil, you could be right, but blindly following the statistics without looking into them (or their age) is not a good idea.

Here's what i found, but given that there was far more at play here than the gun, I don't give credence to the fact that the gun was the reason, merely a tool for the death. Take the stat in my link about the drugs/suicides and again, we open up the mental health issue that has been raging all weekend long. The deaths aren't the guns faults, but I lay more blame at those imposing law based on knee jerk reactions combined with mentally ill people, and not the root causes, than I do the gun (which I am sure you will not agree with).

But the other thing about the stats is exactly how old are they? Do you have accurate up to date stuff? I didn't see it in your link and 2005 is what, 8 years past us?

Gun-related deaths in the USA (http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm)

And Phil, you again fail to address the main point of the OP which is outrage at Knee Jerk Reactions. YOu and your liberal friends should be all over that one since you are experts ont he subject.Your link doesn't change the facts I posted. And do you really think that those of us wanting tighter gun control laws want them now because of what just happened? My position has been consistent for the past twenty years.

A homicide can be justified. That fact will get lost in the stats.

Its in the link I provided. Its a whopping 2% of all gun related deaths.

VITE1
12-18-2012, 10:26am
Your link doesn't change the facts I posted. And do you really think that those of us wanting tighter gun control laws want them now because of what just happened? My position has been consistent for the past twenty years.



Its in the link I provided. Its a whopping 2% of all gun related deaths.

Yet you refuse to recognize that the major driver in the violent crime rate is not access to guns but is primarily driven by Socio economic issues and trouble enabled by the very social polices you support.

Stangkiller
12-18-2012, 10:29am
Your link doesn't change the facts I posted. And do you really think that those of us wanting tighter gun control laws want them now because of what just happened? My position has been consistent for the past twenty years.



Its in the link I provided. Its a whopping 2% of all gun related deaths.

No, but you're not one to let a good crisis go to waste. How could you lose an argument if you highjack the deaths of innocent children and try to tie them to your cause.

All the while NONE of your suggestions would have prevented this tragedy.

It's low and it's disgusting Phil, you should honestly be ashamed.

Joecooool
12-18-2012, 11:33am
No, but you're not one to let a good crisis go to waste. How could you lose an argument if you highjack the deaths of innocent children and try to tie them to your cause.

All the while NONE of your suggestions would have prevented this tragedy.

It's low and it's disgusting Phil, you should honestly be ashamed.

Oh bullshit. I didn't start this god damn thread or any other on the subject. Its the gun nuts that did. Up until your post no one in this thread even mentioned the tragedy in CT.

Where is your shame?

Ryan Bell
12-18-2012, 11:40am
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Stangkiller
12-18-2012, 11:44am
Oh bullshit. I didn't start this god damn thread or any other on the subject. Its the gun nuts that did. Up until your post no one in this thread even mentioned the tragedy in CT.

Where is your shame?

Why's gun control being brought up, why were there calls for this shows cancellation again? Oh yah, the left and media is trying to pin this tragedy to gun control. Are you or are you not attempting to seize the moment to push your agenda?
I stand by everything I said.

onedef92
12-18-2012, 12:27pm
I never peeped the show. Was it any good? I do like The History Channel's series on weapons, though.

Joecooool
12-18-2012, 12:45pm
Why's gun control being brought up, why were there calls for this shows cancellation again? Oh yah, the left and media is trying to pin this tragedy to gun control. Are you or are you not attempting to seize the moment to push your agenda?
I stand by everything I said.

I haven't said a single thing about banning all guns in this or any other thread. I've always pushed for more regulations and tighter controls in any gun thread I have participated in.

And no I'm not using this tragedy to "push my agenda". I'm simply voicing my opinion in a thread someone else started.

Your hit on me over this was bogus.

Stangkiller
12-18-2012, 12:51pm
I haven't said a single thing about banning all guns in this or any other thread. I've always pushed for more regulations and tighter controls in any gun thread I have participated in. Nobodys mentioned banning guns..only gun control.

And no I'm not using this tragedy to "push my agenda". I'm simply voicing my opinion in a thread someone else started.

Your hit on me over this was bogus.
You don't have to start a thread, I never even implied you started a thread, but you have been active in them in attempting to make your case for "tighter controls". Anybody attempting to push for tighter controls right now, should be ashamed.

lander
12-18-2012, 12:58pm
I never peeped the show. Was it any good? I do like The History Channel's series on weapons, though.

In a word, no.

DJ_Critterus
12-18-2012, 12:59pm
Your link doesn't change the facts I posted. And do you really think that those of us wanting tighter gun control laws want them now because of what just happened? My position has been consistent for the past twenty years.



Its in the link I provided. Its a whopping 2% of all gun related deaths.

Yes, your position is consistent and I consistentlt chalk you up as a fool for wanting ro trample might constitutional rights. Now how bout finding gun stats to show the itger side of your argument? I know you wont find any because you simply dont want to and have made up your mibd already.

Joecooool
12-18-2012, 1:00pm
Nobodys mentioned banning guns..only gun control.


You don't have to start a thread, I never even implied you started a thread, but you have been active in them in attempting to make your case for "tighter controls". Anybody attempting to push for tighter controls right now, should be ashamed.

So its your opinion that only gun supporters should have the right to "push their agenda" or even voice their opinion after a tragedy like this?

WTF?

DJ_Critterus
12-18-2012, 1:02pm
Why's gun control being brought up, why were there calls for this shows cancellation again? Oh yah, the left and media is trying to pin this tragedy to gun control. Are you or are you not attempting to seize the moment to push your agenda?
I stand by everything I said.

After reading this post, I jyst had the notion pop into my head that Phil is doing what he CONSTANTLY tells us not to do. Old JC is commenting on an article blah blah blah without having bothered to take the time to read it :funnier:

lander
12-18-2012, 2:56pm
When our "agenda" is the Constitution, then yes.

BADRACR1
12-18-2012, 5:53pm
..and last I checked that chick was a minor, but regardless she looks like a busted giraffe. :island14:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

stingraymyway
12-18-2012, 6:00pm
55% of people killed by guns are suicides, 40% are homicides, 3% are accidents and that remaining 2%? Well, I guess that must be the "far more often" good stuff. :cert:

I figured you show up like that one piece of turd that won't go down with the flush.

Care to post your stats or did you pull these out of your ass or off some little known lib blog like you always do?

I can't believe you are brain dead enough to blame a suicide and a murder on a gun. If those people wanted to kill themselves they would. We had soldiers placed on a 24 hour watch for suicide many times and took their weapons. One person managed to still go through with killing himself despite having his weapon taken even though he wasn't being watched anymore. Blame the gun...:rolleyes:

and murder. Right, that's the gun's fault and not the criminal's. Sure, the gun may have made it easier, but apparently nothing else was there to stop the criminal like, oh let's say, your beloved gun laws or my beloved armed citizen practicing self defense.

*edited: i said some stuff to Phil that I would never apologize for, but the lib koolaid stirrer isn't worth the definite bannage I'd get.

You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without killing someone, right?
You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without shooting someone, right?
You do realize that a gun can be used for self-defense without ever actually firing it, right?

Those would be the stats that you ignore...

And on top of all that, he screwed up his avatar. :crazy:

DJ_Critterus
12-18-2012, 6:07pm
And on top of all that, he screwed up his avatar. :crazy:

I bet it was never OK with his wife in the first place and she leveled one of those evil guns on him lest he decided to keep it posted :funnier: