Dear NBC

[Stangkiller]

I was watching a decent game between two terrible teams. Your oppinions on guns are not welcome. Ill be watching something else this evening.

Bob Costas guns - YouTube

[Aflac]

me too. i used to have respect for both Bob Costas and Jason Whitlock...

[lander]

I changed over to watch golf. :seasix:

[JRD77VET]

I was watching a decent game between two terrible teams. Your oppinions on guns are not welcome. Ill be watching something else this evening.

NBC.com | TV Network for Primetime, Daytime and Late Night Television Shows (http://www.nbc.com/)

bottom left is "contact us"

[John Wiz]

Funny, wife and I said the same thing. Guns do not kill people, it was a tragic event but it was done by an individual. I also don't understand the desire to create a memorial for this person, he killed his girlfriend and left a 3 month old without a mother. What is there to memorialize?

[Stangkiller]

NBC.com | TV Network for Primetime, Daytime and Late Night Television Shows (http://www.nbc.com/)

bottom left is "contact us"

Comment sent.

[JRD77VET]

Comment sent.

I ended with "the V chip in my TV will make sure I never accidently watch any of your programming again" :D

[Low12s]

Dumb comments (by NBC), this is reverberating in many places.

[Stangkiller]

Dumb comments (by NBC), this is reverberating in many places.

I've been a bit surprised seeing some of the people commenting on this on Facebook.

[FasterTraffic]

I was watching a decent game between two terrible teams. Your oppinions on guns are not welcome. Ill be watching something else this evening.

:confused5: :bigears:

[MEANZ06]

Glad I missed it :D

[Stangkiller]

:confused5: :bigears:

Bob Costas read an opinion piece which he claimed he couldn't say any btter himself. The piece was an attack on gun ownership claiming handguns don't make us safer, and if handguns were available these two people wouldn't be dead. What horseshit to try and use this tragedy to push your political agenda.

[marrepka]

:confused5: :bigears:

Coming out of the halftime break of the Dal Philly game, Costas used the Belcher tragedy as a soap box to make is personal/political views on gun control be known to all that happened to be watching.

[lander]

Dammit the Golf channel is an NBC station too.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

It's like that other football player that shot his wife - OJ Simpson.


Oh, wait.

[Stangkiller]

Holy crap! Look at the comments on the NBC football page, on their last picture! 900+ comments complaining about Costas rant.


https://www.facebook.com/SNFonNBC

[FasterTraffic]

Bob Costas read an opinion piece which he claimed he couldn't say any btter himself. The piece was an attack on gun ownership claiming handguns don't make us safer, and if handguns were available these two people wouldn't be dead. What horseshit to try and use this tragedy to push your political agenda.

Coming out of the halftime break of the Dal Philly game, Costas used the Belcher tragedy as a soap box to make is personal/political views on gun control be known to all that happened to be watching.

He's got a point seeing as how nobody was ever murdered prior to the invention of handguns.

Holy crap! Look at the comments on the NBC football page, on their last picture! 900+ comments complaining about Costas rant.

Link? I haven't been able to find it.

[Ol Timer]

I can only hope Costas' quote will do for his career what Howard Cosell's "little monkey" comment did for his three decades ago.

Wrong audience, Bobby.

[Stangkiller]

He's got a point seeing as how nobody was ever murdered prior to the invention of handguns.



Link? I haven't been able to find it.

Fixed https://www.facebook.com/SNFonNBC

It's the picture of the cameraman and the field, with a description of 17-10.

[Norm]

Comment sent.

Ditto.

[marrepka]

Loved the "It wasn't his fault, the microphone made him say it" comments. :lol:

[Craig]

They love it. They're a bunch of liberal, self important elitists and they don't care what you think, but they do love the attention, even if it's negative.

[Chris Fowler]

Glad I muted halftime...

[JRD77VET]

They love it. They're a bunch of liberal, self important elitists and they don't care what you think, but they do love the attention, even if it's negative.

You have to hit 'em in the wallet. I also included in my comments that now I know what products to avoid (sponsors) .

[FasterTraffic]

Fixed https://www.facebook.com/SNFonNBC

It's the picture of the cameraman and the field, with a description of 17-10.

Thanks. Had to borrow the wife's Facebook account to read the comments.

I'm +1 on the "Fire Bob Costas" train.

[DAB]

Without words, bob wouldn't be able to express stupid thoughts. Time to ban words.

[Aflac]

Does a gun kill a person on it's own? I have yet to ever see a gun rise up on its own and shoot someone.

it aint the gun, but the idiot holding it.

[vetteman9368]

Does a gun kill a person on it's own? I have yet to ever see a gun rise up on its own and shoot someone.

it aint the gun, but the idiot holding it.

Idiot being the operative word

[bsmith]

In honor of Mr Costas, I think I am going to call about that Kimber Ultra Carry II I was checking out this weekend...

[VatorMan]

Thanks. Had to borrow the wife's Facebook account to read the comments.

I'm +1 on the "Fire Bob Costas" train.


Joined that group as well.

[FasterTraffic]

Without words, bob wouldn't be able to express stupid thoughts. Time to ban words.

On the bright side, every criminal on Facebook now has a pretty good idea that Bob Costas isn't going to shoot them during a break-in or mugging.

[Punk Boy]

460 members of the fire bob costas facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/groups/506522916035692/

[ft laud mike]

Funny, wife and I said the same thing. Guns do not kill people, it was a tragic event but it was done by an individual. I also don't understand the desire to create a memorial for this person, he killed his girlfriend and left a 3 month old without a mother. What is there to memorialize?

:iagree: memorialize a pos murderer?

[MrPeabody]

On the bright side, every criminal on Facebook now has a pretty good idea that Bob Costas isn't going to shoot them during a break-in or mugging.

I'm sure, like Rosie O'Donnell, he has body guards to handle that.

[Stangkiller]

Updated with an awful yt version.

Bob Costas guns - YouTube

[island14]

It's like that other football player that shot his wife - OJ Simpson.


Oh, wait.

They should also ban knives ? :island14:


:lol:

[island14]

Updated with an awful yt version.

Bob Costas guns - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbUf4GZrMk&sns=em)

Someone needs to edit the ending of this video so he gets shot... :lol:

[99 pewtercoupe]

I'm sure, like Rosie O'Donnell, he has body guards to handle that.

saw a great bumper sticker on a truck yesterday

"guns dont kill people, just like spoons didn't make Rosie ODonnell fat"

[RedLS1GTO]

Like any other liberal f*ckwad...

Never let a good tragedy go to waste.

[Bucwheat]

Holy crap! Look at the comments on the NBC football page, on their last picture! 900+ comments complaining about Costas rant.


https://www.facebook.com/SNFonNBC

Good!

[Bingo Fuel]

I'm sure, like Rosie O'Donnell, he has body guards to handle that.

Rosie wouldn't be fat if spoons and forks were outlawed.
Wait, I guess they'd then have to outlaw pig troughs.
It never ends.

Olbermann was another idiot that couldn't contain his personal agenda.
They yanked him from SNF.

[Stangkiller]

I also left a comment with the NfL asking how they planned to distance themselves from those leftist comments

[boracayjohnny]

They should also ban knives ? :island14:


:lol:

As Tim also knows, guns are outlawed in the Philippines. Take a guess at how many folks have guns? I'll answer for ya, anyone who wants one. How many people are killed yearly by guns? A lot.

So, outlawing guns really does keep them from people. :seasix: /sarcasm

[Joecooool]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

[island14]

As Tim also knows, guns are outlawed in the Philippines. Take a guess at how many folks have guns? I'll answer for ya, anyone who wants one. How many people are killed yearly by guns? A lot.

So, outlawing guns really does keep them from people. :seasix: /sarcasm


And they make em cheap here also.. :yesnod:

But I would guess more got hacked up with bolo's, or got hit in the head by a falling coconut.

[DAB]

And Jim gray just joined bob as a stupid on fox news.

We should regulate words and thoughts if joe cooool is right.

[Cybercowboy]

I wonder what caliber knife OJ used to kill Nicole and Ron?

[Hoog]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd78/DrunkenMime_bucket/Forum_Gifs_Pics_Econs/bobNoj.jpeg

[island14]

I wonder what caliber knife OJ used to kill Nicole and Ron?

I was just reading somewhere today that some serial killer who knew Nicole now claims to have been the one that killed them..

Who woulda thunk it.. :island14:

[Bingo Fuel]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

Interesting POV.
So what type of "reasonable restrictions" would have prevented any
normal law abiding citizen from purchasing and owning any type of weapon,
and in an unpredictable future Psychotic break, prevent them from using it.

Maybe mandatory daily mental health evaluations for all citizens as part of the
new health care plan?

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

You've got to make up your mind, Phil - Is it our stance on religion and healthcare that will be our undoing, or our stance on guns?

Should it just be the whole Bill of Rights that will undo us?

You don't seem to understand that licensing and regulation don't deter those who wish to commit crimes. This Linebacker isn't the victim of his gun. He's a cold-blooded murderer who would have killed with a knife, a baseball bat or whatever was handy.

Does not being able to legally get ahold of a registered firearm deter criminals? Let's see - Chicago and New York neither allow guns at all. So obviously there's no gun violence there.

[VITE1]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.


The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html)


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The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.


Read more: The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html#ixzz2E0IhyIjs)
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Look how well the government protects those who have been denied the right to self defense?

Imagine how well government will run their HC programs.

[island14]

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd78/DrunkenMime_bucket/Forum_Gifs_Pics_Econs/bobNoj.jpeg


:lol:

[Stangkiller]

Look how well the government protects those who have been denied the right to self defense?

Imagine who well government will run their HC programs.

It's not about better protecting or serving the people, it's about social justice, and protecting the government so it can continue to enforce 'social justice'.

[onedef92]

What was ol' boy driving? A Maybach or Bentley Coupe? Did anyone see the video of his car being trailered away from the stadium Saturday?

[DJ_Critterus]

was watching as I was cleaning a gun. good thing the magazine and ammo were elsewhere :mad:

[DAB]

good thing pro athletes always show proper gun handling.

http://images.thepostgame.com/sites/default/files/Spurs%20Joey%20Crawford%20%282%29.jpg

Embarrassing Photo Of Spurs Players Leaked | ThePostGame (http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201212/embarrassing-photo-spurs-players-leaked-online)

[Bingo Fuel]

What was ol' boy driving? A Maybach or Bentley Coupe? Did anyone see the video of his car being trailered away from the stadium Saturday?


2007 Bentley Continental GT

[Stangkiller]

2007 Bentley Continental GT

Damn nearly 6 model years old. OUCH.

[Broken Wind]

I love it. First Phil lectures us on how obama won the election because I watch fox news, and now he's going to tell me that my position on gun control is going to lead to a gun ban.

This coming from a guy who thinks laser engraving bullets will reduce gun crime.

Phil, seriously, you need help dude.

[PortDawg]

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

I have a problem with people who infringe on my Rights, seems others don't.

[Sea Six]

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he doesn't want anyone to own one.

[onedef92]

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he doesn't want anyone to own one.

A liberal's just a conservative who hasn't been mugged.....yet. :leaving:

[Craig]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

Why don't we just pass a law making it illegal for people to shoot other people?

[Sea Six]

Why don't we just pass a law making it illegal for people to shoot other people?

Best. Response. EVER.



:clap:

[marrepka]

Why don't we just pass a law making it illegal for people to shoot other people?

Or themselves for that matter.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Phil, seriously, you need help dude.
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m672inHdUD1ro6fojo1_400.gif

[DJ_Critterus]

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he doesn't want anyone to own one.

That's why i could never be a lib. The main reason. I want to be able to make my own choices and not be told which choices are made for me especially due to some knee-jerk reaction without any rational thought behind it.

[DJ_Critterus]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

Cheebus, Phil. How do you propose we get the criminal element to abide by these standards, too? Why do you have an issue with people having weapons and being able to protect themselves, hunt, sport shoot etc... but think nothing of the fact that most of the asinine gun laws in place mean ABSO****INGLUTELY NOTHING to criminals who the libs think these laws will effect.

You should put more thought into this subject like you want us to and stop repeating talking points.

[island14]

Just found this reading the news.. kinda seems like having guns (or grenades) being against the law don't matter much to some.. :D

5 carjacking suspects, hostage killed in shootout with cops - Yahoo! News Philippines (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/5-carjacking-suspects-hostage-killed-shootout-cops-171844971.html)

But instead of yielding, the suspects shot at a police team sent to the area to verify the report, triggering a brief exchange of gunfire.

Police recovered from the slain suspects two .45 caliber pistols, two .38 caliber revolvers and a fragmentation grenade, which one of the slain suspects tried to detonate before he was shot dead.

[DJ_Critterus]

Just found this reading the news.. kinda seems like having guns (or grenades) being against the law don't matter much to some.. :D

5 carjacking suspects, hostage killed in shootout with cops - Yahoo! News Philippines (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/5-carjacking-suspects-hostage-killed-shootout-cops-171844971.html)

These criminals obviously cared about adhering to all of the gun and weapons laws currently in place. :rolleyes: Yet another example of why gun laws only serve to assist the criminal element.

[vetteman9368]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.


When guns are outlawed, I'm pretty sure it's your side that will have the BIG problem on your hands. Because if you think people are just going to hand them over, you got another thing coming. Costas, and anyone who agrees with him is an idiot.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Costas, and anyone who agrees with him is an idiot.
Costas needs to STFU.

[lander]

You guys really need to stop responding to Joecooooooool...he sits back and reads all the responses and faps to them.

[FasterTraffic]

If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one.

If a liberal doesn't like guns, he doesn't want anyone to own one.

:seasix:

[DAB]

You guys really need to stop responding to Joecooooooool...he sits back and reads all the responses and faps to them.

you could go blind fapping, so i hear.

[GentleBen]

Since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

And what happens when the pendulum swings the other way and all of the socialist agenda since WW II is finally scrapped? Please remember that the right to own guns is contained within the Constitution . . . which does not, come to think of it, mention health care anywhere in it that I can find.

[RedLS1GTO]

And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

An estimated 47% of American households have at least 1 gun.

I would love to see you and your 53% come and try to take them.

Let me know how that works out for you.

[onedef92]

An estimated 47% of American households have at least 1 gun.

I would love to see you and your 53% come and try to take them.

Let me know how that works out for you.

Red Dawn is just a fantasy. No military force on earth could overtake America using conventional weaponry. We simply have too many armed citizens. :seasix:

[VatorMan]

JC- as said above, that only takes care of the legal gun owners. The criminals will always find a way to get one. Such a sweeping change in the gun laws only hurts the law abiding citizen.

Crimes that involve the use of firearms should be weighted without prejudice and carried out to their full terms.

[RedLS1GTO]

Dangers are everywhere. We need to protect our citizens from all of them... no need to stop with evil guns.

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m111/onedef92/Girl-bitten-SeaWorld-jpg.jpg

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on dolphin laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a dolphin license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to feed a dolphin at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable dolphin control, they will be outlawed entirely.

[lander]

you could go blind fapping, so i hear.

Who said that? :confused5:

:D

Let's cut to the chase here. We have to assume the two were arguing, right? So clearly, if they weren't allowed to argue, then nobody's fellings would get hurt, and therefore those two would still be alive today.

So, therefore, the problem is that arguing should be illegal. You should not be allowed to communicate in an unfriendly manner to anyone. We must limit what you are allowed to say.

Problem solved. Gee, wasn't that easy?

[DJ_Critterus]

Red Dawn is just a fantasy. No military force on earth could overtake America using conventional weaponry. We simply have too many armed citizens. :seasix:

Yamamoto realized that and made the statement that behind every rock and tree would be an armed citizen if the U.S. mainland was attacked. Now about half of us believe in self defense. It's sad.

[DAB]

Who said that? :confused5:

:D

Let's cut to the chase here. We have to assume the two were arguing, right? So clearly, if they weren't allowed to argue, then nobody's fellings would get hurt, and therefore those two would still be alive today.

So, therefore, the problem is that arguing should be illegal. You should not be allowed to communicate in an unfriendly manner to anyone. We must limit what you are allowed to say.

Problem solved. Gee, wasn't that easy?

or....

they were not married, clearly, you should not be allowed to have a girl friend and make a baby without first getting married. and if that was the case, this never would have happened.

or maybe they ate fried chicken the night before....no more fried chicken allowed.

or maybe driving the bentley affected his decision making....no more bentleys.....

[lander]

or....

they were not married, clearly, you should not be allowed to have a girl friend and make a baby without first getting married. and if that was the case, this never would have happened.

or maybe they ate fried chicken the night before....no more fried chicken allowed.

or maybe driving the bentley affected his decision making....no more bentleys.....

Good timing...as I was just reading an article along those lines...the real problem here is morons that believe the gun was responsible, and not their failed beliefs...

CNN Blames Culture of 'Manliness' For Belcher Murder/Suicide (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/03/CNN-culture-of-manliness-Belcher)


What is this other way? Less male role models? Belcher had none. Less manliness? Belcher wasn’t manly – he never married his girlfriend and clearly didn’t care enough about his child not to murder her mother. Less traditional values? Belcher didn’t do this because he was gay, and put upon by the traditional values establishment. He did this because he had no traditional values.


If we are going to blame society for Belcher, let’s look at some real societal problems: single motherhood, tolerance for antisocial behavior, lack of behavioral standards, multicultural acceptance of sexism. But the media is intent on blaming conservative ideals, from gun rights to traditional manliness, for what is very clearly a breach with any conservative ideals whatsoever.

The first group in line, behind Belcher who is ultimately responsible for his actions, are the idiotic left wing nuts that dispense with the values that made this country what it was up until a few decades ago...when they "took over" with their ridiculous beliefs.

Yet they think we'll just "turn in" our guns? Lol...idiots...we have guns!

[VITE1]

Good timing...as I was just reading an article along those lines...the real problem here is morons that believe the gun was responsible, and not their failed beliefs...

CNN Blames Culture of 'Manliness' For Belcher Murder/Suicide (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/03/CNN-culture-of-manliness-Belcher)



The first group in line, behind Belcher who is ultimately responsible for his actions, are the idiotic left wing nuts that dispense with the values that made this country what it was up until a few decades ago...when they "took over" with their ridiculous beliefs.

Yet they think we'll just "turn in" our guns? Lol...idiots...we have guns!


The NAACP and HHS along with Cato institute published just that in 1995. No one cares because it does not Feel right to the leftists.
Relationship Between the Welfare State and Crime - June 7, 1995 (http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wc67.html)






Testimony

ofMichael Tanner
Director of Health and Welfare Studies
Cato Institute

before the

Subcommittee on Youth Violence
Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate

Relationship Between the Welfare State and Crime

June 7, 1995


Mr. Chairman, Distinguished Members of the Committee:

My name is Michael Tanner and I am the director of health and welfare studies at the Cato Institute. I appreciate the opportunity to appear before the committee on an issue of extreme importance to the American people. There is no doubt that juvenile crime is a serious and continuing problem in this country. There are many factors contributing to the rise in juvenile violence and crime, from the glorification of violence in the media to the failure of the "war on drugs." But, today, I would like to focus on a factor that has received far less attention -- the relationship between the welfare state and crime.

Last year, the Maryland NAACP released a report concluding that "the ready access to a lifetime of welfare and free social service programs is a major contributory factor to the crime problems we face today."(1) Their conclusion appears to be confirmed by academic research. For example, research by Dr. June O'Neill's and Anne Hill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services showed that a 50 percent increase in the monthly value of combined AFDC and food stamp benefits led to a 117 percent increase in the crime rate among young black men.(2)

Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior.(3) Moreover, O'Neill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)

As Barbara Dafoe Whitehead noted in her seminal article for The Atlantic Monthly:


The relationship [between single-parent families and crime] is so strong that controlling for family configuration erases the relationship between race and crime and between low income and crime. This conclusion shows up time and again in the literature. The nation's mayors, as well as police officers, social workers, probation officers, and court officials, consistently point to family break up as the most important source of rising rates of crime.(6)

At the same time, the evidence of a link between the availability of welfare and out-of-wedlock births is overwhelming. There have been 13 major studies of the relationship between the availability of welfare benefits and out-of-wedlock birth. Of these, 11 found a statistically significant correlation. Among the best of these studies is the work done by June O'Neill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Holding constant a wide range of variables, including income, education, and urban vs. suburban setting, the study found that a 50 percent increase in the value of AFDC and foodstamp payments led to a 43 percent increase in the number of out-of-wedlock births.(7) Likewise, research by Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick of the University of Washington showed that an increase in welfare benefits of $200 per month per family increased the rate of out-of-wedlock births among teenagers by 150 percent.(8)

The same results can be seen from welfare systems in other countries. For example, a recent study of the impact of Canada's social-welfare system on family structure concluded that "providing additional benefits to single parents encourages births of children to unwed women."(9)

Of course women do not get pregnant just to get welfare benefits. It is also true that a wide array of other social factors has contributed to the growth in out-of-wedlock births. But, by removing the economic consequences of a out-of-wedlock birth, welfare has removed a major incentive to avoid such pregnancies. A teenager looking around at her friends and neighbors is liable to see several who have given birth out of wedlock. When she sees that they have suffered few visible immediate consequences (the very real consequences of such behavior are often not immediately apparent), she is less inclined to modify her own behavior to prevent pregnancy.

Proof of this can be found in a study by Professor Ellen Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania, who surveyed black, never-pregnant females age 17 or younger. Only 40% of those surveyed said that they thought becoming pregnant in the next year "would make their situation worse."(10) Likewise, a study by Professor Laurie Schwab Zabin for the Journal of Research on Adolescence found that: "in a sample of inner-city black teens presenting for pregnancy tests, we reported that more than 31 percent of those who elected to carry their pregnancy to term told us, before their pregnancy was diagnosed, that they believed a baby would present a problem..."(11) In other words, 69 percent either did not believe having a baby out-of-wedlock would present a problem or were unsure.

Until teenage girls, particularly those living in relative poverty, can be made to see real consequences from pregnancy, it will be impossible to gain control over the problem of out-of- wedlock births. By disguising those consequences, welfare makes it easier for these girls to make the decisions that will lead to unwed motherhood.

Current welfare policies seem to be designed with an appallingly lack of concern for their impact on out-of-wedlock births. Indeed, Medicaid programs in 11 states actually provide infertility treatments to single women on welfare.(12)

I should also point out that, once the child is born, welfare also appears to discourage the mother from marrying in the future. Research by Robert Hutchins of Cornell University shows that a 10 percent increase in AFDC benefits leads to an eight percent decrease in the marriage rate of single mothers.(13)

As welfare contributes to the rise in out-of-wedlock births and single-parent families, it concomitantly contributes to the associated increase in criminal activity.

Secondly, welfare leads to increased crime by contributing to the marginalization of young black men in society. There are certainly many factors contributing to the increasing alienation and marginalization of young black men, including racism, poverty, and the failure of our educational system. However, welfare contributes as well. The welfare culture tells the man he is not a necessary part of the family. They are in effect cuckolded by the state. Their role of father and breadwinner is supplanted by the welfare check.

The role of marriage and family as a civilizing influence on young men has long been discussed. Whether or not strict causation can be proven, it is certainly true that unwed fathers are more likely to use drugs and become involved in criminal behavior.(14) Indeed, single men are five times more likely to commit violent crimes than married men.(15)

Finally, in areas where there is a high concentration of welfare, there may be an almost total lack of male role models. This can lead to crime in two ways. First, as the Maryland NAACP puts it, "A child whose parents draw a welfare check without going to work does not understand that in this society at least one parent is expected to rise five days of each week to go to some type of job."(16)

Second, boys growing up in mother only families naturally seek male influences. Unfortunately, in many inner city neighborhoods, those male role models may not exist. As George Gilder, author of Wealth and Poverty, has noted, the typical inner-city today is "almost a matriarchy. The women receive all the income, dominate the social-worker classes, and most of the schools." Thus, the boy in search of male guidance and companionship may end up in the company of gangs or other undesirable influences.(17)

Given all of the above, I believe it is clear that our current social welfare system is a significant cause of juvenile crime and violence in America today. Exactly how welfare should be reformed is undoubtedly beyond the scope of this hearing. The Cato Institute's position, however, is well known. Our research indicates that the current federal welfare system cannot be reformed. Accordingly, we have suggested that federal funding of welfare should be ended and responsibility for charity should be shifted first to the states and eventually to the private sector.(18)

In conclusion, let me simple say that, whatever Congress eventually decides to do in the way of welfare reform, I hope that you will recognize the disastrous consequences of our current welfare system. The status quo is plainly and simply unacceptable. The relationship between our failed social welfare system and juvenile violence and crime is one more urgent reason for reform.

Thank you. I would be pleased to answer any questions.

[lander]

I'd offer to hold my breath until our resident left wing wacko refuted their finding, but he normally turns tail and runs when confronted with you know, facts.

And shit.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

An estimated 47% of American households have at least 1 gun.

I would love to see you and your 53% come and try to take them.

Let me know how that works out for you.

:sleep: :sleep::lolsmile::spdchk:

[DAB]

so...we should ban welfare! it wouldn't cost much to stop writing checks, and those peeps could go get jobs and pay taxes!!

[Bingo Fuel]

I'd offer to hold my breath until our resident left wing wacko refuted their finding, but he normally turns tail and runs when confronted with you know, facts.

And shit.


I think Phil's a good guy. He trolls to add a little spice.
I appreciate the effort he goes through to entertain.

It would be a disappointment if it were proved that he truly believed in
some of the things he so passionately espouses.

For instance, a true advocate of strict gun control ownership or outright banning
that would celebrate alcohol possession and consumption without the same virtuous
demands for prohibition or proportionately more stringent controls,
would be a hypocrite of enormous proportions.

Moral credibility lost. :sadangel:

Worldwide annual alcohol related deaths: 2.5 million
Worldwide annual firearm related deaths: 100k

U.S. annual alcohol related deaths: 75k
U.S. annual firearm related deaths: 9k

Any healthcare system, socialist or otherwise, would benefit far greater from the
prohibition of alcohol than firearms.
Wait, wasn't there a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol at one time?
That worked well.
And a lot of folks are enjoying the legal freedom to enjoy themselves that the repeal allowed.

He's just yanking chains. :cert:


http://i.imgur.com/cdJZyh.jpg

[VITE1]

so...we should ban welfare! it wouldn't cost much to stop writing checks, and those peeps could go get jobs and pay taxes!!

Yes we should. Welfare is a cancer in America and it is destroying it.

[BADRACR1]

F*ck bob costas :kick::slap:








(I didn't capitalize on purpose. He doesn't deserve my respect.)

[Stangkiller]

I must say I'm a bit surprised and disappointed by the lack of response from NBC or NFL.

[DAB]

I must say I'm a bit surprised and disappointed by the lack of response from NBC or NFL.

NBC didn't fire him. Must agree with him.

Nfl has their money. Don't care what bob says, only cares that ratings are up so they can sell broadcast rights for more next time around.

[Cybercowboy]

Bob did his job. Misdirect from head injuries and painkillers.

[ft laud mike]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.

You guys really need to re-evaluate your position. Your absolute inability to compromise on guns laws will be your undoing.

It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

But your side just won't have it. And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes. I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

The difference between driving & gun ownership is : 1 is outline as a right in the Constitution, while dtiving is a privelege

[Iron Chef]

I must say I'm a bit surprised and disappointed by the lack of response from NBC or NFL.

Why should you be surprised? This whole Costas thing was a non-issue to begin with. Nothing Bob Costas says will have any effect whatsoever on the crime rate, gun ownership, or anything remotely close. He's a sports announcer spouting off during halftime of a football game. And no one cares. Yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut, but his BS has the same impact that all the other pablum that they try to pass off as entertainment during halftime does.

Anyone who thinks NBC or the NFL gives two shits is out of their tree. And yeah..."I'm gonna stop watching the NFL on NBC and stop buying the advertisers products!!!" Sure you are. For what...a day? Or until your team is in the big game on NBC and someone comes over to watch it and brings Doritos and queso, or whatever. :spdchk:

The only thing Costas accomplished was riling up all the armchair quarterbacks who will run to their favorite online forum or talk show host to whine for 15 minutes about what an asshole he is.

[lander]

Yup. You see not one boycott has ever worked. Not one Internet campaign has ever changed one thing.

Nope.

Never.

Not one.

And joecooooooool this moment is paying the papa John's delivery driver.

[Stangkiller]

Why should you be surprised? This whole Costas thing was a non-issue to begin with. Nothing Bob Costas says will have any effect whatsoever on the crime rate, gun ownership, or anything remotely close. He's a sports announcer spouting off during halftime of a football game. And no one cares. Yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut, but his BS has the same impact that all the other pablum that they try to pass off as entertainment during halftime does.

Anyone who thinks NBC or the NFL gives two shits is out of their tree. And yeah..."I'm gonna stop watching the NFL on NBC and stop buying the advertisers products!!!" Sure you are. For what...a day? Or until your team is in the big game on NBC and someone comes over to watch it and brings Doritos and queso, or whatever. :spdchk:

The only thing Costas accomplished was riling up all the armchair quarterbacks who will run to their favorite online forum or talk show host to whine for 15 minutes about what an asshole he is.

It would seem to me it's in the NFLs best interest to keep the partisan politics out of it, and to try to politicize an NFL players tragedy just seems disrespectful and disgusting. I'd have hoped the NFL would have stood up to defend one of their own.

[Craig]

Why should you be surprised? This whole Costas thing was a non-issue to begin with. Nothing Bob Costas says will have any effect whatsoever on the crime rate, gun ownership, or anything remotely close. He's a sports announcer spouting off during halftime of a football game. And no one cares. Yeah, he should have kept his mouth shut, but his BS has the same impact that all the other pablum that they try to pass off as entertainment during halftime does.

Anyone who thinks NBC or the NFL gives two shits is out of their tree. And yeah..."I'm gonna stop watching the NFL on NBC and stop buying the advertisers products!!!" Sure you are. For what...a day? Or until your team is in the big game on NBC and someone comes over to watch it and brings Doritos and queso, or whatever. :spdchk:

The only thing Costas accomplished was riling up all the armchair quarterbacks who will run to their favorite online forum or talk show host to whine for 15 minutes about what an asshole he is.



And like I said before, they love the attention; negative attention is still attention. Costass, NFL, NBC...all high fiving.

[VatorMan]

And like I said before, they love the attention; negative attention is still attention. Costass, NFL, NBC...all high fiving.

:withstupid:

[Craig]

I’m sure they’re all secretly hoping that there will be continued public outcry, so Costasshole can go on prime time with Babawah Waddlers, crying, mascara running down his face, talking about how misunderstood he is… There will be still, black and white photos of him, as a happy child, his parents doting on him…

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I’m sure they’re all secretly hoping that there will be continued public outcry, so Costasshole can go on prime time with Babawah Waddlers, crying, mascara running down his face, talking about how misunderstood he is… There will be still, black and white photos of him, as a happy child, his parents doting on him…

I wouldn't hold my breath. :sleep:

[Craig]

I wouldn't hold my breath. :sleep:

Nah, I was on a roll, we're already losing intrest...

...on to the next outrage...

[erickpl]

I don't disagree with anything he said. And no where in there did he call for the banning of guns.
So if there had been no guns, they'd still be alive? Nevermind knives, fists, baseball bats, or coffee mugs... yes coffee mugs. That statement alone is the one thing that really sets me off. The gun didn't cause the tragedy. Yes, it was the tool he used, but minus a gun, something else could have been used.


It should be at least as hard to get a gun license as it is to get a drivers license. People should have to pass mental screenings and loop holes that allow anyone to buy a gun at a show should be closed.

Be careful of THAT slippery slope. Allowing psych evals and mental screenings as a precondition for things... reading some posts of here would disqualify most of us.

And getting a gun license DOES require a background check, including criminal records and jail time. You cannot disqualify somebody for something they MIGHT do based on a psych eval... You know, that whole Innocent until PROVEN Guilty thing. But don't let the Constitution get in your way, it's just paper right? I went through a thorough background check for my carry license, and had no problems. But I've gone through them as part of my employment too.

While I do agree there are some loopholes that seem crazy and should be addressed, you will NEVER EVER EVER stop somebody from getting their hands on something if they want it badly enough. Want proof? See Chicago and NYC and their gun crimes.

And since you are completely unreasonable, eventually the public will have had enough and instead of reasonable gun control, they will be outlawed entirely.

The pro-gun side is no less reasonable than the anti-gun side. The pro-gun side DOES feel there are many who shouldn't have guns and laws exist to prevent that. But a LAW is just a LAW. A person intent on doing harm to somebody (which is illegal by the way) will not give a rat's ass about a law preventing them from obtaining a firearm.

Look at health care. Your side had forever to put together a solution and sat on their asses. When the other side got elected in, they had the public support for massive sweeping changes.

Yeah, my "Affordable" health care went from reasonable to freakin' insane. We will be basically be paying 15,000 out of pocket PER YEAR MORE than this year, and getting LESS coverage, a higher deductible, and a higher premium. I hope everybody is enjoying having me help pay their bills.

Enable interstate commerce for insurance and let me buy insurance from Missouri, Alaska, Hawaii, Alabama, or Tennessee. Let them compete and let the market drive the rates. This effective monopoly in each state sucks.

I'm telling you the same thing will happen with guns. Enact reasonable restrictions and enhance the licensing requirement or I promise you eventually you will have to turn them in.

Those reasonable restrictions are already in place. But again, criminals have shown little interest in following them. And last time I checked, this isn't "Minority Report" stuff where you can predict the future crimes and what somebody may or may not do. No red balls here.

What is sad and will be lost in all of this is the fact that a 3 month old baby now has no mother and no father. The father couldn't contain any rage or anger he had and seek help. So he killed a woman, then performed the ultimate cowardly act of killing himself to avoid dealing with an issue that could be resolved. A permanent solution to a temporary problem. No matter the choice of weapon, that child has to live in a world where she won't know her parents other than the fact that her dad was a strong football play, but an emotional trainwreck that decided to ruin HER chance to know her parents.

And for that, HE is a worthless POS.

[Iron Chef]

It would seem to me it's in the NFLs best interest to keep the partisan politics out of it, and to try to politicize an NFL players tragedy just seems disrespectful and disgusting. I'd have hoped the NFL would have stood up to defend one of their own.

I 100% agree with you. Like I said, he should have kept his mouth shut. But what's the NFL going to say? Unfortunately, Costas' bully pulpit was cloaked in sympathy for the player, so nothing they could have said would have sounded right. And the NFL is far too big a juggernaut to care about the rantings of a sportscaster. So in reality, their best option was to not respond and just let it go away, which it has.

My point here is that in the big picture, what Costas said was really meaningless. And viewers should have treated it as such. All this angst and anger is kinda wasted energy IMHO.

[Bingo Fuel]

On ESPN early this morning, they said that Costas had spoken with
one of them, was apologetic and wished he could take back his comments.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Chef, the gun lobby needs SOMETHING to get lathered up about, and this latest incident was tailor made for outrage.

Nevermind Costas is a buffoon and should have been ignored BEFORE this.

[lander]

On ESPN early this morning, they said that Costas had spoken with
one of them, was apologetic and wished he could take back his comments.


He doesn't have to take them back, he's welcome to hold those opinions. That's not the issue. The issue was his pulpit from which he is able to inject his opinions.

What he needs to do, what he should do, is begin the program Sunday night with an apology for misusing his pulpit to put forward his opinion on that matter.

[Stangkiller]

He doesn't have to take them back, he's welcome to hold those opinions. That's not the issue. The issue was his pulpit from which he is able to inject his opinions.

What he needs to do, what he should do, is begin the program Sunday night with an apology for misusing his pulpit to put forward his opinion on that matter.

:iagree::yesnod:

[Cybercowboy]

“Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.”

George Washington First President of the United States

[Bingo Fuel]

He doesn't have to take them back, he's welcome to hold those opinions. That's not the issue. The issue was his pulpit from which he is able to inject his opinions.

What he needs to do, what he should do, is begin the program Sunday night with an apology for misusing his pulpit to put forward his opinion on that matter.

:iagree:

[dwjz06]

Yeah Costas is a putz. Not really new news:D:cert:

[Iron Chef]

Chef, the gun lobby needs SOMETHING to get lathered up about, and this latest incident was tailor made for outrage.

Nevermind Costas is a buffoon and should have been ignored BEFORE this.

Meh...what the gun lobby or the anti-gun lobby thinks is of little concern to me. And I don't mind Costas. He's no Jack Buck or Vin Scully, but ok as sportscasters go. He just needs to remember what he's saying and who he's saying it to. There's a time and place for everything and this wasn't it.

[RedLS1GTO]

Be careful of THAT slippery slope. Allowing psych evals and mental screenings as a precondition for things...

Letting an overfunded, guaranteed to be corrupt, government entity decide who should and who should not be legally allowed to own firearms based COMPLETELY on a non-factual and interperetive basis... yea. That sounds reasonable. :rolleyes:

[GentleBen]

Comment sent to NBC and a complaint has been sent to the FCC.

[TripleBlack]

Costas should have spoken about the number of domestic abuse cases involving NFL players and what role the NFL might play in that.

[Iron Chef]

Comment sent to NBC and a complaint has been sent to the FCC.

Atta boy. :seasix: :rofl:

[FasterTraffic]

Costas should have spoken about the number of domestic abuse cases involving NFL players and what role the NFL might play in that.

Is the rate of spousal abuse among NFL players higher than the general population?

[syf350]

Perhaps U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count: In last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago

221 killed in Iraq during same time AND Chicago has one of strictest gun
laws in entire US

Does THAT tell you anything?

President: Barack Hussein Obama

Senator: Dick Durbin

House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Governor: Pat Quinn

House leader: Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

Thank you for combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Chicago school system rated one of worst in country.

State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

(Look 'em up if you want).

This is political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

[TripleBlack]

Is the rate of spousal abuse among NFL players higher than the general population?

Don't know but probably not since in general most people suck.

That said, there have been a number of highly publicized cases of domestic violence in the NFL and a discussion of that by a sportscaster makes more sense to me than promoting an anti gun agenda.

[Ol Timer]

Chef, the gun lobby needs SOMETHING to get lathered up about, and this latest incident was tailor made for outrage.

Nevermind Costas is a buffoon and should have been ignored BEFORE this.

I suspect that Bobby's soliloquy created a windfall for the NRA. Unintended consequences.

[Bingo Fuel]

Costas should have spoken about the number of domestic abuse cases involving NFL players and what role the NFL might play in that.

Is the rate of spousal abuse among NFL players higher than the general population?


Link to study and statistics (http://www.stat.duke.edu/%7Edalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf). (pdf).

[Loco Vette]

Costas should have spoken about the number of domestic abuse cases involving NFL players and what role the NFL might play in that.
:hurray::)

What about the Steve McNair, shot by his GF? Where was Costas on this.

[78SA]

Is the rate of spousal abuse among NFL players higher than the general population?

Only among the ones without guns. The ones with have their guns kill their spouse/gf for them.

[marrepka]

Costas is scheduled to appear on the O'Reilly tomorrow night, should be interesting to see if Bill roasts him or not.

[Craig]

Costas is scheduled to appear on the O'Reilly tomorrow night, should be interesting to see if Bill roasts him or not.

I hope he cries.

[99 pewtercoupe]

Perhaps U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count: In last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago

221 killed in Iraq during same time AND Chicago has one of strictest gun
laws in entire US

Does THAT tell you anything?

President: Barack Hussein Obama

Senator: Dick Durbin

House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Governor: Pat Quinn

House leader: Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

Thank you for combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Chicago school system rated one of worst in country.

State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

(Look 'em up if you want).

This is political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

Welcome to the Hellinois I live in

[RedLS1GTO]

Welcome to the Hellinois I live in

I can't even stand to drive through the place.

Welcome to the libtard vision of Amerika.

[VatorMan]

Perhaps U.S. should pull out of Chicago ?

Body count: In last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago

221 killed in Iraq during same time AND Chicago has one of strictest gun
laws in entire US

Does THAT tell you anything?

President: Barack Hussein Obama

Senator: Dick Durbin

House Representative: Jesse Jackson Jr.

Governor: Pat Quinn

House leader: Mike Madigan

Atty. Gen.: Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)

Mayor: Rahm Emanuel

The leadership in Illinois - all Democrats.

Thank you for combat zone in Chicago .

Of course, they all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans; there aren't any!

Chicago school system rated one of worst in country.

State pension fund $78 Billion in debt, worst in country.

Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.

(Look 'em up if you want).

This is political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .


:withstupid: The #1 reason that ANYONE that votes for ANYONE from Illinois is a F'n idiot.

[babablackgoat]

Nation Broadcasters of Communism

[onedef92]

NFL linebacker's mother screams as his baby cries in 911 tapes

updated 11:47 AM EST, Wed December 5, 2012

(CNN) -- Inside the Kansas City home that Jovan Belcher fled, his baby daughter wailed, his mother was in hysterics and his girlfriend was quiet. Barely breathing.

This is what the NFL linebacker left behind on Saturday in a rush of violence that left many wondering why.

Few answers came from 911 tapes released this week by police. But the tapes provide a heartbreaking soundtrack of the fleeting moments the morning that police say Belcher killed his girlfriend Kassandra Perkins and then later turned the gun on himself just outside the front door of the Chiefs' practice facility.

"Oh my God. Oh my God. Kasi," Belcher's mother, Cheryl Shepherd, bawled. "The baby is crying ... Please get the ambulance here!"

"OK, we're on the way," the dispatcher said. "We've been on the way the whole time. How old is the patient?"

"Twenty-two," the mother said.

"Is she breathing?" the dispatcher asked.

"She is still breathing but barely. Please hurry. I don't know how many times he shot her. They had been arguing ..." the mother said.

"OK, she's been shot?" the dispatcher asked.

Then moments later the mother seemed to direct her shouts to the wounded woman in the home.

"You hear me? Kassandra! Hey!. Stay with me!"

"Ma'am," the dispatcher said. "Listen. Is she awake?"

"She's barely," the mother said. "She's just barely. She is moving when I talk to her."

"OK," the dispatcher said.

"Oh, God," the mother moaned.

"Is she bleeding?" The dispatcher asked.

"Yes, she is ...."

But the rest of what's said was obscured by the screams of the young child.

A police officer gets on the phone and tries to get information about Belcher from the distraught mother.

The mother did not answer questions about the whereabouts of her 6-foot-2, 228-pound son, a standout 25-year-old starting linebacker for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Instead, in a voice rising as the moments passed, the mother begged for an ambulance.

"Ma'am, the ambulance is on the way. What's your son's name? What kind of car did your son leave in? Or was he on foot?" the officer said.

There was no response.

"Sounds like she disconnected," the dispatcher said. "I wanted to give her some bleeding advice also ... Ma'am, are you there?"

But there was no response.

And all that can be heard are the screams of the baby.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I hope he cries.

You just wanna see his mascara run.