Yes he DID, have to die.......

[mrvette]

Hoodie punk with 16X arrest record, tries to steal some electronic crap from Walmart in DeKalb Co. Ga. and so the security guard and some other workers get into a fight with him in the parking lot, and to the punk is dead.....

Neil Boortz says he DID have to die, and I agree.....this in response to his widow who says he 'didn't have to die'......

should have heard the rant, it was funny, and of course Boortz is correct....he DID have to die, thankfully before he killed someone else.....good riddance......


:rofl::dance:

[Sea Six]

He won't do THAT again.

[Blademaker]

Shoplifting fail......

[Blademaker]

Police: Man killed at DeKalb Co. Walmart was serial shoplifter - wistv.com - Columbia, South Carolina | (http://www.wistv.com/story/20179648/2012/11/25/scuffle-at-dekalb-county-walmart-leaves-suspected-shoplifter-dead)

[RedLS1GTO]

Good riddance.

[lander]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

[Cybercowboy]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

True, but if you steal enough times, you might find yourself dead. Thieves don't seem to hesitate to use violence when it suits them, karma and all that.

[mrvette]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

16 TIMES??? and for putting up a solid fight he didn't win??

bullshit......:issues::lol:

[Sea Six]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

Maybe so, but he cast his own lot when he did all of the things he chose to do that led to his eventual demise. It's hard to feel sorry for him when you look at the totality of the circumstances he created over and over again, and kept putting himself into.

The penalty for street racing shouldn't be death... but sometimes when one chooses to engage in it, one dies. C'est le vie. :seasix:

[Cybercowboy]

This seems to be a case of "Sometimes a person's only redeeming quality is to serve as an example to others."

[RedLS1GTO]

True, but if you steal enough times, you might find yourself dead. Thieves don't seem to hesitate to use violence when it suits them, karma and all that.

Yuuuup.

If you don't want to get killed shoplifting... don't shoplift. Seems simple enough to me. :shrug:

[Iron Chef]

True, but if you steal enough times, you might find yourself dead. Thieves don't seem to hesitate to use violence when it suits them, karma and all that.

Best post right there. :yesnod:

[Torqaholic]

If anyone is going to be held accountable for this death it should be whoever is responsible for letting this career criminal out onto the streets.

[mrvette]

If anyone is going to be held accountable for this death it should be whoever is responsible for letting this career criminal out onto the streets.

THAT much is true, but I don't feel the Ga. state taxpayers should be forced to keep him alive paying ~50k/year forever, for WHAT???


:issues::hurray:

[lander]

My bad, I didn't know those chasing him had a copy of his arrest records with them while they broke company policy that they agreed to when they took their jobs.

The person that killed this man needs to be punished for what he's done, so looks like GA will be paying for someone's incarceration regardless.

[vetteman9368]

My bad, I didn't know those chasing him had a copy of his arrest records with them while they broke company policy that they agreed to when they took their jobs.

The person that killed this man needs to be punished for what he's done, so looks like GA will be paying for someone's incarceration regardless.

quite the contrary, he should be given a medal

[onedef92]

A hard head = a soft ass every time.

[RED-85-Z51]

quite the contrary, he should be given a medal

Him, and zimmerman

[lander]

Him, and zimmerman


Just...wow. The stupidity level of that comment is immense.

[RED-85-Z51]

Just...wow. The stupidity level of that comment is immense.

Zimmerman was defending himself, Treyvon was not the angel that the media said he was, and Zimm had already helped bust and ID previous intruders.

[Yamma]

Sounds like he had it coming.....

[Yerf Dog]

You don't think a bit of incarceration would have rehabilitated him? :skep:

[Yamma]

You don't think a bit of incarceration would have rehabilitated him? :skep:

17th time is a charm! :seasix:

[RED-85-Z51]

You don't think a bit of incarceration would have rehabilitated him? :skep:

Whats the National average on incarceration turnover on 16 time offenders, got to be in the 90% range..

[Bucwheat]

The bad part of this is the Security guard lost his job.:leaving:

[FasterTraffic]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

I wouldn't make it the law of the land but I'm not going to shed a tear over a career scumbag, either. I don't get the impression from the article that the employees confronted the perpetrator and said scumbag said, "OK, you got me," and went with them quietly.

Shoplifter behavior, in order of decreasing frequency:
- They try to run away.
- They try to lie their way out of it.
- They try to fight their way out.
- They admit their wrongdoing and accept the consequences.

[69camfrk]

At least us GA folks don't have to pay to keep him up with three hots and a cot. Good riddance to bad rubbage.

[RED-85-Z51]

You know, Ive said for some time that they should bring back public executions and stuff for criminals. screw jails and repeat offenders, you **** up...and at least 3 people saw you **** up...you die.

[onedef92]

The wages of sin is death.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Yes he DID, have to die.......
That's the risk you run when committing a crime. Eventually, your ticket will be punched.

[Norm]

Sorry, no tears from me. May sound morbid, but I give it a......:D

[Cybercowboy]

That's the risk you run when committing a crime. Eventually, your ticket will be punched.

Perzactly.

Break into people's home? Eventually you will be killed.
Rob/mug individuals? Eventually you will be killed.
Shoplift and get violent when confronted? Ditto.

[lander]

Zimmerman was defending himself, Treyvon was not the angel that the media said he was, and Zimm had already helped bust and ID previous intruders.

Correct. Which has nothing whatsover in common with this thread. Zimmerman was attacked, these three security guards were not. If they had followed company policy, the police would have taken over.

We're all tired of crime, I get that. But I stand by my original statement, the penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

Not only will GA have to pay to incarcerate this man's killer, but Wally world will end up paying the dead guys family a shitload of money for what happened.

[island14]

Shit Happens.. and sometimes for a reason..

It is not for me to ask why....

[6spdC6]

One of my sons best friend works for a large local company doing security work. He is a big tough fellow. They normally send at least 3 people to get a shoplifter. He says it’s normal for most perps to run & fight, or fight & run. Most have knives or razor type box cutters and will use them in an attempt to get away.

He has a few years of doing this and has said many times the worst offenders are one particular minorities woman. They will put up a hell of a fight and are just downright vicious. He says the males are much easier to gain control of in a bad situation. He is out of the nasty work as he is now in a supervisory position and mostly an office jock.

[Fasglas]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

It isn't, but a legal business shouldn't be victimized by thieves either.

Did the thief plan to die? Pobably not.

Did the store personnel plan to kill the thief? Probably not.

Could the entire incident have been easily avoided? Probably.

Rocket science? No.

[island14]

It isn't, but a legal business shouldn't be victimized by thieves either.

Did the thief plan to die? Pobably not.

Did the store personnel plan to kill the thief? Probably not.

Could the entire incident have been easily avoided? Probably.

Rocket science? No.

Shit Happens.. and sometimes for a reason..

It is not for me to ask why....

:island14:

[BuckyThreadkiller]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

It isn't.

Death is the penalty you get when you try to fight three guys in a parking lot.

At any time up until he was choked out the thief could have ended the confrontation by simply surrendering for a 17th time.

[Sea Six]

It isn't.

Death is the penalty you get when you try to fight three guys in a parking lot.

At any time up until he was choked out the thief could have ended the confrontation by simply surrendering for a 17th time.

Damn, Bucky,

Why you always got to be killing threads and shet?

[erickpl]

Stupid can hurt.
Stupid x 16 means he just didn't get it.

Apparently you CAN fix stupid. That guy won't be a problem any more.

Problem is, the guard IS going to be in a heap of trouble and likely take the perp's place in the pokey.

Kudos to him for stopping the crime, but boo for it ending the way it did. If the perp was carrying weapons, the story may end differently though.

I fail to have ANY sympathy for those who are injured or killed during the commission of a crime. The lawsuits that result from a crook being shot while breaking into somebody's home and getting shot are ridiculous.

THIS is how they should ALL go:

Judge: "Was it your home/car/tv, etc?"
Perp: "No."
Judge: "Tough shit, next time, you better hope they aren't home or miss, otherwise I'll be signing your death certificate. Case dismissed."

[Bucwheat]

I'm hoping they don't bring him up on charges,if they do I'm sure a jury would find him innocent .

[RED-85-Z51]

I didnt read the article...

Lets get down to what really matters to the media...

What race was the perp, and what race were the guards...and how marketable is the perps name?

[War Eagle ZO6]

:waiting:

[kingpin]

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

[Yerf Dog]

Here's some info...

A store manager chased Calloway out of the Walmart at 1:30 on Sunday morning, claiming that he'd purloined two Blu-Ray DVD players. A security guard and two other employees apprehended him in the parking lot and knocked him to the ground. Calloway fought back against his pursuers, according to statements the workers made to police.

The guard, Jaiviere Pruitt, eventually placed Calloway in a chokehold and told him to tap when he couldn't breathe, according to WXIA.

Dekalb County police said that blood ran from Calloway's nose and mouth when they arrived and that he wasn't breathing, according to WSBT. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Walmart Shoplifting Death: Vidal Calloway, Alleged Thief, Had Multiple Arrests Before Confrontation With Employes (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/vidal-calloway-walmart-shoplifter-death_n_2198068.html)

[Aerovette]

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Makes no difference. He should be allowed to use any and all force he damn well pleases. Commiting a crime is a choice. Stopping it is a duty.

Life is about choices.
Choose to be good, choose to be bad.

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.

He "thought" he could get away with it. He has been educated. He died smarter than he lived. He knows...now.

I give it two thumbs up, four stars and a "like". :D

[vetteman9368]

Whats the National average on incarceration turnover on 16 time offenders, got to be in the 90% range..

Chalk one up for attrition this time

[FasterTraffic]

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Back in the day, whenever we turned some scumbag over to the local constabulary, the only thing that would get you in hot water was beating the scumbag after we handcuffed them.

[Luke@tirerack]

how long until walmart is sued by the perps family?

[RedLS1GTO]

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

{Guard} "I feared for my life and for the life of my co-workers when he became violent after being confronted about the theft."

{Judge} "Case dismissed"

how long until walmart is sued by the perps family?

It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

[onedef92]

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m111/onedef92/Stupid%20Stuff/imagesqtbnANd9GcRNO7-P24F0QkTiKfrHehfFJ-hAcPAQhriBg0Y3Iim6rgD63RKbFg.jpg and shit...

[kingpin]

Makes no difference. He should be allowed to use any and all force he damn well pleases. Commiting a crime is a choice. Stopping it is a duty.

Life is about choices.
Choose to be good, choose to be bad.

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.

He "thought" he could get away with it. He has been educated. He died smarter than he lived. He knows...now.

I give it two thumbs up, four stars and a "like". :D

I understand the thief is not worth the clothing on his back.
Saying he(security guard) "should" be able to use any and all force he damn well pleases doesn't change the fact that he has committed involuntary manslaughter.

[kingpin]

{Guard} "I feared for my life and for the life of my co-workers when he became violent after being confronted about the theft."

{Judge} "Case dismissed"



It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

:yesnod:

[Fastguy]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

[FasterTraffic]

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

Right, but they didn't drag him behind the store and execute him. It wasn't street justice. I don't see much difference between this scenario and where the scumbag, while trying to flee the scene, runs in front of a moving vehicle.

The scumbag was apparently combative and died as a result of the response his actions made necessary.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

If someone chooses to be bad, they have accepted every potential outcome and are ok with it. Otherwise, the choice would be different.
The average criminal is too dumb to consider all the ramifications of their actions. So, you get what we had here. Dumb AND dead.

[RED-85-Z51]

Law breakers...takers, should not be given a pass to get away simply because there is a chance that detaining them, may kill them.

All the guy had to do was, walk in and NOT steal something....and he would be alive.

or

Steal something, and when busted..STOP, get to the ground, hands behind his head..and accept his punishment and due process.

His chosen path, however...got him dead.

Guard didnt use a gun, a knife, a taser, a night stick...it was mano a mano, and the theif came up short on mano.

[Aerovette]

The average criminal is too dumb to consider all the ramifications of their actions. So, you get what we had here. Dumb AND dead.

Then I guess natural selection has chosen its course.

"Dumb" is not nearly as good a defense as "dead" is a deterrant. :seasix:


Honestly, it's really is about choices. If you lack the intelligence to consider the ramifications, then you more than likely lack the intelligence to choose differently in the future and will repeat.

[ft laud mike]

The penalty for shoplifting shouldn't be death.

My bad, I didn't know those chasing him had a copy of his arrest records with them while they broke company policy that they agreed to when they took their jobs.

The person that killed this man needs to be punished for what he's done, so looks like GA will be paying for someone's incarceration regardless.

The security guard used excessive force.
If you are subduing someone until the police come or you can put them in cuffs and they die the chances are they have used excessive force.

The question isn`t whether the dead dude is an asshole, but was the security guard in a life threatening situation where he felt he had to use force.

Seriously folks, we have due process here is America. You can't pick and choose which people get to have it.

You guys are wrong on this, the shoplifter CHOSE to: 1) steal (crime), 2) resist detainment (crime) and 3)fight (crime)
his poor choices caused his death, had this criminal made a different decision anywhere along the way he would not be dead. Place the blame where it belongs- squarely on the person with poor decision making skills and no one else.

[Iron Chef]

It's the new American way.

Do something stupid and sue everybody you can when it fails miserably. I'm sure it's already in progress with a dozen lawyers on it.

Corporate attorneys should grow a set and sue the families of these idiots for damages.