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NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 12:06am
Story (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20121005,0,2326954.story)


Gas Prices Suddenly Skyrocket in California

BY RONALD D. WHITE AND DALINA CASTELLANOS
Los Angeles Times
October 5, 2012

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Skyrocketing gasoline prices caused some local service stations to shut off their pumps Thursday while others shocked customers with overnight price increases of 30 cents or more.

California's fuel industry isn't running out of gasoline — supplies are only 2.5% lower than this time last year — but recent refinery and pipeline mishaps sent wholesale prices to all-time highs this week. As a result, some station owners weren't buying fuel for fear they couldn't sell it. Those who did buy simply kicked prices higher and bet customers would understand.

"If this keeps up, I'll be looking at $5-a-gallon gas by next Thursday," said Ali Mazarei, who owns an Arco station in Riverside County. On Thursday, Mazarei was charging $4.52 for a gallon of regular gasoline, up from $4.27 on Wednesday and $4.21 on Tuesday.

"I really don't have any choice here, and I won't be making money at $4.52 a gallon," he said.

Some fuel stops had already crossed the $5 threshold.

On Thursday afternoon, the Low-P station in Calabasas was selling regular gasoline for $5.69 a gallon in cash, or $5.79 for credit card purchases. In addition to the high prices, the pumps displayed hand-lettered signs reading: "We are sorry, it is not our fault."

The station, whose name is short for "low price," is usually full of drivers attracted by the high-profile location at Calabasas Road and Parkway Calabasas, right off the 101 Freeway. But customers thinned out as prices soared.

Low-P has to pay more "because we're an independent gas station" that lacks the buying power of its big-brand counterparts, said owner John Rabi, who paid $40,000 for a 9,000-gallon load that day, up from $32,000 a few days before.

Some drivers didn't pick up on the price right away.

"Holy shoot! I didn't notice that earlier," Aaron Belcher, 38, said as he ripped his Visa card from the reader. "This is ridiculous."

Tiffany Lemme, who spent $50.29 on less than nine gallons, said she was shocked on a recent trip to Miami when she paid $5.30 a gallon.

"I thought that was crazy, but this is insane," the 31-year-old Woodland Hills resident said.

Many stations closed their pumps as soon as they ran out of the fuel they'd bought more cheaply. Some owners worried that if they paid the current wholesale price, they would be stuck selling that gas at a loss when prices fell.

Several Costco gas stations, including those in Marina del Rey, Tustin and Inglewood, closed Thursday. A manager in Inglewood said the only nearby Costco outlets that hadn't run out of gas were in Hawthorne and Torrance.

A sign at one Costco apologized: "We do not know when we will be resupplied."

On Thursday, the wholesale price of California gasoline hit a record-setting $4.39 a gallon, said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service in New Jersey. The wholesale price surpassed even the retail price: California filling stations were charging $4.315 on average Thursday, according to AAA's daily survey. That was up more than 8 cents from Wednesday.

Analysts attributed the increase to mishaps that have befallen some of the state's 14 refineries, which operate with little margin for error because few facilities outside California make the state's cleaner-burning gasoline.

"Most recently there has been a problem with an oil pipeline that supplies gasoline for Tesoro, Valero and Shell stations," said Patrick DeHaan, senior petroleum analyst for GasBuddy.com, a price-tracking website. A power outage Monday forced the temporary shutdown of Exxon Mobil's Torrance refinery, DeHaan said. The August fire at Chevron Corp.'s Richmond refinery was also cited.

Kloza added that there was an element of panic in the run-up in wholesale prices, with buyers fearing more refinery problems.

"There is a sense out there that this might not just be the typical run of bad timing and bad luck in terms of refinery outages," Kloza said. "People are beginning to wonder whether something else might be involved. Has the heat been a factor? Is the electrical grid holding up? Are these refineries just a little too old?"

How long will the high prices last? That depends on whether more problems occur, fuel price expert Bob van der Valk said.

A form of relief might come if the state's refineries are allowed to switch to the cheaper winter blend of gasoline in the next few days rather than having to wait until the end of October, he said.

"The California Energy Commission received a request for that from the California Independent Oil Marketers Assn.," Van der Valk said. "However, Southern California is currently enduring a heat wave, and air quality will be given primary consideration before any final decision is made."

The summer blend is designed to reduce evaporation of pollutants during warm weather.

Luckily, it's (mostly) hovering under $4.50/gallon by me, so far. But that's still about $0.40/gallon more than what I paid on Monday. :nonod:

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RED-85-Z51
10-05-2012, 12:41am
I put in 10 gallons @ 3.51 a gallon this morning...

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 12:56am
I put in 10 gallons @ 3.51 a gallon this morning...

I don't have an issue with paying $0.20-$0.30/gallon then the rest of the country, which is usually where we hover. But this is ridiculous. I literally did a double take at the gas station this morn when I saw it was $0.50/gallon more (at some stations) than what I just paid a few days ago.

RED-85-Z51
10-05-2012, 1:26am
I don't have an issue with paying $0.20-$0.30/gallon then the rest of the country, which is usually where we hover. But this is ridiculous. I literally did a double take at the gas station this morn when I saw it was $0.50/gallon more (at some stations) than what I just paid a few days ago.

You are paying a full dollar + a gallon than I did...lol

Have fun with that...:lol:

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 2:12am
You are paying a full dollar + a gallon than I did...lol

Have fun with that...:lol:

It's a trade off, I guess. It'll come back down once this hot mess is all resolved. Then I'll only be paying a little more than you guys. :willy: :rofl:

78SA
10-05-2012, 4:00am
They use any excuse they can to raise prices.

Rotorhead
10-05-2012, 4:13am
Been slowly coming down here.

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 7:47am
Been slowly coming down here.

I saw that's its been down about $0.03 for pretty much everyone else. You all effectively suck. :leaving:

It's just this crazy combination of events that all took place at once.

It's a conspiracy. A CONSPIRACY, I SAY!!!!

Seriously, though. I was reading the article and thinking...what are the odds of all this happening at once...??? :willy:

Iron Chef
10-05-2012, 7:50am
:kimblair: @ California.

Now, if you lived in Texas...oh...wait...sorry... :leaving:

:D

VatorMan
10-05-2012, 7:51am
You guys on the left coast can afford it. :yesnod:

bsmith
10-05-2012, 8:00am
damn...I rarely pay attention to it, but it's crept up to $3.89 here according to gasbuddy. :ack:

Calif Vetteman
10-05-2012, 8:02am
I saw that's its been down about $0.03 for pretty much everyone else. You all effectively suck. :leaving:

It's just this crazy combination of events that all took place at once.

It's a conspiracy. A CONSPIRACY, I SAY!!!!

Seriously, though. I was reading the article and thinking...what are the odds of all this happening at once...??? :willy:

:iagree: Newt said if were given the nomination gas would go back to $1.86 the day after he was elected. Tthat was the price of a gallon of gas when whats his name took office :sadangel:

Yerf Dog
10-05-2012, 8:11am
They'll be going to 4 digits soon enough.

$??.??

jaxgator
10-05-2012, 8:18am
Been slowly coming down here.

Same here.

They'll be going to 4 digits soon enough.

$??.??

That's what Obama-rama-ding-dong is after. I'm afraid that if he gets re-elected, that's exactly what'll happen. :(

Bucwheat
10-05-2012, 8:37am
$3.29 a gallon here.Diesel is $3.79

VatorMan
10-05-2012, 8:42am
Then we can all get in line to buy our gov't mandated Volts. :hurray:

Then coal prices will skyrocket !!

SpdChik
10-05-2012, 8:51am
And I was griping about 3.50/gal yesterday. I suppose I should be more thankful ;)

G8rDMD
10-05-2012, 9:07am
Then coal prices will skyrocket !!

In an older interview with Oblumba, that's exactly what he said he hopes happens. He wants green energy and plans to drive up prices on fossil fuels to the point where we have no choice but to seek alternatives. It's his ****ed up way of saving the planet by killing the nation :slap:

Stangkiller
10-05-2012, 9:11am
Yikes! I wish I'd known that I'd have topped off this morning. I think it's time for a bigger fuel tank.

RonC5
10-05-2012, 10:44am
The gas prices suck....but I now use less that a half tank every 2 weeks commuting thanks to the van pool. Cost me $80 for the van this month instead of the $400+ gas and tolls it was costing me driving on my own. Add in the $410 car payment and severe depreciation due to the miles I was driving. Now in the van pool, I don't have to drive everyday, I sold the commuter car and with all of the extra cash, bought the Z06 to drive on weekends.

Admiral Blue
10-05-2012, 10:49am
While it is not much better here in Chicagoland and CRook County, I am sorry to see it out there for you.

I did, however, find it mildly amuzing to see the related tags below your thread...

"butt-raped, need good walking shoes, public transportation"

:leaving:

FasterTraffic
10-05-2012, 10:51am
I don't have an issue with paying $0.20-$0.30/gallon then the rest of the country, which is usually where we hover. But this is ridiculous. I literally did a double take at the gas station this morn when I saw it was $0.50/gallon more (at some stations) than what I just paid a few days ago.

:iagree:

I did the same thing on the way home yesterday. All of our cars use premium and the least expensive gas station in the area has it for $4.79/gal.

This makes it obvious:

http://www.orangecountygasprices.com/Price_By_County.aspx?z=0&lat=37.000000&long=-96.000000&ft=A&tl=48

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 10:57am
I did, however, find it mildly amuzing to see the related tags below your thread...

"butt-raped, need good walking shoes, public transportation"

:leaving:



I don't know how those got there.

:leaving:

Bill
10-05-2012, 11:21am
I saw that's its been down about $0.03 for pretty much everyone else. You all effectively suck. :leaving:

It's just this crazy combination of events that all took place at once.

It's a conspiracy. A CONSPIRACY, I SAY!!!!

Seriously, though. I was reading the article and thinking...what are the odds of all this happening at once...??? :willy:

Actually, it's more a case of NIMBY.

island14
10-05-2012, 11:54am
Not sure how it compares, but my gas station only charges 60 peso a litre. :D

Yes... we do buy it by the Coke bottle around here...

http://freeshopmanual.com/uploads/photos/Barangay-party-0001.jpg

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 2:18pm
Actually, it's more a case of NIMBY.

It's a complicated issue, but that's certainly part of it.

My conspiracy comment references all of this crap going on at the same time, listed in the article. I sense evil behind this. (Peeks out the window blinds.)

Edit: They're blaming the bulk of the issue over the last few days on a short power outage at a refinery. A POWER OUTAGE!!?!?! HOW LONG EXACTLY WAS THE F*CKING POWER OUT!!?!?!?! :willy:

Not sure how it compares, but my gas station only charges 60 peso a litre. :D

Yes... we do buy it by the Coke bottle around here...

http://freeshopmanual.com/uploads/photos/Barangay-party-0001.jpg

That's the best thing I ever saw. :rofl:

kingpin
10-05-2012, 2:32pm
NAV that's just about our regular price if you convert.

Right now gas here is $1.34 liter. X a U.S. Gallon(3.78) = $5.06

The lowest I saw gas here this year was $1.15 liter. X a U.S. Gallon(3.78) = $4.34

kingpin
10-05-2012, 2:33pm
Not sure how it compares, but my gas station only charges 60 peso a litre. :D

Yes... we do buy it by the Coke bottle around here...

http://freeshopmanual.com/uploads/photos/Barangay-party-0001.jpg

Where the fuk is Gilligan? :D

Bill
10-05-2012, 2:38pm
It's a complicated issue, but that's certainly part of it.

My conspiracy comment references all of this crap going on at the same time, listed in the article. I sense evil behind this. (Peeks out the window blinds.)

Edit: They're blaming the bulk of the issue over the last few days on a short power outage at a refinery. A POWER OUTAGE!!?!?! HOW LONG EXACTLY WAS THE F*CKING POWER OUT!!?!?!?! :willy:



That's the best thing I ever saw. :rofl:

Refining is nothing if not a chemical process. If that process is interrupted, it isn't a matter of flipping a switch. An unplanned shut down due to some unforseen event like a power outage takes time to fix. It can take several days or more for a process unit to be restarted, and even then, production must be ramped up gradually. You don't just flip a switch and start refining full tilt. That's how accidents happen.

The lack of pipeline infrastructure to your area from other areas (Texas, for example) as well as the boutique nature of the gasoline CA requires to be sold in your area limits the ability for refiners to replace the supply interupted when one of your refineries is down.


OK, Ok, just kidding......the oil companies ARE just screwing with y'all!

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 2:40pm
NAV that's just about our regular price if you convert.

Right now gas here is $1.34 liter. X a U.S. Gallon(3.78) = $5.06

The lowest I saw gas here this year was $1.15 liter. X a U.S. Gallon(3.78) = $4.34

Well, I'm not Canadian. At least I have that going for me.

:leaving:






















:D

kingpin
10-05-2012, 2:45pm
Well, I'm not Canadian. At least I have that going for me.

:leaving:

:D



I see how it's going to be. :monkeybutt:


mouthy broad

:leaving:

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 2:50pm
I see how it's going to be. :monkeybutt:


mouthy broad

:leaving:

:p

NEED-A-VETTE
10-05-2012, 6:20pm
Refining is nothing if not a chemical process. If that process is interrupted, it isn't a matter of flipping a switch. An unplanned shut down due to some unforseen event like a power outage takes time to fix. It can take several days or more for a process unit to be restarted, and even then, production must be ramped up gradually. You don't just flip a switch and start refining full tilt. That's how accidents happen.

The lack of pipeline infrastructure to your area from other areas (Texas, for example) as well as the boutique nature of the gasoline CA requires to be sold in your area limits the ability for refiners to replace the supply interupted when one of your refineries is down.


OK, Ok, just kidding......the oil companies ARE just screwing with y'all!

I knew it!!! Bastards!!!

Must be the same people that were messing with me several years ago when I still lived in AZ back in 2003. I pulled into gas station one evening in Scottsdale and the sign said they were out of gas. I was like...ok, strange. I guess I'll just go down the street. It took me about 5-6 stations before I found one that wasn't out. :willy:

Turns out, a pipeline (http://doney.net/aroundaz/gas_lines.htm) that supplied 1/3 of the gas to Phoenix burst. People had to wait hours in line to get gas at the few stations that were open. The price gouging was really bad...in the range of $4.00-$5.00/gallon by some station owners. Keep in mind this was in 2003. They actually passed anti-gouging laws in AZ, due to what happened.

I think the problems here wouldn't have been so bad if it was a situation of just one refinery. However, there are a couple of issues with a few refineries, maintenance and pipelines here that happened to occur at the same time. And the lack of other pipelines coming in and the blend issues definitely contribute. It was just a shock to wake up and see prices increased by $0.30-$.050 in some places. :ack:

Torqaholic
10-05-2012, 6:25pm
Christmas is coming, they need to start saving up for gifts.

kylebuck
10-05-2012, 8:26pm
Hahaha I'm so happy the alero gets 27 mpg hahaha

FasterTraffic
10-05-2012, 8:31pm
All of our cars use premium and the least expensive gas station in the area has it for $4.79/gal.

I had to get gas on the way home this afternoon... $4.91/gal.

:shots:

VatorMan
10-05-2012, 8:54pm
Well, I'm not Canadian. At least I have that going for me.

:leaving:

:D

:sadangel: I have a thing for Canadian girls.

kingpin
10-05-2012, 9:07pm
:sadangel: I have a thing for Canadian girls.

:D

Really. so do I.

99 pewtercoupe
10-05-2012, 9:15pm
:sadangel: I have a thing for Canadian girls.

First pro Canadian post I have seen here in quite some time.

Torqaholic
10-05-2012, 9:21pm
:sadangel: I have a thing for Canadian girls.

You can't say that without including a picture. Let me help -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Venomenon/misc/knockers.jpg

kingpin
10-05-2012, 9:25pm
This is my only regret for leaving Edmonton. :banghead:
Sweetest chick in the world. :yesnod:

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FasterTraffic
10-05-2012, 9:36pm
This is my only regret for leaving Edmonton. :banghead:
Sweetest chick in the world. :yesnod:

Did the girl know you were banging her stuffed owl?

RED-85-Z51
10-05-2012, 9:58pm
I paid 3.48/gal today..

Damn my shit gets shitty mileage...

kingpin
10-05-2012, 10:16pm
Did the girl know you were banging her stuffed owl?

:slap:

Sweetest girl in the world! :sad:

Hoog
10-06-2012, 8:36am
$3.51 Thursday in Orlando, $3.90 or so here in Peoria. My son says it has come down a little over the last couples days.

Hahaha I'm so happy the alero gets 27 mpg hahaha
You used happy, and Alero in the same sentence. :willy:

04 commemorative
10-06-2012, 8:49am
3.69.9 at Costco yesterday....last week it was 3.51.9

kylebuck
10-06-2012, 10:36am
$3.51 Thursday in Orlando, $3.90 or so here in Peoria. My son says it has come down a little over the last couples days.


You used happy, and Alero in the same sentence. :willy:

Damn right.
Less money spent on fuel = more mod money for the c4