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Palin Fear-Mongers On Iran, Sharia
At Newsmax, Palin joins fellow conservatives with false, inflammatory attacks on Obama
Oct. 13, 2010
Palin Fear-Mongers On Iran, Sharia (http://www.countercurrents.org/cole131010.htm)
Republican gadfly Sarah Palin said in an interview with Newsmax Tuesday that Russia should be warned against helping Iran because if Iran got a nuclear weapon it would bring about Armageddon.
She also warned against the imposition of what she called Muslim sharia law on Americans and said they would never put up with it.
Give me a break.
No one is working harder to impose a religious law code on Americans than Palin herself.
Palin is one of those people who says she would like to forbid abortion even in cases of rape or danger to the mother’s life.
Palin’s hostility to pro-choice positions derives from her belief in the supremacy of Christian law, which she wants to impose on all Americans.
For more see my classic Salon essay on how many of Palin’s stances track with sharia or actually are more rigid.
Iran does not have a nuclear weapon, and says it does not want one and would not accept one.
There is no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, and the International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified that no nuclear material is being diverted to military purposes from Iran’s civilian nuclear enrichment facilities in Natanz near Isfahan.
In contrast, the United States and Russia each has thousands of nuclear warheads, and smaller nuclear arsenals are possessed by Britain, France, China, and Israel.
It is difficult to see how Iran, a poor weak state with virtually no air force to speak of, and which is defenseless against a nuclear-armed superpower, could possibly cause an ‘Armageddon’ or show-down battle ushering in the Last Days.
As for sharia, this allegation that Muslims are conspiring to impose their religious law on the United States is just propaganda from an American right wing that has destroyed the US economy and weakened the constitution, and has no one to blame for it but themselves. So they have nothing to run on but fear.
They tried making Americans afraid of Latinos, but there are so many Latino voters that the tactic caused them to crash and burn.
They needed a small group to position as threatening to middle America.
They really miss the Communists.
You could always run against the Communists, and there were hardly any in the US, so there was no down side.
So now they are coming after the some 6 million American Muslims.
Sharia does not have a fixed meaning.
It is the living tradition of Muslim religious law.
It is analogous to Roman Catholic canon law.
What Palin is doing is similar to raising an alarm that the country’s 80 million Catholics have a secret plan to make canon law the law of the land and impose it on clueless Protestant Americans.
Ooops.
The one place where attempts are being made to make the US conform to canon law is law around abortion, which is forbidden in Roman Catholic law but allowed in American law.
And guess what.
Sarah Palin agrees with the imposition of canon law in that area of forbidding abortions.
US law already overlaps with Muslim sharia in the essentials.
Sharia law forbids murder.
It forbids theft.
Etc.
Most of the elements of sharia to which Americans might object are traditional and are being reformed by Muslims themselves.
Thus, sharia traditionally allowed a man to take up to four wives.
But in many Muslim countries that practice has been curtailed.
Or people think about harsh punishments such as stoning for adultery.
But the Qur’an does not mention stoning anyone, and stoning adulterers is actually a feature of Jewish law or halakha that was probably brought into Islam by rabbi converts in the 8th or 9th century.
Egypt has made the age of marriage 18, even though Muslim legal tradition allowed marriage at a much earlier age.
But then Roman Catholic canon law in the medieval era set the marriage age at 12, as did Jewish religious law.
All religious systems of law in the medieval period tended to allow marriage with the onset of puberty.
Americans who get all high and mighty about sharia should remember that 18th century British law prescribed hanging for minor theft.
There is no mechanism whereby Muslim religious law could be imposed on Americans (it would have to be legislated by Congress, which is much more likely to make us live by Leviticus).
The US Supreme Court has ruled that a law may not be passed if it does not have a secular purpose (that is why we can work on Sundays now; blue laws don’t have a secular purpose.)
But since the United States has an Anglo-Saxon, common law legal system that privileges custom as a source of law, it is inevitable that judges will occasionally have to take sharia into account when adjudicating disputes among American Muslims. US judges can take precedents from anywhere, and have occasionally cited rulings of, e.g., the Indian Supreme Court.
The only way to avoid this situation would be to adopt the Napoleonic code and give up on custom and precedent as contributors to law.
That would be a much bigger break with American legal traditions than merely occasionally citing Muslim legal practice in settling disputes among Muslims.
Nevada politician Sharon Angle attracted a sharp rebuke from the mayor of Dearborn, which has a large Arab-American community, when she made a similar charge about the imposition of sharia.
VIDEO Inside ~ Palin Warns of ?Armageddon,' 'Third World War' in Exclusive Newsmax Broadcast (http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/sarah-palin-newsmax-make/2010/10/11/id/373322)
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PortDawg
10-14-2010, 7:33pm
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame.
Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.
Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...
Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.
Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...
In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews.
Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!
Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.
Ok so you posted it and I'm assuming you read it. Are you a American Killer now? :toetap:
... hard to say how Palin made the jump from Sharia Law (in the U.S.) to (Irainian) armegeddon ... I suspect Palin is trying to make a comeback from way back when Couric pwn'd Palin when asked just what the Bush Doctrine was ...
Simply invade and wage war on nations after fear-mongering the U.S. on the Mushroom Cloud so we can lower taxes for the wealthy ... (see neo-wacko newsmax video)
... got to work this time ... but you have to vote Palin in as POTUS first ...
Sad.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame.
Prophet Mohammed has reserved special position for certain sects of Unbelievers in his so called "Holy Book" Koran. Those unbelievers are none other than followers of Christianity and Judaism. I have selected few verses from Koran to display what Muslims are taught and instructed as far as treating Christians and Jews is concerned.
Koran 5:51
Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.
In this verse Prophet Mohammed is clearly instructing his followers never to befriend a Christian or a Jew. Because if they take a Christian or a Jew as a friend, they will commit a wrong deed and Allah's wrath will be on them.
Koran 5:57
Believers, do not seek the friendship of the infidels and those who were given the Book before you, who have made your religion a jest and a pasttime...
Here "those who were given the Book before you" refers to Christians and Jews. Once again Mohammed is warning Muslims of all time never to befriend a Christian or a Jew.
Koran 5:64
The Jews say: 'God's hand is chained.' May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say!...
In the above verse Prophet Mohammed is showing his deep respect for the Jews.
Koran 9:29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.
Here 'People of the Book' refers to Christians and Jews. The 'Religion Of Truth' refers to Islam. So in the above verse Prophet Mohammed is instructing Muslims to fight and torture Christians and Jews (who do not believe in Islamic version of God) until they pay tax to Muslims for their existence. Muslims are also strictly instructed to make the Christians and Jews feel 'subdued'. Allah is truly benign !!!
Koran 9:30
The Jews call 'Uzayr-a son of God', and the Christinas call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are decluded away from the Truth.
Here Prophet Mohammed is wishing that Allah's curse be on Jews and Christians. And what did the Christians and Jews do for such special favour from Allah ? All they did is that out of respect and love, they called their Prophets 'son of God'.
Ok so let’s use Bill O’Reilley’s standards … if you are a the group of people you’re associated with do something horrifically bad, then everyone within your ethnic group, religious group and gender group has to pay for your actions … is that the standard? If so, I don’t expect anyone here to make statement reparation, or complaints about apologies or any of a sort, because this country has had their own plethora of Terrorist. :D
can someone show me where the word "Sharia" is in the US constitution? :D all this crap is just more of the Reich Wing Spin Machine attempts to paint Obama as a Muslim. :yesnod: Rove is probably laughing his ass off & dislocating his shoulder as he pats himself on the back. :lolsmile:
God is she stupid, but she's the best the GOP has. :lolsmile:
Incorrect x2.
Ok, then you'll have no problem posting the Top GOP Leaders who will "Man-Up" and say that! :D
the Couric/Gibson interviews absolutely made her a laughing stock & everyone in the country knows it but Tx Ag. :lol: now she posts from the security of Facebook about "death panels" & other wild, unfounded sh1t. no Courics or Gibsons on there. :lolsmile:
Incorrect.
It did show her inexperience in dealing with the biased media personalities in the main stream media.
So Palin has only been active on Facebook? No where else? That's your assertion?
The assertion that remains is why Palin and the entire right-wing will remain for decades as the minority ... this is what you presented us with after Bush ...
... the Founding Father Angry Crazy Right certifiable wackazoids ...
Thanks McCain ... (give'n 'em the props this morning since we don't hear to much these days from the *Godfather of the Palin-ites* ... )
:willy:
That's your opinion.
Do you have any facts or are you willing to admit this is just your biased opinion?
http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/politics-religion-controversy/3999-you-willing-debate-facts.html
How'bout this fact ... you lost the 2008 presidential race ... remind us again why ?
IMHO, the main reason the Republicans lost in 2008 was because they lost their way as being fiscally conservative and being small government minded.
There has been 0 republican fiscal conservatism since Reagan ... in fact since the first great depression ... (see the gilded ages that lead to the first great depression) ... this is a fact (based on govt. is evil) ...
Let's keep this topic in the domain of how Palin came to be ... McCain vetted her as *something different* other than establishment republicans that he felt would be a losing proposition for a 2008 presidential bid/win ... you still lost ...
Today she has emerged as the sole head/concept of the Tea Party and as a valid political platform ...
You simply can't be serious ...
Exotix
10-20-2010, 10:26am
I would tend to agree.
And yes, the Republicans lost the presidential election in 2008. I don't think anyone will contest that fact. :D
I would disagree. Is she the face the media tries to put as the "leader" of the Tea Party? Most definitely. Is she liked by many who are Tea Party people? You betcha.
However, the Tea Party itself isn't a "traditional" political party as say the Republicans or Democrats. While there are people who speak at national gatherings, I see the Tea Party as more locally focused with national gatherings of those like minded people. I honestly hope the Tea Party never does become a "traditional" political party like the Republicans or Democrats.
I'm not serious about her being the "face" of the Tea Party. But to say she's stupid is absolutely incorrect.
FYI, I like Palin as a voice and getting the message of smaller gov't and less taxes out to the people. But she's not my first choice for a run at the presidency in 2012.
You must've missed the GOP Value Voters Summit ... or the republican convention for POTUS hopefuls ... even the exotix was stunned to see Huckabee & Romney espouse the kind of hate that is the underlying sentiment that informs of the belief or ethos of the Tea Party ... in fact they furthered this hate beyond the likes of Tancredo, Gingrich, Palin and her psycho sisters ( O'Donnells' first big speech) et al ...
Every one one of your candidates since Rand Paul are nothing more than the extremeist wackos you've been calling Libs for decades ...
However I am impressed with their antics ... I get a big-time LOL ... again, founding father revolutionists calling for the repeal of the U.S. Constitution because govt. has interpretated it wrong from your *intepretations* ...
:willy:
Exotix
10-20-2010, 10:52am
Please show the direct references to all this "hate" you're referencing.
Let me ask you this, have you been to a Tea Party event? If so which one?
That's a pretty absolute statement. Since you've made the accusation, could you please provide the source?
I wasn't aware of anyone who said they wanted to repeal the US Constitution. Could you provide some source of that claim?
I know you well enough from CFPR&C that when you make statements like this ... answering the questions with questions ... you've capitulated and are now seeking refuge under moderator protection ... I don't think they're here to protect you ...
In other words, you're on the defensive, that is, you now need to protect yourself and the Tea Party from these allegations and accusations by providing proof otherwise ...
Goes to *Strange Days* the exotix used to exude in exacting the phenomena you call the impending change since and of the the Tea Party and now 2012 ... in other words, you have to prove what's not wacko about the Tea Party by providing proof of how you're the *Better Solutions and Contract ON America* ...
Take for instance extending the Bush Tax Cuts ... Nobody has seen one instance of offsetting almost $4 Trillion Dollars in additional deficits even if you eliminate Social Security/Medicare and all entitlements you call *cutting govt. spending* as *less govt.* ...
ChasC5
10-20-2010, 12:17pm
I've capitulated nothing and simply asked or the sources of where you gained the inaccurate picture of the Tea Party.
I believe you agreed to http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/politics-religion-controversy/3999-you-willing-debate-facts.html
So let's cut thru the rhetoric and talk verifiable facts.
You made the alligations. I'm simply asking for the proof behind them. Did you see them first hand at an event? If so, which event? Was it a news report? Was it a news article? If so, which one? If you don't happen to have any sources and it's just your opinion based on no facts, that's fine.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here. You made the accusation the Tea Party was based on hate. I'm simply asking for the source of the basis
Honestly I haven't looked into details of where the $4 trillion dollars reference is coming from. I can certainly do that. If you've got some info on it I'd be more than happy to read it. :cheers:
But let's take that to another thread is so desired and keep this one on Palin. :cheers:
Let’s stop playing around and be honest with everyone, The Tea Party, no different than most Grass Roots Organizations, have negative elements within their ranks and don’t represent the entire group. If we can both agree to that statement, then we can move on the bigger question; if you had a fringe element within your group who doesn’t represent your true beliefs … should you speak out against that element so that those elements don’t misrepresents the entire group?
That a simple Yes or No.
It isn’t atom splitting rocket science, so stop playing as if you don’t know.
I will agree if you will agree it's not just grass roots organizations which have this issue but organizations of any size.
Oh I definitely agree, yes. Any group no matter the size, political leanings, racial make up, etc should be silent about that minority.
That said, proof of said fringes should also be provided to back up the claims as well. Wouldn't you agree?
I'm not playing and directly answering the questions I'm asked. It would be greatly appreciated if same courtesy was returned. Do you agree with the assertion by Exotix that the Tea Party is based on hate? "That a simple Yes or No."
Look, don’t pretend you have not seen, monkey, Hitler, along with numerous other Black Stereotypes … so don’t bother to ask for proof … you have accesses to YouTube just like anyone one else, but that not the entire point I’m trying to make. Every four years there’s a political side that is pissed because their horse lost the race, and they don’t like the other side’s politics. That’s life … we usually *****, complain but eventually move on. But for some strange reason, this time the world is going to end … why? Why in only 23 months, this President has become the worse in the history of Presidents … even though, most of what he wants to do, he can’t because the opposition party throws a tantrum over everything.
Everyone conveniently forgets the state of the Union only 23 months ago … and how it got that way.
Ask yourself this, what has your favorite Congressperson or Senator, done to earn their pay over the last 23 months?
Chas, I did you the courtesy of answring your question directly.
Please do the the same courtesy of answering mine directly:
Do you agree with the assertion by Exotix that the Tea Party is based on hate? "That a simple Yes or No."
Actually the burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. If you accuse someone of doing something and can't substantially back it up, then you lose credibility and your argument.
You and Exotix are making the accusation the Tea Party is based on hate. I've asked for proof numerous times now and so far neither one of you is able to show me some proof of that accusation.
Let's not divert from the question posted. Do you have any proof you can show here, in this thread/forum backing up the claims of the Tea Party being based on hate.
If not, just say so.
Because not just he but his whole party have forcefully passed legistlation and done things which appears the majority of the people are not in favor of being done.
Are you opposed to the people voicing their dissatisfaction? Are you against the people choosing to vote out the people they are not happy with?
And what is your opinion on how it got that way?
The guy I like the most in Congress is Ted Poe (http://poe.house.gov/). He's pushed for more border security, more accountability by public officials and a smaller national government for starters. He's earned his pay.
That said, one person out of a body of 535 cannot do much of anything alone.
Now how about answering your same question.
I’m sure the Tea Party has good intentions, but what I “see” and “hear” is different … and I’m not blind or deaf!
So if what I see and hear is wrong, why don’t see the GOP Leaders and Tea Party Leaders set the record straight? I’ll tell you why, because they NEED their Vote!
So my answer to your questions is, I don’t think The Tea Party is Based on HATE … I think the Adults who know better are keeping their mouths shut for political reasons.
We all know what we see and hear.
I’m sure the Tea Party has good intentions, but what I “see” and “hear” is different … and I’m not blind or deaf!
So if what I see and hear is wrong, why don’t see the GOP Leaders and Tea Party Leaders set the record straight? I’ll tell you why, because they NEED their Vote!
So my answer to your questions is, I don’t think The Tea Party is Based on HATE … I think the Adults who know better are keeping their mouths shut for political reasons.
We all know what we see and hear.
From as far back as I can remember ... thier reliance on Faux Noize as the Bush Neocon Talking Points to wage war on all of Islam based on WMD's to Bill'O the Clown's call for murdereing Tiller the Baby Killer and his recent admonition that all Muslims attacked us on 9/11 ... to now *targeting all Libs via 2nd admendment remedies* ...
I really never have put up with the likes of TxAg and Seafive and MikeZ06 over on PR&C acting stupid on all these issues ... oh no ... I commence to lay waste to what's left of the neocon wasteland and then pick'em off one by each as they try to emerge from whats left as they crawl out from the shadows ...
You have to torture these fools by hitting them upside their heads with truth and fact as a relentless bombardment to get any kind of sane answer out'of 'em ... Sad.
So basically you're saying you lied when you posted this:
http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/politics-religion-controversy/3999-you-willing-debate-facts.html#post48031
Ok. Your choice.
So far you have yet to directly respond to my questions for sources. What I see you post here is the same rhetoric I've seen you post in CF PRC. Unfortunately you took an olive branch to have an intelligent, thoughtful discussion and once again burned it.
Hey that's your choice but as of this posting, I refuse to respond to your posts based on the simple fact you don't want to have a discussion.
Now you go ahead and respond with what ever lies you want to tell yourself to make you feel better. Tell yourself you "won". Tell yourself I "gave in". What ever helps you sleep better at night. More power to ya, seriously.
I'd like to thank Chas for getting past the rhetoric on both sides and having a good discussion on the subject. Seems we can find some common ground to work from with both sides stop the childish name calling and get down to the meat of the issue. I honestly look forward to more discussions like that with you Chas. :cheers:
I made the statement that the Tea Party is based on hate ... everything that comes out of the Tea Party members mouths is hate or hate-based ... further, it has no logic or basis nor basis of logistics for it's hate ... further I proved this *fake-grassroots movement of the same'ol right-wing hate* from right-wing members on CFPR&C ... where to this day ... today ... stickies have to be posted warning against hate and death threats ... again, I don't appreciate you dancing around facts in delusion ...
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Incorrect.
It did show her inexperience in dealing with the biased media personalities in the main stream media.
and that's why she won't do any more interviews. unless, of course on Faux. :D
So Palin has only been active on Facebook? No where else? That's your assertion?
see above.
:seeya:
The NAACP today issued a report detailing "the links between certain Tea Party factions and acknowledged racist hate groups in the United States."
"These links should give all patriotic Americans pause," NAACP president and CEO Benjamin Jealous writes in a forward.
Jealous allows that that "the majority of Tea Party supporters are sincere, principled people of good will." He urges "the leadership and members of the Tea Party movement [to] read this report and take additional steps to distance themselves from those Tea Party leaders who espouse racist ideas, advocate violence, or are formally affiliated with white supremacist organizations."
These groups and individuals are out there, and we ignore them at our own peril," Jealous said in a statement before the report was released. "They are speaking at tea party events, recruiting at rallies, and in some cases remain in the tea party leadership itself."
On a conference call in conjunction with the release, Jealous said "we have no problem with the Tea Party existing."
"We do however have a problem when prominent Tea Party members," he continued, "...are allowed to use Tea Party events to recruit people for those white supremacist groups."
The report, which CBS News reviewed in advance of its release, is entitled "Tea Party Nationalism," and it looks at the relationships and differences between six Tea Party groups: FreedomWorks Tea Party, 1776 Tea Party, Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Patriots, ResistNet, and Tea Party Express.
"In these ranks, an abiding obsession with Barack Obama's birth certificate is often a stand-in for the belief that the first black president of the United States is not a 'real American.' Rather than strict adherence to the Constitution, many Tea Partiers are challenging the provision for birthright citizenship found in the Fourteenth Amendment," write authors Devin Burghart and Leonard Zeskind of the Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, which produced the report for the NAACP.
The authors said research for the report began a year ago when they noticed that the white supremacist group stormfront.org had "started a thread to move into the Tea Party."
A document called "The Tea Party: The Racism Within" details some of the findings, including the fact that James von Brunn, the white supremacist who killed a Holocaust Museum guard last year, posted on Tea Partner Express partner websites.
What do you Think?
Do you Believe Racism is a Problem in the Tea Party Movement? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/us/politics/21naacp.html
This Post would get you Banned at Digital Corvette/News and Corvette Forum PR&C. :yesnod:
So that should tell you a lot about them ... :skep:
This Post would get you Banned at Digital Corvette/News and Corvette Forum PR&C. :yesnod:
So that should tell you a lot about them ... :skep:
also says a lot about this place. :cheers:
1. How about keeping the juvenile name calling out of the discussion. It only hurts you when you try to make a point.
2. So is it your assertion Palin has not done any interviews except on Fox since the Couric and Gibson interviews?
Would that be a yes or no?
didn't hurt me one bit. Faux is a great nickname for that outfit. :lolsmile: why are you having such a hard time here? why don't you just show me an interview Palin has had with a reporter that doesn't reside in her[your] camp? what's that??? there aren't any?? the hell you say. :kick:
2009? :lol: Oprah?:lolsmile:
1. How about keeping the juvenile name calling out of the discussion. It only hurts you when you try to make a point.
:iagree: I got to remember that one … :cheers:
Do I have your permission to repost your quote whenever members on this Forum talk about the American President of The United States; Barack Hussein Obama ?
Yep. Proves your assertion incorrect.
Care to just man up and admit you were wrong?
beat your chest & crow when your little Caribou Barbie does a real interview. :seeya: won't happen. :D
So would that be your admission of being incorrect?
please. I can just hear Oprah's "hardball" question now. "Sarah how do you deal with the cold climate up there?" :lolsmile::lol:
Are you not mature/man enough to admit you were wrong?
face it, dude. Oprah is no challenge even to a dumb wench like Palin. :D want to impress me? put her back in Gibson's & Couric's crosshairs. :kick: her handlers know it would be suicide & so do you. :seeya:
1. I never said Oprah was a "tough" interview. IT was how ever a real interview. Oprah sure isn't a "right winger".
2. I'm not looking to impress you or anyone else on this or any forum.
3. Just admit I proved the assertion you made as she sticks only to Facebook incorrect.
translation: she hasn't had any "hardball" interviews & won't. :seeya:
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