Ammo prices... Holy sh*t!~

[RedLS1GTO]

I have a fairly decent stockpile of ammo but like any other shooter I always keep my eye out for good deals.

Unfortunately I have noticed a trend... THERE ARE NO GOOD DEALS!

I made a pretty massive group ammo purchase in December 2010, just 16 months ago. The total cost was $2,510. I just priced the exact same order and using the cheapest prices from around the net and looking at all of the places where people claim to get "the best deals." Today, it would be almost $4,000!!!!

I didn't do the full math, but it is very close, if not actually MORE expensive to reload your own today (depending on what round of course) than it was to buy new 3 years ago.

I just picked up another 1,000 rounds of .30-06 MILSURP from the CMP and I am thinking about doubling that before the prices jump yet again.

Every time I shoot I swear I can see dollar signs flying out of the barrel. :ack:

[CP]

Obama can't get the guns but he can certainly get at the ammunition.:leaving:

[Bucwheat]

Feds will try to disarm us yet.

[Mike Mercury]

Feds will try to disarm us yet.


:iagree:

Socialism can't be mandated if the citizens are armed.

[Chris Fowler]

Obama can't get the guns but he can certainly get at the ammunition.:leaving:
Are there new taxes on ammo that I missed? Are the ammo companies in league with the Obama administration to jack up prices unnecessarily?

While I'd agree completely that Obama would love to see us disarmed, I fail to see the connection to the existing prices of ammo.

[Mirroredshades]

I just picked up another 1,000 rounds of .30-06 MILSURP from the CMP and I am thinking about doubling that before the prices jump yet again.
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Well hell, 30-06 is like $2.25 each around here. Where did you order it from? I was getting ready to retire mine if the prices got any higher.

:needcoffee:

[Mirroredshades]

or disammo.


Or datammo.

[Sea Six]

or disammo.

Reloading FTW.

[mike100]

Powder hasn't gone up too terribly much- reloading is and has always been projectile cost sensitive. price of lead shot for SG also.

I don't shoot much at all anymore- been restoring and modding cars instead. I have been teaching a couple of people about reloading- that's the only time I mess with it. I still shoot clay sports once a month, but it used to be about 6-7 times a month when it cost half as much in 2005 or so.

Conclusion: I think the weak dollar and demand from political hysteria with a little popular television show interest sprinkled on top has created a large demand. I heard there is a popular zombie show on cable- I don't watch tv (seriously)- so that's kind of a theory I have.

[RedLS1GTO]

Well hell, 30-06 is like $2.25 each around here. Where did you order it from? I was getting ready to retire mine if the prices got any higher.

:needcoffee:

Ordered it from the CMP... $.53/round shipped for 150 gr. Greek MILSURP.

I still have about 1,000 US MILSURP rounds to go with it but those are getting to the point of being too valuable to shoot.

[Stangkiller]

Are there new taxes on ammo that I missed? Are the ammo companies in league with the Obama administration to jack up prices unnecessarily?

While I'd agree completely that Obama would love to see us disarmed, I fail to see the connection to the existing prices of ammo.

It's been a while since i've heard about it. But my understanding is the military used to sell it's casings to ammo manufacturers, which would be reused and re-sold to the private market. But that program stopped and all casings are now destroyed, at a higher cost to the US government.

[69camfrk]

Feds will try to disarm us yet.

They will try, and that is when America will enter a new era. It might get damn ugly for a minute though. Currently the Dept. of homeland security is buying MASSIVE amounts of .40 cal and 5.56. Something is up and I'm pretty sure it is no good.:sadangel:

[69camfrk]

It's been a while since i've heard about it. But my understanding is the military used to sell it's casings to ammo manufacturers, which would be reused and re-sold to the private market. But that program stopped and all casings are now destroyed, at a higher cost to the US government.

They are still selling them. Go to Gov't liquidators.com or something like that. You can buy tractor trailer loads of brass.

[RedLS1GTO]

To be honest I'm not really sure what is driving the cost increase other than the large demand with the current instability.

I'd like to see it come back down and I don't see any reason it wouldn't should we get things under control a little bit... but I'm not holding my breath.

[RedLS1GTO]

They will try, and that is when America will enter a new era. It might get damn ugly for a minute though. Currently the Dept. of homeland security is buying MASSIVE amounts of .40 cal and 5.56. Something is up and I'm pretty sure it is no good.:sadangel:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and its Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office is getting an "indefinite delivery" of an "indefinite quantity" of .40 caliber ammunition from defense contractor ATK.

U.S. agents will receive a maximum of 450 million rounds over five years, according to a press release on the deal.

The high performance HST bullets are designed for law enforcement and ATK says they offer "optimum penetration for terminal performance."

This refers to the the bullet's hollow-point tip that passes through barriers and expands for a bigger impact without the rest of the bullet getting warped out of shape: "this bullet holds its jacket in the toughest conditions."

We've also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they're looking for up to 175 million rounds of .223 caliber ammo to be exact. The .223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

The deadline for earlier this month was extended because the right contractor just hadn't come along.

Looks like the Department of Homeland Security means business.

Read more: US Immigration Agents Are Loading Up On As Many As 450 Million New Rounds Of Ammo - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3#ixzz1rsekGB30)



Interesting that they specifically called out .223 instead of the NATO 5.56.

Wonder why. The only thing I could think of is more flexibility with what rifles can be used.

[NB2K]

IDIQ contracts are very common.

[Bill]

Pay for ammo? Pffft. I'm planning on just wearing a hoodie and looting the local Wal-mart for ammo after the Zimmerman verdict. No one will ever suspect me. Oh wait.....damn.....maybe I shouldn't have said anything....nevermind.

[Issues]

Hopefully once Obama is out and the new Republican administration takes over and a minute of time goes by = lower prices.

[Bill]

Hopefully once Obama is out and the new Republican administration takes over and a minute of time goes by = lower prices.

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[Issues]

http://chicksontheright.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/obama-gun-salesman1.jpg

:lol:

With the high ammo prices is why i won't buy weopons of different calibers, I will stick with my 9mm and .40

Next toy will be 9mm Carbine :D

[Torqaholic]

To be honest I'm not really sure what is driving the cost increase other than the large demand with the current instability.
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Inflation is hitting everything. Can't double the money supply without doubling the price of goods. What took a couple years for the price to double will soon be one year, then 6 months, then money will become worthless to ordinary people.

That's why I bought a lifetime supplies of various things when that first trillion dollar stimulus passed through congress. Lucky for me my lifetime is limited to about the next 20 years. I just need to be careful not to gain weight so all those clothes won't fit :rofl:

[RedLS1GTO]

Inflation is hitting everything. Can't double the money supply without doubling the price of goods.

That's very true... but ammo prices are going up at a rate much higher than the overall inflation.

[Silverspeed]

To be honest I'm not really sure what is driving the cost increase other than the large demand with the current instability.

I'd like to see it come back down and I don't see any reason it wouldn't should we get things under control a little bit... but I'm not holding my breath.

All you have to do is read this thread for the reason ammo prices are rising. Do you remember what happened to them the second Obama got elected? People thinking their guns and ammo were going to be taken prompted stockpiling, which led to shortages, which led to price increases. The funny part about that is that after the initial shortages were over, the prices never came back down.

I remember buying boxes of WWB 9mm 50 count at Academy for 6.99 a box 5 years ago. Those prices are long gone never to return, and it has nothing to do with prices of material costs to manufacturers. They(mayfacturers and retailers) saw that people were buying just as much at the higher prices, so there was no reason to bring them back down. If I was in their shoes, I wouldn't lower them either.

[ConstantChange]

I just recently got into guns/shooting. From reading threads on various gun forums, it's pretty crazy how much the prices have increased, but it all comes down to supply and demand. Over the past few years, demand has increased significantly.

I bought a .22 pistol to use for my fun shooting. A box of 550 rounds of Federal runs about $20. I heard it ran about $12-15 a few years ago.

Personally, it's no longer fun when it cost .25+ cents to pull the trigger.

[allthrottleandsomebottle]

In a nutshell over the last few decades............ammo is like the gasoline and the stock market :D up and down for various reasons
I have been lucky enough to time buying much of my ammo at lower prices and I reload so I have a lot of stuff to reload if new ammo gets to high.
My hardest to find new at a good price is the 375 Winchester, everything else is easy pezzey :)

[RedLS1GTO]

Personally, it's no longer fun when it cost .25+ cents to pull the trigger.

In that case, you better stick to the .22! :willy:

[onedef92]

All you have to do is read this thread for the reason ammo prices are rising. Do you remember what happened to them the second Obama got elected? People thinking their guns and ammo were going to be taken prompted stockpiling, which led to shortages, which led to price increases. The funny part about that is that after the initial shortages were over, the prices never came back down.

I remember buying boxes of WWB 9mm 50 count at Academy for 6.99 a box 5 years ago. Those prices are long gone never to return, and it has nothing to do with prices of material costs to manufacturers. They(mayfacturers and retailers) saw that people were buying just as much at the higher prices, so there was no reason to bring them back down. If I was in their shoes, I wouldn't lower them either.


"There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men.'" The Twilight Zone episode, ""The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street" Season 1, Episode 22

[Blademaker]

:lol:

With the high ammo prices is why i won't buy weopons of different calibers, I will stick with my 9mm and .40

Next toy will be 9mm Carbine :D

I suggest this one:

http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/80547a.jpg

Berretta Storm 9mm

I chose this over an Uzi.
Shouldering the Uzi was like shouldering a brick, IMHO.

[Flatbush Harry]

Well hell, 30-06 is like $2.25 each around here. Where did you order it from? I was getting ready to retire mine if the prices got any higher.

:needcoffee:

I bought my CMP ammo (Greek HXP M2 Ball) when it wads $0.28/round. I can't reload that cheep...even with free brass. I do shoot my reloads though.

FH

[Flatbush Harry]

Hopefully once Obama is out and the new Republican administration takes over and a minute of time goes by = lower prices.

Keep dreaming.

Harry

[RedLS1GTO]

Keep dreaming.

Harry

:iagree:

I'd love to blame odumbass but I don't really think you can directly.

The only way he would be somewhat responsible is if you step out to the second order effects of the threats of tighter gun control laws and the increased demand for ammo due to the instability that he keeps adding to the mix.


This is a big reason that I usually try to scoop up ammo if I see a good deal, whether I need it or not. Chances are it will keep appreciating. Hell, if you were really bold you could buy up ammo as an investment. It is more stable and seeing larger gains in price than the stock market at this point.