We know that Zimmerman called him a "F*cking *oon"

[Mike Mercury]

ooops

CNN Back Peddles: George Zimmerman Said ‘Cold’ Not ‘Coon’
CNN now walks back their initial claim that George Zimmerman used the racial slur ‘coons’ while speaking to the 911 dispatcher.

We know Zimmerman had no injuries to the back of his head

ooops
ABC News exclusive: ABC News was wrong about George Zimmerman’s injuries.
a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long.

ABC News has reversed itself. Not a correction. Not a retraction. An “exclusive.” Their big scoop is that their previous big scoop was wrong.

from ABC: "Enhanced video footage of George Zimmerman being taken into custody less than 30 minutes after he shot and killed Florida teenTrayvon Martin shows the neighborhood watch captain with an injury to the back of his head."

CNN reports this new piece of video evidence would appear to lend credence to opposing versions of what happened the night Trayvon Martin died.

Sanford police released a new, higher-resolution surveillance video of Zimmerman entering the police station the night of Martin's death on February 26. The sharper footage shows a gash on Zimmerman's head more clearly than a previously released video.

So, now even CNN, ABC, NBC are admitting:

a. the NBC 911 call was doctored.

b. that Zimmerman never said the word "coon"

c. Video and EMS/ER records verify a gask on the back of the guards head.

I guess this will shut the mouths of Jackson, Sharpton, Black Panthers, and those still stuck in a cult.


.

[NB2K]

This gets more ridiculous every day.

This case is exactly why you should be extra-cautious when you have a CCW.

[onedef92]

Curiouser and curiouser (and shit!)

[themonk]

The court system is a f'kn joke anyways. A little girl gets murdered and her drunk ass party mother walks free, you steal $62k from a senior citizen you get 7 years in prison yet you hire an undercover cop to kill members of your family and you get 5 years in jail. At this point in time I have no faith in the justice system (yours or mine), it's a laughable at best and disgustingly shameful at worst. Cops walk free, murderers get a slap on the wrist, punk ass kids go to a fat camp and innocent people are being exonerated on a weekly basis. I weep for our society at present and fear that it's not going to get any better.

[NB2K]

Let's all assume that ol' Zimmerman is the most non-bigoted, big-hearted, colorblind SOB that ever walked the planet.
Let's assume that he was really tired of of living in a high-crime chithole of a 'hood and took his volunteer neighborhood watch "deputy" status very seriously.
Let's assume that Martin rushed him after he was confronted by Zimmerman and that Zimmerman did shoot him in self-defense.

Guess what?

Zimmerman may not be guilty of murder, but he will absolutely lose the civil suit that is sure to follow. From now on, he will pay every dime he has or is gonna have to the Martin family.

"You got any dreams? 'Cause we want them too..."

[Mike Mercury]

Guess what?

Zimmerman may not be guilty of murder, but he will absolutely lose the civil suit that is sure to follow.

wanna bet ?

Any civil suit won; will be overturned... and then a new suit filed... for it to be also overturned; until the lawyers see there's no money in it. Then the civil suits will vanish.

[Stangkiller]

Let's all assume that ol' Zimmerman is the most non-bigoted, big-hearted, colorblind SOB that ever walked the planet.
Let's assume that he was really tired of of living in a high-crime chithole of a 'hood and took his volunteer neighborhood watch "deputy" status very seriously.
Let's assume that Martin rushed him after he was confronted by Zimmerman and that Zimmerman did shoot him in self-defense.

Guess what?

Zimmerman may not be guilty of murder, but he will absolutely lose the civil suit that is sure to follow. From now on, he will pay every dime he has or is gonna have to the Martin family.

"You got any dreams? 'Cause we want them too..."

Under the self defense laws in Florida, if he is found to have justly used lethal force for his defense, he is immune from those lawsuits.

[NB2K]

wanna bet ?

Any civil suit won; will be overturned... and then a new suit filed... for it to be also overturned; until the lawyers see there's no money in it. Then the civil suits will vanish.

Yes, I will take that bet and give you odds. (2/1)

He can appeal or whatever and I don't know how much the Martin's will ever actually collect, but I know for fact he will lose on wrongful death. Remember, the burden of proof is substantially less in a civil suit.

Whether either one of us will live long enough to have to pay off is another matter.

It will be tied up in the courts for a long damn while.

[onedef92]

It will be tied up in the courts for a long damn while.

Hell, it'll probably land in the Supreme Court before all's said and done.

[NB2K]

Under the self defense laws in Florida, if he is found to have justly used lethal force for his defense, he is immune from those lawsuits.

That's a good thing to know and an excellent law, but I think his problem is going to come in by the fact that he escalated the situation.

There's enough doubt about the death that I think he's in a bind on the civil side.

Of course, my law degree is hanging on the wall right by my medical degree.:D

[Stangkiller]

That's a good thing to know and an excellent law, but I think his problem is going to come in by the fact that he escalated the situation.

There's enough doubt about the death that I think he's in a bind on the civil side.

Of course, my law degree is hanging on the wall right by my medical degree.:D

If he used the weapon in self defense, he was defending himself not escalating. His side of the story says he was attacked after he stopped following Treyvon. If the police can't prove otherwise I think he will be absolutely immune from any lawsuits that result.

[NB2K]

If he used the weapon in self defense, he was defending himself not escalating. His side of the story says he was attacked after he stopped following Treyvon. If the police can't prove otherwise I think he will be absolutely immune from any lawsuits that result.

Did he get out of the truck and follow Treyvon after he talked to 911?

[Stangkiller]

Did he get out of the truck and follow Treyvon after he talked to 911?

My impression was he was following and once 911 told him to stop, he headed back to his truck, which is where he was attacked from behind, near his truck.

This was my impression a few days/week ago, so if new info has come out, forgive me.

[NB2K]

My impression was he was following and once 911 told him to stop, he headed back to his truck, which is where he was attacked from behind, near his truck.

This was my impression a few days/week ago, so if new info has come out, forgive me.

If that's the case, he is in better shape than I thought.

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.
I thought he got out of the truck and followed Treyvon after he talked with 911, so if I heard that wrong, that's a key point.

[onedef92]

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.

Reckon this'll be the new trial of the century?

[themonk]

Under the self defense laws in Florida, if he is found to have justly used lethal force for his defense, he is immune from those lawsuits.

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid who didn't have any form of combat/martial arts training, are you saying that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 18 yo skinny kid and was in fear of his life?

[Mike Mercury]

My impression was he was following and once 911 told him to stop, he headed back to his truck, which is where he was attacked from behind, near his truck.

This was my impression a few days/week ago, so if new info has come out, forgive me.

That is accurate.

Zimmerman was asked by 911 to give them a street and apartment number (this is after he lost site of Trayvon). Zimmerman walked around to the front of the building/apartment/condos... got an accurate unit number - and was walking back to his vehicle. This is all proven via the full and entire 911 recording... not the NBC doctored version :D

Trayvon followed Zimmerman; and at that point confronted the guard.

it's this simple; if you're wanting the facts; they are out there (though you will have to dig to find them).

If your belief system only wants it appear to be one way... & one way only; then you can pick & choose from the mis-information and fashion a story (though not accurate) that keeps one in the graces of their cult.

[Stangkiller]

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid who didn't have any form of combat/martial arts training, are you saying that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 18 yo skinny kid?

Yeah an 18 y/o punk, jumped an older fatter guy? Sure, it happens all the time.

Not to mention the injuries incurred by Zimmermann are consistent with his story.
No where does the law say you have to match force, or even fear for your life, only that you're entitled to defend yourself.

[04 commemorative]

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.

Reckon this'll be the new trial of the century?

:iagree:

but when it's black on black or white on white....you never hear about them

[themonk]

Yeah an 18 y/o punk, jumped an older fatter guy? Sure, it happens all the time.

Not to mention the injuries incurred by Zimmermann are consistent with his story.
No where does the law say you have to match force, or even fear for your life, only that you're entitled to defend yourself.

an 18 y o 140 lb punk against a 250 lb man, face to face, no jumping involved, yeah, that does happen all the time. :rolleyes:

Did Zimmerman even mention to the kid that he had a gun, of course not.

[Stangkiller]

Did Zimmerman even mention to the kid that he had a gun, of course not.
That's gun handling 101..you don't tell somebody you have a gun or point it at them until you intend to use it.

[Fasglas]

wanna bet ?

Any civil suit won; will be overturned... and then a new suit filed... for it to be also overturned; until the lawyers see there's no money in it. Then the civil suits will vanish.

Correct, and speaking of CIVIL suits, perhaps Rev. Al should be reminded of what he STILL owes Steve Pagonis, and why it's owed...
:smash::smash::smash:

[Datawiz]

Thanks for update. Just finished a six hour interview. At airport.

[NB2K]

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.

Reckon this'll be the new trial of the century?

No 'bout adoubt it.

The media feeds on drama and this is already like the OJ deal.

[themonk]

That's gun handling 101..you don't tell somebody you have a gun or point it at them until you intend to use it.

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

[NB2K]

Yeah an 18 y/o punk, jumped an older fatter guy? Sure, it happens all the time.

Not to mention the injuries incurred by Zimmermann are consistent with his story.
No where does the law say you have to match force, or even fear for your life, only that you're entitled to defend yourself.

100% fact.

Nobody has to take an ass-whipping, esp if you don't know if will stop there.

[Stangkiller]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

Absolutely not!

No way should he have announced he had a gun just to give Treyvon a chance to get it from him.

In no case should he have pointed a loaded gun at somebody as a warning.

Godforbid the gun accidentally go off,while just flashing it as a warning.

Again that's just gun handling 101.

And that last part is your pure conjecture, you've convicted this guy long before all the evidence has been provided to you.

[theanswriz42]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.
That's not the best advice. Then you run the potential of someone trying to grab your gun. If someone jumps me, I'm not asking questions and furthermore, I don't think you'd be thinking as rationally as you would when you're in the comfort of your own home.

[Mike Mercury]

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid

Am I mis-reading you here?? or are you trying to say that -weeks later- the info now known should of been realized that evening as the guard was knocked down... with a thug on top wailing on him, in the dark; while raining?

You're asking for that Dick Tracy watch - where you can push a button and "hold everything" and take awhile to sort things out; and then resume from there. It hasn't been invented yet.

I'm certainly not going to wait to feel a gun shot wound & see my blood pouring out... before taking measures to save my - or my wifes- own life from an attack.

Arm-chair-quarterbacking, weeks after the game is played, is silliness.

[RedLS1GTO]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case).

Ummmmmm.... no.

[Sea Six]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

Obviously, Monk's from Canada, where they don't allow their citizens to carry guns for self defense.

He's never been trained on the proper use of a carry weapon. I guess his reasoning on how to use a gun for self defense comes from his own musings and from the movies.

Don't even THINK about following this advice.

[pappytinker]

I guess this will shut the mouths of Jackson, Sharpton, Black Panthers, and those still stuck in a cult.

There you go dreaming again.

[Chris Fowler]

Obviously, Monk's from Canada, where they don't allow their citizens to carry guns for self defense.

He's never been trained on the proper use of a carry weapon. I guess his reasoning on how to use a gun for self defense comes from his own musings and from the movies.

Don't even THINK about following this advice.
:withstupid:

[Vette Jockey]

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid who didn't have any form of combat/martial arts training, are you saying that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 18 yo skinny kid and was in fear of his life?

Your observations have been formed by Hollywierd and not real life.

How does a 70# dog take down a 250# man? It is not the size of the dog; it is the size of the bite, or the viciousness of the attack. Caught off guard, most untrained people do not react fast enough to prevent, let alone stop an attack, and are always behind the curve. Those that are trained often have embarrassing moments at social occasions.

You are also not taking into account how vulnerable to injury the back of the head is. One rock in the wrong place could have left him a paraplegic in another place dead.

The simple acronym for use of force is AOJ. The suspect has to have the Ability to put the victim at risk. The suspect has to have the Opportunity to injure the victim. The suspect has to put the victim in Jeopardy.

If an LEO had happened on the scene and seen someone bashing someone’s head into the ground, they would have been justified in using force to prevent or stop the attack. If they thought the attack could end in death or serious injury, lethal force may be used.

The facts of the case may not be fully known, but the above facts on use of force, though simplified, are.

[RedLS1GTO]

On a side note... I saw this today from the Orlando Sentinel.

A Sanford police incident report says Trayvon was 6 feet tall and weighed 160 pounds. A spokesman for the family's lawyers gave a slightly different set of numbers: 6 feet 1 and 150 pounds. Zimmerman is 5 feet 9 inches tall, according to the police report, but it is silent about his weight. A family member says he currently weighs about 190 pounds.

Look at the pictures. If he is 5'9 there is no way he weighs 250lbs.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0330-trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman/12156156-1-eng-US/0330-trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman_full_600.jpg

Of course it sounds a whole lot better if ignore things like facts.

[Mike Mercury]

Of course it sounds a whole lot better if ignore things like facts.

http://www.tim-yvonne.com/gif/bell1.gif

[C5Nate]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.Absolutely not!

No way should he have announced he had a gun just to give Treyvon a chance to get it from him.

In no case should he have pointed a loaded gun at somebody as a warning.

Godforbid the gun accidentally go off,while just flashing it as a warning.

Again that's just gun handling 101.

And that last part is your pure conjecture, you've convicted this guy long before all the evidence has been provided to you.




:confused:

Have you even read any of the ACTUAL reports on the incident or are you just following the lead of Jackson and Sharpton?


The 911 tapes reports said Zimmerman followed Martin briefly to see where he was going. The 911 operator, (not a police office, a 911 operator advised him to not follow). While returning to his truck he was attacked by Martin.

If I have a gun and am attacked, I'm not going to try to see if I can out fight the guy, the gun is coming out and it will be used to kill.

[Blue 92]

Ah.

The old "Show them the handle" school of self defense.

If that actually worked we could all just carry wooden handles. :rofl:

[SnikPlosskin]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

Mr monk,

With all due respect, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You NEVER draw a weapon unless your life is in immenent danger. And if your life is in danger, you pull the gun and shoot to kill.

If the gun comes out, someone is getting shot. Those of us who are properly trained know this. We are also trained to avoid situations where this scenario is likely. However, if it happens, it is better to be judged by 12 than to be buried by 6.

[themonk]

Absolutely not!

No way should he have announced he had a gun just to give Treyvon a chance to get it from him.

In no case should he have pointed a loaded gun at somebody as a warning.

Godforbid the gun accidentally go off,while just flashing it as a warning.

Again that's just gun handling 101.

And that last part is your pure conjecture, you've convicted this guy long before all the evidence has been provided to you.

I don't understand how you seem to think that this 140lb kid could over take a 250lb man, I really fail to see that.

Mr monk,

With all due respect, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You NEVER draw a weapon unless your life is in immenent danger. And if your life is in danger, you pull the gun and shoot to kill.

If the gun comes out, someone is getting shot. Those of us who are properly trained know this. We are also trained to avoid situations where this scenario is likely. However, if it happens, it is better to be judged by 12 than to be buried by 6.

With all due respect to you too sir, please read my above statement.

[Blademaker]

Mr monk,

With all due respect, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You NEVER draw a weapon unless your life is in immenent danger. And if your life is in danger, you pull the gun and shoot to kill.

If the gun comes out, someone is getting shot. Those of us who are properly trained know this. We are also trained to avoid situations where this scenario is likely. However, if it happens, it is better to be judged by 12 than to be buried by 6.

http://oels.byu.edu/student/idioms/idioms/images/hit_nail_on_head.jpg

[HeatherO]

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid who didn't have any form of combat/martial arts training, are you saying that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 18 yo skinny kid and was in fear of his life?

I 'heard' Zimmerman weighs around 180...and that Martin weighed a little less, but had some height on Zimmerman :dunno:

I love how the media displayed a pic of a cute little boy, and a pic of Zimmerman that was about 10 yrs old :rolleyes:

[Stangkiller]

I don't understand how you seem to think that this 140lb kid could over take a 250lb man, I really fail to see that.



With all due respect to you too sir, please read my above statement.

First of all, I doubt he was only 140lbs. Second of all he is at least 4" taller..a whole lot younger and far faster..it's VERY believable he jumped Zimmerman and took him down.

Shit Joe Buck took me down last summer even though I out weighed him by a significant amount.

But even if on paper Zimmerman coud have kicked his ass...HE doesn't HAVE to fight knuckle to knuckle he's more than allowed to defend himself.......which he did with ONE shot.

[kylebuck]

First of all, I doubt he was only 140lbs. Second of all he is at least 4" taller..a whole lot younger and far faster..it's VERY believable he jumped Zimmerman and took him down.

Shit Joe Buck took me down last summer even though I out weighed him by a significant amount.

But even if on paper Zimmerman coud have kicked his ass...HE doesn't HAVE to fight knuckle to knuckle he's more than allowed to defend himself.......which he did with ONE shot.

fighting is for kids, old people shoot you.

[Kevin_73]

fighting is for kids, old people shoot you.

You should remember that at barn raising. :yesnod: :lol:

[Grey Ghost]

I hate the mainstream media with their selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings, etc...They act like the judge, jury, and executioner with their coverage. What ever happened to just reporting the news ?


I love how the media displayed a pic of a cute little boy, and a pic of Zimmerman that was about 10 yrs old :rolleyes:

[Stangkiller]

I hate the mainstream media with their selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings, etc...They act like the judge, jury, and executioner with their coverage. What ever happened to just reporting the news ?

Apparently that doesn't get you ratings anymore.

[Olustee bus]

If you shot and killed an unarmed kid, would you be willing to scrape your head on the sidewalk or even break your own nose for an alibi? I would!

[RedLS1GTO]

On a side note... I saw this today from the Orlando Sentinel.

A Sanford police incident report says Trayvon was 6 feet tall and weighed 160 pounds. A spokesman for the family's lawyers gave a slightly different set of numbers: 6 feet 1 and 150 pounds. Zimmerman is 5 feet 9 inches tall, according to the police report, but it is silent about his weight. A family member says he currently weighs about 190 pounds.

Look at the pictures. If he is 5'9 there is no way he weighs 250lbs.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0330-trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman/12156156-1-eng-US/0330-trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman_full_600.jpg

Of course it sounds a whole lot better if ignore things like facts.



I don't understand how you seem to think that this 140lb kid could over take a 250lb man, I really fail to see that.

Why are you so stuck on this? Why do you keep making it sound like Trayvon was some poor, helpless kid and Zimmerman is a huge menacing giant of a man? No matter how you spin it, Trayvon Martin was an in shape 17 year old. He wasn't a helpless, frail little kid.

Look at the picture of Zimmerman. He is 5'9. That much is known for fact. With that in mind, does that look like a 250lb man to you?

I think not.

[Mike Mercury]

JC; if it were me, I'd call the cult and say "I want my dues back".

Why do you keep making it sound like Trayvon was some poor, helpless kid

maybe because the facts don't fit the belief system ?

you might not hear these over the main media outlets; but they are 100% factual. I encourage you to check the validity for yourself.

Trayvon has been suspended from school more than once for:
*truancy
*being caught with a marijuana pipe
*being caught with burglary tools
*and in possession of womens jewelry that didn't belong to him. Trayvon was on suspension the day he got killed.

Trayvon is 6'1" tall. (some media reports show him at 6' even... all the way to 6'3")

older pic that the media is sure to make certain you see:
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin-293x300.jpg

most are the two most recent pics of Trayvon - that the media (for some reason?) keeps skipping over:
http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ax26X.jpg

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obma-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-photos-images-race-baiting-obama-photo-media-bias-sad-hill-news.jpg

.

[Stangkiller]

http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/621937-post9.html

(if it were me; I'd call the cult and say "I want my dues back)



maybe because the facts don't fit the belief system ?

you might not hear these over the main media outlets; but they are 100% factual. I encourage you to check the validity for yourself.

Trayvon has been suspended from school more than once for:
*truancy
*being caught with a marijuana pipe
*being caught with burglary tools
*and in possession of womens jewelry that didn't belong to him. Trayvon was on suspension the day he got killed.

Trayvon is 6'1" tall. (some media reports show him at 6' even... all the way to 6'3")

older pic that the media is sure to make certain you see:
http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin-293x300.jpg

most recent pic of Trayvon - that the media (for some reason?) keeps skipping over:
http://www.wagist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ax26X.jpg

The thing about this case is it seems to so clearly prove a bias within the media. While yes the bias is almost always prevalent this seems to be one of the most blatant cases in a long time, and yet not a single news outlet has apologized for it, only admitted an 'error'.

More so than the killing of Treyvon, I think the biggest outrage is the media coverage that has followed. I'd really like to see some of these big media companies slapped with some major lawsuits.

[OddBall]

The thing about this case is it seems to so clearly prove a bias within the media. While yes the bias is almost always prevalent this seems to be one of the most blatant cases in a long time, and yet not a single news outlet has apologized for it, only admitted an 'error'.

More so than the killing of Treyvon, I think the biggest outrage is the media coverage that has followed. I'd really like to see some of these big media companies slapped with some major lawsuits.

:iagree: Seriously. Standard issue yellow journalism.

[DJ_Critterus]

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.

Reckon this'll be the new trial of the century?

More like a circus.

[DJ_Critterus]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

In most cases, it's illegal for a CCW holder to announce they have a weapon or show unless they intend to use it. Immediately after stopping the threat (submission or death), it's in the cCW holder's best interest to call the police and be on record doing so.

I carry and don't show my Handle. Certain people int he community know I carry, but none ever see it and that's the way it's supposed to be. only an idiot announces he has a weapon so that his adversary has time to think about what's going on and possibly respond the same way.

[Scissors]

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

1. Know subject before weighing in on it
2. ???
3. Profit

[Scissors]

Hey, Monk:

156 pounds:
http://www.fighting-mma.com/images/ben-henderson.jpg

250 pounds:
http://www.ricardoaleman.com/images//before.jpg

Who's going to win a fist fight?

[themonk]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:

Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.

[Scissors]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

So your false assertion that you can read others' minds is proof of your other assertion that racism is "alive and strong"? Is that what we are to take away from this?

Please, point out a single similar situation where I have "screamed bloody murder". What about the case where the white Seattle police officer shot the black homeless guy for having a pocket knife? Who did I blame? Hint: not the black guy.

[Scissors]

By the way, shooting someone for no reason is always wrong, unless they are a bitch and the bullet penetrates the face.

Shooting someone for attacking you when you are in fear for your life is always right.

[Stangkiller]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:

Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.
So because you don't understand basic gun ownership and handling fundamentals, that somehow makes the rest of us on this forum Racists? If Treyvon wasn't black and was hispanic just like Zimmerman, this would have been an open and shut case of self defense (as it was originally labeled after the first investigation).

You also seem to miss the part where the police told Zimmerman to back of AND HE DID. BUT WAS JUMPED AT HIS TRUCK. AFTER FOLLOWING POLICE INSTRUCTION AND BACKING OFF. But that fact is convenient to leave off in order to rationalize your position on this case.

You mean this reversed situation?
http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/politics-religion-controversy/32249-real-racist-attacks-sanford-florida.html

You say Justice will never be served...but what about Justice for Zimmerman? He's been determined to be self defense once already. Oh wait you're not willing to admit this very well may have been a justifiable shooting.

[OddBall]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:

Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.


right.

[Sea Six]

Monk,

When i'm being called a racial slur, I prefer the term cracka-assed cracka.

[RedLS1GTO]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed.

Whiteys? Are you f**king kidding me? :rolleyes:

What would you be screaming if the WHITE Panthers offered a $10,000 reward for the capture of a black man who had not been charged with a crime "Dead or Alive"? What would you be screaming if a white Hollywood celebrity used Twitter to post the address of this black man who had not been charged with any crime? What would you be screaming if every time a white person was killed by a black person everybody from "Reverends" to the President of the United States turned it racial and used it to drive a wedge between the races?


This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves.

It would also be a non-issue if it was a black killing a white.

So tell me ... why are you in here arguing this but I haven't seen you outraged by the deaths of James Cooper or James Kouzaris who were shot execution style by Shawn Tyson, a black 17 year old?

Why haven't I seen the name Allen Goin blasted nonstop by the media? In case you missed it, he is the white kid in Kansas who got doused in gasoline and lit on fire while his black attackers yelled "You get what you deserve white boy."

Why is it that nobody seems to care that Julius Bender and Yahaziel Israel, 18 and 19 years old beat a 50 year old white man with a f**king hammer, drug him into the woods and left him for dead?

Why is it that nobody is going around yelling "Justice for John" in the case of John Sanderson, a 21 year old student shot and killed by 3 black males who have not been caught?



What is different about Trayvon Martin?? :bigears:


Funny that you call people "armchair know nothing know it all's" when you don't have even the slightest clue what happened and have already come to a verdict.

[Sea Six]

Monk, in YOUR OWN OPINION, why hasn't Zimmerman been charged?

:waiting:

[04 commemorative]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:

Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.

You sir... really have some nerve calling anyone "whitey"
You're no better than anyone else here that might be trying to start trouble.
I hope your avatar is pointing at you !

[Chris Fowler]

Off the top of my head, these are the facts that I have been told so far.

- Trayvon was walking back from the store to his girlfriend's father's house, which was in the gated community.
- Trayvon was walking back from the store to his girlfriend's father's house taking a short-cut through the gated community.
- Trayvon's girlfriend's father's house is not near the gated community

- Zimmerman was told by 911 to stop following Trayvon and he did not comply
- Zimmerman was told by 911 to stop following Trayvon and he did comply, returning to his truck

- Trayvon was "hunted down like a rabid dog and executed"
- Trayvon jumped Zimmerman as Zimmerman was returning to his truck after being told to stop following Trayvon by the 911 operator

- Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon, pounding him into the ground and then shot him
- Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, pounding him into the ground when he was shot
- Trayvon, per the medical examiner, had no injuries to his hands consistent with hitting someone

- Zimmerman showed none of the supposed injuries
- Zimmerman was treated by medical professionals at the site
- Zimmerman had a broken nose
- Zimmerman had a gash on the back of his head

- Zimmerman was released immediately from the site
- Zimmerman was taken to the police station, but quickly released
- Zimmerman was taken to the police station, interviewed for 4-5 hours, and released

- Trayvon weighed 140
- Trayvon weighed 170
- Zimmerman weighed 250
- Zimmerman weighed 180

- Zimmerman called Trayvon a "coon"
- Zimmerman did not call Trayvon a "coon"

- Zimmerman immediately identified Trayvon as black to the 911 operator
- Zimmerman did not mention race until prompted by the 911 operator

Given all of those "facts", it's obvious why everyone is positive what happened. :yesnod:

[Scissors]

Obviously racist:
Trayvon Martin shooting: George Zimmerman once protested treatment of homeless black man by police, his father says * - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-protested-treatment-homeless-black-man-police-father-article-1.1057162)

[DJ_Critterus]

You sir... really have some nerve calling anyone "whitey"
You're no better than anyone else here that might be trying to start trouble.
I hope your avatar is pointing at you !

I believe he's half white ;)

Monk, you're way out in la la land on this argument. Throwing down the race card here makes you no better than the racists spreading disinformation in that news about this case.

[Sea Six]

I believe he's half white ;)



I am starting to realize it's not that black-and-white (pardon the expression).

Here is what led me to my conundrum:

1. Zimmerman is half Hispanic, half white. The black community has processed this information and concluded that Zimmerman is white. - :skep:

2. Obama is half white, half black. The black community has processed this information and concluded that Obama is black. :skep:

3. The Monk is half black, half white. Since, as he has identified himself in this thread to be an indisputable white-hater, must not consider himself white... therefore, he considers himself black. :confused5:

Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think that the person considering which race a mixed-parentage individual is, is... factoring in their own political agenda before reaching their conclusion.


Did I get it right, Monk?

[04 commemorative]

I believe he's half white ;)

Monk, you're way out in la la land on this argument. Throwing down the race card here makes you no better than the racists spreading disinformation in that news about this case.

yeah.....so is our first......"black" president....name calling is name calling....period.
What does him being 1/2 white have to do with anything?

[6spdC6]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.
This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:




Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.


:puke:




So much bullshit so little time. Like most radical blacks or 1/2 black for you there is more dumb/ wrong in your post than right. Others have attempted to tell you but your blackness will not allow you to get it straight.

Your quote:"Am I pissed off" Your dammed right I’m pissed off, getting tired of all the bad mouthing and demonstrations being done by your LEADERS sharpton Jackson naacp nbp vilifying me and other whites simply because I’m white.


"This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black" Quote MONK
Your quote needs special handling and because I'm not afflicted with political correctness I will say it.

Your quote above is correct because of the volume that blacks kill other blacks. The biggest cause of death of young black males is other young black males. It so common that it hardly rates a big headline in the paper. HOW COME YOU BLACKS NEVER MAKE A STINK ABOUT THIS? Possibly because a LOT of your people are living under jungle rules. Only the tough survive in other words.

Here is a repost of something I wrote earlier that deals with your bullshit READ IT AND LEARN!


"Shit it’s well known that the biggest cause of death to young black males is other young black males. The hundreds they kill among themselves each year no big deal.

It normally goes like this a few of them say he was a good boy or he was turning his life around. They build a shrine at the spot he was killed. They have the funeral and a good chance a shooting will happen there too. Wait for the next young black to die (normally not a long time frame.) Repeat

I guess they get upset if they think some other race for whatever reason has killed one of theirs. They act like they were cheated of the opportunity!" Quote 6spdc6

[Bucwheat]

ooops

CNN Back Peddles: George Zimmerman Said ‘Cold’ Not ‘Coon’
CNN now walks back their initial claim that George Zimmerman used the racial slur ‘coons’ while speaking to the 911 dispatcher.

We know Zimmerman had no injuries to the back of his head

ooops
ABC News exclusive: ABC News was wrong about George Zimmerman’s injuries.
a still image from the video indicates what appears to be a vertical laceration or scar several inches long.

ABC News has reversed itself. Not a correction. Not a retraction. An “exclusive.” Their big scoop is that their previous big scoop was wrong.

from ABC: "Enhanced video footage of George Zimmerman being taken into custody less than 30 minutes after he shot and killed Florida teenTrayvon Martin shows the neighborhood watch captain with an injury to the back of his head."

CNN reports this new piece of video evidence would appear to lend credence to opposing versions of what happened the night Trayvon Martin died.

Sanford police released a new, higher-resolution surveillance video of Zimmerman entering the police station the night of Martin's death on February 26. The sharper footage shows a gash on Zimmerman's head more clearly than a previously released video.

So, now even CNN, ABC, NBC are admitting:

a. the NBC 911 call was doctored.

b. that Zimmerman never said the word "coon"

c. Video and EMS/ER records verify a gask on the back of the guards head.

I guess this will shut the mouths of Jackson, Sharpton, Black Panthers, and those still stuck in a cult.


.

I was listening to Neil Boortz when he was explaining that Wed. It's getting where you can't believe the news media anymore.And Jackson & Sharpton will never give up race baiting. They are and will always be clowns.

[04 commemorative]

I was listening to Neil Boortz when he was explaining that Wed. It's getting where you can't believe the news media anymore.And Jackson & Sharpton will never give up race baiting. They are and will always be clowns.

why......you can't be saying that......what we hear in the media is......not true !
Holy Crap......:rofl:

And yes Jackson & Sharpton are bigger trouble makers than anyone.

[DJ_Critterus]

yeah.....so is our first......"black" president....name calling is name calling....period.
What does him being 1/2 white have to do with anything?

It goes along with his "Whitey" comment. Something about irony......

[Mike Mercury]

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy



that list is as complete as NBC's 911 tape. :lol:

Why did you leave out specific facts - from your list?

If you're trying to Jedi-Mind-Trick people (by telling an incomplete story)... that schit stopped workling back in the 20th century. With all the outlets available now; the only person to be fooled by truncated lists... are the list maker himself.

and this one: Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"

The guard did just that. Trayvon followed the security guard. That is what happened. Still refusing to believe what truly happened? Well, that's your right.

But do you seriously think you can fool the rest of us ?

Is it too difficult for you to say "the media duped me" ?

[Sea Six]

that list is as complete as NBC's 911 tape. :lol:

Why did you leave out specific facts - from your list?

If you're trying to Jedi-Mind-Trick people (by telling an incomplete story)... that schit stopped workling back in the 20th century. With all the outlets available now; the only person to be fooled by truncated lists... are the list maker himself.

and this one: Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"

The guard did just that. Trayvon followed the security guard. That is what happened. Still refusing to believe what truly happened? Well, that's your right.

But do you seriously think you can fool the rest of us ?

Is it too difficult for you to say "the media duped me" ?


Jeopardy!- Think Music: 1960s; 1984-1997 - YouTube

[themonk]

Whiteys? Are you f**king kidding me? :rolleyes:

What would you be screaming if the WHITE Panthers offered a $10,000 reward for the capture of a black man who had not been charged with a crime "Dead or Alive"? What would you be screaming if a white Hollywood celebrity used Twitter to post the address of this black man who had not been charged with any crime? What would you be screaming if every time a white person was killed by a black person everybody from "Reverends" to the President of the United States turned it racial and used it to drive a wedge between the races?




It would also be a non-issue if it was a black killing a white.

So tell me ... why are you in here arguing this but I haven't seen you outraged by the deaths of James Cooper or James Kouzaris who were shot execution style by, Shawn Tyson, a black 17 year old?

Why haven't I seen the name Allen Goin blasted nonstop by the media? In case you missed it, he is the white kid in Kansas who got doused in gasoline and lit on fire while his black attackers yelled "You get what you deserve white boy."

Why is it that nobody seems to care that Julius Bender and Yahaziel Israel, 18 and 19 years old beat a 50 year old white man with a f**king hammer, drug him into the woods and left him for dead?

Why is it that nobody is going around yelling "Justice for John" in the case of John Sanderson, a 21 year old student shot and killed by 3 black males who have not been caught?



What is different about Trayvon Martin?? :bigears:


Funny that you call people "armchair know nothing know it all's" when you don't have even the slightest clue what happened and have already come to a verdict.

Why am I not arguing you wanna know why......because they caught the person responsible for their deaths and he's in jail now, that's why, is it that hard not to see. The person that killed TM is not in custody and isn't facing any charges.....what part of my statement did you not understand, I'm pissed off because of the lack of justice being served!!!!!!!

Any other questions?

You wanna mention Black Panthers, well how about the many white supremacist groups that are known to the government, they far out number the black movement, funny how those NEVER get mentioned.

Funny, you people don't have a clue as to what happened either and you all are saying good for Zimmerman, he protected himself. Were you people there, NO, only two people were, one isn't saying a word and they other is dead.

Like I thought, nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

It's funny, no one has answered my question yet, why is that, because you don't know the answer, none of you do, nor will you ever because that coward Zimmerman won't answer to the public.

[04 commemorative]

Why am I not arguing you wanna know why......because they caught the person responsible for their deaths and he's in jail now, that's why, is it that hard not to see. The person that killed TM is not in custody and isn't facing any charges.....what part of my statement did you not understand, I'm pissed off because of the lack of justice being served!!!!!!!

Any other questions?

You wanna mention Black Panthers, well how about the many white supremacist groups that are known to the government, they far out number the black movement, funny how those NEVER get mentioned.

Funny, you people don't have a clue as to what happened either and you all are saying good for Zimmerman, he protected himself. Were you people there, NO, only two people were, one isn't saying a word and they other is dead.

Like I thought, nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

It's funny, no one has answered my question yet, why is that, because you don't know the answer, none of you do, nor will you ever because that coward Zimmerman won't answer to the public.

when you know what happened then you tell all of us idiots...until then and after that....stop the name calling you're a racist...... And for some reason can get away with it,

[Torqaholic]

Why am I not arguing you wanna know why......because they caught the person responsible for their deaths and he's in jail now, that's why, is it that hard not to see. The person that killed TM is not in custody and isn't facing any charges.....what part of my statement did you not understand, I'm pissed off because of the lack of justice being served!!!!!!!

Any other questions?

...

What part of justified self-defense don't you understand? Justice was served, a violent criminal is dead and he will never harm anyone again... But for the fact there are people like you who want to harm innocent people in his name :rofl:

[Sea Six]

Monk, what criteria did you use when you rejected the facts that exonerate Zimmerman, but kept the ones that lead you to believe he should have been arrested?

[Datawiz]

Monk,

I like you, but I think you are overly moved by the media. The mainstream media is proving itself to be whores who want nothing but sensationalism. Trayvon was not a good kid. He did not focus on school, rather screwing around. I fail to see the dilemma.

I understand he's black, but that does not give him a free pass.

[DJ_Critterus]

Why am I not arguing you wanna know why......because they caught the person responsible for their deaths and he's in jail now, that's why, is it that hard not to see. The person that killed TM is not in custody and isn't facing any charges.....what part of my statement did you not understand, I'm pissed off because of the lack of justice being served!!!!!!!

Any other questions?

You wanna mention Black Panthers, well how about the many white supremacist groups that are known to the government, they far out number the black movement, funny how those NEVER get mentioned.

Funny, you people don't have a clue as to what happened either and you all are saying good for Zimmerman, he protected himself. Were you people there, NO, only two people were, one isn't saying a word and they other is dead.

Like I thought, nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.

It's funny, no one has answered my question yet, why is that, because you don't know the answer, none of you do, nor will you ever because that coward Zimmerman won't answer to the public.

Justice is not convicting a man prior to any charges being filed or a trial taking place. Let the police and DA get their shit straight and file charges if they have the evidence to back it up. Right now, it looks like the evidence is pointing in favor of Zimmerman or he would already be behind bars waiting for a trial.

[vetteman9368]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year. :rolleyes:

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.

:waiting:

Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.

Wow. You are beyond help.

[DJ_Critterus]

Gotta say, this is the only thread, Monk, where i can honestly say you have gone off the deep end. I really do believe your take on the subject is f*cked up like a football bat.

Look up Castle Doctrine in FL. You'll see that deadly force is justifiable when a person feels there's a grave threat of bodily harm or death (and it's not really defined). If the facts of this case stand the way they are now, Zimmerman will not even be brought up on charges for defending himself even though the media, NBPs, and racists like Sharpton and Jackson have already convicted him.

[Blademaker]

Monk.......Whitey?

Go join thy jackyl brethren, Al and Jesse.

[Mike Mercury]

This gets more ridiculous every day.

This case is exactly why you should be extra-cautious when you
listen to CNN

ninja edit :lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Here are some more facts:

I took a nice 100 mile motorcycle ride this afternoon.
I didnt see a single black guy all afternoon.
I felt very safe.
I did see a Messican rockin' a donk.
He didnt shoot at me.
My hair looks fabulous.
I don't carry a gun because I have no need for one.
I don't care if you carry a gun even though you have no need for one either unless you're a LEO.

[RedLS1GTO]

Why am I not arguing you wanna know why......because they caught the person responsible for their deaths and he's in jail now.

The men who lit 13 year old Allen Goin on fire... not caught.

The men who shot John Sanderson on campus... not caught.

Care to try again?



I never said "good for Zimmerman". I have no idea what happened on that night. So far it seems to be that his story holds up. If that changes and he is guilty, he should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Unlike you, I am not making that judgement until all the facts are in.

[RedLS1GTO]

You wanna mention Black Panthers, well how about the many white supremacist groups that are known to the government, they far out number the black movement, funny how those NEVER get mentioned.

...and what do you think would happen if a white supremacist group got on television and offered a reward for the killing of a black man like was done last week?

In case you missed it:

New Black Panthers offer reward for capture of George Zimmerman - YouTube

I can't even imagine if a white man made comments like these.


Funny, you people don't have a clue as to what happened either and you all are saying good for Zimmerman, he protected himself. Were you people there, NO, only two people were, one isn't saying a word and they other is dead.

Funny, you don't have a clue as to what happened and you are saying that Zimmerman is guilty... despite the evidence saying otherwise. :rolleyes:

It's funny, no one has answered my question yet, why is that, because you don't know the answer, none of you do, nor will you ever because that coward Zimmerman won't answer to the public.

Your question has been answered about a dozen times.

[Sea Six]

Here are some more facts:

I took a nice 100 mile motorcycle ride this afternoon.
I thought you Yankees did everything using the Metric System.


I didnt see a single black guy all afternoon.

Take off those rose-colored glasses and see the world as it really is.

Can I say colored here?


I felt very safe.

That one guy was gonna rob you, but he didn't because he saw a third-grader standing right behind you (who seemed more of a threat than you), got a-scared, and left.


I did see a Messican rockin' a donk.


It was a burro, acshuwally... not a donk.



He didnt shoot at me.

He was shooting at the third grader.


My hair looks fabulous.

Is that hair gel?


I don't carry a gun because I have no need for one.

You don't need one, until you do. That's the tricky part, see... knowing when you are gonna need it. Sure hope for you and your family's sake that your betting on never needing one continues to pan out.


I don't care if you carry a gun even though you have no need for one either unless you're a LEO.

We're good, thanks. Good luck to you. You're probably gonna need it, if you ever find yourself needing a gun and not having it. Try working on your gag reflex.



:)

[Sea Six]

Neither of these two innocents was a LEO.

I guess they didn't need a gun, since they weren't LEO's, or anything.

No quoted text, just a link. What happened to them is just too horrible to quote.

:sadangel: :sadangel:


Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Burro (He/Haw)]

We're good, thanks. Good luck to you. You're probably gonna need it, if you ever find yourself needing a gun and not having it. Try working on your gag reflex.
What's next? Another insult at my wife?

Are you suggesting I would be forced to suck cawk if I didn't have a gun? Really? :rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I haven't convinced myself that a gun safety class, a half dozen trips to the range shooting paper targets and a shiny new pistol is going to prepare me for an actual confrontation when surrounded by thugs in a dark ally.

But, you know everything Clark, don't you?

[Sea Six]

What's next? Another insult at my wife?

What? Where TF did that come from?

I apologized to you in a PM. I even went back, on my own conscience, and cleaned up the thread.

You accepted my apology, too. Did you not mean that?

If you want an apology in an open thread, consider this to be just that. I was way out of line and I do regret saying what I did to you and to your wife.

[Sea Six]

I haven't convinced myself that a gun safety class, a half dozen trips to the range shooting paper targets and a shiny new pistol is going to prepare me for an actual confrontation when surrounded by thugs in a dark ally.



It would certainly level the playing field a bit, though, now... wouldn't it? ;)


But, you know everything Clark, don't you?


Not sure where this came from, either.

Thomas, I have no problem whatsoever with your (or anyone else's) choice to not arm themselves. Seriously. I really don't.

My posts were merely to point out the fact that in the incredibly unlikely event that you would ever need a firearm to protect yourself, having it would be a world of difference between what could happen if you didn't.

So long as someone who chooses not to carry a firearm never tries to prevent me or anyone else from being able to exercise our 2nd Amendment rights, I welcome you to make your own decisions about what to do yourself.


:)

[Sea Six]

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[Sea Six]

Are you suggesting I would be forced to suck cawk if I didn't have a gun? Really? :rofl:


That all depends on what they had in mind, I suppose. Did you read what they did to the guy in the Wiki link I provided you? The guy would have gotten off easy if that's all he had to do. :dunno:


(Just saw your edited post where you added this part, so I thought I'd respond.)

[Mike Mercury]

Here are some more facts:

I took a nice 100 mile motorcycle ride this afternoon.
:cool:
I didnt see a single black guy all afternoon.
were you keeping track ?
I felt very safe.
:cool:
I did see a Messican rockin' a donk.
if you ever do... do not post pics
My hair looks fabulous.this guy thinks the same thing about his hair:
http://cdn.geckoandfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ancient_aliens_guy.jpg

I don't carry a gun because I have no need for one.
whatever floats yer boat
I don't care if you carry a gun :cool:
even though you have no need for one

well; your opinon of what others need - and don't need - are moot; as long as they are using their own money for said (legally obtainable) need.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

well; your opinon of what others need - and don't need - are moot; as long as they are using their own money for said (legally obtainable) need.
Agreed. But you'll never convince me the general population NEEDS to carry a firearm in their day to day life. If some punk were to pull a gun on me and decides he want's my watch, or my Cadillac, I'm giving it to him. Simple as that. It's just stuff.

Furthermore, as I stated in an earlier post, shooting a paper target in Saturday afternoon is a long way from shooting a human being in a dark alley on Saturday night.

Let me go on record AGAIN for the morons who will most surely take me to task over my PERSONAL thought's on guns: I fully support the 2nd Amendment. But you can't argue backwards.

[04 commemorative]

Ok.....what about for ...Zombies ! We'll all need them then...

(just trying to lighten things up a bit)

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Ok.....what about for ...Zombies ! We'll all need them then...

(just trying to lighten things up a bit) :cert:

I enjoy a good debate. When some dipshit start insinuating I might have to suck a dick
Try working on your gag reflex. because I don't carry, the debate with said dipshit has ended.

If I was trying to progress my argument, I would tell this toad; "Get off my side" :lol:

[04 commemorative]

But......Zombies would be a good reason.....right?....:rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

But......Zombies would be a good reason.....right?....:rofl:

Zombies would be an excellent reason. :dance:

[MrPeabody]

Here are some more facts:

I took a nice 100 mile motorcycle ride this afternoon.
I didnt see a single black guy all afternoon.
I felt very safe.
I did see a Messican rockin' a donk.
He didnt shoot at me.
My hair looks fabulous.
I don't carry a gun because I have no need for one.
I don't care if you carry a gun even though you have no need for one either unless you're a LEO.


Okay, just because you have more hair than many of us, don't go thinking that makes it fabulous.:D

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Okay, just because you have more hair than many of us, don't go thinking that makes it fabulous.:D
That's just crazy talk right there. :D
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m22k6hsiED1rsj1bjo1_500.gif

[Sea Six]

Okay, just because you have more hair than many of us, don't go thinking that makes it fabulous.:D

It IS fabulous.

Haven't you seen it?



Thomas, are you going to get over yourself, and that comment I made, and accept my multiple apologies already, or are we going to continue to :beat: over this?

I'm good either way. :dance:









Even Neece's didn't hold a grudge THIS long when you dropped a misplaced comment in her direction. :)

:datawiz:

[Sea Six]

Ttt

[Sea Six]

:moon:

[DJ_Critterus]

Here are some more facts:

I took a nice 100 mile motorcycle ride this afternoon.
I didnt see a single black guy all afternoon.
I felt very safe.
I did see a Messican rockin' a donk.
He didnt shoot at me.
My hair looks fabulous.
I don't carry a gun because I have no need for one.
I don't care if you carry a gun even though you have no need for one either unless you're a LEO.


While i respect your opinion, how can you, not knowing me beyond this forum, say that I don't need a weapon much less use that broad brush to cover everyone and say they have no reason for a weapon either? Past personal experiences have lead me to believe other wise and have led me to where I am now... which includes legally carrying a weapon.

[kingpin]

The Beatles - Let It Be - YouTube

[ApexOversteer]

I hate the mainstream media with their selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings, etc...They act like the judge, jury, and executioner with their coverage. What ever happened to just reporting the news ?

I hate the uckfing retards that swallow it without question.

[DJ_Critterus]

The "let it be" attitude is what emboldens criminals. I'm not handing over my watch, a cadillac, my wallet, any of my hard earned possesions, my saftey, or my family's safety without a fight. Yeah, most of that is just "stuff" but I work too damn hard just to hand it over to some criminal and expect the police to do something about it after the fact. I've been robbed, well attempted, in the past before my Army days and having my weapon on me prevented it from going anywhere. And I don't buy the argument that only the police need weapons. I actually hate that idea, because if they or any other government entity are the only ones who have weapons, then what could prevent them from running rough shod all over the people of the nation should they choose too? I sure as f*ck wouldn't trust Obam Bam's brown army with weapons and I'm not willing to give up one freedom which could lead to completely giving up the ones we are supposed to have (but are being trampled by government right now... think Mandatory engagement in commerce via health insurance).

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Past personal experiences have lead me to believe other wise and have led me to where I am now... which includes legally carrying a weapon.

Would you share this past personal experience where a gun reversed a situation that would have gone the other direction had you not had one?

If you don't want to that cool too. :cert:

While i respect your opinion
Thanks. What do we have here?! An adult who can discuss without calling someone an idiot for a different opinion? :lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I'm not handing over my watch, a cadillac, my wallet, any of my hard earned possesions, my saftey, or my family's safety without a fight
My opinion is this is a bad policy. You're putting your family's safety in jeopardy by challenging these thugs? You have MUCH to lose. They have nothing.

[kingpin]

The "let it be" attitude....


It was geared towards Sea Six and Thomas. :yesnod:

[ApexOversteer]

My opinion is this is a bad policy. You're putting your family's safety in jeopardy by challenging these thugs? You have MUCH to lose. They have nothing.

Yeah, because he totally meant that he puts his family in the Caddy, fills the trunk with valuables, puts on his most expensive watch, stuffs his wallet with $100 bills and goes cruising the slums looking for trouble.

So Thomas, what would you do if, God forbid/knock on wood, you and your family are accosted by a junkie, or a thug, who hasn't got anything to lose, and wants your money/car/wife.

You're gonna lay down and die, that's what.

[DJ_Critterus]

Would you share this past personal experience where a gun reversed a situation that would have gone the other direction had you not had one?

If you don't want to that cool too. :cert:


Thanks. What do we have here?! An adult who can discuss without calling someone an idiot for a different opinion? :lol:

I've had quite a few and the last one was the dude casing my house while i was home. Hence the "Show Me The Handle" jokes because that saying came out of that thread. Dude was arrested a few days later breaking into another house, too. I have more stories, but do prefer to keep them to myself. i'm also not going to justify my actions to anyone especially when I'm doing nothing illegal. If criminals don't like, they need not mess with me. It's a simple concept.

[DJ_Critterus]

My opinion is this is a bad policy. You're putting your family's safety in jeopardy by challenging these thugs? You have MUCH to lose. They have nothing.

Nope. Criminals are going to do whatever they want. I'm not going to simply hand them everything because they demand it. At the point of them comitting a crime, I'm already in danger. Best option is to neutralize the threat and tilt the situation in my favor by any means and I do prefer putting distance between myself and any aggressor as the first option. I'm no cowboy or bass ass John Wayne with a lightning fast draw and trigger squeeze. And contrary to popular belief, I also know that pulling my The Handle isn't the best option. In all honesty, I'd rather leave it tucked away than have to use it even if the trigger isn't pulled. Of course, I do firmly believe it's better to have it and not need it. No way am I simply surrendering to anyone for any reason.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

So Thomas, what would you do if, God forbid/knock on wood, you and your family are accosted by a junkie, or a thug, who hasn't got anything to lose, and wants your money/car/wife.
I'm going to give it to him like every single law enforcement authority in the USA says to do. What I'm NOT going to do is try to get a gun out of it's holster when I have one pointed at me.

You're gonna lay down and die, that's what.
Pretty big assumption you are making.

No way am I simply surrendering to anyone for any reason.
So if a thug approaches you with "Gimmie your wallet" You're going to pull your gun? Are you going to warn him, "I have a gun" I'm curious.

[ApexOversteer]

I'm going to give it to him like every single law enforcement authority in the USA says to do. What I'm NOT going to do is try to get a gun out of it's holster when I have one pointed at me.

So, you're gonna fight for your family/stuff... but not with a gun. Yeah, good luck.

Pretty big assumption you are making.

No bigger than the numerous leaps you've been making in this thread.

Seriously man, back off a foot or two and actually read what is going on.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

So, you're gonna fight for your family/stuff... but not with a gun. Yeah, good luck.
Can you read?

Seriously man, back off a foot or two and actually read what is going on.
Seriously man you completely missed the boat on my point

[ApexOversteer]

Can you read?

You're going to hand your wife over to a junkie or a thug? I didn't think you were a wuss until just now. I did misread you the first time, so I went back... wish I'd been right the first time.


Seriously man you completely missed the boat on my point

All I see is someone who prefers not to carry a weapon telling people who do that their choice is dangerous and their weapon is unnecessary, and is incorrect on both points.

[DJ_Critterus]

I'm going to give it to him like every single law enforcement authority in the USA says to do. What I'm NOT going to do is try to get a gun out of it's holster when I have one pointed at me.


Pretty big assumption you are making.


So if a thug approaches you with "Gimmie your wallet" You're going to pull your gun? Are you going to warn him, "I have a gun" I'm curious.

No. You never warn that you have a weapon. Jsut showing it without poulling it is illegal and one of the first things taught in CCW classes (well, in FL and TX that I know of). "Gimme your wallet" .... I laugh at that because I'm not doing it and thankfully, I've never been put in that particular situation. Like i said earlier, I go for distance between us first. It works. I'm also not simply handing anything over like, as you put it, "every law enforcement authority says to do." I've never heard that here in TX and all i've been told in various situations is to stand my ground if I can safely do it along with doing what it takes to get away from the situation. Yes, that could mean surrendering my wallet, but doesn't prevent me from pulling the weapon after i do so. We're also taught that in the CCW class. If you want to hand everything over, that's your right and I'm not going to argue with it or ridicule you. I'm not going to surrender myself or anything to the will of a criminal. And as I mentioned earlier, I'm no billy badass, but I'm also not going to be Mr. Sweetchuck the p*ssy, either. i've been through too much to put up with that shit.

And now..../rant. I'm done with this topic. What else are we debating?

[Burro (He/Haw)]

All I see is someone who prefers not to carry a weapon telling people who do that their choice is dangerous and their weapon is unnecessary, and is incorrect on both points.

Nope. You can't read.

[DJ_Critterus]

Nope. You can't read.

Ehh... to be honest, that's pretty much what I got out of it. At least you're not obnoxious about it like several of the lib posters who actually detest the 2nd.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

No. You never warn that you have a weapon. Jsut showing it without poulling it is illegal and one of the first things taught in CCW classes (well, in FL and TX that I know of). "Gimme your wallet" .... I laugh at that because I'm not doing it and thankfully, I've never been put in that particular situation. Like i said earlier, I go for distance between us first. It works. I'm also not simply handing anything over like, as you put it, "every law enforcement authority says to do." I've never heard that here in TX and all i've been told in various situations is to stand my ground if I can safely do it along with doing what it takes to get away from the situation. Yes, that could mean surrendering my wallet, but doesn't prevent me from pulling the weapon after i do so. We're also taught that in the CCW class. If you want to hand everything over, that's your right and I'm not going to argue with it or ridicule you. I'm not going to surrender myself or anything to the will of a criminal. And as I mentioned earlier, I'm no billy badass, but I'm also not going to be Mr. Sweetchuck the p*ssy, either. i've been through too much to put up with that shit.

And now..../rant. I'm done with this topic. What else are we debating?
Well, I appreciate the discussion. :cert: I don't agree with much of it, but it was good debate regardless. :cert:

I also learned a few things, and that's always good. :cert:

Ehh... to be honest, that's pretty much what I got out of it. At least you're not obnoxious about it like several of the lib posters who actually detest the 2nd.
I fully support the 2nd. I also know it's not for me. :seasix:

[MrPeabody]

Ehh... to be honest, that's pretty much what I got out of it. At least you're not obnoxious about it like several of the lib posters who actually detest the 2nd.

Plus he has fabulous hair.:seasix:

[ApexOversteer]

Nope. You can't read.

You wish. I could have said you're either too whimpy or scared to carry, and resent anyone that has the balls, something that can also be read into the things you've said and the way you've said them.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

You wish. I could have said you're either too whimpy or scared to carry, and resent anyone that has the balls, something that can also be read into the things you've said and the way you've said them.

:confused5: Whatever. You're boring. Stick to movie reviews and let the grown up's talk.

[ApexOversteer]

:confused5: Whatever. You're boring. Stick to movie reviews and let the grown up's talk.

Spoken like a true wuss.

And since when do I review movies?

[Chris Fowler]

Ehh... to be honest, that's pretty much what I got out of it. At least you're not obnoxious about it like several of the lib posters who actually detest the 2nd.
:iagree: with the first part...but he is bordering on obnoxious. :yesnod:

[Skia]

I hate the uckfing retards that swallow it without question.
Are you saying that Thomas nibbles the cawk and swallows??? :skep: Damn....just damn.....:willy:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Spoken like a true wuss.
Who is either too whimpy or scared to carry. :rofl::rofl:

[DJ_Critterus]

:iagree: with the first part...but he is bordering on obnoxious. :yesnod:

this isn't obnoxious. Monk's posts in the beginning of this thread were obnoxious and, frankly, that's the first time I've seen him posting like that. It was awkward and unexpected. I remember some threads discussing this with several of our resident libs (not naming them for the sake of not starting un-needed shit) who were complete jackasses over the issue. They pretty much came short of demanding that we all cave to their views and abide by them because, int heir world, they don't need to protect themselves.

As for me right now, I'm carrying bigger weapons since the Hassan trial is kicking into gear and getting ready to start. There've been some threats against military and civilians who work on post and I'm not taking chances. If I get blown to smithereens with a bomb, so be it, but i won't be left standing in a room with the next asshole who wants to pull a "Hassan."

[Datawiz]

:waiting:

'Dis getting gewd.

:waiting:

[DJ_Critterus]

:waiting:

'Dis getting gewd.

:waiting:

And completely away from the topic in the OP :lol:

[Chris Fowler]

this isn't obnoxious. Monk's posts in the beginning of this thread were obnoxious and, frankly, that's the first time I've seen him posting like that. It was awkward and unexpected. I remember some threads discussing this with several of our resident libs (not naming them for the sake of not starting un-needed shit) who were complete jackasses over the issue. They pretty much came short of demanding that we all cave to their views and abide by them because, int heir world, they don't need to protect themselves.

As for me right now, I'm carrying bigger weapons since the Hassan trial is kicking into gear and getting ready to start. There've been some threats against military and civilians who work on post and I'm not taking chances. If I get blown to smithereens with a bomb, so be it, but i won't be left standing in a room with the next asshole who wants to pull a "Hassan."
Thomas's posts are bordering on obnoxious.

Monk's post raced past obnoxious to the point of brain washed.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

And completely away from the topic in the OP :lol:

Ain't that the truth. I'm just trying to understand something I have virtually no knowledge of. The gun debate is somewhat interesting to me and it does dovetail into the original topic a bit.

I will add, because I choose NOT to carry, I am not whimpy or scared to carry. I simply choose not to. I'm pretty sure that's my constitutional right. :rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Thomas's posts are bordering on obnoxious.
As long as it's only bordering. :D

[kingpin]

You guys should just get a pet moose.
Those f*ckers are crazy when their angry.

[DJ_Critterus]

Ain't that the truth. I'm just trying to understand something I have virtually no knowledge of. The gun debate is somewhat interesting to me and it does dovetail into the original topic a bit.

I will add, because I choose NOT to carry, I am not whimpy or scared to carry. I simply choose not to. I'm pretty sure that's my constitutional right. :rofl:

I'd read up on CCW and why people carry before making the broad assumptions that you did again (like nobody needs to carry when the police are armed). Law abiding citizens usually aren't the problem and if the current evidence we are privy to stands, Zimmerman will still be a law abiding citizen who only created a problem by giving the racists and the left a reason to create a problem.

[Butterfly71]

MTP carries, almost always. I'm considering getting my permit as well. If you don't want to carry a gun or are against guns - don't own one but don't f*ck with my right to have one. Thank you in advance.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

MTP carries, almost always. I'm considering getting my permit as well. If you don't want to carry a gun or are against guns - don't own one but don't f*ck with my right to have one. Thank you in advance.

Who here is f*ckin with your rights?

[Butterfly71]

Who here is f*ckin with your rights?

No one. I'm just saying :D

[DJ_Critterus]

MTP carries, almost always. I'm considering getting my permit as well. If you don't want to carry a gun or are against guns - don't own one but don't f*ck with my right to have one. Thank you in advance.

One of the first things i did for my wife when she got her citizenship was to have her take her CCW class. She appreciates it, though she doesn't usually carry because I always do when we're out.

[DJ_Critterus]

Who here is f*ckin with your rights?

the Brady Center, Obama, Holder, and the DNC would love to, though.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

DJ, I can still have my opinion that people don't NEED to carry cant I? It MY opinion. I'm not attempting to force it on anyone, I'm just stating MY opinion.

[Chris Fowler]

Ain't that the truth. I'm just trying to understand something I have virtually no knowledge of. The gun debate is somewhat interesting to me and it does dovetail into the original topic a bit.

I will add, because I choose NOT to carry, I am not whimpy or scared to carry. I simply choose not to. I'm pretty sure that's my constitutional right. :rofl:
I don't carry either. Mostly because of the inconvenience.

But I don't presume to tell someone who does choose to carry that it's not needed.

In fact, the fact that some people do carry is one of the reasons I am not as concerned by not carrying.

[Butterfly71]

One of the first things i did for my wife when she got her citizenship was to have her take her CCW class. She appreciates it, though she doesn't usually carry because I always do when we're out.

MTP got his while I was getting all my securities licenses (series 7, 66, etc). I was done with being in class at the time.

[Butterfly71]

the Brady Center, Obama, Holder, and the DNC would love to, though.

Thank you!

[ApexOversteer]

Are you saying that Thomas nibbles the cawk and swallows??? :skep: Damn....just damn.....:willy:

Now come on, we all know that post was not aimed at Thomas in any way... I'm pretty sure he isn't a cawkgobbler, not that there is anything wrong with gobbling cawk... it was aimed at Monk... not that there's anything wrong with aiming cawk at Monk...

[NB2K]

CCW folks are almost never involved in a violent conflict.

This has been my heartburn w/ the Zimmerman deal all along.
How does trespassing escalate into a death?
Shouldn't there be abrasions on Martin's hands?
(there may be-I don't know)

Who the hell knows?
There isn't even any agreement on what size the two guys were.

And guess what?

Both sides are spinning it.

[Skia]

Now come on, we all know that post was not aimed at Thomas in any way... I'm pretty sure he isn't a cawkgobbler, not that there is anything wrong with gobbling cawk... it was aimed at Monk... not that there's anything wrong with aiming cawk at Monk...
:rolleyes: Apex......I was being a smartazz....this thread is too gawddamn serious.....

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1788010_700b.jpg

[ApexOversteer]

CCW folks are almost never involved in a violent conflict.

This has been my heartburn w/ the Zimmerman deal all along.
How does trespassing escalate into a death?
Shouldn't there be abrasions on Martin's hands?
(there may be-I don't know)

Who the hell knows?
There isn't even any agreement on what size the two guys were.

And guess what?

Both sides are spinning it.

And that is the worst part of the whole thing. People argued for and against CCW's long before Zimmerman killed Martin, and they will continue to do so. But the way the media is handling this isn't about that, it's about pushing misinformation and pandering to an ignorance, playing a race card and getting on television for those engaging in the media's rape of the truth.

[DJ_Critterus]

DJ, I can still have my opinion that people don't NEED to carry cant I? It MY opinion. I'm not attempting to force it on anyone, I'm just stating MY opinion.

I never said you can't have an opinion. that would be hypocritical of me now, wouldn't it?

[DJ_Critterus]

Now come on, we all know that post was not aimed at Thomas in any way... I'm pretty sure he isn't a cawkgobbler, not that there is anything wrong with gobbling cawk... it was aimed at Monk... not that there's anything wrong with aiming cawk at Monk...

:rofl: I'll keep my cawk behind my zipper, thank you.

[ApexOversteer]

:rolleyes: Apex......I was being a smartazz....this thread is too gawddamn serious.....

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/1788010_700b.jpg

Dude, really? Any post with the words "aiming cawk at Monk" can't be taken seriously... can it?

[DJ_Critterus]

CCW folks are almost never involved in a violent conflict.

This has been my heartburn w/ the Zimmerman deal all along.
How does trespassing escalate into a death?
Shouldn't there be abrasions on Martin's hands?
(there may be-I don't know)

Who the hell knows?
There isn't even any agreement on what size the two guys were.

And guess what?

Both sides are spinning it.

I've punched someone and had no marks on my hands. i suspect he wouldn't have any marks from slamming Zim's head on the ground if his hands never made contact with the ground.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

But I don't presume to tell someone who does choose to carry that it's not needed.
Fowler, I have an opinion. But its only that. My personal opinion. Just because I express my opinions doesn't mean I'm TELLING anyone else what to do. I have been QUITE CLEAR that I have no problem with other people carrying.

[NB2K]

And that is the worst part of the whole thing. People argued for and against CCW's long before Zimmerman killed Martin, and they will continue to do so. But the way the media is handling this isn't about that, it's about pushing misinformation and pandering to an ignorance, playing a race card and getting on television for those engaging in the media's rape of the truth.

100% Fact.

That's why it's so hard to get real info.

Edward R. Murrow, where are you when we need you?:sadangel:

[Skia]

Dude, really? Any post with the words "aiming cawk at Monk" can't be taken seriously... can it?
Well Monk is a Canuckistanian and shit....:shrug: Carry on....:leaving:

[NB2K]

I've punched someone and had no marks on my hands. i suspect he would have any marks from slamming Zim's head on the ground if his hands never made contact with the ground.

Agree with you re: the punching, but assuming he jumped him from behind, wouldn't they have scrapped a bit before he shot him?

[kingpin]

Well Monk is a Canuckistanian and shit....:shrug: Carry on....:leaving:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/lost_gurl_666/Moose/moose5.gif

[ApexOversteer]

We won't know if Martin has any marks from the struggle until the autopsy is released...

... and then, if there is any evidence of a struggle, I'm sure the media will gloss over it and focus on the horrific damage of the gunshot wound, how it means Martin suffered horribly and how it makes Zimmerman the spawn of Satan walking the Earth.

[JRD77VET]

Ain't that the truth. I'm just trying to understand something I have virtually no knowledge of. The gun debate is somewhat interesting to me and it does dovetail into the original topic a bit.

I will add, because I choose NOT to carry, I am not whimpy or scared to carry. I simply choose not to. I'm pretty sure that's my constitutional right. :rofl:

Some folks choose not to carry because they are unsure if they could take another's life in a situation. If you are unsure ( not directed at you Thomas ) if you could pull the trigger and live with the consequences of your actions, then carrying is not for you.

That is a question anyone considering carrying has to make and must be completely honest with themselves.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

If you are unsure ( not directed at you Thomas ) if you could pull the trigger and live with the consequences of your actions, then carrying is not for you.
Understood.

I don't think that's my issue. And I KNOW it's not because I'm whimpy or scared like someone here insinuated.

Here's a quick story for you. We had a retirement party for a coworker at a local restaurant. One of the guys didn't show up because he couldn't bring his gun inside the place. There was a sign on the door that said "No Firearms"

So here is this guy who missed a coworkers retirement party, someone he worked with for 15 years, because he couldn't leave his gun home in the safe for a few hours.

You know how ridiculous this sounds to me?!

[Datawiz]

Understood.

I don't think that's my issue. And I KNOW it's not because I'm whimpy or scared like someone here insinuated.

Here's a quick story for you. We had a retirement party for a coworker at a local restaurant. One of the guys didn't show up because he couldn't bring his gun inside the place. There was a sign on the door that said "No Firearms"

So here is this guy who missed a coworkers retirement party, someone he worked with for 15 years, because he couldn't leave his gun home in the safe for a few hours.

You know how ridiculous this sounds to me?!

Thomas, I don't own or carry a gun, but I certainly support and respect our given right to do so. It is, and always shall be, our right to carry arms. Any alteration to those rights should be met with swift and violent retribution.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Thomas, I don't own or carry a gun, but I certainly support and respect our given right to do so. It is, and always shall be, our right to carry arms. Any alteration to those rights should be met with swift and violent retribution.

We agree then. Problem is that's a difficult concept for some people here to grasp.

Don't own a gun or want one? You are an anti gun piss on the 2nd amendment communist. Or whimpy and scared.

[JRD77VET]

We agree then. Problem is that's a difficult concept for some people here to grasp.

Don't own a gun or want one? You are an anti gun piss on the 2nd amendment communist. Or whimpy and scared.

No, the problem lies when those who don't want to own a weapon themselves decide that nobody else can have one either.

Thomas, Craig, I fully respect your choice to not own firearms. I do feel that ownership of firearms helps keep the government in line. It's the keystone of our country.

[mrvette]

Who is either too whimpy or scared to carry. :rofl::rofl:

I have to admit I been considering on being heavy for a while now....

but the issue for ME is....where and how?? so I wear a T and dungaree cut offs most of the time, cphone on the hip, heavy leather belt, Texas size buckle, and pocket knife, keys on a snap hook, right side tucked into pocket....

where to hide a gun? second off, not allowed in banks?, bars?,

and even IF, suppose somehow someONE sees it in a public space like a Post Office or HD or Lowes??

I not wearing a Eskimo outfit in FLORIDA just to carry....and to drop it in the '72 vette vert don't seem much of a option....

even though I did it quite frequently in the violent 60's on a date in DC, ready for all the bullshit riots over whatEVER the jerks were about....
nothing ever happened, although by some 15 minits or so....

:waiting:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

No, the problem lies when those who don't want to own a weapon themselves decide that nobody else can have one either.

Thomas, Craig, I fully respect your choice to not own firearms. I do feel that ownership of firearms helps keep the government in line. It's the keystone of our country.

Yet we have one guy here who thinks if I DON'T carry, I'm gonna be choking on a c*ck. :rolleyes:

[kingpin]

Yet we have one guy here who thinks if I DON'T carry, I'm gonna be choking on a c*ck. :rolleyes:

Thomas we all know you like to choke on c*ck anyways. :D :D :D
Does it really matter.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Thomas we all know you like to choke on c*ck anyways. :D :D :D
Does it really matter.

I just don't like being FORCED ya know? :lol:

[DJ_Critterus]

Agree with you re: the punching, but assuming he jumped him from behind, wouldn't they have scrapped a bit before he shot him?

Yeah, they would, but it can be proven he could scrap without sustaining scratches or injuries to his hands. I've been in fights and didn't have a single mark on me after them. Just sayin.....

[DJ_Critterus]

Waiting to see Mr. Anti-gun-everything Joecool's reaction to this.

[xXBUDXx]

I have to admit I been considering on being heavy for a while now....

but the issue for ME is....where and how?? so I wear a T and dungaree cut offs most of the time, cphone on the hip, heavy leather belt, Texas size buckle, and pocket knife, keys on a snap hook, right side tucked into pocket....

where to hide a gun? second off, not allowed in banks?, bars?,

and even IF, suppose somehow someONE sees it in a public space like a Post Office or HD or Lowes??

I not wearing a Eskimo outfit in FLORIDA just to carry....and to drop it in the '72 vette vert don't seem much of a option....

even though I did it quite frequently in the violent 60's on a date in DC, ready for all the bullshit riots over whatEVER the jerks were about....
nothing ever happened, although by some 15 minits or so....

:waiting:

All mention of concealed weapons aside, you should update your wardrobe. With your new duds, you may have more carry options if you so chose. (this look has to frighten the neighbors):wtf:


I may chose to exercise my rights on the 2nd amendment. If I do so, it is my choice. If you and your family chose NOT to do so and are in threat of physical harm and I can safely do so, I will do my best to protect you and your family as well. This is my choice. I also change tires for any lady I see with a flat. Sorry, but that's the way I was raised as a child. Right or wrong, it's me.

I had diner at a Mexican restaurant last night. The place was filled with children and families. A large balloon popped . I was startled and made an instinctual reaction. I placed my hand on my weapon. No further action was taken and I was not observed doing so. No child or adult was harmed by the balloon, nor was anyone aware what I had done.

I understand that is undertaking an enormous amount of risk, but That is how I was taught to live. Help others if you can and never ask for compensation.

You really should look into dumping your Hank Hill Uniform for an updated model. (T and dungaree cut offs can't be helping your social status or sex life.)


If you chose not to carry, the least you can do is be aware of your situation. Maintain a strong presence and make eye contact. Attackers look for easy targets. If you have maintained eye contact, the perp is most likely to choose an easier victim.

Those that know me personally know that I legally carry a weapon. Most of these people know where I'm carrying the weapon in the event that I can't access my weapon. I travel in groups that know where weapons are in the group and how to share effectively if the situation dictates.

Due to physical limitations, I can't run away. My options are fewer and rewire certainty in every action I make.

I'm not trying ti stir anything up, just providing my $.2 Here is a third $.1 I can give as well. It was in the bottom of my pistol bag.

[04 commemorative]

Happy Easter everyone...maybe we can all try to have a calm day and get back to the subject??? If not ....carry on.

[Blademaker]

had diner at a Mexican restaurant last night. The place was filled with children and families. A large balloon popped . I was startled and made an instinctual reaction.

Know the deal. Ask me what happened at the Blade show when some idiot cracked a whip.

If you chose not to carry, the least you can do is be aware of your situation. Maintain a strong presence and make eye contact. Attackers look for easy targets. If you have maintained eye contact, the perp is most likely to choose an easier victim.



I agree, very true.

Those that know me personally know that I legally carry a weapon. Most of these people know where I'm carrying the weapon in the event that I can't access my weapon. I travel in groups that know where weapons are in the group and how to share effectively if the situation dictates.



:seasix:

[Barkingowl]

Don't own a gun or want one? You are an anti gun piss on the 2nd amendment communist. Or whimpy and scared.

Not necessarily, you can kill a person with just about anything if you have the motivation or the desire. If you're lucky though you'll have friends that carry who can deal with the situation in their role as shepherds. Not everyone can carry a gun much less use it to kill another person.

[kingpin]

Know the deal. Ask me what happened at the Blade show when some idiot cracked a whip.



:waiting:

[Blademaker]

:waiting:

Some Jackass decided to show his prowess with a small whip.
My back was turned, and I wasn't carrying.
When he cracked it, I shoved my wife aside and reached for an SOB holster for a gun that wasn't there.
Then, I realized that 4 other guys around me had reached as well.

[Z06David]

crazy thread is crazy

went from racists to rights to have guns to choking on cawk :rofl:

[wicked_c6]

I'm going to wait till ALL the facts are out from the investigation before making any personal judgement. THough I will say that this has opened my eyes even more with regards to how slanted and devious the MSM outlets are. It is their job to report facts and truths that are confirmed via reliable sources. Not to speculate (as say Nancy Grace does) to pull in audiences. Its a shame that this guy (if his story holds) has, regardless of the outcome, lost his normal life as he will be hunted even after criminal and civil proceedings.

To all the "hollywood" types that tweeted his address - when/if the facts come out that he acted appropriately, I hope Mr. Z slaps a civil suit against all of them.

[Stangkiller]

Tomorrow this case goes to a grand jury.

http://cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/features/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-timeline.html

[04 commemorative]

:waiting:...will be racists of all colors there wanting "their" justice..:issues:..right...or wrong.....then it will start again.

[RedLS1GTO]

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