PDA

View Full Version : LeMans 2012 just got very interesting


BuckyThreadkiller
03-13-2012, 11:25am
I wanna see this thing run, just to see it run.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbiqfkqxh6fjpg/original.jpg


This Is Not A Rocket Ship
This is not a rocket ship. This is not the new Batmobile. This is not a life-sized pine car derby racer. This is not a concept car. No, this is the Nissan DeltaWing race car. This is the technological future of racing. Well, if it works.
Automotive evolution is boring. Cars get slightly bigger, slightly faster, slightly different ever year. The Nissan DeltaWing race car is a knife to the throat of gradual advancement. It is the antithesis of commonly held beliefs.

How does it work?

Developed first as a possible future Indy Car, the design put the rear wheels far out, the weight far back in the vehicle, and crammed the front wheels into a tiny aerodynamic nose.

IndyCar balked at the small front wheels and weird driver position. It was too futuristic. Too radical for a series that has basically just refined the same car for over 50 years. IndyCar passed.

Undeterred by the slight, DeltaWing's backers picked themselves up and rebuilt the car for the most important and demanding race in the world: The 24 Hours of Le Mans. To paraphrase High Fidelity, it's sort of like asking for $10, being rejected, and then asking for $1,000,000.


View the gallery
Today, they announced they've got a new partner and a new design — with lights on its haunches so it can race at night. Nissan will provide the sponsorship and the engine for the even more radically different Nissan DeltaWing. It'll go nose-to-nose with the most expensive and advanced closed-wheel race cars in the world this June and it'll do it with an engine out of a tiny crossover.
The Nissan Juke is cute, but it's so obviously not a huge performer that Nissan dropped a GT-R drivetrain in it to create the Nissan Juke R. Yet a heavily massaged version of the car's 1.6-liter turbocharged, direct-injected gasoline four-cylinder engine is now the power source for the DeltaWing.

How will it compete?

Despite the small engine, the DeltaWing has a few advantages. The bizarre design takes out approximately half the weight of the vehicle and reduces its aerodynamic footprint by 50% compared to its competitors. You need less power when you weigh less and reduce drag.

Equally as important in a 24-hour race, the DeltaWing also uses about half as much fuel. Fewer pitstops mean more laps running. It's total performance should be somewhere between the LMP1 cars like the Audi R18 E-Tron Quattro and the LMP1 vehicles like the ORECA O3.

Of course, the DeltaWing doesn't actually have any competitors. It'll be racing in the "Garage 56" spot, which is reserved for futuristic racers. It can't win any trophies, but if it makes it around the track for 24 hours it'll certainly win a lot of attention.

How will it turn?


This is the big question that plagues the project. Turning requires grip and grip requires tire surface area and the small Michelin-designed tires aren't gigantic.

DeltaWing's designers are hoping the fact that the engine, driver, and most of the mass are over the rear axle of the vehicle will work towards its maneuverability. The wheels only need to turn a small amount because they're out at the end of this huge, rear-biased vehicle.

There's now video of it turning at high speed and it appears this process works, although it must be freaky to drive something whose nose is so far ahead of you.

If the car finishes the 24 Hours of Le Mans and posts a respectable time this idea once too crazy for IndyCar might suddenly be a future too crazy to pass up.

Stolen from Jalop - This Is Not A Rocket Ship (http://jalopnik.com/5892845/)

jeff w
03-13-2012, 12:07pm
Nissan DeltaWing In-Car Video - YouTube

VatorMan
03-13-2012, 12:08pm
Interesting. Wonder if McNish will wreck it out the first lap like he did last year?

MrPeabody
03-13-2012, 12:12pm
Two possible outcomes:

It doesn't work.

It works well and then they outlaw it.

SubZero
03-13-2012, 12:15pm
It's Nissan powered but Dan Gurney's AAR that designed the delta wing body. They had one at the Chicago auto show back by the Road America booth.

BuckyThreadkiller
03-13-2012, 12:18pm
Half the weight, half the drag, half the power and twice the fuel mileage.

It'll be interesting to see if it can run with the P2 cars

Poog
03-13-2012, 12:18pm
Good. With the withdrawal of Peugeot, we need something like this to keep Le Mans interesting.

Nemesis
03-13-2012, 12:49pm
Highcroft may have revolutionized the sport. I hope they have. :cheers:

Thud
03-13-2012, 12:55pm
Interesting. Wonder if McNish will wreck it out the first lap like he did last year?

Not as long as he can avoid the Ferraris.

VetteBoy1979
03-13-2012, 1:03pm
Wow, I didn't know they were actually going to run that. I am excited as always for LeMans. One of these years I really want to go...the Mecca of auto racing, IMO.

burtonbl103
03-13-2012, 1:29pm
Wow wonder if it woull come to lime rock !

DJ_Critterus
03-13-2012, 1:35pm
That beast is going to chew through front tires with a quickness.

Mike Mercury
03-13-2012, 1:36pm
it certainly has the funk:

http://www.autoweek.com/storyimage/CW/20120313/ALMS/120319952/AR/0/nissan-deltawing.jpg&maxh=255&maxw=425

kingpin
03-13-2012, 1:39pm
It's either gonna get trashed or do the trashing.

The front will fit through a tight space but the back sure won't.
If he is beside someone in a corner and then pulls away without going wide their is going to be impact.

Grey Ghost
03-13-2012, 1:45pm
Special entry for the race. Very interesting read about it. I think it was at the Petit Le Mans last year. I didn't get a chance to see it in person though. :seasix:

Skia
03-13-2012, 1:46pm
It's either gonna get trashed or do the trashing.

The front will fit through a tight space but the back sure won't.
If he is beside someone in a corner and then pulls away without going wide their is going to be impact.THERE

kingpin
03-13-2012, 1:49pm
THERE

there

Skia
03-13-2012, 1:51pm
THERE

there

Are you feeling poorly?? Bless your little heart......

kingpin
03-13-2012, 1:53pm
Are you feeling poorly?? Bless your little heart......

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

FFFFFFFFFUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

Joecooool
03-13-2012, 2:52pm
Cars along side the front will mis-judge the space between the cars. I see LOTS of wrecks.

Chris Fowler
03-13-2012, 3:22pm
First thought...

Rolling a Reliant Robin - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube

Nemesis
03-13-2012, 6:48pm
The team is down the street from me. I've been driving by almost every day for the last 6 months hoping to get a glimpse. No luck yet. :(

RedLS1GTO
03-13-2012, 7:33pm
DeltaWing's designers are hoping the fact that the engine, driver, and most of the mass are over the rear axle of the vehicle will work towards its maneuverability.

I seriously hope designers KNOW and aren't relying on HOPE with a project of this technological magnitude.

'77Babe
03-14-2012, 1:13am
Interesting. Wonder if McNish will wreck it out the first lap like he did last year?

First of all, not his fault. Second, people have pondered that the stealthy look of the Audis last year might have been a part of the accidents they had. Something that the Deltawing would have to consider.
Also, it was heartbreaking to see the #3 crash out after it had a pretty decent crash during the last lap of qualifying, they rebuilt the car and then they don't even really get to take part in the race. But that's racing, right?

'77Babe
03-14-2012, 1:14am
Half the weight, half the drag, half the power and twice the fuel mileage.

It'll be interesting to see if it can run with the P2 cars

It will be interesting to see it go through Indianapolis.

'77Babe
03-14-2012, 1:15am
Wow, I didn't know they were actually going to run that. I am excited as always for LeMans. One of these years I really want to go...the Mecca of auto racing, IMO.

Just a word of warning: once isn't enough. :D

Grey Ghost
03-14-2012, 6:50am
From Petit Le Mans, last year. You really can see how far back and low the driver sits. Then the high arch of the front fenders. I think they also wear a HANs device ? That would also severely limit the drivers ability to see outside the cockpit.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/jerryholmes/PLM2011/IMG_2583.jpg

Second, people have pondered that the stealthy look of the Audis last year might have been a part of the accidents they had.

RedLS1GTO
03-14-2012, 7:29am
That R18 is simply one of the sexiest race cars ever built. I think Audi is coming with a vengence at LeMans in 2012.

http://audworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/audi-r18-tdi-38.jpg

http://www.online-kfz.com/sites/default/files/images/Audi-Le-Mans-2011170006.preview.jpg

VatorMan
03-14-2012, 8:05am
That R18 is simply one of the sexiest race cars ever built. I think Audi is coming with a vengence at LeMans in 2012.

http://audworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/audi-r18-tdi-38.jpg

http://www.online-kfz.com/sites/default/files/images/Audi-Le-Mans-2011170006.preview.jpg

:withstupid:

Audi does ALMS racing right. Love walking by the Audi tent and seeing the professional atmosphere there.

onedef92
03-14-2012, 8:07am
I wanna see brake rotors and exhausts glowing in the dark. Post any pics if you got 'em.

'77Babe
03-16-2012, 12:17am
I wanna see brake rotors and exhausts glowing in the dark. Post any pics if you got 'em.

Sorry, I have to let you down for 2011 pics. :sadangel:

Nemesis
03-16-2012, 12:31am
From Petit Le Mans, last year. You really can see how far back and low the driver sits. Then the high arch of the front fenders. I think they also wear a HANs device ? That would also severely limit the drivers ability to see outside the cockpit.


They do. The HANS device wouldn't be the limiting factor. The helmet tether allows you to rotate your head left and right.

Sorry, I have to let you down for 2011 pics. :sadangel:

Do you plan on going this year?

'77Babe
03-16-2012, 12:38am
They do. The HANS device wouldn't be the limiting factor. The helmet tether allows you to rotate your head left and right.



Do you plan on going this year?

24H tickets are booked and Classic will be discussed this weekend. :seasix:

Grey Ghost
03-16-2012, 7:00am
Sebring this w/e. I hate that you can no longer watch it live on Speed ! :cuss:

simpleman68
03-16-2012, 8:09am
That beast is going to chew through front tires with a quickness.

That's what I noticed in the vid as well. Seems like a lot of bump/steer in the steering wheel. That would be very fatiguing in a long race.

What a bad azz looking set up though! Would be excellent to see that make some laps.
Scott

onedef92
03-16-2012, 8:12am
24H tickets are booked and Classic will be discussed this weekend. :seasix:


Good. Hope springs for the glowing brake rotor/exhaust pics, then. :hurray:

Nemesis
03-16-2012, 8:44am
24H tickets are booked and Classic will be discussed this weekend. :seasix:

Wooot!!! :hurray:

Datawiz
03-16-2012, 9:52am
First thought...

Rolling a Reliant Robin - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8)

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

'77Babe
03-16-2012, 11:11am
Good. Hope springs for the glowing brake rotor/exhaust pics, then. :hurray:
If I'm not so lazy about taking pics as I was last year. :leaving:
Wooot!!! :hurray:
So, when are you flying in?

Nemesis
03-16-2012, 11:29am
If I'm not so lazy about taking pics as I was last year. :leaving:

So, when are you flying in?

Every year, I say maybe next year. I have a race the following weekend, I'll be preparing for it during the 24hr weekend. Maybe next year (sigh).....

Chris Fowler
03-16-2012, 11:38am
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Finally someone reacts to that post. :leaving:

'77Babe
03-16-2012, 11:48am
Finally someone reacts to that post. :leaving:

Awwwwwwwwwwwww.

A couple of years ago, I took a coworkers daughter to the Jim Clark Revival at Hockenheim. He is a big car nut, but couldn't make it that early. His daughter was also into cars and drives a classic Mini. Well, the "Club" cars got to take a couple of laps around the track during the break. Me in the Vette, her in the Mini and another female friend of mine in an old Ford P7 hearse. Needless to say we got split up on the track. When the girl in the Mini came back out she was all excited, telling me about contests in Britain where people tried to roll a Mini on purpose. And she really thought she might be able to do it. I said, I bet you had fun, but please, don't tell your dad that part of the story. :rofl:

Chris Fowler
03-16-2012, 11:54am
Awwwwwwwwwwwww.

A couple of years ago, I took a coworkers daughter to the Jim Clark Revival at Hockenheim. He is a big car nut, but couldn't make it that early. His daughter was also into cars and drives a classic Mini. Well, the "Club" cars got to take a couple of laps around the track during the break. Me in the Vette, her in the Mini and another female friend of mine in an old Ford P7 hearse. Needless to say we got split up on the track. When the girl in the Mini came back out she was all excited, telling me about contests in Britain where people tried to roll a Mini on purpose. And she really thought she might be able to do it. I said, I bet you had fun, but please, don't tell your dad that part of the story. :rofl:
:crazy: :rofl: