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73sbVert
03-12-2012, 10:41pm
I'll never own an i-anything. I'll stick with MS thankyouverymuch.
I'm still using XP on my home computers, and my work computer is Windows 7. Both work excellent.
:shrug:
Joecooool
03-12-2012, 10:53pm
Every other version of Windows traditionally sucks. 7 is the shit. I think I may skip on version 8.
Yerf Dog
03-12-2012, 11:05pm
http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/job-fails-moving-in-cycles.jpg
ConstantChange
03-13-2012, 12:00am
I'm curious when/if we'll see Android on desktops.
burtonbl103
03-13-2012, 5:33am
I am and MCSE and windos 7 and server 2008 are great platforms
I loaded the windows 8 at home on a VM and :eek:
WTF are they thinking.
No start menu ?
It looks like they took the windows mobile and tried to make it work on a pc !
I am and MCSE and windos 7 and server 2008 are great platforms
I loaded the windows 8 at home on a VM and :eek:
WTF are they thinking.
No start menu ?
It looks like they took the windows mobile and tried to make it work on a pc !
It doesn't work on a PC. I think that Microsoft is going to lose billions on this.
SubZero
03-13-2012, 7:36am
I might be in the same boat. I hate Apple and everything that Jobs stood for but I am getting so damn frustrated with Windows.
My experience last weekend... I have some TV shows I recorded but wanted to clip the commercials from and save on my hard drive. :leaving:
Computer #1 Windows XP, this is my HTPC and the computer I used to recored the shows. Tried using Windows movie maker but would continuously hang while using it.
Computer #2 Windows 7, My main desktop with Live Movie Maker. Damn thing crashes when trying to open MPEG-2. Back to computer #1 to compress the files to wmv first. Probably not a M$ issue but hangs when trying to convert.
Tried Movie Maker 2.6 on Computer #2. Loads and allows me to work with
he file but craps out on the save.
Computer # 3, Vista laptop. Same problem as computer #2 running MM2.6
Computer # 4, old compaq running XP. Granted it's probably because of the hardware but A/V is extremely choppy so it's damn near impossible to catch the commercial breaks on the right frames.
I think I'm fed up and ready to try iMovie. :leaving: I mean this is M$ software packed with their damn OS, how hard can it be? Fuk Bill gates, Fuk his windows, fuk his movie maker, fuk his zune, fuk his red-ring-of death xbox, fuk his shitty windows phone OS, fuk his CE based sync myford touch piece of shit.:flush:
Mike Mercury
03-13-2012, 9:06am
I'm still using XP on my home computers, ...work(s) excellent.
:yesnod:
Mike Mercury
03-13-2012, 9:08am
I loaded the windows 8 at home on a VM and... it looks like they took the windows mobile and tried to make it work on a pc !
exactly as advertised.
I like Windows 7, and run it on my desktop at home.
The problem is that my desktop is limping along... the case and cooling fans are probably 8 years old, rebuilt with all new internals 5 years ago, and another cpu/memory/drive upgrade last year-- now it's bursting at the seams with a maxed-out CPU (2.83 core2quad) which isn't even officially supported by my chipset but works with a beta BIOS!
It's not the most stable thing in the world. Plus the Blue-glowing LED fans and big plexiglass window aren't as cool as they used to be. :rofl:
It'll be replaced with a 27" iMac when the refreshed line comes out this year. Then I'll transfer my Win7 license into Boot Camp.
Fuk Bill gates, Fuk his windows, fuk his movie maker, fuk his zune, fuk his red-ring-of death xbox, fuk his shitty windows phone OS, fuk his CE based sync myford touch piece of shit.:flush:
Uh, you do know that Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft 12 years ago, right?
Direct your ire toward Steve Ballmer!
Windows 8 will be great on tablets, IMHO.
But unless MS has some kind of hack/workaround to bring back the "classic" desktop to the enterprise, it's going to fail on desktops and laptops. :yesnod:
Whatever they do, you can rest assured that Control Panel settings will be arbitrarily moved around again.
SubZero
03-13-2012, 10:38am
Uh, you do know that Bill Gates stepped down as CEO of Microsoft 12 years ago, right?
Direct your ire toward Steve Ballmer!
Fuk Steve Ballmer, Fuk his windows, fuk his movie maker, fuk his zune, fuk his red-ring-of death xbox, fuk his shitty windows phone OS, fuk his CE based sync myford touch piece of shit.
Cybercowboy
03-13-2012, 10:43am
I remember getting excited by the prospect of the new MS OS, loading beta, RC1, and RC2 versions, testing apps on those pre-release platforms for compatibility, reading about all the neat new features, etc.
Somewhere around Vista I completely lost interest, and I'm a frickin' Windows developer and have been for years and years (been writing commercial software since '94, and many years before that I was writing all sorts of programs for Windows.) I even dropped my MSDN membership a couple of years ago when MS totally screwed us developers with the new MSDN licensing scheme. It was like they were trying to get people to stop writing software for the platforms.
My main dev computer is an XP platform, and I have Vista and Win7 laptops, but I use my iPad far more than I do any laptop now. My MacBook is handier to take on trips due to it's small size and light weight, for when I want an actual computer, but really the iPad has made even that obsolete. And why would I want a Windows tablet when the iPad is so nice?
Oh, and did I mention that even when I would test on the beta versions of the new OS's, I'd still have to make changes for the apps to run on the release version because Microsoft always changed stuff right at the very end. And don't even get me started on the various updates MS has pushed out that has broken VS C++ applications due to problems with runtime libraries and the complex manifest schemes they use now.
Cybercowboy
03-13-2012, 11:15am
Beside the "free" software, what advantage to having an MSDN subscription have anymore?
I changed jobs and new company doesn't even know what MSDN is so no subscription for me.
I rock VS 2010 Pro and am doing just as well w/out all the "extras".
I heard MS screwed over MSDN subscribers but since I didn't pay I didn't care. :D
All of that said, I just can't get into the way OS X works from past uses.
I guess I could adapt if forced to migrate. :shrug:
Well, it was barely worth it before the change, costing about $2200/year but you got all of, well, everything. You could easily load up test platforms with essentially unlimited MSDN versions of OS's, Office, whatever. Then they changed it to where, for roughly the same thing but more locked down, it would cost $10k. :ack:
Yeah, so I have VS2010 on my Win7 laptop but still use VS2005 for most stuff, at least legacy stuff. I'm seriously considering making a new iOS version of everything. At the very least I'm going to abandon Internet Explorer as the platform for our browser Add-On. I just can't take it anymore, it's terrible.
Cybercowboy
03-13-2012, 11:21am
IE is still the most use browser on the web. :cheers:
That said, I don't use IE unless I absolutely must. :yesnod:
If Apple really wanted to "kill" MS, they'd bring their stuff much closer to the price point of MS based machines and OWN the market, IMHO. :yesnod:
I have people literally begging me to make our add-in run in Chrome or FireFox. I like Chrome better.
BuckyThreadkiller
03-13-2012, 1:51pm
I have people literally begging me to make our add-in run in Chrome or FireFox. I like Chrome better.
One really bad element about the Mac desktop is that their Safari browser well and truly sucks.
I switched over from the Winblows to a 27 inch iMac about two weeks ago. So far I am very pleased at how it runs. Makes me wonder why I put up with so much chit from MS.
I hear people loving Chrome. I'm personally not a fan but I'm a long time FF guy.
Heck I still run FF 3.6.x. Mozilla screwed up with this rapid release schedule crap, IMHO. :slap:
Because of this, I've switched to Chrome for just about everything I do on the intertubes. FireFox is still a memory pig.
Windows 8 fails the 'dad test' | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-8-fails-the-dad-test-188540)
kingpin
03-13-2012, 10:48pm
Because of this, I've switched to Chrome for just about everything I do on the intertubes. FireFox is still a memory pig.
:iagree:
http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/job-fails-moving-in-cycles.jpg
:iagree: except that Windows 7 gets a "Meh. So-so" in my book.
It's ok in terms of stability, but they've seriously hidden way to much chit trying to protect idiots from themselves. All the freaking permissions, the inability to share files with earlier versions of Windows (hello!! - it's your own damn legacy product!!!), the innumerable pop-ups that try to prevent anything more complex from a screen refresh occurring without you clickin "allow", the inability to actually find and manipulate things like NIC settings and virtually forcing you to use wizards that can't even wiz, etc.
In my book, it'll never get better than XP Pro. It could, but it won't.
Flatbush Harry
03-13-2012, 11:30pm
Drank the iKool-Aid in Oct 2009 when my HP gave up the ghost. I had previously spent 14 hours on the 800# with Gupta, Patel, Ramanathan and various guys named Laksmikanthan in Bangalore getting Office 2007 to work. I retired in 2007 and had no IT department...so I hired the guys at the genius bar over at Apple. In 2-1/2 years, 98.6% satisfaction, 1.4% chafing in the crotchal region. In all, muck FicroSoft, Hewlett Packitin and all that jazz.
:slap:
Haryr, technotcompetent
Drank the iKool-Aid in Oct 2009 when my HP gave up the ghost. I had previously spent 14 hours on the 800# with Gupta, Patel, Ramanathan and various guys named Laksmikanthan in Bangalore getting Office 2007 to work. I retired in 2007 and had no IT department...so I hired the guys at the genius bar over at Apple. In 2-1/2 years, 98.6% satisfaction, 1.4% chafing in the crotchal region. In all, muck FicroSoft, Hewlett Packitin and all that jazz.
:slap:
Haryr, technotcompetent
That's odd. No matter what their accent, they always tell me their name is "Bill", "Steve" or "Andy".
Cybercowboy
03-14-2012, 10:47am
Windows 8 fails the 'dad test' | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld (http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/windows-8-fails-the-dad-test-188540)
Holy shit! That's simply embarrassing. For Microsoft.
Entropy
03-14-2012, 11:03am
I've never had this problem. :shrug:
It was an absolutely huge issue when Office 2007 dropped. My work computer didn't update to the latest office until some time in 2009. However, I had students who had brand new laptops with the latest software who would send me papers that I couldn't read since my older work computer was still running Office 2003. :banghead:
I had to tell my students to save their files as .doc rather than .docx since I couldn't get them to open.
Don't even get me started on the worthlessness of Word Perfect. :ack: (I realize that it's not a Microsoft program, but I hate the fact that it comes standard for the cheap azzes who don't use word).
Cybercowboy
03-14-2012, 11:23am
WordPerfect was great when DOS was around. :D
Back in the DOS days I used Wordstar though. The entire thing fit on a single 360kb floppy disk. :lol:
73sbVert
03-14-2012, 2:50pm
Yeah, I liked Wordstar soooooooo much better than WP too!
Much, much easier to use.
BuckyThreadkiller
03-14-2012, 4:30pm
WordPerfect was great when DOS was around. :D
Back in the DOS days I used Wordstar though. The entire thing fit on a single 360kb floppy disk. :lol:
Which was good because that's all there were. I think my Kaypro machine had a whopping 640k ram to make those things fly.
burtonbl103
03-14-2012, 4:44pm
Win 8 server beta out today downloading now
Don't even get me started on the worthlessness of Word Perfect.
Reveal Codes.
CASE CLOSED
I agree that Word Perfect was less than perfect.:leaving:
Back in the DOS days I used Wordstar though. The entire thing fit on a single 360kb floppy disk. :lol:
Yeah, I liked Wordstar soooooooo much better than WP too!
Much, much easier to use.
WordStar rocked. You could do just about everything with keyboard commands. However, Windows killed WordStar. The first couple of versions of WordStar for Windows were absolute garbage.
Heck I've got folks at the company I work for who refuse to go past Office 2003 because they don't want to use the ribbon.
I hate that damn ribbon! No longer can you access frequently used features using the keyboard. :smash::smash:
Word Imperfect. :D
You got that right! :D
Win 8 server beta out today downloading now
Meh.
Turn off UAC. :cheers:
My slider is already dialed down to the bottom setting, which should be "off". Certain installs and things like trying to access directories from other PCs, configuring backups and whatnot still give me problems every now and then.
I've never had this problem. :shrug:
Well documented. Win 7 is notorious for making it difficult for XP PCs to access the Win 7 drive/folders on your network and vice-versa with print sharing and guest accounts. I've had problems and thought I resolved themn several times only to have them return later with access errors, etc.
I have a directory on my Terastation named "F'ckMSFT" that I map on each PC is use at home. If a file needs to go between my one Win 7 machine and my various XP machines, I use that directory as a parking spot.
If you like Win 7, then :cert:
Off the top of my head, I really can't think of one thing that I feel Win 7 does significantly better than XP. Other than sharpening your mouse skills as you go on Eater egg hunts, that is. :D
Crowvet
03-16-2012, 12:56am
http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/job-fails-moving-in-cycles.jpg
That looks kike some Good Crap right there:datawiz:
Torqaholic
03-16-2012, 1:31am
http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/job-fails-moving-in-cycles.jpg
That's hilarious. Every windows operating system I owned up until WIN 7 is in the crap column. Hard to complain since WIN 7 was the only one I actually bought though :rofl:
Joecooool
03-16-2012, 9:00am
Wait a minute...
Windows 8 first impressions: It's a game changer - Mar. 16, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/16/technology/windows-8/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2)
Now that the Beta has been released, appears it might not suck as much as people thought.
But it's got that neat Metro UI going on! You'll LOVE IT! :lol:
You know, that really is an excellent point. Let me get right on that download. BRB.
Wait a minute...
Windows 8 first impressions: It's a game changer - Mar. 16, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/16/technology/windows-8/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2)
Now that the Beta has been released, appears it might not suck as much as people thought.
CNN. :rolleyes:
Cybercowboy
03-16-2012, 11:15am
Yeah, I liked Wordstar soooooooo much better than WP too!
Much, much easier to use.
Yeah, but WP handled laser printers much better than WS did when they first became popular. I wrote a ton of special code for HP laser printers back in the day to make stuff print just the way we needed it to programmatically.
Wait a minute...
Windows 8 first impressions: It's a game changer - Mar. 16, 2012 (http://money.cnn.com/2012/03/16/technology/windows-8/index.htm?hpt=hp_t2)
Now that the Beta has been released, appears it might not suck as much as people thought.
New Coke was a game-changer too. Turns out that nobody liked the new game.
OK, I'll give it a fair shake.... installing VirtualBox and Windows 8 consumer preview on my work macbook pro. :D
OK, so I've got my Winders 8 installed in a VM (Virtual Box). It's running on my Macbook Pro.
I think I'll stick with Windows 7 on my desktop. It seems that when Microsoft finally figured out how to make a decent UI they went and totally started over from scratch.
Okay, there's a "desktop" pane in Windows 8 which looks more like the old version, but it's rather stripped down.
Metro might work on a tablet but on a computer with a mouse it just makes zero sense. When using it on a computer, you get the same feeling that you get when a blue-painted turtle is throwing paperclips at you and screeching like Yoko Ono while a mime cries softly in the fog.
The stupid Metro version of IE has the URL bar at the bottom. But if you use IE on the desktop pane it looks like a normal browser.
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