Liberal or Conservative?

[oyealiz]

Which describes you?

[Iron Chef]

Cantankerous. :seeya:

Oh wait...that's not a choice... :beer:

[TR6speed]

Conservative all the way.

[jeff w]

Which one is allowed to like pie?

[Z06PDQ]

if you don't know by now. :rofl:

[PortDawg]

if you don't know by now. :rofl:

:iagree:

[WKMCD]

To paraphrase a great Winston Churchill line...

"If you're young and not a liberal, you have no heart. If you get older and are not a conservative, you have no brain."

You spend the first half of you life collecting things and the second half trying to keep them.

The US government of the last 10 years has left me little choice but to be an anarchist.

[Y2Kvert4me]

Which one is allowed to like pie?All three. :D

[Peter Pan]

On my Facebook page's profile shows another 978 days until Obama is out of office should show the side I prefer, keep my money in my pocket not give it to those that want to sit on their asseshttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/55425421.gif

[Z06PDQ]

I voted for the guy who's health care proposal was almost identical to Richard Millhouse Nixon's......you know.....that communist they called "Tricky Dick" :lolsmile: :D :rofl:

[Peter Pan]

I voted for the guy who's health care proposal was almost identical to Richard Millhouse Nixon's......you know.....that communist they called "Tricky Dick" :lolsmile: :D :rofl:

Your point is:confused5:

[Z06PDQ]

Your point is:confused5:

my point is nobody calls Nixon a "socialist,commie,pinko." blah feckin' blah. wonder why? looks like to me people are up in arms because a mulatto man is well on his way to bringing about the change he said he would when he ran for office & turning the nation around from the steep downward spiral towards the Third World that was Bush's rein. :D

[Joecooool]

Which are you Liz?

[WKMCD]

my point is nobody calls Nixon a "socialist,commie,pinko." blah feckin' blah. wonder why? looks like to me people are up in arms because a mulatto man is well on his way to bringing about the change he said he would when he ran for office & turning the nation around from the steep downward spiral towards the Third World that was Bush's rein. :D

You've got to be kidding. It's a cheap argument to invoke race but that's nothing new. I guess everyone who disagrees with his socialist policies is now a racist. GTF out of here.

Obama's "spend money like you've got it" agenda will level the world playing field by putting the US on par with Greece, Spain and a number of other countries that are on the verge of bankruptcy.

"Dissention is the greatest form of patriotism"

[Peter Pan]

my point is nobody calls Nixon a "socialist,commie,pinko." blah feckin' blah. wonder why? looks like to me people are up in arms because a mulatto man is well on his way to bringing about the change he said he would when he ran for office & turning the nation around from the steep downward spiral towards the Third World that was Bush's rein. :D

You must be smokin something, look at the national debt alone, risen 22% in the first 16 months under the Messiah, today we stand at 94% of annual GDP, that is getting up in Greece's rare air and we are in trouble if we do not stop this crazy spending this Socalist is taking us on the Euro model that is not working:yesnod::yesnod:

[Z06PDQ]

You've got to be kidding. It's a cheap argument to invoke race but that's nothing new. I guess everyone who disagrees with his socialist policies is now a racist. GTF out of here.

Obama's "spend money like you've got it" agenda will level the world playing field by putting the US on par with Greece, Spain and a number of other countries that are on the verge of bankruptcy.

"Dissention is the greatest form of patriotism"

the truth hurts, sometimes. don't tell me it isn't a race issue with a lot of people when half the emails I get from Rightys are making fun of the race issue.the jokes are everywhere on the net. I'm not saying just because anybody opposes him they are racist, but you are only being untruthful with yourself if you turn a blind eye to it. as far as the last part of your post, it is nothing but a prediction.an opinion. & you know what they say about opinions. :D

[Z06PDQ]

You must be smokin something, look at the national debt alone, risen 22% in the first 16 months under the Messiah, today we stand at 94% of annual GDP, that is getting up in Greece's rare air and we are in trouble if we do not stop this crazy spending this Socalist is taking us on the Euro model that is not working:yesnod::yesnod:

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[WKMCD]

Keep drinking the Koolaid...It's obviously shrinking your brain...

[Z06PDQ]

Keep drinking the Koolaid...It's obviously shrinking your brain...

so.....ya got nuttin' huh? :lol:

[Z06PDQ]

Which are you Liz?

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[WKMCD]

so.....ya got nuttin' huh? :lol:

It would just be a waste of time. :yesnod:

[McLeod]

It would just be a waste of time. :yesnod:

:iagree:

Some people need :beat:

[Cobra4B]

Fiscal conservative.... don't really care about fags and bible-thumpers much.

[Peter Pan]

Fiscal conservative.... don't really care about fags and bible-thumpers much.

:lol::hurray:

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I voted for the guy who's health care proposal was almost identical to Richard Millhouse Nixon's......you know.....that communist they called "Tricky Dick" :lolsmile: :D :rofl:

I wouldn't exactly call Nixon the poster child for conservatism.

There are very good reasons why his Medical Disaster Waiting to Happen didn't pass in the liberal 60s

[oyealiz]

Which are you Liz?

maybe she's BI - Bipartisanship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisanship) :dance:

:lol: Indeed!

I'm fiscally conservative but rather socially liberal.

[Z06PDQ]

I wouldn't exactly call Nixon the poster child for conservatism.

There are very good reasons why his Medical Disaster Waiting to Happen didn't pass in the liberal 60s
agreed. but I've never heard anyone call him a socialist or communist. there is a legion of people who do this with Obama because of health care. of course, in Nixon's day there weren't any shock jocks with massive audiences like there is now.
:)

[Peter Pan]

agreed. but I've never heard anyone call him a socialist or communist. there is a legion of people who do this with Obama because of health care. of course, in Nixon's day there weren't any shock jocks with massive audiences like there is now.
:)

It is not just about Health Care, that is the tip of the issue, spending like they do in Europe does not work, Greece is the first to find this out, we are going down the Socialist Path, I did live in Europe for years and I do not want what they have, the Obamanics want that go ahead and move to Europe:cheers:

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I've been thinking about this for a while.

I've decided what I am is an American.

More Jefferson than Hamilton.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

agreed. but I've never heard anyone call him a socialist or communist. there is a legion of people who do this with Obama because of health care. of course, in Nixon's day there weren't any shock jocks with massive audiences like there is now.
:)

Nixon surrendered to Communists in Viet Nam, went to Communist China and re-established relations with Breshnev's Communist government.

But he did all those things for show on the other side of the world.

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank and Dodd have ridden a circus train into our backyard and started building the Big Top.

[Z06PDQ]

Nixon surrendered to Communists in Viet Nam, went to Communist China and re-established relations with Breshnev's Communist government.

But he did all those things for show on the other side of the world.

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank and Dodd have ridden a circus train into our backyard and started building the Big Top.

I'll never forget Nixon's China visit.people were outraged. the same kind of outrage that Obama got for extending an olive branch to the Muslim world. the "circus" is Fox, Beck,Limbaugh,Hannity,Palin & the Tea Party.Rove,Cheney[& his clueless daughter] & Gingrich IMHO. if it wasn't so pathetic it would be comical.

[Peter Pan]

I'll never forget Nixon's China visit.people were outraged. the same kind of outrage that Obama got for extending an olive branch to the Muslim world. the "circus" is Fox, Beck,Limbaugh,Hannity,Palin & the Tea Party.Rove,Cheney[& his clueless daughter] & Gingrich IMHO. if it wasn't so pathetic it would be comical.

No you got it 100% turned around, it is CNN, MSNBC and Obamanics and his cronnies, quit spending the money we do not have:cheers:

[iluvmyvettes]

No you got it 100% turned around, it is CNN, MSNBC and Obamanics and his cronnies, quit spending the money we do not have:cheers:

How much whining did you do about TARP at the time???

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I'll never forget Nixon's China visit.people were outraged. the same kind of outrage that Obama got for extending an olive branch to the Muslim world. the "circus" is Fox, Beck,Limbaugh,Hannity,Palin & the Tea Party.Rove,Cheney[& his clueless daughter] & Gingrich IMHO. if it wasn't so pathetic it would be comical.

The difference between that circus and the one i referenced is that the zoo on the right has no power to legislate.

[Z06PDQ]

The difference between that circus and the one i referenced is that the zoo on the right has no power to legislate.

and THAT'S a good thing. :hurray:

[Peter Pan]

How much whining did you do about TARP at the time???

As much as I did about HC, this is close to a trillion dollars wasted, where are the fuc$ing jobs:toetap:

[Z06PDQ]

As much as I did about HC, this is close to a trillion dollars wasted, where are the fuc$ing jobs:toetap:




THE NUMBERS are in, and there can no longer be any doubt that President Obama’s stimulus bill, passed just over a year ago, helped pull America from the brink of economic catastrophe, in part by creating millions of jobs that would not otherwise have existed. All of the major economic research firms that have studied the stimulus’ effect have come to this conclusion. The specific estimates vary, but it’s clear that the stimulus created somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.6 million jobs so far, and will generate around 2.5 million in the long run. (The administration’s generous estimate is 3.5 million.)

Joblessness is still sky-high, of course, and the United States is by no means out of the woods economically. It’s understandable that Americans whose situations haven’t been visibly improved by the bill want to rail against it and outsized government spending, and the stimulus certainly wasn’t without its flaws.

Still, though, it’s ridiculous to deny, as many have, that adding 2.5 million jobs was a poor use of government funds, or that the bill’s other features, which ranged from expanded COBRA health benefits for laid-off workers to money to forestall layoffs of teachers, firefighters, and police officers, helped many Americans to stay on their feet.

Stimulus opponents, often motivated by strictly ideological or political concerns, have repeatedly claimed that the bill didn’t create a single job that the economy wouldn’t have created anyway. This isn’t true, and it should be beyond the bounds of political debate to claim it.
© Copyright 2010 Globe Newspaper Company.

[Peter Pan]

THE NUMBERS are in, and there can no longer be any doubt that President Obama’s stimulus bill, passed just over a year ago, helped pull America from the brink of economic catastrophe, in part by creating millions of jobs that would not otherwise have existed. All of the major economic research firms that have studied the stimulus’ effect have come to this conclusion. The specific estimates vary, but it’s clear that the stimulus created somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.6 million jobs so far, and will generate around 2.5 million in the long run. (The administration’s generous estimate is 3.5 million.)

Joblessness is still sky-high, of course, and the United States is by no means out of the woods economically. It’s understandable that Americans whose situations haven’t been visibly improved by the bill want to rail against it and outsized government spending, and the stimulus certainly wasn’t without its flaws.

Still, though, it’s ridiculous to deny, as many have, that adding 2.5 million jobs was a poor use of government funds, or that the bill’s other features, which ranged from expanded COBRA health benefits for laid-off workers to money to forestall layoffs of teachers, firefighters, and police officers, helped many Americans to stay on their feet.

Stimulus opponents, often motivated by strictly ideological or political concerns, have repeatedly claimed that the bill didn’t create a single job that the economy wouldn’t have created anyway. This isn’t true, and it should be beyond the bounds of political debate to claim it.
© Copyright 2010 Globe Newspaper Company.

You can really spew the BS as 9.9% of Americans not working is not creating jobs, he has lots millions of jobs no plus in creating until the last few months and it is no where the 2.5 million, what a waste of my $$, same for me paying for others COBRA, just another handout, extending unemployement for upto 96 weeks is a farce, spend baby spend, someone else will pay for this excess, just not Obama.

On a side note, this weekend he will be on vacation vs being at the National Cemetry for our heros, like going hiking during this oil spill, he has a hand on something, not America's best interests, just Unions and the rest of the world:dance:

[Z06PDQ]

You can really spew the BS as 9.9% of Americans not working is not creating jobs, he has lots millions of jobs no plus in creating until the last few months and it is no where the 2.5 million, what a waste of my $$, same for me paying for others COBRA, just another handout, extending unemployement for upto 96 weeks is a farce, spend baby spend, someone else will pay for this excess, just not Obama.

On a side note, this weekend he will be on vacation vs being at the National Cemetry for our heros, like going hiking during this oil spill, he has a hand on something, not America's best interests, just Unions and the rest of the world:dance:

pull your head out,dude. the evidence is overwhelming: Stimulus Created or Saved as Many as 2.1 Million Jobs, CBO Says - BusinessWeek (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-23/stimulus-created-or-saved-as-many-as-2-1-million-jobs-cbo-says.html)

[NEVRL8T]

pull your head out,dude. the evidence is overwhelming: Stimulus Created or Saved as Many as 2.1 Million Jobs, CBO Says - BusinessWeek (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-23/stimulus-created-or-saved-as-many-as-2-1-million-jobs-cbo-says.html)

And how much debt did the stimulus create? And didn't Bush already have a stimulus package in place before Obama took office?

[Z06PDQ]

And how much debt did the stimulus create? And didn't Bush already have a stimulus package in place before Obama took office?

do you think jobs are free? :skep: even Bush saw what had to be done.

[Peter Pan]

pull your head out,dude. the evidence is overwhelming: Stimulus Created or Saved as Many as 2.1 Million Jobs, CBO Says - BusinessWeek (http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-23/stimulus-created-or-saved-as-many-as-2-1-million-jobs-cbo-says.html)

Lots how many millions more than he created, 1 trillion means each job must of cost 5 times the average wages, on the low side, where the fu$k did my tax dollars go, in lots of pockets and not for the extra jobs that have been lots over your stats, unemployment does not go up to almost 10% with job creation, only in Obama's stats, they ignore the lost jobs, you do not get it negative jobs is not job growth, or even creation:cheers:

[Z06PDQ]

Lots how many millions more than he created, 1 trillion means each job must of cost 5 times the average wages, on the low side, where the fu$k did my tax dollars go, in lots of pockets and not for the extra jobs that have been lots over your stats, unemployment does not go up to almost 10% with job creation, only in Obama's stats, they ignore the lost jobs, you do not get it negative jobs is not job growth, or even creation:cheers:

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[BuckyThreadkiller]

You allergic to math PDQ?

Those jobs weren't "created or saved" (a stat that didn't exist until January of 2009). They were bought. On credit.

I'm not disputing that people who didn't have jobs now have them. But what are those jobs? Manufacturing? Engineering? Entrepreneurs? Nope. Mostly road construction and public works projects. The infamous "shovel ready" slots that are going to manual laborers.

We aren't building an economy, we are simply putting people into stop gap project employment that isn't increasing the tax base. In a system where 50% of the population doesn't pay taxes and relies on the top 10% to carry the cost of government and it's spending, most of those jobs will not pay the salaries required to even make minimally taxable wages.

[Z06PDQ]

You allergic to math PDQ?

Those jobs weren't "created or saved" (a stat that didn't exist until January of 2009). They were bought. On credit.

I'm not disputing that people who didn't have jobs now have them. But what are those jobs? Manufacturing? Engineering? Entrepreneurs? Nope. Mostly road construction and public works projects. The infamous "shovel ready" slots that are going to manual laborers.

We aren't building an economy, we are simply putting people into stop gap project employment that isn't increasing the tax base. In a system where 50% of the population doesn't pay taxes and relies on the top 10% to carry the cost of government and it's spending, most of those jobs will not pay the salaries required to even make minimally taxable wages.

you said:
"people that didn't have jobs now have them" ok at least you aren't in denial there. taxes aren't everything when it comes to our economy. those jobs will enable people to buy. you can't buy squat without a job. our economic engine is fueled by purchasing power & that's one of the main reasons it stalled. "those jobs weren't created or saved" ORLY? what would you call the autoworkers keeping their jobs? I'd call that a pretty good "save." what would you call the 3 + million workers directly dependent on the auto industry as vendors & sub contractors? ditto. 50% may not pay taxes [now] but they contribute a helluva lot more than 50% to the economy with purchasing power. I think my "math" is right on.

[Y2Kvert4me]

A great many of these claimed "created jobs" in the stats are census workers - Temp positions hired by gov't that we still pay for. No different/better than welfare.

What are the stats in the manufacturing sector and GDP? Ya know, the actual production of this country? Not quite as optimistic..

[Z06PDQ]

A great many of these claimed "created jobs" in the stats are census workers - Temp positions hired by gov't that we still pay for. No different/better than welfare.

What are the stats in the manufacturing sector and GDP? Ya know, the actual production of this country? Not quite as optimistic..

"a great many?" how many? link? stat? we can thank the Bush administration & yes, Clinton, too for the "giant sucking sound" [Ross Perot quote] that were our jobs leaving.

[Y2Kvert4me]

"a great many?" how many? link? stat? we can thank the Bush administration & yes, Clinton, too for the "giant sucking sound" [Ross Perot quote] that were our jobs leaving.And in which sector has the new administration created millions of jobs? :skep: (you claimed it first - post up the details)

[Peter Pan]

And in which sector has the new administration created millions of jobs? :skep: (you claimed it first - post up the details)

:hurray::hurray:Again after almost 18 months of the Messiah steering us towards BR, it is still Bush's fault, the latest poll show's the Messiah at a 42% favorable and 56% disapprove, that is really a sinking feeling, like the stock market lately. How many GM, Chrysler Factories closed, they saved a few, oh and the ripple effect on the down stream was huge 9.9% does not lie:yesnod::yesnod:

[Z06PDQ]

:hurray::hurray:Again after almost 18 months of the Messiah steering us towards BR, it is still Bush's fault, the latest poll show's the Messiah at a 42% favorable and 56% disapprove, that is really a sinking feeling, like the stock market lately. How many GM, Chrysler Factories closed, they saved a few, oh and the ripple effect on the down stream was huge 9.9% does not lie:yesnod::yesnod:

Bush & Reagan both started their terms with low poll numbers. polls are like the stock market. they rise....they fall. good analogy on your part. I believe Bucky mentioned "where" the new jobs are being created. you might check his posts. :cheers: the problem here is you guys don't trust the evil socialist government & any stats they report is a "lie" according to you. even if it's a bipartisan commission where the Pubs are involved in the numbers. all I have to hear is stuff like "Messiah" & I know where the poster's opinions come from.

[leec4ce]

"all I have to hear is stuff like "Messiah" & I know where the poster's opinions come from."[/QUOTE]'

As we know the the opinions of the ones who spout "Bush's FAULT" :flag:

[Z06PDQ]

"all I have to hear is stuff like "Messiah" & I know where the poster's opinions come from."'

As we know the the opinions of the ones who spout "Bush's FAULT" :flag:[/QUOTE]

that depends on what you are talking about. if you are talking about a costly war for oil based on WMD lies :iagree: if you are talking about the largest outsourcing of American jobs in our whole history :iagree: there's more. :D

[Peter Pan]

"all I have to hear is stuff like "Messiah" & I know where the poster's opinions come from."'

As we know the the opinions of the ones who spout "Bush's FAULT" :flag:[/QUOTE]

:iagree:All we here from the Messiah's admin is it is Bush's fault after 18 months is getting old, spending trillions with out postive resutls is still Bush's fault, like the oil spill response, the zero or close to zero response to the Nashville 500 year flood disaster, not enouth people of color to help out so they do not even warrant a visit from the annointed one. His fix spend money we do not have, who cares about the future, spend baby spend and spend some more a trillion here and a trillion there is just pocket change, and while the annointed one is at it time for a vacation in Chicago nothing is needing fixed in America, HC is passed, Crap and Tax will be soon and we will send some National Guard to the border all is great now, oh the oil spill who cares we will nationalize the oil companies so this will not happen again, like all those jobs saved in the Auto industry with my tax money, yes we closed a boat load of factories, and lots of suppliers also went up in smoke. Spend, spend, spend all is going to be ok just let the Govt do everything for us:lol:

[Z06PDQ]

'

As we know the the opinions of the ones who spout "Bush's FAULT" :flag:

:iagree:All we here from the Messiah's admin is it is Bush's fault after 18 months is getting old, spending trillions with out postive resutls is still Bush's fault, like the oil spill response, the zero or close to zero response to the Nashville 500 year flood disaster, not enouth people of color to help out so they do not even warrant a visit from the annointed one. His fix spend money we do not have, who cares about the future, spend baby spend and spend some more a trillion here and a trillion there is just pocket change, and while the annointed one is at it time for a vacation in Chicago nothing is needing fixed in America, HC is passed, Crap and Tax will be soon and we will send some National Guard to the border all is great now, oh the oil spill who cares we will nationalize the oil companies so this will not happen again, like all those jobs saved in the Auto industry with my tax money, yes we closed a boat load of factories, and lots of suppliers also went up in smoke. Spend, spend, spend all is going to be ok just let the Govt do everything for us:lol:[/QUOTE]

the truth never "gets old." the Bushes,Clinton & Reagan just about ruined this nation for the working middle class. not to mention turned most of our allies into enemies. if anything is getting "old" it's the utterly stupid talk like "Messiah,anointed one, foreign born,Muslim,racist,half breed,communist/socialist, condescending [one minute] & bowing, apologetic [the next]" absolute tripe that comes from alcoholic/junkie shock jocks & is repeated by low information sheeple that hang on their every word like it was coming from God Almighty Himself.

[leec4ce]

the truth never "gets old." the Bushes,Clinton & Reagan just about ruined this nation for the working middle class. not to mention turned most of our allies into enemies. if anything is getting "old" it's the utterly stupid talk like "Messiah,anointed one, foreign born,Muslim,racist,half breed,communist/socialist, condescending [one minute] & bowing, apologetic [the next]" absolute tripe that comes from alcoholic/junkie shock jocks & is repeated by low information sheeple that hang on their every word like it was coming from God Almighty Himself.[/QUOTE]

God Almighty Himself, this would be Bill Maher

[Z06PDQ]

the truth never "gets old." the Bushes,Clinton & Reagan just about ruined this nation for the working middle class. not to mention turned most of our allies into enemies. if anything is getting "old" it's the utterly stupid talk like "Messiah,anointed one, foreign born,Muslim,racist,half breed,communist/socialist, condescending [one minute] & bowing, apologetic [the next]" absolute tripe that comes from alcoholic/junkie shock jocks & is repeated by low information sheeple that hang on their every word like it was coming from God Almighty Himself.

God Almighty Himself, this would be Bill Maher[/QUOTE]

nah. Maher's an atheist. :D

[leec4ce]

God Almighty Himself, this would be Bill Maher

nah. Maher's an atheist. :D[/QUOTE]

:roll: :biglol: :lmfao:

[Peter Pan]

nah. Maher's an atheist. :D

:roll: :biglol: :lmfao:[/QUOTE]

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[Entropy]

Neither one of those fit me.

I'm a Libertarian. I don't like telling people what they can or cannot do.

[ChasC5]

PROGRESSIVE; in everything I do. That’s why I drive a Corvette. :yesnod:

If I was Conservative … well obviously I wouldn’t be driving anything like a Vette. :)