Thought Provoker-Should Prison Inmates Doing "Life" Be Permitted to Commit Suicide?

[Bill]

The thread about the child molester/murderer suicide got me to thinking....should prisons permit and/or assist inmates who want to commit suicide?

This should save taxpayers money, and of course, I think suicide should be legal for any free person, since we own ourselves, rather than being owned by the state. The issue here is, those incarcerated really are "owned" by the state, for the duration of their sentances.

So, what say you, VB? Allow "lifers" to off themselves, or keep the current policy and make them suffer (at taxpayer expense) the whole term?

[vtelvr]

I think there need to be prison strike teams to handle animals like the one you referenced in your post. Honestly, I do. I feel that if someone like him has decided that he wants to end it all, he should have to face the "group" that will do this for him. Is it right or moral, fk no. But is molesting and beating a 7 year old to death right and moral? I came from the school of an eye for an eye. Fk pieces of trash like this.

[...Whitepower...]

If they choose that option, the family's of their victims should be allowed to carry out the death sentence however they see fit.

[vtelvr]

If they choose that option, the family's of their victims should be allowed to carry out the death sentence however they see fit.

:iagree::iagree:

[C5SilverBullet]

I believe that a person who decides they want the death penalty, should be allowed to receive it at any time.

[Nemesis]

Allow "lifers" to off themselves, or keep the current policy and make them suffer (at taxpayer expense) the whole term?

This doesn't make any sense. If someone wants to hang themselves in their cell, they're going to do it. No one can prevent it completely.

Are you saying the guards should help the inmate onto the balcony railing? Well, we went through it already with DR. Kavorkian.

[Bill]

If they choose that option, the family's of their victims should be allowed to carry out the death sentence however they see fit.

Traditional choices, like firing squad, lethal injection or gas chamber? Or are you including non traditional choices like family members with baseball bats for 20 minutes?

Remember, if you make the actual death so unpalatable, it might make inmates shy away from asking to kill themselves.

[VatorMan]

Yes-and in the case of child molesters/killers,other inmates should receive brownie points for asskickings,rapes, and other prison type stuff done to them.

[vtelvr]

Traditional choices, like firing squad, lethal injection or gas chamber? Or are you including non traditional choices like family members with baseball bats for 20 minutes?

Remember, if you make the actual death so unpalatable, it might make inmates shy away from asking to kill themselves.


Sure it will get back around somehow, but you try to keep the method under wraps. There really isn't the perfect solution here...


Yes-and in the case of child molesters/killers,other inmates should receive brownie points for asskickings,rapes, and other prison type stuff done to them.

I think that the sick motherfkrs should get the worst of it. Hell, If they would just go back to hanging on the courthouse square and letting them hang for a day or two, the sick shit people do would decrease. I live in the wrong time I suppose. I should have been born in the "wild west" days...

[Curvette]

Although I would like the families of victims to be able to do whatever they wanted to the criminal, that isn't going to happen.

I hope they take their own life while in prison. I hate to pay for their TV and coffee, and all their "rights".

[Bill]

This doesn't make any sense. If someone wants to hang themselves in their cell, they're going to do it. No one can prevent it completely.

Are you saying the guards should help the inmate onto the balcony railing? Well, we went through it already with DR. Kavorkian.

Figuratively, that's what I am asking you. Should we allow inmates who desire to kill themselves the privilege of doing so, and, related, should we help them by providing lethal drugs, or access to a gas chamber, etc.?

I know that inmates can and do sometimes kill themselves. I am asking if we should formally OK that, rather than making that their final criminal act.

[VITE1]

Let them.

Life in Prison is Bullshit ***** way to avoid getting societies hands dirty. If the person is that unredeemable or that dangerous just take them out and kill them.

[LATB]

violent criminals should be hung in the public square...

which today means...Pay-per-view...

the revenue could go toward the national debt...

and while they are at it...legalize & tax marijuana...and that would pay the debt to ZERO real quick.

plus...

we could legally burn a big 'ole fatty while watching the bad guys swing from the gallows. :D

WIN-WIN!!! :cert: :dance:

[Bill]

violent criminals should be hung in the public square...

which today means...Pay-per-view...

the revenue could go toward the national debt...

and while they are at it...legalize & tax marijuana...and that would pay the debt to ZERO real quick.

plus...

we could legally burn a big 'ole fatty while watching the bad guys swing from the gallows. :D

WIN-WIN!!! :cert: :dance:

You are failing to answer the central question asked. Lots of folks are assessed "life" imprisonment as penalty for their crime(s). Should THOSE folks be afforded the opportunity to kill themselves, or not?

[NB2K]

I don't really GAS either way, as long as they are put away.

The uninformed always whine about the "costs of locking them up" while never factoring the direct and indirect costs of crime.

"What are we doing to do, keep building prisons?"

Yes, of course. The crime rate continues to fall dramatically, even in today's poor economic conditions, because we are locking criminals up for longer periods.

Let 'em 'effin rot.

[nhlgopens]

Every lifer's cell should come with its own noose. Gives them something to think about while they are there forever. :cert:

[LATB]

You are failing to answer the central question asked. Lots of folks are assessed "life" imprisonment as penalty for their crime(s). Should THOSE folks be afforded the opportunity to kill themselves, or not?

not.

we should do the killing for them. :D

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[Burro (He/Haw)]

should prisons permit and/or assist inmates who want to commit suicide?
Nope

[LATB]

Nope

careful, your liberal is showing. :lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

careful, your liberal is showing. :lol:

Got nothing to do with being liberal bonerflake.

[Grey Ghost]

Yes. They WILL NEVER be a benefit to society. I don't believe they could ever be rehabilitated and would only do it again if let out of prison. The world will never miss their sorry asses.

I also agree that someone with a terminal illness should be allowed assistance, if they wish a more dignified death than a bullet in the brain. I had a friend that had to end his life that way.

[LATB]

Got nothing to do with being liberal bonerflake.

so, it's the compassionate conservative in you that would like to see people locked up for life on the tax payers dollar.

:lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

so, it's the compassionate conservative in you that would like to see people locked up for life on the tax payers dollar.

:lol:

Negative meatherder. Killing themselves is the easy way out isn't it?

[Bill]

so, it's the compassionate conservative in you that would like to see people locked up for life on the tax payers dollar.

:lol:

Lars, I don't think this is a typical lib-con issue.

Think about this....the guy choosing to kill himself has decided for whatever reason, that living is worse than dying. Should we insist on making that guy face living, IOW, keep the punishment going, or allow him to kill himself, thereby ending his in-this-life punishment?

The law and order, eye for and eye view in this case might be to force the inmate to continue suffering by living in prison, rather than escaping that torment through death.

[VatorMan]

Lars, I don't think this is a typical lib-con issue.

Think about this....the guy choosing to kill himself has decided for whatever reason, that living is worse than dying. Should we insist on making that guy face living, IOW, keep the punishment going, or allow him to kill himself, thereby ending his in-this-life punishment?

The law and order, eye for and eye view in this case might be to force the inmate to continue suffering by living in prison, rather than escaping that torment through death.

Being that as long as the SOB is alive, the victims are tormented. F those scum. I like the noose in a cell option.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Think of it this way Lars you pipepuncher ; If you allow THEM to make decisions THEY have gained control of THEIR situation. Fuk that. They lose ALL RIGHTS in prison.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

</sarcasm>

Of course not.
This would reduce the number of government funded jobs available for prison guards/care givers.

Your solution would only add to unemployment.

<sarcasm>

[73sbVert]

Figuratively, that's what I am asking you. Should we allow inmates who desire to kill themselves the privilege of doing so, and, related, should we help them by providing lethal drugs, or access to a gas chamber, etc.?

I know that inmates can and do sometimes kill themselves. I am asking if we should formally OK that, rather than making that their final criminal act.

Yes.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Yes.

Why?

[LATB]

Think of it this way Lars you pipepuncher ; If you allow THEM to make decisions THEY have gained control of THEIR situation. Fuk that. They lose ALL RIGHTS in prison.

used to be that way...

until the liberals got hold of the prison system. :lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

escaping that torment through death.

Similar idea behind my reasons. You're giving them control of their life/destiny.

I know this may be a difficult thought process for you to understand meatdwarf, but try. :D

[LATB]

Lars, I don't think this is a typical lib-con issue.



I believe it is more than you think.

but...I'm just bustin' Thomas' chops. you know Thomas...the "I'm not a liberal" who voted for Obama and has bleeding heart undertones in threads such as this one.

plus...you'd HAVE to be a liberal to play a guitar as well as he does...sans Uncle Ted. :lol:

disclaimer: my jealousy over Thomas' guitar play does not influence my post. :D

[MrPeabody]

violent criminals should be hung in the public square...

which today means...Pay-per-view...

the revenue could go toward the national debt...

and while they are at it...legalize & tax marijuana...and that would pay the debt to ZERO real quick.

plus...

we could legally burn a big 'ole fatty while watching the bad guys swing from the gallows. :D

WIN-WIN!!! :cert: :dance:

That marijuana must really cause brain damage. It always makes conservatives want to create new taxes.:lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

you know Thomas...the "I'm not a liberal" who voted for Obama and has bleeding heart undertones in threads such as this one.
Am I more liberal than some here? Duh. :D Any meatpilot can see that.

The title of this thread is "Thought Provoker." You knuckle draggers who immediately respond with "KILL 'EM ALL!" and consider yourself conservatives, are just as ridiculous as the far left "Lets get them cable TV." crowd.

Word. Pillowprincess's. :D

[NB2K]

Am I more liberal than some here? Duh. :D Any meatpilot can see that.

The title of this thread is "Thought Provoker." You knuckle draggers who immediately respond with "KILL 'EM ALL!" and consider yourself conservatives, are just as ridiculous as the far left "Lets get them cable TV." crowd.

Word. Pillowprincess's. :D

Well, can we get 'em cable TV and then kill 'em?:D

[73sbVert]

Why?

Because they are a cancer in our society and the quicker they are removed (by what hand I don't really care), the rest of society is better off.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Well, can we get 'em cable TV and then kill 'em?:D

Force them to watch CNN or Justin Bieber and let nature take it's natural course.

[MrPeabody]

Well, can we get 'em cable TV and then kill 'em?:D

I think this thread is more about letting them hang themselves with the cable.:D

[VITE1]

Similar idea behind my reasons. You're giving them control of their life/destiny.

I know this may be a difficult thought process for you to understand meatdwarf, but try. :D

Prison is about two things only
1) Rehabilitation
2) Deterrent

People going to prison are sent there to be rehabilitated so they can rejoin society. And it is suppose to be tough enough Deterrent so that people think twice about committing a crime.

It is not about retribution.

If someone is sentenced to life in prison they are believed to longer be viable rehabilitation candidates. Let them die if they wish

As I stated earlier "Life with out parole" is a Bullshit excess for *****'s who refuse to do the right thing and execute the scum that are a danger to society.

[themonk]

If they choose that option, the family's of their victims should be allowed to carry out the death sentence however they see fit.

You're assuming there are family member's victims, what if dude was in there for multiple bank robberies or treason?

[Bill]

Just to be clear, I am taking no position on the discussion.

I have conflicting feelings on the matter.

Pro: Dead inmates save me, the taxpayer money.

Dead inmates give finality to answering their crimes. It's over.


Con: Forcing those folks to stay alive and suffer seems like better payback than giving them the choice of the easy way out.

While I believe in the freedom of folks to commit suicide generally, inmates are not free, and thus, shouldn't be free to make that choice, a choice that the rest of us should have.

[LATB]

That marijuana must really cause brain damage. It always makes conservatives want to create new taxes.:lol:

:rofl::rofl:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Because they are a cancer in our society and the quicker they are removed (by what hand I don't really care), the rest of society is better off.
So you want to allow them to control their destiny. Allowing them to commit suicide doesn't carry ANY weight to them at all. Life means nothing to them to begin with.

Harsher sentences are the answer here. No cable, no TV, no book's, no magazines, no visits. No ANYTHING.

[MrPeabody]

Prison is about two things only
1) Rehabilitation
2) Deterrent

People going to prison are sent there to be rehabilitated so they can rejoin society. And it is suppose to be tough enough Deterrent so that people think twice about committing a crime.

It is not about retribution.

If someone is sentenced to life in prison they are believed to longer be viable rehabilitation candidates. Let them die if they wish

As I stated earlier "Life with out parole" is a Bullshit excess for *****'s who refuse to do the right thing and execute the scum that are a danger to society.

I basically agree with you, but for those who cannot be deterred or rehabilitated, (the prisons are full of examples) prison is also about locking people up to enhance the safety of law-abiding members of society.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Just to be clear, I am taking no position on the discussion
Coward. :D

[Chuck A]

Let them fry/burn
very approval indeed

[...Whitepower...]

I also agree that someone with a terminal illness should be allowed assistance, if they wish a more dignified death than a bullet in the brain. I had a friend that had to end his life that way.

:iagree:

[LATB]

bonerflake.

meatherder.

pipepuncher

meatdwarf

meatpilot

Pillowprincess's

your mind seems fixated :lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

your mind seems fixated :lol:

Quiet you hampsterhippie. :hurray:

[LATB]

Quiet you hampsterhippie. :hurray:

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[FasterTraffic]

Lars, I don't think this is a typical lib-con issue.

Think about this....the guy choosing to kill himself has decided for whatever reason, that living is worse than dying. Should we insist on making that guy face living, IOW, keep the punishment going, or allow him to kill himself, thereby ending his in-this-life punishment?

The law and order, eye for and eye view in this case might be to force the inmate to continue suffering by living in prison, rather than escaping that torment through death.

:iagree:

That is my take on the issue.

Morally, I support the death penalty. I've read of a lot of cases where the death penalty was earned several times over, and should be enforced in the most painful, brutal ways imagineable.

That said, realistically, I don't support the use of the death penalty (especially in California). It takes for - ev - er to execute someone, if they don't die of natural causes first, and the appeals process is an expensive burden on the court system.

I've always stated that our method of punishment for violent crime should be "Count of Monte Cristo"-style. Think dungeon. Bastille. Etc. Say you murder someone, are convicted in a court of law by a jury of your peers, and are sentenced to 30 years in prison. We take you to a prison and put you in an 8x8 cell with no windows, and a solid door with a slot near the bottom for sliding your foor under the door. In the cell are just a concrete slab for a bed, a toilet, and a sink. You go into the cell on day 1, we lock the door, and we don't open that door again until 8:00 AM on day 10,951. Or, we detect the odor of death.

No homies, no TV, no weights, no sun and sky, no mail, no shot callers or bitches. Nobody to intimidate or impress. Just you, the memory of what you did, and a lot of time to think about it.

That prison would reduce recidivism rates.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Oh lord. When I took my truck in for service they gave me that EXACT vehicle. Right down to the puke green color. :rofl::rofl:

I took shit from the guys at work for days. :rofl:

[MrPeabody]

your mind seems fixated :lol:

Well, at least it's not like he's following someone around, choosing singular words from his posts and multiple quoting them.:lol:

[Burro (He/Haw)]

We take you to a prison and put you in an 8x8 cell with no windows, and a solid door with a slot near the bottom for sliding your foor under the door. In the cell are just a concrete slab for a bed, a toilet, and a sink. You go into the cell on day 1, we lock the door, and we don't open that door again until 8:00 AM on day 10,951. Or, we detect the odor of death.

No homies, no TV, no weights, no sun and sky, no mail, no shot callers or bitches. Nobody to intimidate or impress. Just you, the memory of what you did, and a lot of time to think about it.

Absolutely PERFECT. :cert:

[VITE1]

I basically agree with you, but for those who cannot be deterred or rehabilitated, (the prisons are full of examples) prison is also about locking people up to enhance the safety of law-abiding members of society.

If they cannot be rehabilitated and we need to keep them away from society for the rest of life then kill them.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Well, at least it's not like he's following someone around, choosing singular words from his posts and multiple quoting them
Go easy on the wangsmuggler. He can't help it, it's the hair. :lol:

[LATB]

:iagree:

That is my take on the issue.

Morally, I support the death penalty. I've read of a lot of cases where the death penalty was earned several times over, and should be enforced in the most painful, brutal ways imagineable.

That said, realistically, I don't support the use of the death penalty (especially in California). It takes for - ev - er to execute someone, if they don't die of natural causes first, and the appeals process is an expensive burden on the court system.

I've always stated that our method of punishment for violent crime should be "Count of Monte Cristo" style. Say you murder someone, are convicted in a court of law by a jury of your peers, and are sentenced to 30 years in prison. We take you to a prison and put you in an 8x8 cell with no windows, and a solid door with a slot near the bottom for sliding your foor under the door. In the cell are just a concrete slab for a bed, a toilet, and a sink. You go into the cell on day 1, we lock the door, and we don't open that door again until 8:00 AM on day 10,951. Or, we detect the odor of death.

No homies, no TV, no weights, no sun and sky, no mail, no shot callers or bitches. Nobody to intimidate or impress. Just you, the memory of what you did, and a lot of time to think about it.

That would be a prison that would reduce recidivism rates.

and how do you think inmates got all those "entitlements"???

I'll give you a clue: LIBERALS, bleeding heart libs to be more specific.

The libs/progressives are slowly destroying the country...including the prison system

I say FUK 'EM ALL...HANG THEM HIGH!!!

We need about 75% less prisons and burring the violent crime inmates would help in the effort. :cert:

[LATB]

Well, at least it's not like he's following someone around, choosing singular words from his posts and multiple quoting them.:lol:

no following...all were quotes in this thread in response to my posts. :cert:

[MrPeabody]

If they cannot be rehabilitated and we need to keep them away from society for the rest of life then kill them.

For certain crimes, yes. But would you execute someone who was convicted of writing bad checks? I would prefer forced labor to make them pay restitution. The may enhance the possibility of rehabilitattion or rehabilitation.:seasix:

[MrPeabody]

no following...all were quotes in this thread in response to my posts. :cert:

Just havin' a little fun with you, Lars. But you knew that.:seasix:

[VITE1]

For certain crimes, yes. But would you execute someone who was convicted of writing bad checks? I would prefer forced labor to make them pay restitution. The may enhance the possibility of rehabilitattion or rehabilitation.:seasix:

Writing bad checks once is a person who made a mistake. Someone who does it repeatedly is a crook stealing from the productive in society and YES they should die.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

I'll give you a clue: LIBERALS,
You consider me a Liberal, and I don't endorse ANY of those things.

Everyone doesn't fall into your neat little compartments you hoseheap sockwaxer.

[...Whitepower...]

You're assuming there are family member's victims, what if dude was in there for multiple bank robberies or treason?

There are more people in this country in prision that any other nation out there.

The state of California's prison system is so overcrowded that they are sending inmates to prisions out of state.

Something like 15% of the prisons in this country are privately owned and make big money selling goods manufactured by prisoners. Not only are they profitable but they are competing with businesses run by law abiding citizens which pisses me off to no end.




So to answer your question let em check out if they want to, they are just a drain on society anyway regardless if they are a bank robber, rapist, murderer, whatever. Think of it as Darwinism, and thinning of the heard.

[FasterTraffic]

Writing bad checks once is a person who made a mistake. Someone who does it repeatedly is a crook stealing from the productive in society and YES they should die.

I disagree. There has to be degrees of punishment to fit the crime. In my model, you get regular prison for serious crimes (armed robbery, arson) but you are sentenced to C.O.M.C. prison for violent crimes with bodily injury (murder, rape).

If the punishment is the same, regardless of whether there is physical injury to a victim, why would you leave witnesses? Say you commit armed robbery. If you're going to be executed if caught either way, shoot the clerk and the pregnant lady in the face on the way out.

The punishment for minor crimes (bad checks) should be chain gang work. We would have the cleanest beaches, freeways, and national parks. Put them to work on improving the landscaping. Clean city buildings, etc. If you're passing bad checks, you want to get money without doing any work.

The punishment should be to do work without getting any money.

[73sbVert]

So you want to allow them to control their destiny. Allowing them to commit suicide doesn't carry ANY weight to them at all. Life means nothing to them to begin with.

Harsher sentences are the answer here. No cable, no TV, no book's, no magazines, no visits. No ANYTHING.

So what? If life means nothing to them at all, then letting them stay alive longer is not going to do anything but give them the satisfaction of not being dead, alive unlike their victims, and gives them the opportunity to poison others.

A harsher sentence may work for those that WANT to stay alive, but if someone really doesn't want to live any longer, then I say let them out. Saves us $$$ for supporting their asses, and loss of life is really the ultimate denial of choice, don'tchya think?

So you let them choose to kill themselves. They may do it anyway, this question is whether or not we want to keep it a criminal act. I say no.

If they sign over their life to the state, and the state plumbs them up but gives them the button to do the deed (one way only too, no backing out once decision is made), then I say go for it. I'll not shed a single tear.

[73sbVert]

I disagree. There has to be degrees of punishment to fit the crime. In my model, you get regular prison for serious crimes (armed robbery, arson) but you are sentenced to C.O.M.C. prison for violent crimes with bodily injury (murder, rape).

If the punishment is the same, regardless of whether there is physical injury to a victim, why would you leave witnesses? Say you commit armed robbery. If you're going to be executed if caught either way, shoot the clerk and the pregnant lady in the face on the way out.

The punishment for minor crimes (bad checks) should be chain gang work. We would have the cleanest beaches, freeways, and national parks. Put them to work on improving the landscaping. Clean city buildings, etc. If you're passing bad checks, you want to get money without doing any work.

The punishment should be to do work without getting any money.

Brilliant!!!

:cert:

[VITE1]

I disagree. There has to be degrees of punishment to fit the crime. In my model, you get regular prison for serious crimes (armed robbery, arson) but you are sentenced to C.O.M.C. prison for violent crimes with bodily injury (murder, rape).

If the punishment is the same, regardless of whether there is physical injury to a victim, why would you leave witnesses? Say you commit armed robbery. If you're going to be executed if caught either way, shoot the clerk and the pregnant lady in the face on the way out.

The punishment for minor crimes (bad checks) should be chain gang work. We would have the cleanest beaches, freeways, and national parks. Put them to work on improving the landscaping. Clean city buildings, etc. If you're passing bad checks, you want to get money without doing any work.

The punishment should be to do work without getting any money.

Your way or my way will never happen due to the pusses in this country. Rather than get worked up over it I am going to have a beer or three and watch football.