It looks Like Perry & Cain Are Done Like Dinners

[Jeff '79]

Herman Cain considers dropping his presidential bid | The Ticket - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/herman-cain-considers-dropping-presidential-bid-165214461.html)

Man, is Perry an idiot or what ?


Rick Perry flubs voting age - YouTube

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Embedding disabled. :banghead:

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Perhaps during the last round, everyone who was over 21 when they voted for Odumbo was drunk?

[Jeff '79]

Herman Cain would appear to be a real scumbag....Typical politician.....I wouldn't give him the time of day.....Perry.....Well, he's just slow.

[snide]

Oh, and as for Cain, if he quits now, he's admitting that he had the affair, in my eyes anyway...

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? So far, all I've seen is accusations, not proof. From what I've seen, all the women who mentioned affairs or inappropriate actions (over 10 freaking years ago), have financial issues. Hmmm.... What am I missing?

[ConstantChange]

Cain and Perry would save a lot of time and money if they quit now. Neither one of them have a chance.

[NB2K]

Oh, and as for Cain, if he quits now, he's admitting that he had the affair, in my eyes anyway...

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? So far, all I've seen is accusations, not proof. From what I've seen, all the women who mentioned affairs or inappropriate actions (over 10 freaking years ago), have financial issues. Hmmm.... What am I missing?

While I agree,....stick a fork in him.

[SubZero]

The problem with all these canidates is that the conservatives want to nominate the one who most appeals to the conservative voters even though the conservative voters are going to vote conservative anyway. Instead they should be looking for someone who will apeal to more middle of the road voters to get that swing. I hate to say it but looking at the canidates, no matter who gets the nomination, I think that person is going to appear to be too right wing extreme to attract those swing voters. I'm sure there will be an ugly campaign full of typical liberal fear mongering and instead of voting for Obama for another four years, the result will be voters voting against the GOP. :leaving: I am preparing my anus for four more years of nothing.

[Bob CTS]

The problem with all these canidates is that the conservatives want to nominate the one who most appeals to the conservative voters even though the conservative voters are going to vote conservative anyway. Instead they should be looking for someone who will apeal to more middle of the road voters to get that swing. I hate to say it but looking at the canidates, no matter who gets the nomination, I think that person is going to appear to be too right wing extreme to attract those swing voters. I'm sure there will be an ugly campaign full of typical liberal fear mongering and instead of voting for Obama for another four years, the result will be voters voting against the GOP. :leaving: I am preparing my anus for four more years of nothing.

I agree completely, you have to move the middle and the swing votes to the right in order to defeat Obama.

[VatorMan]

That's what America is reduced to. Hiring professional scumbags. It just makes me sick.

[SubZero]

Move to the middle. Right. How'd that work out in 2008.
It's exactly what Obama did. It didn't matter of it was Barack or Hillary, the dems were going to win the election because the middle wasn't so much voting dem as much as they were voting against the GOP because of Bush and the hate campaign put out by the dems.

I think the american people want someone in the white house who has image, charisma and personality. McCain just coun't offer and I don't think Newt has it either. To many people I think they come off as just being spoiled, rich bastards no matter how they try to move to the middle. The GOP needs to realize that they need to get rid of that image and get someone fresh in there to get those swing voters. I think Cain or Bachman has the best chance in that regards.

[VatorMan]

It's exactly what Obama did. It didn't matter of it was Barack or Hillary, the dems were going to win the election because the middle wasn't so much voting dem as much as they were voting against the GOP because of Bush and the hate campaign put out by the dems.

I think the american people want someone in the white house who has image, charisma and personality. McCain just coun't offer and I don't think Newt has it either. To many people I think they come off as just being spoiled, rich bastards no matter how they try to move to the middle. The GOP needs to realize that they need to get rid of that image and get someone fresh in there to get those swing voters. I think Cain or Bachman has the best chance in that regards.

Oh Bullshit. It was the anyone but Bush that got Obama elected. Face it-GW MADE SURE that Obama was elected.

[NEVRL8T]

Wonder how folks that were posting about him here http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/24626-cain.html feel now?

:lol:

[NB2K]

Buddy Roemer.

Read about him.

See what he stands for.

[SubZero]

Oh Bullshit. It was the anyone but Bush that got Obama elected. Face it-GW MADE SURE that Obama was elected.
:confused5: that's exacly what I was saying. It was the vote against the GOP that got Obama elected. Despte the fact that the only acomplishment that Obama can lay claim to is the killing of Bin Laden, He'll win again in 2012 if he can blame the economy on the house republicans and drag the GOP canidate into that mess. I don't think any of the canidates can talk their way out of that without coming off as an asshole.

[VatorMan]

:confused5: that's exacly what I was saying. It was the vote against the GOP that got Obama elected. Despte the fact that the only acomplishment that Obama can lay claim to is the killing of Bin Laden, He'll win again in 2012 if he can blame the economy on the house republicans and drag the GOP canidate into that mess. I don't think any of the canidates can talk their way out of that without coming off as an asshole.

It WASN'T the GOP. It was Bush and Cheney. More Cheney than Bush. But people vote with their pocketbooks. If the GOP can field ANYONE that can give a half assed reason to vote for them , they will win.

[RedLS1GTO]

Wonder how folks that were posting about him here http://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/off-topic/24626-cain.html feel now?

:lol:

My guess is that they feel the exact same way.

Unless I missed something there isn't a shred of proof of anything. If the day comes when he is proven to have done something... you won't find me supporting him. Until then I am more apt to believe that someone is behind it either for political or monetary gain.

I would LOVE to see the bank accounts of these women a few years from now (once nobody cared any more and it was safe to deposit) and see what kind of $$$ motivation they might have had.

[RedLS1GTO]

Either way... if it is true, he's a typical scumbag politician.

If it's not, it is an absolute disgrace and yet another showing of just how f**king screwed up this country is at the moment.

[NB2K]

Either way... if it is true, he's a typical scumbag politician.

If it's not, it is an absolute disgrace and yet another showing of just how f**king screwed up this country is at the moment.

:iagree:

That being said, it sounds like if you hang out at the NRA, you can pick up some trim.:D

[RedLS1GTO]

That being said, it sounds like if you hang out at the NRA, you can pick up some trim.:D

... but da bitches all be crazy.

[NB2K]

... but da bitches all be crazy.

So it's pretty much just like everywhere else?

[RedLS1GTO]

So it's pretty much just like everywhere else?

Yep. Pretty much.

[Scissors]

Man, is Perry an idiot or what ?


Rick Perry flubs voting age - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMq_3jQ2Ydw)

That's just as stupid as "57 states".

Oh wait, I forgot. When a conservative does it then it's an honest mistake.

[Scissors]

Perry told FOX News, "From time to time we all will get something wrong ... we're all human, we're going to make mistakes."

Hmmm...

[Joecooool]

It's exactly what Obama did. It didn't matter of it was Barack or Hillary, the dems were going to win the election because the middle wasn't so much voting dem as much as they were voting against the GOP because of Bush and the hate campaign put out by the dems.

I think the american people want someone in the white house who has image, charisma and personality. McCain just coun't offer and I don't think Newt has it either. To many people I think they come off as just being spoiled, rich bastards no matter how they try to move to the middle. The GOP needs to realize that they need to get rid of that image and get someone fresh in there to get those swing voters. I think Cain or Bachman has the best chance in that regards.You think Bachmann is in the middle? She's the looniest one in the group.

Obama is going to win in a landslide against any of the candidates currently running Mitt is the only one that stands a remote chance.

I do however agree that they need to go to the middle. Its too bad the far right loons shit all over Powell, he probably could beat Obama.

The only other possibility is an independent like Bloomberg but I think its too late for him to get on the ballots.

[The_Dude]

Cain and Perry have proven they are both human. IMHO, neither are presidential material.
I was watching a documentary on the Carter presidency last night. Obama seems determined to repeat history.

[onedef92]

Do you think the voting public will see past Cain's alleged whoremongering or is his run for office done at this point? :confused:

[BuckyThreadkiller]

You run to the fringe in the Primaries and move to the middle for the General election.

It's been that way for decades.


I've said since the beginning that Perry is too stupid to be President. In truth, he's too stupid to be a County Commissioner.

Cain might be innocent of all these allegations but when a pattern like this emerges, then you are done as far as the popularity contest goes.

[onedef92]

You run to the fringe in the Primaries and move to the middle for the General election.

It's been that way for decades.


I've said since the beginning that Perry is too stupid to be President. In truth, he's too stupid to be a County Commissioner.

Cain might be innocent of all these allegations but when a pattern like this emerges, then you are done as far as the popularity contest goes.

Do you think Cain has the business experience and acumen to stoke economic improvement in our country?

[Joecooool]

Do you think the voting public will see past Cain's alleged whoremongering or is his run for office done at this point? :confused:Who do you believe, Cain or the five women?

By the way there are several more out there that don't want to come forward because of the circus that then erupts.

[jaxgator]

Who do you believe, Cain or the five women?

By the way there are several more out there that don't want to come forward because of the circus that then erupts.

I'll believe Cain until proven otherwise. Allegations are not proof.

[VatorMan]

Do you think Cain has the business experience and acumen to stoke economic improvement in our country?

Doesn't matter. As a Democrat, you can have mistakes in your background (Clinton, Obama) and still be electable.

As a Republican, you have to be straight as an arrow-or be PERCEIVED to be straight. Any indiscretions will kill you on a ticket that is Pro Family, Pro life, and anti gay.

[mrvette]

It's exactly what Obama did. It didn't matter of it was Barack or Hillary, the dems were going to win the election because the middle wasn't so much voting dem as much as they were voting against the GOP because of Bush and the hate campaign put out by the dems.

I think the american people want someone in the white house who has image, charisma and personality. McCain just coun't offer and I don't think Newt has it either. To many people I think they come off as just being spoiled, rich bastards no matter how they try to move to the middle. The GOP needs to realize that they need to get rid of that image and get someone fresh in there to get those swing voters. I think Cain or Bachman has the best chance in that regards.

Oh Bullshit. It was the anyone but Bush that got Obama elected. Face it-GW MADE SURE that Obama was elected.

GW/Pubs in general are always on the receiving end of the Alinski approach....can't beat the man's platform? launch a devastating personal attack, lie, cheat, innuendo, don't matter true or not, destroy the individual's integrity with any means possible.....just accuse...and keep repeating....

and of course it's easy for the commies to do this, because the 'journalists' are trained to cover shit like that from their early daze in journ skool.....

I think it's high time the Pubs fought back with the same exact tactics.....lord knows it's easy enough....but with the lack of MSM support...it's harder, no free publicity for them....

:sadangel::seasix:

[mrvette]

I'll believe Cain until proven otherwise. Allegations are not proof.

I like the guy, and I believe him.......the slezeball women accusers are paid to do that, BET on it.....note they have NO background at all, except losers.....

:kick::lol:

[RedLS1GTO]

Who do you believe, Cain or the five women?

By the way there are several more out there that don't want to come forward because of the circus that then erupts.

5 women, with ZERO proof, and the vast majority of whom have a history of false accusations and financial issues. Yep. Sounds credible to me.

...as for the "others"... I'm sure there are plenty more out there waiting for the most profitible or politically helpful time to come forward.

Unfortunately, there are enough people like you who don't give a f**k about facts or evidence and have no problem piling on based solely on accusations.

Prove it. Show ANY proof that he did anything wrong and I will gladly call him a scumbag POS.


Until then, it is still absolutely pathetic (and telling of your character) how bad you WANT him to be guilty.

[The_Dude]

If the 13 year affair is true, there would have to be some corroborating evidence.

[Sea Six]

Ann Coulter - November 9, 2011 - DAVID AXELROD'S PATTERN OF SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR (http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-11-09.html)

DAVID AXELROD'S PATTERN OF SEXUAL MISBEHAVIOR
November 9, 2011


Herman Cain has spent his life living and working all over the country -- Indiana, Georgia, Minnesota, Nebraska, Kansas, Washington, D.C. -- but never in Chicago.

So it's curious that all the sexual harassment allegations against Cain emanate from Chicago: home of the Daley machine and Obama consigliere David Axelrod.

Suspicions had already fallen on Sheila O'Grady, who is close with David Axelrod and went straight from being former Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley's chief of staff to president of the Illinois Restaurant Association (IRA), as being the person who dug up Herman Cain's personnel records from the National Restaurant Association (NRA).

The Daley-controlled IRA works hand-in-glove with the NRA. And strangely enough, Cain's short, three-year tenure at the NRA is evidently the only period in his decades-long career during which he's alleged to have been a sexual predator.

After O'Grady's name surfaced in connection with the miraculous appearance of Cain's personnel files from the NRA, she issued a Clintonesque denial of any involvement in producing them -- by vigorously denying that she knew Cain when he was at the NRA. (Duh.)

And now, after a week of conservative eye-rolling over unspecified, anonymous accusations against Cain, we've suddenly got very specific sexual assault allegations from an all-new accuser out of ... Chicago.

Herman Cain has never lived in Chicago. But you know who has? David Axelrod! And guess who lived in Axelrod's very building? Right again: Cain's latest accuser, Sharon Bialek.

Bialek's accusations were certainly specific. But they also demonstrated why anonymous accusations are worthless.

Within 24 hours of Bialek's press conference, friends and acquaintances of hers stepped forward to say that she's a "gold-digger," that she was constantly in financial trouble -- having filed for personal bankruptcy twice -- and, of course, that she had lived in Axelrod's apartment building at 505 North Lake Shore Drive, where, she admits, she knew the man The New York Times calls Obama's "hired muscle."

Throw in some federal tax evasion, and she's Obama's next Cabinet pick.

The reason all this is relevant is that both Axelrod and Daley have a history of smearing political opponents by digging up claims of sexual misconduct against them.

John Brooks, Chicago's former fire commissioner, filed a lawsuit against Daley six months ago claiming Daley threatened to smear him with sexual harassment accusations if Brooks didn't resign. He resigned -- and the sexual harassment allegations were later found to be completely false.

Meanwhile, as extensively detailed in my book "Guilty: Liberal 'Victims' and Their Assault on America," the only reason Obama became a U.S. senator -- allowing him to run for president -- is that David Axelrod pulled sealed divorce records out of a hat, first, against Obama's Democratic primary opponent, and then against Obama's Republican opponent.

One month before the 2004 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Obama was way down in the polls, about to lose to Blair Hull, a multimillionaire securities trader.

But then The Chicago Tribune -- where Axelrod used to work -- began publishing claims that Hull's second ex-wife, Brenda Sexton, had sought an order of protection against him during their 1998 divorce proceedings.

From then until Election Day, Hull was embroiled in fighting the allegation that he was a "wife beater." He and his ex-wife eventually agreed to release their sealed divorce records. His first ex-wife, daughters and nanny defended him at a press conference, swearing he was never violent. During a Democratic debate, Hull was forced to explain that his wife kicked him and he had merely kicked her back.

Hull's substantial lead just a month before the primary collapsed with the nonstop media attention to his divorce records. Obama sailed to the front of the pack and won the primary. Hull finished third with 10 percent of the vote.

Luckily for Axelrod, Obama's opponent in the general election had also been divorced.

The Republican nominee was Jack Ryan, a graduate of Dartmouth and Harvard law and business schools, who had left his lucrative partnership at Goldman Sachs to teach at an inner-city school on the South Side of Chicago.

But in a child custody dispute some years earlier, Ryan's ex-wife, Hollywood sex kitten Jeri Lynn Ryan, had alleged that, while the couple was married, Jack had taken her to swingers clubs in Paris and New York.

Jack Ryan adamantly denied the allegations. In the interest of protecting their son, he also requested that the records be put permanently under seal.

Axelrod's courthouse moles obtained the "sealed" records and, in no time, they were in the hands of every political operative in Chicago. Knowing perfectly well what was in the records, Chicago Tribune attorneys flew to California and requested that the court officially "unseal" them -- over the objections of both Jack and Jeri Ryan.

Your honor, who knows what could be in these records!

A California judge ordered them unsealed, which allowed newspapers to publish the salacious allegations, and four days later, Ryan dropped out of the race under pressure from idiot Republicans (who should be tracked down and shot).

With a last-minute replacement of Alan Keyes as Obama's Republican opponent, Obama was able to set an all-time record in an Illinois Senate election, winning with a 43 percent margin.

And that's how Obama became a senator four years after losing a congressional race to Bobby Rush. (In a disastrous turn of events, Rush was not divorced.)

Axelrod destroyed the only two men who stood between Obama and the Senate with illicitly obtained, lurid allegations from their pasts.

In 2007, long after Obama was safely ensconced in the U.S. Senate, The New York Times reported: "The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece (on Hull's sealed divorce records) later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had 'worked aggressively behind the scenes' to push the story."

Some had suggested, the Times article continued, that Axelrod had "an even more significant role -- that he leaked the initial story."

This time, Obama's little helpers have not only thrown a bomb into the Republican primary, but are hoping to destroy the man who deprives the Democrats of their only argument in 2012: If you oppose Obama, you must be a racist.

COPYRIGHT 2011 ANN COULTER
DISTRIBUTED BY UNIVERSAL UCLICK
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[Sea Six]

Anyone (coughJOEchoke) care to refute any of the items in Ann Coulter's blog?

[Sea Six]

It's very interesting that until AFTER Ann Coulter published the above blog entry, it was ONLY during his three year run with the NRA that Cain was being accused of any sexual misconduct.

And now, we have this NEW accuser bringing up stuff that supposedly occurred AFTER the three year time period in question. It neatly opens up that suspicious little window of supposed indiscretion on the part of Cain.

How convenient.


This whole thing stinks.

Maybe I can anonymously accuse any potential Democratic nominee for President of sexual harassment. I wonder if the MSM would pick up on the story?

[Flatbush Harry]

If only we could all just laugh at our alleged government (both parties as we have bilateral, not to mention bipolar, stinkage).

I am currently mildly embroiled in a spat with one of our local Tea partiers. The attempt at trashing me in the local newspaper editorial pages seems to have made me 483,000 new friends.

:rofl:

yrarH

[The_Dude]

I am currently mildly embroiled in a spat with one of our local Tea partiers. The attempt at trashing me in the local newspaper editorial pages seems to have made me 483,000 new friends.

link?

[Scissors]

Who do you believe, Cain or the five women?


It pains me to say it, but Cain. Most of the women accusing him of sexual misconduct in the workplace have zero credibility. That's not to say that they're lying, but they probably are.

Things look to be different regarding Ginger White, however. While some jumped on her financial struggles as evidence that she's looking for a payday, they conveniently missed the fact that she didn't come forward willingly. She was outed by someone else, and only shared her side of the story as a reaction to that. I would like to know what, exactly, those text messages say, however.

When Clinton cheated on his wife, conservatives pointed out how that's proof of a lack of moral fiber and demonstrates a lack of responsibility. So, if Ms. White's story pans out, will they be equally willing to say the same things of Cain? Only time will tell.

[The_Dude]

Cain also does not dispute giving her (White) financial assistance.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

Do you think Cain has the business experience and acumen to stoke economic improvement in our country?

I don't. Running a government is as much like running a business as driving a Corvette is to driving a Wells Fargo stagecoach.

Businesses have employees that react to the direction of leadership because if they don't, they get fired. A President doesn't have that luxury. He has to deal with a Congress where half the group gains support by counteracting his every move.

To be effective a President must be the alpha male of political animals. He has to be ruthless and clever. He needs to understand how to coerce, prod and promise the moon. He must be perceived as completely above board and yet be conniving and calculating. Sometimes you find that in businessmen, but it isn't what makes them good businesspeople.

[NB2K]

I don't. Running a government is as much like running a business as driving a Corvette is to driving a Wells Fargo stagecoach.

Businesses have employees that react to the direction of leadership because if they don't, they get fired. A President doesn't have that luxury. He has to deal with a Congress where half the group gains support by counteracting his every move.

To be effective a President must be the alpha male of political animals. He has to be ruthless and clever. He needs to understand how to coerce, prod and promise the moon. He must be perceived as completely above board and yet be conniving and calculating. Sometimes you find that in businessmen, but it isn't what makes them good businesspeople.

You oughta write a book.

[Sea Six]

Cain also does not dispute giving her (White) financial assistance.

So what?

Last Christmas I left my waitress (at the restaurant I ate breakfast nearly every day) a Christmas Card with $200 cash in it, because I knew her husband had been injured and unable to work (no workman's comp for his injury).

That doesn't mean I was ****ing her.

[jaxgator]

PROVE IT! :toetap:

You'll be tapping that foot for quite some time I presume. In fact, forever I would imagine.

[The_Dude]

So what?

Last Christmas I left my waitress (at the restaurant I ate breakfast nearly every day) a Christmas Card with $200 cash in it, because I knew her husband had been injured and unable to work (no workman's comp for his injury).

That doesn't mean I was ****ing her.Yes, but I doubt you give continuing financial assistance to strange women over a period of many years. There may be a reason for it. I'm sure that if we're patient, there will be a reasonable explanation, or more will come out. It's pretty hard to hide something that went on for 13 years. If there isn't more evidence, I could believe him.

[Sea Six]

I think that was his point. :cert:

Oh.

You're right. :doh:

[NB2K]

"When did you stop beating your wife?"

[neece]

Had to get off the Cain train as it was constantly going through tunnels.

[Flatbush Harry]

link?

I prefer not to show my real name to most of the crowd here...a few know it. It had to do with a snarky comment in the editorial section of my state's largest paper regarding my vote on a particular issue. As it turns out, I have been invited to speak to an annual meeting about issues and was named, favorably, in e-mail blasts by a few folks to hundreds of thousands of members of my state's retirement and insurance plans, all of them registered voters...to borrow a phrase from Ghostbusters.

Teachable moment: hold your temper and good things sometimes arise when you turn the other cheek. I learned that from some Jewish carpenter some of y'all may have heard about that used to hang out with a baptizer, a hooker and some other riffraff.

:dance: and :cert:

Hyrar

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Are you guys gonna talk politics for the rest of your lives? Y'all need a hobby. :D

[Rotorhead]

Up the Presidential salary to ten mill a year with a bonus for a boost in the economy and reduction in deficit w/o increasing taxes.. Now we have some real candidates with brain power to do the job williing to leave their CEO jobs of major companies.

[Burro (He/Haw)]

Both political parties suck da cawk. HARD. What's gonna end up happening is what happened here in Minnesota. We are gonna get a Jesse Ventura like candidate who ends up getting elected.

[The_Dude]

Both political parties suck da cawk. HARD. What's gonna end up happening is what happened here in Minnesota. We are gonna get a Jesse Ventura like candidate who ends up getting elected.
Idiocracy, a documentary of things yet to come.

[Jeff '79]

Both political parties suck da cawk. HARD. What's gonna end up happening is what happened here in Minnesota. We are gonna get a Jesse Ventura like candidate who ends up getting elected.

I dunno.....Newt is playing it pretty well right now. Just letting everyone else self destruct, and throwing out tid bits of brilliance, along the way, so far......Newt could beat Obama imo.

Harry....You pass out already ?

[Blademaker]

Both political parties suck da cawk. HARD. What's gonna end up happening is what happened here in Minnesota. We are gonna get a Jesse Ventura like candidate who ends up getting elected.

Elephants and Asses, screwing the masses......:seasix:

[jaxgator]

What's gonna end up happening is what happened here in Minnesota. We are gonna get a Jesse Ventura like candidate who ends up getting elected.

That scenario already played itself out in 2008 with the election of "The Chosen One". :rolleyes:

[Joecooool]

Up the Presidential salary to ten mill a year with a bonus for a boost in the economy and reduction in deficit w/o increasing taxes.. Now we have some real candidates with brain power to do the job williing to leave their CEO jobs of major companies.

And publicly funded campaigns.

[Poog]

In theory that could happen.

In reality, it would take a massive and I mean massive movement of the people to get a "third party" person elected.

They system is setup to highly protect the current two parties. :yesnod:

:withstupid:

Sad but true.

I, and pretty much much everyone I know, is truly frightened about the future of this country.

[Flatbush Harry]

Up the Presidential salary to ten mill a year with a bonus for a boost in the economy and reduction in deficit w/o increasing taxes.. Now we have some real candidates with brain power to do the job williing to leave their CEO jobs of major companies.

Just what we need in the WH...Wall Street values, rust belt sophistication.

:shots:

Aarrrggggghhhhh

HytushFlabrar