Frigging little bastards must be banned

[Burnt C6]

Personally I have no problem with this movement. Over the weekend back home in San Antonio we were out eating and there was a couple who had a screaming little bastard. The whole restaurant was looking their way every time the kid let out a yell. The manager finally asked them to hurry up and finish and leave.

What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores.

Read more about restaurants around the country banning kids.

Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

"Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I don’t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.

Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".

Even running errands with toddlers may be off limits. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours and in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.

When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.

Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.

Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?

The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading - Parenting on Shine (http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/the-no-kids-allowed-movement-is-spreading-2516110/)

[VatorMan]

Piss poor parenting brought this about.

[Burnt C6]

Piss poor parenting brought this about.

:iagree:

My kids knew better than to make a scene while we were out to dinner. It would be their last time out.

[Z06David]

My 2 year old is always well behaved when we go anywhere, and I make sure of it.

[VatorMan]

Which was brought about by nosy, busy-body Utopian elites calling nanny government when kids were disciplined and had them removed from their homes.

Wanna get back to good parenting? Get the gov't out of the parents lives so they can do their job and discipline their kids w/out fear of what some nosy, busy-body Utopian elite might do/say to the po-po.

I semi agree with this.

[Iron Chef]

:iagree:

My kids knew better than to make a scene while we were out to dinner. It would be their last time out.

:iagree: X1000

And the ass-whoopin' that followed when they got home would reinforce that message.

Even my kids now can't stand a bratty child.

[Kerrmudgeon]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

[TexasBulldog]

you can't punish your child anymore without fear of being arrested or losing the child.

Once people wake up and stop trying to police parents who are trying to do the right thing, then maybe these kids will have motivation to shut up.

until then its a loss all around.

[joecaver]

I wish we had some child free places around here. I would go out of my way to be sure and use their services.

[TexasBulldog]

I wish we had some child free places around here. I would go out of my way to be sure and use their services.

we have a movie theater that doesn't allow under 6years old and we have another movie theater that has an 18+ section with bar service... no kids allowed... VERY nice sometimes.

JOe

[sxeC6]

I'll prolly get burned as being prejudicial, but here goes. Since the original poster is from San Antonio, I suspect the family in question was of Mexican descent. I have noticed over my years in Tejas that when I'm in malls, stores, or other public places those children seem to be totally undiscipled. I asked a Latino chap I know why this was and his response was that they didn't want to restrict their children's happiness and make them self conscious.

Though, I must say that parental disciple in general has has become lax to the detriment of the children and all who come in contact with them.

[Mike Mercury]

Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".

add the words "bratty" and/or "poorly raised"... and the answer to the reporters question is a big


Yes

[ZipZap]

I refuse to infringe upon somebody's first amendment rights of expression, regardless of age:D

[lander]

I refuse to infringe upon somebody's first amendment rights of expression, regardless of age:D


:nono: They have a right to say it...but they don't have a right to make you listen to it in a private restaurant.

:D

[LATB]

last Saturday evening we went to try a new church...they supposed to have a great Christian Rock group, and we dig Christian Rock...

the place is set up like a ball park...we sat in the "bleachers"...

damn little girl was kicking the back of our seats the ENTIRE time...and had her feet on the back of the chair inches from my wife's head...and never shut up in a child whisper most of the time.

we both turned and gave the "parents" the look, several times...

stupid effin fat assed kid and her fat assed "parents" did not get the clue.

Plus, the pastor was a dick.

we won't be returning. :lol:

btw, come time for the offering...they passed out these plastic 2 gallon buckets...I didn't give them a fukin dime.

I want to give my offering in a golden plate with felt lining, thank you. :D

[Skia]

Piss poor parenting brought this about.:withstupid: We never had an issues with our kids going out to eat. If they started crying one of us took them outside until the issue was solved.

[Mike Mercury]

I want to give my offering in a golden plate with felt lining, thank you. :D

you heathens are picky SOB's :leaving:

[LATB]

you heathens are picky SOB's :leaving:

:lol: :cheers:

[sxeC6]

[QUOTE= I want to give my offering in a golden plate with felt lining, thank you. :D[/QUOTE]



You give a donation? I always figure that the "Lord will provide" :lol:

[Bucwheat]

I would patronize these resturants and yes it is bad parenting.

[C4Fanatic]

:iagree:

My kids knew better than to make a scene while we were out to dinner. It would be their last time out.

:iagree:

The night I was sitting in a restaurant with my 3 kids and my daughter pointed across the restaurant at a mis-behaving kid and said "daddy, she's being bad" I knew I'd done it right. She was about 5 at the time and already knew how to behave in public.

[onedef92]

we dig Christian Rock...

As do we. What group?

[Mike Mercury]

The night I was sitting in a restaurant with my 3 kids and my daughter pointed across the restaurant at a mis-behaving kid and said "daddy, she's being bad" I knew I'd done it right.

:thumbs:

[fartleker]

I'll prolly get burned as being prejudicial, but here goes. Since the original poster is from San Antonio, I suspect the family in question was of Mexican descent. I have noticed over my years in Tejas that when I'm in malls, stores, or other public places those children seem to be totally undiscipled. I asked a Latino chap I know why this was and his response was that they didn't want to restrict their children's happiness and make them self conscious.

Though, I must say that parental disciple in general has has become lax to the detriment of the children and all who come in contact with them.

My wife and I went to one of the nicest restaurants in ABQ a few years ago for our anniversary- one of the prime steakhouses where you pay for sides and all the shit. Got a nice bottle of wine and probably spent a couple hundred on the dinner.

A few tables down from us were two (white) couples, one which had a 2-3 year old. The little girl was running around from table to table, screaming and playing. The mom was playing peek a boo super loud without a concern for anyone else.

The husband, other couple, and wait staff didn't give a shit or say anything. The entire restaurant was looking in disgust and nothing happened.

Bad parenting knows no racial lines. :cheers:

I'm fully in support of child free restaurants and hours. Our first is due in a few months, and there is no farking way we will let her run around like that.

[The_Dude]

Wanna get back to good parenting? Get the gov't out of the parents lives so they can do their job and discipline their kids w/out fear of what some nosy, busy-body Utopian elite might do/say to the po-po.yes, but then there are stories like this:
‘Torture’ in teen’s death
A state worker tells Jeanette Maples’ father that his daughter was murdered and that “it was really horrific”

BY JACK MORAN
The Register-Guard
Appeared in print: Saturday, Dec. 12, 2009, page A1

Anthony Maples hadn’t seen or heard from his daughter in nearly a decade.

But his heart still sank Thursday night, he said, when a state Department of Human Services worker called to tell him that the 16-year-old girl had been killed in Eugene — allegedly by her mother and the woman’s husband.

“She said, ‘I’m sorry to inform you that your daughter’s been murdered’, ” said Maples, a Sacramento resident.

“She didn’t give me many details, but said that it was really horrific,” he said.

Lane County sheriff’s investigators said that they believe that the girl — Jeanette Marie Maples — died after her mother and stepfather abused her.

Medics who responded to a 911 call at the family’s north Eugene home Wednesday night discovered the teen injured and unconscious in a bathtub, officials said.

She died later that night at a local hospital. Her mother, Angela Darlene McAnulty, 41, and step*father, Richard Anthony McAnulty, 40, subsequently were arrested. They both face charges of aggravated murder.

Court documents supporting the charges allege that the teen’s death was caused by “neglect and maltreatment” and occurred “in the course of, or as a result of, intentional maiming and torture.”

Anthony Maples said he and Angela McAnulty — whom he refers to as “Angie” — had three children together in the early 1990s. They never married, he said.

He said he spent part of that decade in and out of prison because of a drug addiction, and that California state officials removed the couple’s children from their home.

He said their two sons — now 17 and 18 — grew up in a foster home. But he said officials granted Angela McAnulty custody of their daughter, and both left the Sacramento Valley in 2000.

Anthony Maples, who said he has cleaned up and now attends college in California, hadn’t spoken with his daughter since then.

“I’ve been trying to contact them for years, and asking my social worker to help me with it, but (Angela McAnulty and Jeanette) didn’t stay in contact with me at all,” he said.

“I am so crushed by this,” Maples said. “I know that I have to accept this as God’s will, but it’s disgusting that this happened to my little angel.”

Sheriff’s investigators on Friday continued to conduct interviews and gather evidence as part of the murder investigation, Capt. Bill Thompson said.

Meanwhile, a spokesman for Leaburg resident Lynn Mc*Anulty — who is Richard McAnulty’s mother and Jeanette Maples’ step-grandmother — issued a statement expressing support for investigators’ work, and asking for privacy.

“We deeply appreciate the effort by the Lane County Sheriff’s Office, Oregon State Police and the Lane County District Attorney’s Office to investigate Jeanette’s death,” said Mark Rothwell, a Springfield resident who said Lynn McAnulty asked him to address the media. Rothwell said he worked for the same trucking company that employed Richard McAnulty.

“Only someone else who has lost a family member can begin to comprehend our family’s pain and sorrow,” Rothwell said on behalf of the family. “Our grief is deepened by the circumstances that surround Jeanette’s death.

“During this difficult time we ask the public and the press to respect the privacy of the family. We’d like to thank everyone for their empathy and prayers and ask everyone to celebrate the life of Jeanette Marie Maples.”

A Bethel School District spokesman said Friday that Maples attended Cascade Middle School in Eugene from early 2006 until June 2008, when she graduated from eighth grade.

At the time of her death, the teen was a home-schooler registered with Lane Education Service District.

Ron Goss, who lives next door to the McAnultys’ rented home on Howard Avenue, said the family kept to themselves. He recalled seeing Maples in her yard with a dog several times.

“I’d wave at her and say ‘Hello,’ but she never said anything back,” Goss said. “I thought she was just shy.”

Goss said he saw Angela Mc*Anulty outside with her two younger children most mornings, but that he hadn’t seen Richard McAnulty since the family moved into the two-bedroom house about four months ago.

A woman who answered Lynn McAnulty’s cell phone on Friday morning — and identified herself as Crystal Floyd — said Richard Mc*Anulty suffered a heart attack in July, and hadn’t been active since then. He had worked seven years as a truck driver for Raider Trucking, a Hesperia, Calif., company, the firm’s president said Thursday.

Sheriff’s Capt. Thompson confirmed that Richard McAnulty had not worked since the heart attack. He said Angela McAnulty was unemployed at the time of her arrest.

Lynn McAnulty said earlier this week that she anonymously called state child welfare officials several times earlier this year to report her suspicions that Maples had been abused in her home.

State Department of Human Services officials are working with Lane County law enforcement to review DHS’ dealings with the McAnulty family “to see if we missed something,” agency spokesman Gene Evans said. Citing the ongoing investigation, Evans would not discuss the extent or type of contact that state officials had with the family.

“Only someone else who has lost a family member can begin to comprehend our family’s pain and sorrow. Our grief is deepened by the circumstances that surround Jeanette’s death.
MARK ROTHWELL

[Mike Mercury]

yes, but then there are stories like this...

that are rare extreme; that no amount of laws would prohibit; that serve no useful purpose when talking about the lack of disciplin of todays 'utes.

[The_Dude]

that are rare extreme; that no amount of laws would prohibit; that serve no useful purpose when talking about the lack of disciplin of todays 'utes.

That one is extreme, but there is much more abuse than just what is reported by the media. CPS does serve a purpose.

[The_Dude]

That's the opposite end of the extreme.

The problem is, gov't either over reacts or under reacts, IMHO. :yesnod:Agreed. They need to focus on real, not perceived, abuse.

[BADRACR1]

:iagree:

My kids knew better than to make a scene while we were out to dinner. It would be their last time out.

And an ass whooping when they got home!

[Me2]

Piss poor parenting brought this about.




Absolutely. Afraid to discipline them in public? Gather up the screaming brats, toss them in the car and beat the hell out of them when you get them home.

[Rotorhead]

you can't punish your child anymore without fear of being arrested or losing the child.

Once people wake up and stop trying to police parents who are trying to do the right thing, then maybe these kids will have motivation to shut up.

until then its a loss all around.

Enough people say that for everyone else to beleive it and then they say it....

Last time I checked, even spanking is still legal.

[SnikPlosskin]

Wow, some real ignorance in this thread.

I wonder how many of you don't have kids.

The idea that an infant or any kid under 4-5 should be judged so harshly or beaten for just being a kid is retarded.

Little kids simply do not have the developmental capacity to understand implied social rules. To apply adult expectations on them is stupid.

The issue (which I believe TxAg mentioned) is the parents. But not the expectation that they can "control" their kids, I.e., stop them from crying or being kids...the real problem is that they are so selfish and/or lazy that they don't remove the child to give other people the simple courtesy.

Each of you was once a screaming, crying, PITA at one time.

Don't blame thie kids. Celebrate their purity.

But tell the parents to handle it appropriately...kicking in the box is allowed.

[Uncle Pervey]

A 3 or 4 year old child raises hell and cries in a restaurant because they are bored, tired and don't want to be there. If your child is whiny in the car then they'll start bitching when you get in the restaurant.
A 4 month old to 2 year old will raise hell because they are hungry, tired or because it is too noisy in restaurant. Have something for them to eat or a bottle if still on it, if they start raising hell take them outside for a while until they calm down.
My oldest grandson was always a very good child in a restaurant. I remember one time we were in a Mexican restaurant, he was about a year old. We gave him a tortilla to gnaw on and he was happy as hell, sitting there eating his tortilla. A kid about his age was a couple tables over screaming his head off, my grandson looked at him with a look on his face like,"WTF is wrong with you?" He never said a peep anytime we took him out to eat.

[FasterTraffic]

The wife and I enjoy going out to restaurants but we sometimes leave the kids with a family member. Our kids are conspicuously well mannered but we appreciate the opportunity to just sit and talk and enjoy our meal without distractions and interruptions. Being a parent is great but we do need an occasional break.

As Thrakk and Uncle Pervey noted, there is an art to being out and about with young (<2) children. They typically have a set schedule; they need to eat at certain times and without fail, they need a nap, etc.

The only time I've ever had a problem was when we kept delaying our departure and were on borrowed time before we ever got to the restaurant. Halfway through dinner, the fuse ran out and our 18-month-old started into a fit. I flagged down the waiter for to-go boxes and the check while the wife took the kid out to the car.

The parents who will allow a child to scream or run around in a restaurant are as big of assholes as the non-parents who think all kids should be banned everywhere.

[high desert]

When our boys were young, we were always complimented on their good behavior. Parenting isn't rocket science, but it does take setting rules and boundaries and adhering to them religiously. Unfortunately, most parents just don't get it.

At Hot August Nights a few years ago, a little tyke was totally out of control. His mom was just sitting there doing nothing. I stepped in front of him and said, "Hey little man, time to settle down...OK?" He was a good boy for the rest of the day 'Mom' looked over at me and gratefully said "thank you."
Why she couldn't have done the same I'll never know. :slap: