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WKMCD
12-30-2009, 07:39am
We're going to be freshening my LS2 L92 headed 403 in January. In the process Shawn at VA Speed will be boring it and putting in Darton sleeves to make it 4.125 bore 427. Richard at WCCH will be reworking his heads I have on the car now.

Shawn and Ed will be taking lots of pics and vids of the process and we'll be adding to a very long thread on my car on LS1tech.


The question is:

Would the peeps here like to see it here? It should be interesting.

Let me know.

Kevin

Lowcash
12-30-2009, 07:43am
:yesnod:

I wouldn't mind reading updates and seeing pics of from the teardown and buildup.

GB Vette
12-30-2009, 07:55am
Do it here and we'll make it a sticky :D

Garb55
12-30-2009, 08:06am
We're going to be freshening my LS2 L92 headed 403 in January. In the process Shawn at VA Speed will be boring it and putting in Darton sleeves to make it 4.125 bore 427. Richard at WCCH will be reworking his heads I have on the car now.

Shawn and Ed will be taking lots of pics and vids of the process and we'll be adding to a very long thread on my car on LS1tech.


The question is:

Would the peeps here like to see it here? It should be interesting.

Let me know.

Kevin

I would.

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 08:12am
Thanks Gary, I'll post up everything here also. There will be pics and vids from picking up the car, tear down, all the machine work and assembly and Ed tuning on the dyno.

Here's a link to the original "Plan B" thread on LS1tech. Over 600 posts and 54k views makes it one of 'techs most popular threads ever.

L92 DynoJet Numbers Plus Plan "B" - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/662314-l92-dynojet-numbers-plus-plan-b.html)

Munch
12-30-2009, 08:48am
Yeah, I'd really like to see it as well.

2ez 2spd
12-30-2009, 09:48am
I'm new here but I came to learn so I would like to see all the info you come up with. then maybe be one day when I'm ready I'll know what to do with mine.

Cobra4B
12-30-2009, 10:43am
Link the tech thread and bump this thread when you have an update :beer:

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 10:44am
Link the tech thread and bump this thread when you have an update :beer:

It will be as additions to this thread.

L92 DynoJet Numbers Plus Plan "B" - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/662314-l92-dynojet-numbers-plus-plan-b.html)

Cobra4B
12-30-2009, 10:48am
Shouldn't this be "Plan Z" or something ;) BTW I got some new golf shoes for Christmas... we need to put them to use this spring!

McLeod
12-30-2009, 02:02pm
This might get interesting.:D

Y2Kvert4me
12-30-2009, 02:28pm
Yes, definitely.

Build threads are always entertaining.


:cheers:

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 03:53pm
Shouldn't this be "Plan Z" or something ;) BTW I got some new golf shoes for Christmas... we need to put them to use this spring!

Plan B v2.08 :willy:

Joan got me a golf cart cover and heater so I'm good as soon as the snow is gone. Speaking of which, I may try to find someplace south of here to play this weekend. My club is still closed. :sad:

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 03:57pm
A copy and paste from the other forum:

The term Gentleman's Cruiser was really my eccentric father's from many years ago. He used it to refer to his Rolls Coupe. I took it to mean an extreme vehicle but ultimately refined and understated. Everything we've done along the way has been an experiment to see what could be done with the L92 heads to make good power. Little tweaks along the way have brought us to 521/480. Not the most - but that was never my intention. It may however be the best 521/480 in driving quality and average power.

It is a wolf in sheep's clothing from the color to the quiet Ti exhaust. So here we have WKMCD's extreme vehicle but ultimately refined and understated.

With VA Speed and WCCH help we're just going to make it a little more extreme but still understated and provide as much information as possible and a little entertainment to this forum along the way.. :D

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/vaspeeddyno4inchtube.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Engine2000320Large.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Front3-4.jpg

Sneaks
12-30-2009, 05:02pm
Meh, not interested....:rubbish:
'Til it's done! :D

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 08:32pm
Meh, not interested....:rubbish:
'Til it's done! :D

In my best soup nazi voice:

No ride for you! :kick:

Sneaks
12-30-2009, 08:37pm
In my best soup nazi voice:

No ride for you! :kick:

:roll:
Nice!

Sneaks
12-30-2009, 08:42pm
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Engine2000320Large.jpg

She's purdy all dressed up. But I've seen her naked, and topless. :D
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z69/sneakelman/kevinsmods013.jpg
:o_o:

WKMCD
12-30-2009, 09:27pm
She's purdy all dressed up. But I've seen her naked, and topless. :D
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z69/sneakelman/kevinsmods013.jpg
:o_o:

Look at those little tiny bores...:dance:

Gotta do something about that. :D

Sneaks
12-31-2009, 06:44am
Look at those little tiny bores...:dance:

Gotta do something about that. :D

:yesnod:

WKMCD
12-31-2009, 09:29am
Looks like Ed and Shawn will pick the car up the weekend of the 9th and 10th according to Ed. :party:

McLeod
12-31-2009, 11:54am
The cruiser will spend another winter down at the beach.:lol:

WKMCD
12-31-2009, 12:33pm
The cruiser will spend another winter down at the beach.:lol:

I'll wave to it as we're flying into San Juan... :D

Sneaks
12-31-2009, 01:02pm
I'll wave to it as we're flying into San Juan... :D

Now, let's talk about that stow away thing I mentioned.......:o_o:

edcmat-l1
01-02-2010, 09:59pm
I'll wave to it as we're flying into San Juan... :D

You live a rough life......:cry:

WKMCD
01-03-2010, 07:17am
You live a rough life......:cry:

Are you still in sunny/warm Florida? :toetap::toetap:

PM'd with Shawn yesterday so he can order up the pistons. We're starting to move on this. :hurray:

Sneaks
01-03-2010, 09:12am
Are you still in sunny/warm Florida? :toetap::toetap:

PM'd with Shawn yesterday so he can order up the pistons. We're starting to move on this. :hurray:

Well, hurry up and get the cruiser picked up, and built. I could use a trip to Virginia Beach to go get it. :D

Lowcash
01-03-2010, 09:25am
Well, hurry up and get the cruiser picked up, and built. I could use a trip to Virginia Beach to go get it. :D

:yesnod:

edcmat-l1
01-03-2010, 12:46pm
Are you still in sunny/warm Florida? :toetap::toetap:

PM'd with Shawn yesterday so he can order up the pistons. We're starting to move on this. :hurray:

Just got home. Stopped on the way last night. The ride from Orlando to SC/NC border was ridiculous. Bumper to bumper for hours.

WKMCD
01-07-2010, 06:11am
I heard from Shawn yesterday. They should be up between 10-11:00am on Sunday if anyone wants to stop by to meet them or say hello.

Coffee and donuts will be served.

edcmat-l1
01-07-2010, 08:07am
Coffee and donuts will be served.

I shoulda been a cop. I'll show up anywhere for a donut! :willy:

wwomanC6
01-07-2010, 08:10am
Donuts! :drool:
Your making me hungry!

Sneaks
01-07-2010, 03:26pm
The wifes birthday is Sunday. Otherwise, I'd be down for the coffee. :o_o:
Too bad they aren't picking it up on Saturday. :leaving:

Lowcash
01-07-2010, 04:21pm
Hmmmm ... wheels turning.

WKMCD
01-07-2010, 05:42pm
Just got off the phone with Ed. He thinks the pistons came in and is going to get Shawn to post some pics.

WKMCD
01-08-2010, 07:45pm
I decided while we're doing this to install an Edelbrock 2 piece timing cover. It allows cam changes without dropping the steering rack and greatly simplifies the process. A friend of mine on the west coast ended up with 2 of them so he made me a great deal on one. I just got it today. It's brand new in the box. With the 4.125 bore I can run any heads if I choose - including LS7 heads. :) I may just want to run a different cam with the L92's on the 427 - who knows.

I'll try to get some pics up in the morning.

Y2Kvert4me
01-08-2010, 08:29pm
Helped a friend earlier this year with a h/c job. He bought a QTP 2pc timing cover, and although it was a really nice machined billet piece, I still cannot see doing a cam swap with just the top half of the cover off.

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll322/vsocks1/headcam/229.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll322/vsocks1/headcam/231.jpg



As you can see, it's impossible to see the crank sprocket (dot) with the lower half of the cover in place.

I guess you could match-mark the chain to the cam sprocket prior to removal, and somehow prop up the chain to insure it never leaves the crank sprocket during the swap...but that still seems awfully risky to me. Just verifying dot-to-dot is a procedure that should be double/triple checked...I can't imagine doing it blind with no means of verification.

And speaking of verification, degreeing the new cam becomes another challenge with the balancer already in place.


Neat idea, but in practice I don't see a 2pc timing cover greatly simplifying the process at all.


:cheers:

WKMCD
01-09-2010, 05:21am
Helped a friend earlier this year with a h/c job. He bought a QTP 2pc timing cover, and although it was a really nice machined billet piece, I still cannot see doing a cam swap with just the top half of the cover off.

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll322/vsocks1/headcam/229.jpg

http://i312.photobucket.com/albums/ll322/vsocks1/headcam/231.jpg



As you can see, it's impossible to see the crank sprocket (dot) with the lower half of the cover in place.

I guess you could match-mark the chain to the cam sprocket prior to removal, and somehow prop up the chain to insure it never leaves the crank sprocket during the swap...but that still seems awfully risky to me. Just verifying dot-to-dot is a procedure that should be double/triple checked...I can't imagine doing it blind with no means of verification.

And speaking of verification, degreeing the new cam becomes another challenge with the balancer already in place.


Neat idea, but in practice I don't see a 2pc timing cover greatly simplifying the process at all.


:cheers:

Mark the cam gear 180 degrees from the dot so you can keep track of the dot. Use a straight edge through the center of the cam. After that, a degree wheel will get you spot on. We'll be using a Cloyes adjustable gear set on the build.

Thanks for the pics.

Y2Kvert4me
01-09-2010, 06:56am
You make it sound so easy. :D (btw, the above pictured is a Cloyes hexajust set with IRL chain).


Now, if I may ask, what do you fasten the degree wheel to? :confused5:
Remember, the balancer will still be there, bolted up tight.

Normally, I could see the possibility of making some sort of spacer setup to locate the degree wheel outboard of the balancer, but that would still require removing the bolt, which isn't possible with the rack in place.

WKMCD
01-09-2010, 10:05am
You make it sound so easy. :D (btw, the above pictured is a Cloyes hexajust set with IRL chain).


Now, if I may ask, what do you fasten the degree wheel to? :confused5:
Remember, the balancer will still be there, bolted up tight.

Normally, I could see the possibility of making some sort of spacer setup to locate the degree wheel outboard of the balancer, but that would still require removing the bolt, which isn't possible with the rack in place.

Cut out the center of the degree wheel and two-sided tape it to the balancer. I haven't done it before but it seems doable.

WKMCD
01-09-2010, 10:07am
Just heard from Ed. We've entered the 24 hour countdown for pickup. :hurray:

Sneaks
01-09-2010, 08:10pm
Sweet! :cheers:

WKMCD
01-09-2010, 08:18pm
Sweet! :cheers:

Fired up the heater today and adjusted the coilovers. One click on the front and two on the back. Should be better in high speed corners now. :D

Sneaks
01-09-2010, 10:36pm
Fired up the heater today and adjusted the coilovers. One click on the front and two on the back. Should be better in high speed corners now. :D

:drivingskid:

WKMCD
01-10-2010, 07:27am
:goodmorning: Just spoke with Ed. They are on their way...

Starting to happen now.

:party::party::party:

Sneaks
01-10-2010, 10:33am
:goodmorning: Just spoke with Ed. They are on their way...

Starting to happen now.

:party::party::party:

He's starting to get a lil bit excited. :o_o:

Munch
01-10-2010, 12:20pm
Wont be long now! Make sure to let us know when you pick it up and stop by the barn so us locals can come see this baby in person.

WKMCD
01-10-2010, 01:00pm
Shawn and Ed made the drive up from VA Beach this morning to pick up the cruiser. Damon (MCLEOD) came by to lend moral support. Next time I see it it will have a 427 under the hood.

Thanks guys.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Jan10loading3.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Jan10Shawnloading2.jpg

At least it was sunny.. :)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Jan10ontrailer.jpg

On it's way to winter in Va Beach - again. :yesnod:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/IMGP2089.jpg

McLeod
01-10-2010, 01:23pm
I had to stop by to say goodbye to the "cruiser".:seeya:

Sneaks
01-10-2010, 02:29pm
I can't wait to say hello to the new "cruiser". :thumbs:
What's the timeframe of the build Kev?

edcmat-l1
01-10-2010, 03:58pm
What's the timeframe of the build Kev?

I would expect some where around 30 days. We have to get it apart and ship the heads off to the west coast (one week each way). Richard has some plans for them. :dance:

Sneaks
01-10-2010, 05:16pm
I would expect some where around 30 days. We have to get it apart and ship the heads off to the west coast (one week each way). Richard has some plans for them. :dance:

Yeah, I heard there was some plans for the heads. Gonna be one helluva go-kart when it's all buttoned back up. :D
:thumbs:

WKMCD
01-11-2010, 05:37am
Anyone need any stumps pulled??? :D

Sneaks
01-11-2010, 06:45am
Anyone need any stumps pulled??? :D

Just cause you can't hook up, don't go throwin' big ol mudder tires on the Cruiser Kevin. :roll:

WKMCD
01-11-2010, 08:34am
Just cause you can't hook up, don't go throwin' big ol mudder tires on the Cruiser Kevin. :roll:

Think - Dirt Drags... :drivingskid:

Sneaks
01-11-2010, 08:37am
Think - Dirt Drags... :drivingskid:

:rofl::rofl:

WKMCD
01-11-2010, 01:12pm
I just had a long talk with Richard at West Coast Cylinder Heads (proheads.com). He's been working the last few weeks on more port programming and chamber design. He says he's got the intakes up to 380CFM and that the numbers will be right in with the LS7 heads. He's also bumping the intake valve up to 2.200 inches - HUGE!!! He's really excited about being involved again with this ongoing project - and so am I.

Sneaks
01-11-2010, 02:35pm
I just had a long talk with Richard at West Coast Cylinder Heads (proheads.com). He's been working the last few weeks on more port programming and chamber design. He says he's got the intakes up to 380CFM and that the numbers will be right in with the LS7 heads. He's also bumping the intake valve up to 2.200 inches - HUGE!!! He's really excited about being involved again with this ongoing project - and so am I.

2.2 intakes?! Holy snikeys! :o_o:

WKMCD
01-11-2010, 04:12pm
Ed just emailed me the last pull on the 403. 516/471. Still 400RWT at 2k RPM. I'm sure he could tweak the tune for todays conditions and get it right back up to 521/480 it was last spring. The build has always been extremely consistent on two seperate DJ's that do read very close to each other.

Oh well, now that we have a baseline - Onwards and upwards!

Peter Pan
01-11-2010, 04:51pm
How did I miss this thread, must of had my head in the sand. I will be looking forward to updates, I bet come this March my beast is going to need a new motor, and a 427 sounds sweethttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/rockon.gif

WKMCD
01-11-2010, 05:27pm
How did I miss this thread, must of had my head in the sand. I will be looking forward to updates, I bet come this March my beast is going to need a new motor, and a 427 sounds sweethttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/rockon.gif

Stay tuned! This is going to be interesting.

New motor for you = >1000RWHP :o_o:

Sneaks
01-12-2010, 06:49am
Ed just emailed me the last pull on the 403. 516/471. Still 400RWT at 2k RPM. I'm sure he could tweak the tune for todays conditions and get it right back up to 521/480 it was last spring. The build has always been extremely consistent on two seperate DJ's that do read very close to each other.

Oh well, now that we have a baseline - Onwards and upwards!
Get it back up 521/480? You're only talking 5/9 Kevin. That small of a change could be due to some funky gas in the tank or something. Those are dam good numbers for pulls made almost a year apart. I wouldn't change a thing. :slap:
On second thought, since they got it anyway, you may as well have 'em punch it out, maybe do a little head work, sleeve the block........ :D
:roll:

WKMCD
01-12-2010, 08:14am
Get it back up 521/480? You're only talking 5/9 Kevin. That small of a change could be due to some funky gas in the tank or something. Those are dam good numbers for pulls made almost a year apart. I wouldn't change a thing. :slap:
On second thought, since they got it anyway, you may as well have 'em punch it out, maybe do a little head work, sleeve the block........ :D
:roll:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'm thinking 550/510 - maybe. We'll just have to wait and see.

Sneaks
01-12-2010, 08:17am
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'm thinking 550/510 - maybe. We'll just have to wait and see.

I'm thinking closer to 575/525. I think we should get a pool going for the final numbers. :D

WKMCD
01-12-2010, 08:57am
I'm thinking closer to 575/525. I think we should get a pool going for the final numbers. :D

That would be nice but we're still dealing with the limitations of the L76 intake. BTW: Shawn has some pics that he's emailing me for posting. I'll get them up as soon as he sends them.

Peter Pan
01-12-2010, 09:52am
Stay tuned! This is going to be interesting.

New motor for you = >1000RWHP :o_o:

That is a large number, looking at a sleved LS2 with big cubes to accept LS7 style heads and see what it does at first with my DS1C and looking forward to your progress on your setuphttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/icon_thumright.gif

WKMCD
01-12-2010, 09:58am
That is a large number, looking at a sleved LS2 with big cubes to accept LS7 style heads and see what it does at first with my DS1C and looking forward to your progress on your setuphttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/icon_thumright.gif

My thinking exactly with the sleeved 4.125 bore. There is a new GMPP LS7 head that looks like a pretty good deal. My bud Phil Thomas runs the ET LS7 heads on his LSX Mustang. He's up around 2200-2400RWHP. :o_o:

Sneaks
01-12-2010, 03:44pm
That would be nice but we're still dealing with the limitations of the L76 intake. BTW: Shawn has some pics that he's emailing me for posting. I'll get them up as soon as he sends them.

I thought that intake flowed enough numbers to support up to 600 horses? Am I mistaken?

edcmat-l1
01-12-2010, 03:54pm
I thought that intake flowed enough numbers to support up to 600 horses? Am I mistaken?

600 flywheel HP with ease. We've made 540rwhp with a reasonably mild cammed 416 in a Goat. Not Baahahahahad! LOL. I keel myself.....:rofl:

WKMCD
01-12-2010, 04:04pm
600 flywheel HP with ease. We've made 540rwhp with a reasonably mild cammed 416 in a Goat. Not Baahahahahad! LOL. I keel myself.....:rofl:

Pics or STFU! :beat: :seeya: :)

Sneaks
01-12-2010, 04:22pm
600 flywheel HP with ease. We've made 540rwhp with a reasonably mild cammed 416 in a Goat. Not Baahahahahad! LOL. I keel myself.....:rofl:

Oh, that's funny sheit right there!
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z69/sneakelman/sweetdaddyD.jpg

WKMCD
01-12-2010, 04:27pm
600 flywheel HP with ease. We've made 540rwhp with a reasonably mild cammed 416 in a Goat. Not Baahahahahad! LOL. I keel myself.....:rofl:

Don't get too fond of those goats.

Man's sex with goat | The Sun |News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article145635.ece)

Sneaks
01-12-2010, 04:32pm
Don't get too fond of those goats.

Man's sex with goat | The Sun |News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article145635.ece)

Dammit Kev! I just spit coffee all over the glasstop table. :roll:
Where's that darn Windex.....:leaving:

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 05:41am
Shawn sent some pics last night. The drive train is out and dissasembly begins.

The always photogenic Ed.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10003EDINCAR.jpg

Doing one last baseline pull on the 403. They use an in-ground DynoJet - also known as the "Heartbreaker". The numbers were down less than 2% of last spring. No adjustments of any kind were made. It's always been extremely consistent.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10002DYNOPULL.jpg

Next it's up on the lift. A keen eye will spot the LG GT2 coilovers and PFADT sway bars.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10004ONLIFT.jpg

Everything unbolted and unplugged and the car is raised off the drive train.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10011.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10014.jpg

I run an ECS tranny brace with an RPM 3.90 rear.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10010DRIVETRAINOUT.jpg

I change the oil very frequently - everytime I have the motor out.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10015DRAININGOIL.jpg

So long to the 403.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/01-12-10020.jpg


Shawn will be sending more pics of the dissasembly, parts for the new build, machine work and assembly. We'll post the progress and build results all the way until I pick it up with the 427.

Sneaks
01-13-2010, 06:32am
Hey, I know those shocks and sways.....intimately! :D
Didn't take them long to pull the drivetrain. :thumbs:

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 07:00am
Hey, I know those shocks and sways.....intimately! :D
Didn't take them long to pull the drivetrain. :thumbs:

I think they've done it before. :)

edcmat-l1
01-13-2010, 07:13am
I think they've done it before. :)

Twice.........

Sneaks
01-13-2010, 07:26am
I think they've done it before. :)

Twice.........

Then there you go. They had your bolts all numbered. :roll:

edcmat-l1
01-13-2010, 02:20pm
Then there you go. They had your bolts all numbered. :roll:

What bolts? Last time we had it apart, we put it back together with velcro! :lolsmile:

This time we're gonna step it up a notch. ZIPPERS!! :rofl:

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 02:31pm
What bolts? Last time we had it apart, we put it back together with velcro! :lolsmile:

This time we're gonna step it up a notch. ZIPPERS!! :rofl:

Where do you think they got the expression - "Button things up" ?:p

Sneaks
01-13-2010, 03:32pm
Zippers!! :roll:

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 03:59pm
Shawn has the motor pulled down and PM'd me.

A couple things,measured your bores smallest part of the smallest bore is 4.0050

largest part of the largest bore is 4.0085-that's .0035 difference.Some bore had as much as .0025 taper and out of round-pretty much like every other SDxx engine.The pistons were 4.0005-so you had as much as .008 piston to wall clearance.
I'll send you some picks tonight but you can see where the main caps were walking around due to the stock main bolts.

It sounds bad but it demonstrates to me the Shawn will have it right when I get it back.

No wonder it didn't make any power. :toetap:

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 07:33pm
All broken down:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engineupsidedown.jpg

Looks like it was burning some oil after all.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginerightsideupheadsoff.jpg

Pistons and rods out.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginewcrank.jpg

You can see where all of the main caps were walking with stock bolts. For some reason I thought I had ARP mains.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap2.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap3-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap4.jpg

16-18k on this LS2 chain. Being replaced with a Cloyes adjustable setup.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/timingchain1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/timingchain2.jpg

Bare block ready for some serious machine work.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/bareblock.jpg

Shawn @ Va Speed
01-13-2010, 07:44pm
All broken down:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engineupsidedown.jpg

Looks like it was burning some oil after all.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginerightsideupheadsoff.jpg

Pistons and rods out.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginewcrank.jpg

You can see where all of the main caps were walking with stock bolts. For some reason I thought I had ARP mains.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap2.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap3-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/maincap4.jpg

16-18k on this LS2 chain. Being replaced with a Cloyes adjustable setup.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/timingchain1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/timingchain2.jpg

Bare block ready for some serious machine work.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/bareblock.jpg

good looking finger

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 07:51pm
good looking finger

I hate to think where that finger has been. :rofl:

Great pics BTW

Shawn @ Va Speed
01-13-2010, 07:56pm
I hate to think where that finger has been. :rofl:

Great pics BTW

I actually love thinking about where it's been:)

WKMCD
01-13-2010, 07:58pm
I actually love thinking about where it's been:)

:rofl:

Cobra4B
01-14-2010, 09:46am
Why would the main caps be "walking" around even with stock rod-bolts? These motors have 6-bolt mains and are quite strong vs. most other motor setups out there. Just curious... also, what in those pictures shows evidence of movement?

Nice work so far... VaSpeed guys just left you front desk guy a message for a quote on a catback swap on a 2003 vert... or just removing the OEM pipes.

Shawn @ Va Speed
01-14-2010, 08:33pm
Why would the main caps be "walking" around even with stock rod-bolts? These motors have 6-bolt mains and are quite strong vs. most other motor setups out there. Just curious... also, what in those pictures shows evidence of movement?

Nice work so far... VaSpeed guys just left you front desk guy a message for a quote on a catback swap on a 2003 vert... or just removing the OEM pipes.

While they may have 6 bolts holding the main caps,only 4 are doing anything and they are small.You figure these fasteners were designed to handle 400hp a lighter rotating asy and 6200rpm.Add 50% more power,5% more rotating weight and 10% more rpm,the fasteners are just not happy.This is the main reason the ls7 main caps are doweled.

WKMCD
01-15-2010, 06:10am
Shawn put some incredible pics and comments on machining the liners on ls1tech.com. I hope he puts them up here also.

L92 DynoJet Numbers Plus Plan "B" - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/662314-l92-dynojet-numbers-plus-plan-b.html)

Cobra4B
01-15-2010, 07:41am
While they may have 6 bolts holding the main caps,only 4 are doing anything and they are small.You figure these fasteners were designed to handle 400hp a lighter rotating asy and 6200rpm.Add 50% more power,5% more rotating weight and 10% more rpm,the fasteners are just not happy.This is the main reason the ls7 main caps are doweled.
That's a logical explanation... didn't realize the rotating assembly was heavier. What markings denote they were moving around vs. a normal machining mark?

Sneaks
01-15-2010, 01:36pm
That's a logical explanation... didn't realize the rotating assembly was heavier. What markings denote they were moving around vs. a normal machining mark?

Normal machining marks only go in one direction. If you look at the pics closely, you can see several places where there are marks that go across the grain of the machining process marks. That's an indication of "walking". The cap is moving side to side, or forward and backward.
At least that's what my "shade tree" eye is seeing.
:cheers:

Shawn @ Va Speed
01-15-2010, 07:47pm
Here are some pics of the sleeve machining and installation process.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10025.jpg

first thing is the block setup in the cnc-here the probe is finding the crankshaft center line


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10026.jpg

now we find the camshaft centerline-this way we ensure the bores and decks are exactly 45 deg from the camshaft to crankshaft centerline


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10028.jpg

now we probe the bore locations to determine the location of the bores


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10030.jpg

now we probe the decks in 6 locations on each bank-this tells us the height and straightness of the decks


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10034.jpg

here is a report of the locations of the bores and the deck heights-the x locations in parenthesis are the blueprint locations the one beside them are actual.All y locations should be zero


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10035.jpg

here we are rough boring-this will get us to within .020 of the actual size


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10037.jpg

block after rough boring


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10039.jpg

couple shavings underneath


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10040.jpg

finish boring-we need to be within .0002 when finish boring-that's 2 ten thousanth's of an inch.Accuracy is really the key here-if not bored perfectly-you can crack the block when installing the sleeve or you can have a loose sleeve.There are not too many machines out there that can hold this accuracy-we are very fortunate to have one.


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10042.jpg

bores ready for sleeves


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10043.jpg

sleeves installed


http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh190/twinturboz28camaro/01-14-10045.jpg

ready for final machining

WKMCD
01-15-2010, 08:17pm
Great pics and writeup. I was getting tired of those little 4 inch bores anyways. :above:

Sneaks
01-16-2010, 06:07am
Great looking work. :thumbs:

WKMCD
01-20-2010, 08:53am
This from Richard at West Coast Cylinder Heads - proheads.com. We're sending the heads back to Richard for a little more work. :D

Shawn. This is a really nice presentation of the precision machining required for proper sleeving and block prep. The final result is a solid foundation for a performance build. Thanks for taking the time to show the step by step process.
Kevin is doing a great job keeping pace with the changing demand for larger displacement engines and spotlighting the technological progress of building a potent street machine. His decision to stick with the L92 heads will help demonstrate the true power potential of this mass produced part. It's truly an impressive production design.

Nice work Kevin

Richard

Sneaks
01-20-2010, 12:10pm
Now, let's see what they can do about increasing the flow numbers on those L92's. :yesnod:

WKMCD
01-21-2010, 06:02pm
The heads are on their way to Richard at WCCH. New CNC program and 2.20 intake valve. I've been running stock L92 vales all this time with no problems but we're going to upgrade the exhaust to stainless also while we're at it.

That is all. :D

Sneaks
01-21-2010, 08:35pm
Tell 'em to hurry up. I wanna see those numbers man! :toetap:
:dance:

WKMCD
01-22-2010, 05:25pm
We didn't get these over here.

Block all blueprinted and decked to .0001 tolerance.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Deckedblock1.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/deckedblock2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/deckedblock3.jpg

WKMCD
01-22-2010, 09:34pm
Shawn put up some more pics. All captions are from Shawn at VA Speed.

In the hone with torque plate installed

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing1.jpg

Here's a picture of the diamond hone stones.These last much longer than the old vitrified stones-they also make a cleaner cut and less tearout.The other benefit is less honing pressure which keeps rounder bores for much better ring seal

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing2.jpg

Here we are honing.I try to keep the bores within .0001'' of roundness and taper

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing3.jpg

Here's a screenshot of the readout on the hone.The image to the right is an exaggerated image of the bore,top to bottom

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing4.jpg

After cleaning the block,here we are in the build room,ready to start measuring and assembly

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing5.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing6.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing7.jpg

Sneaks
01-23-2010, 12:42am
Shawn put up some more pics. All captions are from Shawn at VA Speed.

In the hone with torque plate installed

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing1.jpg

Here's a picture of the diamond hone stones.These last much longer than the old vitrified stones-they also make a cleaner cut and less tearout.The other benefit is less honing pressure which keeps rounder bores for much better ring seal

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing2.jpg

Here we are honing.I try to keep the bores within .0001'' of roundness and taper

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing3.jpg

Here's a screenshot of the readout on the hone.The image to the right is an exaggerated image of the bore,top to bottom

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing4.jpg

After cleaning the block,here we are in the build room,ready to start measuring and assembly

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing5.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing6.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/honing7.jpg
Them boys have some dam nice toys! Posting this from the new blackberry8530.
Nice phone, lots to learn though. :thumbs:

Peter Pan
01-27-2010, 08:55pm
Kevin, your block looks really good, ship it to me and it will go good behind some boost:D

WKMCD
01-28-2010, 06:26am
Kevin, your block looks really good, ship it to me and it will go good behind some boost:D

Don't worry Steve. It's going to get some good use - picking up the groceries and carrying my sticks up to the clubhouse. :lolsmile:

Those Darton sleeves will handle a lot of boost. :D

Garb55
01-28-2010, 05:30pm
We didn't get these over here.

Block all blueprinted and decked to .0001 tolerance.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Deckedblock1.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/deckedblock2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/deckedblock3.jpg

:thumbsup::o_o::yesnod::o_o:
Great Work!

WKMCD
01-28-2010, 05:31pm
A little update:

Richard has the heads and is checking them over. He will be running his new program on the heads and reports 380CFM on the intake with the 2.20 intake valve. We're also replacing the stock L92 exhaust with some nice stainless valves which should flow a little better themselves.

Ed reports that the engine is going together. Crank was in good shape. A little polishing and it's in the block. Pistons and rods ready to go in. We did talk about some cam ideas pending the results of the current cam. It will be tested on the engine dyno so changing the cam is no big deal if we go that way.

Sneaks
01-29-2010, 12:11am
A little update:

Richard has the heads and is checking them over. He will be running his new program on the heads and reports 380CFM on the intake with the 2.20 intake valve. We're also replacing the stock L92 exhaust with some nice stainless valves which should flow a little better themselves.

Ed reports that the engine is going together. Crank was in good shape. A little polishing and it's in the block. Pistons and rods ready to go in. We did talk about some cam ideas pending the results of the current cam. It will be tested on the engine dyno so changing the cam is no big deal if we go that way.

Won't be much longer now Kevin.

Sneaks
01-29-2010, 12:15am
Don't worry Steve. It's going to get some good use - picking up the groceries and carrying my sticks up to the clubhouse. :lolsmile:

Those Darton sleeves will handle a lot of boost. :D

Be one dam fast grocery trip

Peter Pan
02-02-2010, 11:16am
Don't worry Steve. It's going to get some good use - picking up the groceries and carrying my sticks up to the clubhouse. :lolsmile:

Those Darton sleeves will handle a lot of boost. :D

Kevin, I have been really thinking my next boosted platform will be sleeved, I think a 427 with large deck heads for big boost will work. Your setup with the L92 heads will be Sick on N/A, will need a vid to hear the huge cam that you will be able to run:yesnod:

Garb55
02-02-2010, 07:20pm
Kevin, I have been really thinking my next boosted platform will be sleeved, I think a 427 with large deck heads for big boost will work. Your setup with the L92 heads will be Sick on N/A, will need a vid to hear the huge cam that you will be able to run:yesnod:

"will need a vid to hear the huge cam that you will be able to run"
:iagree::above:

edcmat-l1
02-03-2010, 07:30am
Kevin, I have been really thinking my next boosted platform will be sleeved, I think a 427 with large deck heads for big boost will work. Your setup with the L92 heads will be Sick on N/A, will need a vid to hear the huge cam that you will be able to run:yesnod:

Don't think the "gentleman's cruiser" will be seeing a huge cam. :nono:

Peter Pan
02-03-2010, 10:37am
Don't think the "gentleman's cruiser" will be seeing a huge cam. :nono:

Large displacements call for a large heart beat:D

WKMCD
02-07-2010, 09:05am
Hey peeps,

We've finished a great cruise but now we can't get home until Tuesday because of the snow in NoVa.

Oh well, we've booked at the Hilton in the beach in San Juan, Thank goodness we got trip insurance.

Sneaks
02-07-2010, 02:18pm
Hey peeps,

We've finished a great cruise but now we can't get home until Tuesday because of the snow in NoVa.

Oh well, we've booked at the Hilton in the beach in San Juan, Thank goodness we got trip insurance.

At this point and time, I officially hate you, and will continue to do so until you return and lay your tanned, sun soaked ass in the snow. :leaving:

:D

WKMCD
02-07-2010, 05:34pm
At this point and time, I officially hate you, and will continue to do so until you return and lay your tanned, sun soaked ass in the snow. :leaving:

:D

:lolsmile:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/IMGP2150.jpg

Sneaks
02-08-2010, 06:51am
You must now dive headfirst into the first snowbank you see to atone......:leaving:

McLeod
02-08-2010, 07:20am
Now I know how the other half lives.:beat:

WKMCD
02-08-2010, 11:38am
Now I know how the other half lives.:beat:

You should see how the other half of the other half is living. :)

Cobra4B
02-08-2010, 11:50am
:lolsmile:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/IMGP2150.jpg
Hmmm.... is this why you didn't let me meet Joan when I spent the night on my way up to PA? The pics of your kids really show no maternal resemblance :willy:

WKMCD
02-08-2010, 12:08pm
Hmmm.... is this why you didn't let me meet Joan when I spent the night on my way up to PA? The pics of your kids really show no maternal resemblance :willy:

:kick: :lolsmile:

I met him at Orient Beach in St Martin. He was pimping his CD's. Actually very good and I bought one.

Mrs. WKMCD will remain a mystery woman as she was taking the pic.

WKMCD
02-08-2010, 12:32pm
There is a bunch more pics over on tech. I'll move them here when we get home tomorrow.

L92 DynoJet Numbers Plus Plan "B" - Page 37 - LS1TECH (http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iv-internal-engine/662314-l92-dynojet-numbers-plus-plan-b-37.html)

edcmat-l1
02-08-2010, 03:04pm
He was pimping his CD's. Actually very good and I bought one.


Is that what they call that stuff now? CDs? Formerly known as ganja? :rofl:

Sneaks
02-08-2010, 03:53pm
Is that what they call that stuff now? CDs? Formerly known as ganja? :rofl:

Yah mon, CD's. Ju know "cannibas dopus" mon. :o_o:
:lolsmile:

WKMCD
02-08-2010, 05:46pm
I did pickup some herbs and spices..:leaving:

Crap!! We've got a flight into Miami tommorow morning and then a flight out to Dulles that lands at 2:25. Looks like we'll be racing the next freakin snow storm...

wwomanC6
02-09-2010, 02:10pm
I did pickup some herbs and spices..:leaving:

Crap!! We've got a flight into Miami tommorow morning and then a flight out to Dulles that lands at 2:25. Looks like we'll be racing the next freakin snow storm...

Let us know when ya make it home safe. Sounds like you had a great time! A few Bright, Sunny Vacation Pics for those of us stuck in the cool temps would be nice to! Just to help all of us with our visions & dreams of spring and summer.:D :cheers:

WKMCD
02-09-2010, 03:59pm
We just got home. All flights after ours were cancelled.

DAMN! It's cold and white here...

McLeod
02-09-2010, 06:52pm
We just got home. All flights after ours were cancelled.

DAMN! It's cold and white here...

It's a ***** ain't it. :seeya:

Sneaks
02-10-2010, 06:54am
We just got home. All flights after ours were cancelled.

DAMN! It's cold and white here...

Pics of your azz buried headfirst in snowbank? :toetap:

Peter Pan
02-11-2010, 10:17am
Glad you enjoyed your vacation and got home in time for round two of the snow, only rain and 40s here in San Antonio:hurray:

WKMCD
02-11-2010, 11:44am
Just spoke with Shawn. He's got some pretty cool ideas for the build. :rasta:

We'll talk more about that later. :yesnod:

WKMCD
02-12-2010, 05:48am
Finally got time to update this thread. A lot is already done. Again, captions from Shawn at VA Speed.

Crank is in.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/crankinstalled01-27-10001-1.jpg

Degreeing the cam-every cam installed at Virginia Speed get checked on the Cam Pro Plus to verify it's made correctly and every cam get degreed in.There is no guessing.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/camdegree01-30-10001.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/camdegree201-30-10002.jpg

Want to thank Edelbrock for making a two piece cover that fits nothing.After an hour of milling and grinding i got it to fit.Thank god we didn't have a double roller chain on it.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/timingcover01-30-10003.jpg

We tig weld the reluctor wheels on to eliminate the wheel spinning on the crank and creating problems

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/reluctorweld01-30-10005.jpg

Piston at BDC. The extra length of the sleeves help support the pistons here.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/pistonskirt01-30-10011.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engine101-30-10004.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engine201-30-10006.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engine301-30-10008.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/engine401-30-10012.jpg

WKMCD
02-12-2010, 05:55am
The heads arrived from WCCH yesterday. Both Richard and Shawn checked the PAC 1521 springs and both couldn't believe what great shape they are in. Almost like new specs. Great springs and we're reusing them.

Captions still by Shawn at VA Speed.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/Head102-11-10007.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/head202-11-10006.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/head302-11-10005.jpg

Checking piston to valve clearance.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/head402-11-10004.jpg

Just about ready for the engine dyno.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/ready4dyno02-11-10009.jpg

Sneaks
02-12-2010, 06:32am
It's looking great! Getting close to finding out the magic numbers. :dance:
Now, back to more important matters.....where's the pics of you buried in the snow? :toetap:

WKMCD
02-12-2010, 06:48am
It's looking great! Getting close to finding out the magic numbers. :dance:
Now, back to more important matters.....where's the pics of you buried in the snow? :toetap:

Shawn thinks it may get the first engine dyno run in the next few days so maybe mid-week we'll know something. I told Shawn that he's welcome to try one of his cams but that I wanted to try the current cam first so we have a baseline. Ed's picking up the Z06 torque tube, tranny and diff this weekend and will be putting my hardened long shaft and ECS brace on that setup. He's also going to check the TT bushings.

Peter Pan
02-12-2010, 09:32am
Kevin great progress and I like the sleeved option, looks like what I need to do for my next boost buildhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/Thumbsup-1.jpg

WKMCD
02-12-2010, 10:32am
Kevin great progress and I like the sleeved option, looks like what I need to do for my next boost buildhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/Thumbsup-1.jpg

Steve,

The liners are super strong and much harder than the factory sleeves. They hold their shape much better for improved sealing. They also wear much better than the stockers. The extra length means better piston support at BDC.

Shawn said everything else in the engine will wear out 5 times before the liners do so I guess I'm good for a couple of seasons. :rofl:

WKMCD
02-13-2010, 07:23am
PAC 1521 springs!!!

Both Shawn and Richard checked the springs that I've been running for the past 6-7k miles - PAC 1521's. These are nitrited for longer life and I believe it. The springs checked out within 5 lbs. of their new specs. Pretty amazing running with .660 lift. Needless to day, they're still in the heads. They are expensive but worth it.
__________________

Cobra4B
02-13-2010, 03:13pm
I didnt come in here to hear about your hardened long shaft... disgusting.

WKMCD
02-13-2010, 04:09pm
I didnt come in here to hear about your hardened long shaft... disgusting.

I knew if let you sleep over you wouldn't respect me in the morning. I feel so used. :sissy:

WKMCD
02-14-2010, 08:32am
Richard at WCCH will be sending me a flow sheet for the Stage 3 L92 heads but I found this from another post by Richard.

We now have a Stage 3 intake port program that has a flow peak of 380cfm @.700" lift. At .650" the flow is 374cfm. We didn't deliberately engineer the Stage 3 to peak at .700" rather we were more concerned with flow in the .200"-.650" range. A goal I'm satisfied we reached.

Should be interesting.

WKMCD
02-14-2010, 12:38pm
Got some flow numbers for the Stage 3 L92/LS3 heads from Richard at West Coast Cylinder Heads (proheads.com)

Damn Richard,

These look like LS7 numbers...:D

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/L92stage3intflowchart.jpg

Here is the difference in the WCCH Stage 2 heads I was running with the 403 and the Stage 3 heads for the 427.
Got some flow numbers for the Stage 3 L92/LS3 heads from Richard at West Coast Cylinder Heads (proheads.com)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/L92stage3intvsstg2flowchart.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/L92exhportflowchart.jpg

Peter Pan
02-15-2010, 10:37am
:above:Impressive flow numbers and this will really be a breather that screams for FI, I am following there thread now on the other forum in the FI section as they are building a stroker for 1500 hp:hurray:

WKMCD
02-15-2010, 11:08am
Flow Charts for my actual heads from Richard. Nice increase from Stage 2 to Stage 3.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/FlowScan2.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/FlowScan1jpeg.jpg

McLeod
02-15-2010, 11:26am
Looks like you'll have more power in the mid range.

WKMCD
02-15-2010, 11:33am
Looks like you'll have more power in the mid range.

Oh no!!! Not more power.....

What will I do with more power... :willy::willy::o_o::D

Peter Pan
02-15-2010, 11:42am
Oh no!!! Not more power.....

What will I do with more power... :willy::willy::o_o::D

I like your flow charts and more is never enough, I have my mechanic looking at the thread over on the other forum as we were looking at another vendor and he likes the initial look at the setup VA is doing on the 1500 hp build up, I told him about yours and it is looking like the same style setup with more compression for some Sick NA power:hurray:

WKMCD
02-15-2010, 11:52am
I like your flow charts and more is never enough, I have my mechanic looking at the thread over on the other forum as we were looking at another vendor and he likes the initial look at the setup VA is doing on the 1500 hp build up, I told him about yours and it is looking like the same style setup with more compression for some Sick NA power:hurray:

What can I say..everyone wants to be like Kevin.....:dance:

Sneaks
02-15-2010, 03:07pm
Oh no!!! Not more power.....

What will I do with more power... :willy::willy::o_o::D

Those are some serious numbers Kevin.
My crystal ball foresees tubs and flares in your future. :o_o:

Sneaks
02-15-2010, 03:07pm
What can I say..everyone wants to be like Kevin.....:dance:

Old and crippled? :dance: :o_o:
:D

WKMCD
02-15-2010, 05:00pm
Old and crippled? :dance: :o_o:
:D

With the fastest wheelchair in town... :rofl:

Sneaks
02-15-2010, 08:51pm
With the fastest wheelchair in town... :rofl:

:roll::roll:
:drivingskid:

WKMCD
02-18-2010, 08:25am
McLeod, Sneaks and I are going down to VA Speed on Saturday to check things out and visit. We'll be there around noon if anyone wants to stop by and say "hey".

Peter Pan
02-18-2010, 09:56am
Get us some new photos of the progress:D

WKMCD
02-18-2010, 11:02am
Get us some new photos of the progress:D

Oh Ed/Shawn...:)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/threadworthlesswithoutpics.gif

Peter Pan
02-18-2010, 01:52pm
Oh Ed/Shawn...:)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/threadworthlesswithoutpics.gif

:rofl::rofl:

WKMCD
02-20-2010, 05:35am
We should be down at Va Speed around noon if any locals want to stop by.

edcmat-l1
02-20-2010, 08:30am
Oh Ed/Shawn...:)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/threadworthlesswithoutpics.gif

Pics? Of what? Whatchutalkinboutkevin? :leaving:

Lowcash
02-20-2010, 08:34am
We should be down at Va Speed around noon if any locals want to stop by.

Damnit! I need to check threads more often. I can't make it anyway, my parents are visiting this weekend.

Peter Pan
02-20-2010, 04:32pm
Waiting for some pictures:dance:

WKMCD
02-20-2010, 06:49pm
Hey Shawn,

Man you really surprised me when we got there today to find you sitting at the engine dyno controls and my 427 loaded up on the dyno. I didn't expect that.

Anyways, the numbers...These are preliminary numbers. Ed didn't get a chance to finalize the tune and the engine was still running the w40 breakin oil. The motor has been run a total of about 5 minutes so far including the dyno pulls and never run over 6k RPM.

Early results are 605 HP at 5900RPM and 588 T at 4800. I think we're all pretty happy with the early numbers. Shawn said he usually sees 75 HP difference between the chasis and engine dyno. Shawn has another cam ...still small by anyone's standards for a 427. Let's see how that works. Shawn also wants to take a run at making power with the FAST 102. He's confident he can make it work. The goal remains the same - good power but not at the expense of drivability. That's the challenge.


The engine is very quiet mechanically. Much quieter than before.

It was a GREAT day. McLeod and Sneaks made the 390 mile round trip with me and Brian - Cobra4B - stopped by for the show.



Here are a few pics.

Shawn and Ed at work.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno1.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno4.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno2.jpg

The BEAST!
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno5.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno3.jpg

Tough to get pics of the gauges when max'd. Note the RPM.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/EngineDyno6.jpg

McLeod
02-20-2010, 07:25pm
Nice valve covers.:leaving:

Sneaks
02-20-2010, 08:37pm
390 mile round trip? You forgot the 190 extra miles for some of us. :D
Thanks for the trip Kevin. Great spending the day with you and Damon, meeting the boys at Va Speed, and Cobra4B.
I'm not one easily impressed, but I was blown away! That place is like a Chucky Cheese for big boys. To get that kind of "unbroken in" power, from an NA motor that is as quiet and mild at idle as the 427 is, is unheard of. Talk about your ultimate sleeper! I couldn't stop giggling every time I thought about it. :D
When the cruiser is ready to be picked up, give me a yell, and I'm there! :thumbs:

Peter Pan
02-21-2010, 10:18am
Kevin thanks for the update and pictures, I am really going to look at there motor for my next build, I like the sleved option and extra cubes that go with ithttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/icon_thumright.gif

WKMCD
02-21-2010, 10:24am
Kevin thanks for the update and pictures, I am really going to look at there motor for my next build, I like the sleved option and extra cubes that go with ithttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/icon_thumright.gif

SECRET: Shawn may be looking to offer complete long blocks based on my build. From manifold to oil pan...

McLeod
02-22-2010, 06:24am
SECRET: Shawn may be looking to offer complete long blocks based on my build. From manifold to oil pan...

ZR1 power without the supercharger. :lol:

WKMCD
02-22-2010, 08:12am
ZR1 power without the supercharger. :lol:

NOthin' wrong with that. :D:seeya:

Sneaks
02-22-2010, 08:48am
ZR1 power without the supercharger. :lol:

NOthin' wrong with that. :D:seeya:

And 100K left over for more mods. :thumbs:
Although, I heard a rumor that Kevin was done modding the Cruiser. Probably just internet BS.......:leaving:

McLeod
02-22-2010, 11:11am
And 100K left over for more mods. :thumbs:
Although, I heard a rumor that Kevin was done modding the Cruiser. Probably just internet BS.......:leaving:

Say it ain't so.:willy:

WKMCD
02-22-2010, 11:17am
Maybe just a few refinements to previous mods...:willy:

Peter Pan
02-22-2010, 01:50pm
SECRET: Shawn may be looking to offer complete long blocks based on my build. From manifold to oil pan...

Awesome:hurray:

WKMCD
02-22-2010, 05:43pm
A little news from Shawn at VA Speed.

UPDATE:after a few more dyno pulls we did manage to raise the vacuum reading from .7 to 1.0 in. vacuum.and gained a couple hp but nothing to talk about.We are just fighting a losing battle with this intake restriction.Going to sawp out the cam and see what happens-probably nothing great due to the intake,but we have high hopes. :D

1TZSLO
02-22-2010, 10:31pm
Go with that CF intake that was posted on the CF thread lol

Sneaks
02-23-2010, 01:16am
Go with that CF intake that was posted on the CF thread lol


Stock motors have a lot more leeway as far as just bolting misc. intakes, headers, throttle bodies, etc. and still making more power.
When you're at the stage Kevin is, with his motor build, it's a little more difficult than just saying, "Let's just bolt on this intake." So many factors to consider.
They'll get it figured out, as far as cam and intake, and then.......LOOK OUT! He'll be eating C6 Z06's for breakfast, ZR-1's for lunch, and exotics for dessert! :D

WKMCD
02-23-2010, 08:25pm
Go with that CF intake that was posted on the CF thread lol

$7,000 :rofl:

WKMCD
02-23-2010, 08:26pm
New cam is in...Maybe some pulls tomorrow. :dance:

Sneaks
02-24-2010, 04:56am
:popcorns::drool::waiting:

WKMCD
02-24-2010, 05:46am
:popcorns::drool::waiting:

You and me both brother! :seeya::popcorns::waiting::ohnoes:

wwomanC6
02-24-2010, 06:51am
New cam is in...Maybe some pulls tomorrow. :dance:

:popcorns::drool::waiting:

You and me both brother! :seeya::popcorns::waiting::ohnoes:

:iagree::above: video...maybe :popcorns:

Peter Pan
02-24-2010, 09:59am
:iagree::above: video...maybe :popcorns:

:iagree:We do need a Vidhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/3gears.gif

WKMCD
02-24-2010, 06:58pm
Just in from Shawn:

UPDATE:621hp 601ft lbs,-1.2 in vacuum-that is all

Getting there. :D:D:D

DJ conversion makes this approx. 546/526 RW

McLeod
02-24-2010, 08:58pm
Just in from Shawn:

UPDATE:621hp 601ft lbs,-1.2 in vacuum-that is all

Getting there. :D:D:D

DJ conversion makes this approx. 546/526 RW

Yea you needed more torque.:lol:

WKMCD
02-25-2010, 05:37am
Yea you needed more torque.:lol:

:iagree: :lol: :D :lolsmile:

Peter Pan
02-25-2010, 11:04am
Just in from Shawn:

UPDATE:621hp 601ft lbs,-1.2 in vacuum-that is all

Getting there. :D:D:D

DJ conversion makes this approx. 546/526 RW

Kevin, those numbers will snap your head back when you mash the go pedal:dance:

WKMCD
02-25-2010, 11:25am
Kevin, those numbers will snap your head back when you mash the go pedal:dance:

You can see how small the cam is with the torque just behind the HP.

Should be fun! :D

Sneaks
02-25-2010, 02:33pm
Kevin, those numbers will snap your head back when you mash the go pedal:dance:

Only after it hooks up. Til then........:D

WKMCD
02-25-2010, 03:03pm
Only after it hooks up. Til then........:D

That's what 4th gear is for. :rofl:

edcmat-l1
02-25-2010, 03:34pm
Only after it hooks up. Til then........:D

Yeah, GMs TC was never intended to harness over 600 hp. It's almost worthless in these cars. At least at first. It takes it a few seconds to figure out 'oh s**t, them rear wheels are spinnin fast!!' :drivingskid: LOL

thegreenman
02-25-2010, 05:39pm
Yeah, GMs TC was never intended to harness over 600 hp. It's almost worthless in these cars. At least at first. It takes it a few seconds to figure out 'oh s**t, them rear wheels are spinnin fast!!' :drivingskid: LOL

You are right, I have been sideways and TC never lite up. I guess I will have to learn to handle it instead of relying on the computer. :rofl:

WKMCD
02-25-2010, 06:08pm
What is this traction control of which you speak? :rofl:

WKMCD
02-25-2010, 07:04pm
An evening update from Shawn:

no results today.Do to time contraints i am not going to run the intake with no work done to it-really can't see the point as the ports in the intake are 1/8" smaller that the heads(thanks Richard for making me work so hard port matching the intake:D)so we will run it port matched and then after all the mods are done.Hopefully we will have it done saturday

That Richard! :D

Thanks Shawn. We'll all have to wait a little longer but I'm sure it will be worth it.

Sneaks
02-25-2010, 11:54pm
What is this traction control of which you speak? :rofl:

That's the little black button you turn off right before the smoke show. :D

WKMCD
02-26-2010, 05:09am
That's the little black button you turn off right before the smoke show. :D

:lolsmile: :drivingskid:

Sneaks
02-26-2010, 06:32am
:lolsmile: :drivingskid:

I see you know that button well brother. :D
:drivingskid:

WKMCD
02-26-2010, 06:56am
I see you know that button well brother. :D
:drivingskid:

The 403 would blow right through TC. I don't think it's going to work any better with the 427. :o_o:

Munch
02-26-2010, 07:38am
Just in from Shawn:

UPDATE:621hp 601ft lbs,-1.2 in vacuum-that is all

Getting there. :D:D:D

DJ conversion makes this approx. 546/526 RW

That's quite impressive and really super cool! :cheers:

WKMCD
02-26-2010, 07:55am
That's quite impressive and really super cool! :cheers:

526 RWT on an NA build is just nuts.....:D

McLeod
02-26-2010, 08:13am
526 RWT on an NA build is just nuts.....:D

Well those of us that know you question your sanity sometimes.:lolsmile:

WKMCD
02-26-2010, 08:36am
Well those of us that know you question your sanity sometimes.:lolsmile:

:toetap: A couple more ft/lbs of torque and I know what stump I'll be pulling. :lolsmile:

Peter Pan
02-26-2010, 12:15pm
I only drive with my TC on when the roads are wet as it is worthless under any load on my Vette and looking forward to the port matched head and intakes pullshttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/coolani.gif

Sneaks
02-26-2010, 01:21pm
Well those of us that know you question your sanity sometimes.:lolsmile:

:toetap: A couple more ft/lbs of torque and I know what stump I'll be pulling. :lolsmile:

:lolsmile::lolsmile::lolsmile:

WKMCD
02-27-2010, 01:16pm
This from Shawn today. This is the port matched FAST with the 90mm TB.

633hp 616tq-90mm tb

going to the big tb now

This is making some serious NA power now. Big TB going on now. :D

635 with the big tb-but we have some things to change to make the big tb effective-done for the day

WKMCD
02-27-2010, 04:34pm
From Shawn:

Port matched FAST 102,we still have more work to do internally,we just wanted to get a baseline.We put on the big tb but didn't have a tube on it to straighten the air out,so the big tb only gained a couple of hp so far.After we get the tube on it as well as a couple more mods to the intake,we should be right at 650hp and 600ft lbs tq.

And they say the FAST isn't worth anything:D

:awesome:

Peter Pan
02-27-2010, 05:35pm
From Shawn:



:awesome:

:drivingskid::metal:

Y2Kvert4me
02-27-2010, 05:53pm
633hp 616tq-90mm tb
...should be right at 650hp and 600ft lbs tq.Pardon my ignorance here, but is that a typo, or why would the larger TB have him expecting a 16# loss of peak tq?

btw, not bad results for a huge dud of an intake that's so bad many vendors won't even carry it. :D

(and yes I know the hand finishing work that went into it accounts for a lot of the difference, but that's always been the case with the FAST ).


:cheers:

WKMCD
02-27-2010, 05:57pm
Not sure about the torque number. It may just be a slip. Shawn is convinced there's another 15HP in the motor before it comes off the dyno. We'll get some more info this week.

I only agreed to do the FAST when Shawn convinced me he could make it work. Some reported actually loosing HP after they worked on it. Shawn is NOT your average builder.

Cobra4B
02-27-2010, 07:04pm
Awesome Kevin.

edcmat-l1
02-28-2010, 06:25am
Pardon my ignorance here, but is that a typo, or why would the larger TB have him expecting a 16# loss of peak tq?

btw, not bad results for a huge dud of an intake that's so bad many vendors won't even carry it. :D

(and yes I know the hand finishing work that went into it accounts for a lot of the difference, but that's always been the case with the FAST ).


:cheers:

If I'm wrong Shawn will correct me (you can bet on that LOL) but I'm assuming there will be a slight loss of torque from shortening the runner length.

Munch
02-28-2010, 06:46am
Even with a slight loss of torque those numbers are just sick!:willy:

When do we get to see the curve?

WKMCD
02-28-2010, 07:49am
Even with a slight loss of torque those numbers are just sick!:willy:

When do we get to see the curve?

I think when Shawn is done and feels like he's max'd the build (for what it is), we'll see a graph or two. No sense posting over and over as the power continues to change - in a good way.

I was trying to find a pic that FAST put out in their early marketing that has runners that come straight off the port and end before the last turn down. They looked a lot like an ITB approach angle to the head. I wish I could get those runners to try.

Sneaks
02-28-2010, 08:21am
Stump puller, field plower for hire. Need your shi** done FAST, call WKMCD. :D
Serious, serious numbers! How much closer can you get to being straight across the board on HP and TQ? WOW!
:thumbs:

WKMCD
02-28-2010, 08:52am
Stump puller, field plower for hire. Need your shi** done FAST, call WKMCD. :D
Serious, serious numbers! How much closer can you get to being straight across the board on HP and TQ? WOW!
:thumbs:

I think we'll see HP outracing torque as Shawn starts cutting up the FAST. I'll still have enough torque to make a good living in the fields though. :rofl:

Sneaks
02-28-2010, 01:01pm
I think we'll see HP outracing torque as Shawn starts cutting up the FAST. I'll still have enough torque to make a good living in the fields though. :rofl:

Get that thing finished Shawn! I got a neck brace I'm bringing along for the pick up. :dance:

WKMCD
03-03-2010, 09:23am
More results coming soon! :D

Peter Pan
03-03-2010, 10:15am
More results coming soon! :D

You are teasing us we want results now:hurray:

WKMCD
03-03-2010, 10:27am
You are teasing us we want results now:hurray:

DRUM ROLL PLEASE>>>>>

From Shawn a few minutes ago. :thumbs:

FINAL RESULTS: 656.8hp at 6200rpm 614.2tq at 4950 rpm

thats with a NW 107mm tb with the FAST opened up to 107mm,we also did some internal stuff that i'm not going to talk about:D


Well done. Remember people - this is a small cam/very mild build. Shawn says there is 75hp difference from their engine dyno to their DJ. (581/539 approx)

Peter Pan
03-03-2010, 10:28am
DRUM ROLL PLEASE>>>>>

From Shawn a few minutes ago. :thumbs:




Well done. Remember people - this is a small cam/very mild build. Shawn says there is 75hp difference from their engine dyno to their DJ. (581/539 approx)

Those will for sure be head snapping numbers when you get your Vert back and congrats:beer:

thegreenman
03-03-2010, 10:41am
Holy crap, great numbers.

McLeod
03-03-2010, 01:14pm
DRUM ROLL PLEASE>>>>>

From Shawn a few minutes ago. :thumbs:




Well done. Remember people - this is a small cam/very mild build. Shawn says there is 75hp difference from their engine dyno to their DJ. (581/539 approx)

I think you might surprise the ZR1's on the street.:D

Sneaks
03-03-2010, 02:36pm
Those will for sure be head snapping numbers when you get your Vert back and congrats:beer:
You aren't kidding Steve.
I think you might surprise the ZR1's on the street.:D
Ya think? :dance:
:cheers:

WKMCD
03-03-2010, 06:07pm
Here's the dyno chronology:

427 Old Cam............................................605/588

427 New Cam...........................................621/601

427 Port Matched FAST w/ 90mm TB............633/616

427 Shawn Miller massaged FAST/107mm TB..656/614

It looks like Shawn managed to get the FAST to produce 35hp with the FAST. Not too bad, :D

Y2Kvert4me
03-03-2010, 07:35pm
Very nice results! :thumbs:


So now for the really important question...Now that you have the 7/16 race cam, what's gonna happen to the old Justin Timberlake? :D

WKMCD
03-03-2010, 07:42pm
Very nice results! :thumbs:


So now for the really important question...Now that you have the 7/16 race cam, what's gonna happen to the old Justin Timberlake? :D


Thanks.

The JT cam is for sale.



http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginedynograph.jpg

Munch
03-03-2010, 08:08pm
That's nuts! VA Speed does it again. :cheers:

WKMCD
03-04-2010, 04:11am
From Richard at WCCH - ProHeads.com

Brilliant job Shawn. This is a perfect demonstration on intake system development. Looks like you've hit on a key mod for the FAST intakes. Well done sir!!

Ed, you da man!! Nice work on the tune sir!

Kevin, you've created a monster. That's crazy power from a mild build. All done by 6500 with a smooth idle and pump gas friendly. A less expensive wet sump LS7. Most of all, reliable.

Thanks for showing off the potential of of our Stage 3 heads.

Happy Cruising :D

Richard :)

Thanks for being an important part of this ongoing project the last couple of years Richard. The Stage 3 L92's are knockouts! Great power in this mild configuration and I can't imagine how they would perform with one of Carey's manifolds and a carb TB. 700hp should be very doable.

Thanks again,

Kevin

Peter Pan
03-04-2010, 11:39am
Thanks.

The JT cam is for sale.



http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g93/WKMCD/enginedynograph.jpg

Kevin, Looking at your chart your Vert is going to be a TQ monster with over 500 TQ from 3k on and I like the results of your setup at 5200 cross with all the TQ and about 600 hp that will really snap some heads from the riders seat, that will be one bad ass NA setup:cheers:

WKMCD
03-04-2010, 01:09pm
Kevin, Looking at your chart your Vert is going to be a TQ monster with over 500 TQ from 3k on and I like the results of your setup at 5200 cross with all the TQ and about 600 hp that will really snap some heads from the riders seat, that will be one bad ass NA setup:cheers:

Not all of us need 750RWHP....I'll settle for my little build.:rofl:

Garb55
03-04-2010, 06:27pm
Very nice results! :thumbs::D


:above:

edcmat-l1
03-04-2010, 07:58pm
That's nuts! VA Speed does it again. :cheers:

[In my best Elvis] Thank ya, Thank ya very much!! :yesnod:

WKMCD
03-04-2010, 08:41pm
[In my best Elvis] Thank ya, Thank ya very much!! :yesnod:

Hey Ed,

We keep saying it but I really don't think people get it that this is a milder build than say.. a 346 with a 216-224 cam. I can't wait to slip behind the wheel. :D

Cobra4B
03-04-2010, 10:10pm
From my other thread... I was pretty close :)

I'm guessing 648 @ the motor when it's all done

Peter Pan
03-05-2010, 10:36am
Not all of us need 750RWHP....I'll settle for my little build.:rofl:

:iagree::dance:

Hey Ed,

We keep saying it but I really don't think people get it that this is a milder build than say.. a 346 with a 216-224 cam. I can't wait to slip behind the wheel. :D

I have one of those motors with a cam in that area, oh it must be the blower that gets me the powerhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/55425421.gif

WKMCD
03-05-2010, 11:07am
:iagree::dance:
I have one of those motors with a cam in that area, oh it must be the blower that gets me the powerhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/55425421.gif

HMMMMM! I wonder what would happen with a little FI assist on the 427??? :o_o:

Sneaks
03-05-2010, 08:43pm
HMMMMM! I wonder what would happen with a little FI assist on the 427??? :o_o:

Tell Shawn and Ed to pin the crank now, so we don't have to pull the rack and pinion when we install the blower. :D

WKMCD
03-06-2010, 04:52pm
Tell Shawn and Ed to pin the crank now, so we don't have to pull the rack and pinion when we install the blower. :D

Edelbrock has a new unit out for the LS3's.......:rofl:

I just want to drive the car now. :drivingskid:

Richard at WCCH wants a pic of me lighting up the tires for his website. I told him I'd see what I can do. :yesnod:

allthrottleandsomebottle
03-06-2010, 07:58pm
dem white C5s are fast..............congrats on the #s. Time to load test the rear.
I know whay ya mean about driving............the 97' is back on the street and legal :hurray:

Sneaks
03-07-2010, 06:24am
Edelbrock has a new unit out for the LS3's.......:rofl:

I just want to drive the car now. :drivingskid:

Richard at WCCH wants a pic of me lighting up the tires for his website. I told him I'd see what I can do. :yesnod:

He's already been looking at FI units! :rofl:
Hell, with all that torque, you can get that pic just coming off idle. Jus' sayin........:thumbs:

Peter Pan
03-08-2010, 10:40am
HMMMMM! I wonder what would happen with a little FI assist on the 427??? :o_o:

If you crank up the boost like I have 850+ RWHP and you talk about snapping heads of those in the right seat, heck I can put a Benjam on the dash and they will not be able to grab it when you hit the go pedalhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/Hippie.gif

thegreenman
03-08-2010, 12:57pm
HMMMMM! I wonder what would happen with a little FI assist on the 427??? :o_o:

With the MagnaCharger TVS, you are looking at 40 percent more power. More than 900HP and unbelievable torque. With my TVS 1900 I got more 170HP with my little stock (for now) LS3.

WKMCD
03-08-2010, 03:31pm
With the MagnaCharger TVS, you are looking at 40 percent more power. More than 900HP and unbelievable torque. With my TVS 1900 I got more 170HP with my little stock (for now) LS3.

I like NA power and the challenge of making great average power NA while maintaining excellent street manners.

thegreenman
03-08-2010, 08:55pm
Do you have some DR, if memory serves me right you had PS2's on right now right? I have the PS2 345's and have a hard time getting traction as you will see soon.

WKMCD
03-09-2010, 05:51am
Do you have some DR, if memory serves me right you had PS2's on right now right? I have the PS2 345's and have a hard time getting traction as you will see soon.

Yeah, I've got 315 PS2's. Traction was elusive before with the 403. It's going to be non-existent with the 427 but wheel spin doesn't break stuff.

Sneaks
03-09-2010, 06:35am
If you crank up the boost like I have 850+ RWHP and you talk about snapping heads of those in the right seat, heck I can put a Benjam on the dash and they will not be able to grab it when you hit the go pedalhttp://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c293/elsloan22/emotions/Hippie.gif

I knew a guy once who made that statement. The ex wife and I had a great dinner that evening. The hand is quicker than the foot! :dance:

thegreenman
03-09-2010, 07:01pm
Yeah, I've got 315 PS2's. Traction was elusive before with the 403. It's going to be non-existent with the 427 but wheel spin doesn't break stuff.

You are right, I need to upgrade my Diff/tranny then I can go with some stickier tires. When are you getting your ride back?

WKMCD
03-09-2010, 07:06pm
You are right, I need to upgrade my Diff/tranny then I can go with some stickier tires. When are you getting your ride back?

Hopefully the 20th but we'll see when Ed and Shawn are satisfied with it.

Sneaks
03-09-2010, 11:06pm
Hopefully the 20th but we'll see when Ed and Shawn are satisfied with it.

Road trip. :dance:
Packing the sticks this time? :D

edcmat-l1
03-10-2010, 07:47am
Hopefully the 20th but we'll see when Ed and Shawn are satisfied with it.

Should be doable, but let's get it in the car before we get ahead of ourselves. :toetap:

Cobra4B
03-10-2010, 09:47am
Road trip. :dance:
Packing the sticks this time? :D
LMK If you guys are bringing the clubs down!

Sneaks
03-11-2010, 02:41pm
What's the latest news on the build and getting it back together? :toetap:

edcmat-l1
03-11-2010, 07:08pm
What's the latest news on the build and getting it back together? :toetap:

We're gettin there. Drivetrain is swapped out. Brace is installed on new drivetrain. Torque tube shaft was pulled, and couplers checked. OK there. Hardened shaft will be swapped out tomorrow or Saturday. We're good for having it running first part of the week. Chassis dyno numbers, most likely middle of the week.

Still at work at 8 PM. Been REALLY busy. Here til 10 pm last night. All of the guys have been here late all week.

Sneaks
03-11-2010, 08:09pm
We're gettin there. Drivetrain is swapped out. Brace is installed on new drivetrain. Torque tube shaft was pulled, and couplers checked. OK there. Hardened shaft will be swapped out tomorrow or Saturday. We're good for having it running first part of the week. Chassis dyno numbers, most likely middle of the week.

Still at work at 8 PM. Been REALLY busy. Here til 10 pm last night. All of the guys have been here late all week.

Sounds like it's getting close to getting on the road. :thumbs: