Why do people hate nature?

[Chemdawg69]

Once again, trees are the victim... Neighbors just cut down two beautiful oak trees, I think the guy went through five chains trying to get these two beasts down.

The GF speculates they are going to clear that space, level it and use it for parking, which is tight in our row of townhomes and houses.

Lars has been lamenting the lack of quality content, this is all I've got. :shrug:

[lrobe22]

5 chains? Was he using a Mattel chainsaw?

[Tikiman]

Might be a nice front yard once he gets rid of the stumps.

[MY03C5Z]

Small front yard and that root base looks like it was a mess. Taking out that tree would be an improvement to that place.

[Chemdawg69]

5 chains? Was he using a Mattel chainsaw?

I made that up. lol

But that first ole oak gave him hell.

[Yadkin]

Trees too big, too close to the house, posing a hazard. I had several very large come down during Helene, one within feet of the house. Then I took down three more, same size. This was after building the house, careful siting to save as many as possible. After seeing hurricane devastation up front and personal, I decided that it was them or me.

[Anjdog2003]

https://youtu.be/ElJFYwRtrH4?si=72RrfXD0cZmhEwz8

[Chemdawg69]

Small front yard and that root base looks like it was a mess. Taking out that tree would be an improvement to that place.

Yup. I'm being somewhat hyperbolic just like with who hates nature V1.0.

I'd love to lose the oaks to the right, which is right next to our townhouse. Problem is our cat uses one of the oaks to get on and off the roof (much like the coons lol).

[MY03C5Z]

Yup. I'm being somewhat hyperbolic just like with who hates nature V1.0.

I'd love to lose the oaks to the right, which is right next to our townhouse. Problem is our cat uses one of the oaks to get on and off the roof (much like the coons lol).

Yeah the two in front look a bit messy too. Probably be an improvement to both properties to take them out as well.

[higgyburners]

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I wonder what this thread will be about next week....:D

[OnPoint]

Some beautiful wood. Hopefully those don't just end up in a landfill.

[dvarapala]

Any chance the trees were diseased? :shrug:

[Yadkin]

During my career designing home repairs I would determine the cause of the problem, when possible, recommend eliminating the problem then design the repair. Hundred of times, it was a tree, or trees. People love their trees, so I would ask a pointed question: what do you love more, the tree or your house?

[Bruze]

Once again, trees are the victim... Neighbors just cut down two beautiful oak trees, I think the guy went through five chains trying to get these two beasts down.


Five chains? -- LOL. When one got dull he put on a new one on? :Jeff '79: He must have hit some metal and on top of that he doesn't know how to sharpen the chains. It ain't rocket science.

I had a bunch of black walnuts taken down around the yard by an Amish logger last week. I got a cool $2,000 for it, they're out of my way, can't fall on the house anymore, and I'll get another hour or so of sunlight on my garden. The log truck picked the last of them up around 6:30 this morning.

Would've gotten a lot more money but he had to rent a $1,400 lift to top them off -- because most of the trees were by the utility lines.

The pile goes all the way to the red arrow; click to expand:

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[Vandelay Industries]

My message to nature:

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:dance:

[slewfoot]

Once again, trees are the victim... Neighbors just cut down two beautiful oak trees, I think the guy went through five chains trying to get these two beasts down.

The GF speculates they are going to clear that space, level it and use it for parking, which is tight in our row of townhomes and houses.

Lars has been lamenting the lack of quality content, this is all I've got. :shrug:

If that tree still standing in the top pic was in my yard, I would trim off that limb before it came down and killed someone

[slewfoot]

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I wonder what this thread will be about next week....:D

Shit, I wonder what it will be about in 2 hours.

[Swany00]

If they wacked it down just for parking and it wasn't diseased, that's ****ed up.

[04 commemorative]

his land,his home,his trees......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2595abcvh2M

[KenHorse]

https://youtu.be/ElJFYwRtrH4?si=72RrfXD0cZmhEwz8

Same morons who scream at the sky about Trump :yesnod:

[Bruze]

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I wonder what this thread will be about next week....:D

Shit, I wonder what it will be about in 2 hours.


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[higgyburners]

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man...how things change....

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[dvarapala]

My message to nature:

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:dance:

I want that shirt. :lol:

[Bruze]

man...how things change....

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Are you saying that people can look different after 30-40 years? :eek:

[higgyburners]

Are you saying that people can look different after 30-40 years? :eek:

not at all ....:Jeff '79:

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[Unsuspicious]

Acting on your best behavior, turn your back on mother nature. Everybody wants to rule the world.

[Bruze]

not at all ....:Jeff '79:

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[owc6]

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What's with the glasses?

:leaving:

[higgyburners]

it tries to lead you away from looking at her snatch...I was not fooled..:yesnod:

[Yadkin]

What's with the glasses?

:leaving:

Going for that Hot Librarian thang. :yesnod:

[GTOguy]

This was the premise of the 15k thread. Standing by! 😃

[Anjdog2003]

not at all ....:Jeff '79:

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That's not 30-40 years later. :kick:

[Frankie the Fink]

I don't get it either, part of the conditions (if they were enforced) to living on our lake is that you have to plant 3 hardwoods in the front yard in steamy Florida....after 25 years our entire front yard is shaded in the hot afternoons, newer neighbors lawns look like a ballfield with nothing outside and they complain about the burnt up, withering grass, sun destroying car paint, etc. You can't fix stupid.

[Yadkin]

I don't get it either, part of the conditions (if they were enforced) to living on our lake is that you have to plant 3 hardwoods in the front yard in steamy Florida....after 25 years our entire front yard is shaded in the hot afternoons, newer neighbors lawns look like a ballfield with nothing outside and they complain about the burnt up, withering grass, sun destroying car paint, etc. You can't fix stupid.

Landscape around homes is cyclical. Best to plant new trees while the old ones are still viable. Once the branches spread over the house it's time for firewood.

[A/E]

Celebrate Earth Day !

Euthanize a Dying Tree ~

Plant a Seedling Sapling Sprout in it's Place ~

Hate Nature Responsibly this Earth Day . . . .

I'm gonna Dust off my Old Earth Shoes I got Kinney Shoes back in '77

This Reminds me ~

Better Oil that Chainsaw and Put on the Performance Exhaust Kit on it . . . . .


BRRIPPPP ~ BRAAPPPPPP ~ WRRRRRRRR

[Frankie the Fink]

Landscape around homes is cyclical. Best to plant new trees while the old ones are still viable. Once the branches spread over the house it's time for firewood.

I'm 74 - the trees will still be idyllic while I'm a memory....

There are also 'slow growth' formulations you can apply that will keep them from over extending for decades - have to reapply about every 3 years but no biggee..

[A/E]

Oh Yeah . . . .

Got a Few Down on Earth Day Eve !

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Nasty Old Cottonwoods on a Beach . . .

'F That ~

Gonna Replace 'em with Imitation Fiberglass Palm Trees like in the Indoor Water Park :yesnod:

[Tikiman]

I'm 74 - the trees will still be idyllic while I'm a memory....

There are also 'slow growth' formulations you can apply that will keep them from over extending for decades - have to reapply about every 3 years but no biggee..

Oh, that's just great. Puberty blockers for trees. We are so ****ed.

[Frankie the Fink]

Oh, that's just great. Puberty blockers for trees. We are so ****ed.

25 year old mature trees and the product protects septic tank drain fields and pavement from being destroyed along with roofs and structures along with tree-killing root strangulation.....and arborist recommended.

Maybe find some other reason to be triggered ?

[Yadkin]

I'm 74 - the trees will still be idyllic while I'm a memory....

There are also 'slow growth' formulations you can apply that will keep them from over extending for decades - have to reapply about every 3 years but no biggee..

I guess that's one way to do it.

My house in upstate NY, purchased in the late 80's, was two acres of wind-swept grass cutting. I planted maybe 40 trees, mostly pines and spruce, but at least two black walnut. Last time I drove by it looked like a small forest.

Moved to Winston-Salem in the mid 90's and that neighborhood was 2 years old. One builder's special dwarf tree in the front yard and seven native trees in the back yard. Then a tornado and only one of the seven survived. So I created a nice wiffle ball field for my kids. Planted large forest trees in the front- magnolia and firs. Had to cut the firs down after ten years- planted chestnut variants given to me by a close friend. The magnolia is now huge- neighbors daughter collected leaves from it to make place holders for her wedding, and the softball sized flowers are intoxicating.

House here in the mountains, I carved out old growth forest- tried to save as many trees as possible. 6' wide lawn in front and none in the back. I gradually had to cut a lot back from the house. Helene took out a very large one that luckily missed the house. I cut down three more very large that were too close. Last month a wind storm took out another.

The only thing constant about life is change...

[Frankie the Fink]

If there are more idyllic vistas than an old Florida pond with ancient Live Oaks festooned with Spanish moss, I don't know what it is.... Has a humbling and prehistoric feel to it.

Dumb shits that plant monster growing Magnolias and spindly fruit bearing trees near their houses in hurricane prone areas are morons - and many tract home builder pull that crap knowing it'll be problems for owners later on....

Then they suck in northerners that don't know better with disease prone, cheap Queen palms that need constant attention and drop nasty fermenting berries and generally die in less than two decades, when a nice Christmas or Foxtail palm is a bit more expensive but almost no maintenance.

[Tikiman]

I guess that's one way to do it.

My house in upstate NY, purchased in the late 80's, was two acres of wind-swept grass cutting. I planted maybe 40 trees, mostly pines and spruce, but at least two black walnut. Last time I drove by it looked like a small forest.

Moved to Winston-Salem in the mid 90's and that neighborhood was 2 years old. One builder's special dwarf tree in the front yard and seven native trees in the back yard. Then a tornado and only one of the seven survived. So I created a nice wiffle ball field for my kids. Planted large forest trees in the front- magnolia and firs. Had to cut the firs down after ten years- planted chestnut variants given to me by a close friend. The magnolia is now huge- neighbors daughter collected leaves from it to make place holders for her wedding, and the softball sized flowers are intoxicating.

House here in the mountains, I carved out old growth forest- tried to save as many trees as possible. 6' wide lawn in front and none in the back. I gradually had to cut a lot back from the house. Helene took out a very large one that luckily missed the house. I cut down three more very large that were too close. Last month a wind storm took out another.

The only thing constant about life is change...


My place had a fifteen-foot magnolia in the yard when we bought it. If I knew then what I know now, I would have cut that bitch down. 25 years later, it is huge and my pool robot cannot pick up its large waxy leaves. I hate that tree, but it is a protected species (my wife likes it).

[Bruze]

What's with the glasses?

:leaving:

As people age, their eyesight usually gets worse. Eyeglasses can usually correct that.
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[PLRX]

man...how things change....

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Two kids, a couch, and a TV do that to women.

[Yadkin]

My place had a fifteen-foot magnolia in the yard when we bought it. If I knew then what I know now, I would have cut that bitch down. 25 years later, it is huge and my pool robot cannot pick up its large waxy leaves. I hate that tree, but it is a protected species (my wife likes it).

I planted mine 20' off the street and 20' off the property line. . As it grew, verbal agreement with my neighbor to take over part of their lawn, pruning lower branches to keep from obstructing the road.

[slewfoot]

man...how things change....

https://i.imgur.com/kyyDI5d.jpg




Damn! No wonder Yaddy is here 24/7

[Big bob]

man...how things change....

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Just imagine how bad it could get with a low starting point.:Jeff '79:

[LATB]

The best way to love trees is to love them in the woods away from the house.
Yeah it can really look nice having large trees near the building. And the old twisted oaks in Florida are really cool, and I have been able to save a few on properties I’ve built on.

But as nice as they are, they are nothing but trouble. If you have them and love them and are willing to accept the liability, go for it. I have. I wouldn’t again.

I also love to see them fall. And the sounds of the chainsaw triggers a lot of hurricane memories. Usually when trees are coming down something new is going up. I kinda like that too. :D

New place I’m fortunate to have acreage and my own woods. I removed every tree that could potentially hit the house. I have forest mulched a few acres around the house outside that strike zone and the larger trees I kept love it. The surrounding woods is thick and hard to walk through. I like it that way.

Cliffs:
Love trees near the house? take the good with the bad, or buy a woods of your own where you can hug them in privacy. :Jeff '79:
And felled trees means progress. :banana1:

[04 commemorative]

or live on the beach :seasix:

[Chemtrails99]

Wish my ever changing stream of neighbors would figure out the huge oak on their property between our houses is dying and the next big hurricane will probably take it down. I've told the last three it is dying, how much it's stance has shifted and they claim an expert said it's fine. Just like the two in the front yard the same age that blew over and took down the power lines for two weeks last hurricane. Saw the last expert nodding his head that the thing was fine and explained to him that I have been watching the tree shift, droop and die for 20 years longer than he has even been alive. But yeah, he's an EXPERT.

[Chemdawg69]

This was the premise of the 15k thread. Standing by! 😃

And I'm sure you remember the type of tree in version 1.0!

[GTOguy]

The best way to love trees is to love them in the woods away from the house.
Yeah it can really look nice having large trees near the building. And the old twisted oaks in Florida are really cool, and I have been able to save a few on properties I’ve built on.

But as nice as they are, they are nothing but trouble. If you have them and love them and are willing to accept the liability, go for it. I have. I wouldn’t again.

I also love to see them fall. And the sounds of the chainsaw triggers a lot of hurricane memories. Usually when trees are coming down something new is going up. I kinda like that too. :D

New place I’m fortunate to have acreage and my own woods. I removed every tree that could potentially hit the house. I have forest mulched a few acres around the house outside that strike zone and the larger trees I kept love it. The surrounding woods is thick and hard to walk through. I like it that way.

Cliffs:
Love trees near the house? take the good with the bad, or buy a woods of your own where you can hug them in privacy. :Jeff '79:
And felled trees means progress. :banana1:

I have a friend who does some logging here in CA. The bumper sticker on his truck says "Earth First....we'll log the other planets later."

[Frankie the Fink]

My place had a fifteen-foot magnolia in the yard when we bought it. If I knew then what I know now, I would have cut that bitch down. 25 years later, it is huge and my pool robot cannot pick up its large waxy leaves. I hate that tree, but it is a protected species (my wife likes it).

Not counting they are poisonous...

[Frankie the Fink]

Felled trees mean progress - what a demented outlook.....it almost always means some old growth forest or pristine natural foliage is being destroyed to get that extra 1000 square feet of land for another high density POS apartment or townhouse. Its the reason you can't find a citrus grove near me anymore.

I would piss off greedy developers when I was on the town P&Z board because I'd make them keep ancient, healthy magnificent oak trees - screw 'em.

[DJ_Critterus]

Small front yard and that root base looks like it was a mess. Taking out that tree would be an improvement to that place.

And it might take care of the racoon infestation :yesnod:

[Tikiman]

Not counting they are poisonous...

I’ve yet to eat any of it. Perhaps when my dementia gets as bad as Joes.

[LATB]

Felled trees mean progress - what a demented outlook.....it almost always means some old growth forest or pristine natural foliage is being destroyed to get that extra 1000 square feet of land for another high density POS apartment or townhouse. Its the reason you can't find a citrus grove near me anymore.

I would piss off greedy developers when I was on the town P&Z board because I'd make them keep ancient, healthy magnificent oak trees - screw 'em.

My God you can be an arrogant elitist douche bag.

There were once trees where:
Your house is
Where you shop
Where you go to the doc
Where you dine
Where you drive
Where your trash goes
Where your poop goes
Trees are harvested for lumber
Trees are harvested for pulp wood
Trees are harvested for electric poles
Farmers clear land of trees to cultivate and raise livestock
And yep, there were once trees before there were orange groves.

And no it’s not always old growth forest.
The government owns millions of acres of pristine natural foliage.

You are absolutely the typical government anti growth obstructionist prick.

Wise the **** up or shut the **** up.

[MY03C5Z]

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[TheHammer]

can't imagine the damage the root system has done to the house foundation, sidewalks, driveways, sewer pipes, etc.

grew up in the Midwest, trees close to the house were great for shade, etc. but roots grew into everything

[Chemdawg69]

:funnier:

Let's get V2.0 fired up, the doors were good for 1000 posts before!

[GTOguy]

:funnier:

Let's get V2.0 fired up, the doors were good for 1000 posts before!

I like your thinking. Yes, I remember the trees. A couple of medium sized pines. Not really big, maybe 8"-10" trunks, but enough for shade and privacy.

Dang! Why do people hate nature so much? And why do those darn garbagemen have to come so darned early???

[Frankie the Fink]

My God you can be an arrogant elitist douche bag.

There were once trees where:
Your house is
Where you shop
Where you go to the doc
Where you dine
Where you drive
Where your trash goes
Where your poop goes
Trees are harvested for lumber
Trees are harvested for pulp wood
Trees are harvested for electric poles
Farmers clear land of trees to cultivate and raise livestock
And yep, there were once trees before there were orange groves.

And no it’s not always old growth forest.
The government owns millions of acres of pristine natural foliage.

You are absolutely the typical government anti growth obstructionist prick.

Wise the **** up or shut the **** up.

Oh boy - so you equate all of the above with some rabid high density developer leveling a beautiful decaes/centuries old natural landscape to stuff a bunch of people in a modern ghetto... When, with a little forethought and care much of it could remain..

Way to go off the rails into LATB-land...and personal insults are so middle school.

Elitism is wanting to preserve natural beauty....CHECK
Want to keep some green space in developers plans is obstructionist....CHECK
I'm a typical government employee...not remotely true CHECK

Please stay out of Florida, we have enough of your type, clowns with backhoes a gleam in their eye and a dollar bill as their deity.

[LATB]

Oh boy - so you equate all of the above with some rabid high density developer leveling a beautiful decaes/centuries old natural landscape to stuff a bunch of people in a modern ghetto... When, with a little forethought and care much of it could remain..

Way to go off the rails into LATB-land...and personal insults are so middle school.

Elitism is wanting to preserve natural beauty....CHECK
Want to keep some green space in developers plans is obstructionist....CHECK
I'm a typical government employee...not remotely true CHECK

Please stay out of Florida, we have enough of your type, clowns with backhoes a gleam in their eye and a dollar bill as their deity.

“Stay out of Florida” :Jeff '79:

I have built and developed here responsibly for going on 4 decades.

If south and central Florida was going to be saved from the clowns with backhoes you would need to go back a ways.

You just have a barbed stick up your ass because they are developing and that is encroaching on your pretty little lakefront retirement home.
Which btw I have complimented you on several times.

I wonder what wildlife used to live on the lake where you now reside?
Of you’re gonna be a tree hugger you need to go live in them or remain a hypocrite.

[Vandelay Industries]

:funnier:

Let's get V2.0 fired up, the doors were good for 1000 posts before!

:waiting::rofl::waiting:

[GTOguy]

Arrogant Elitist Douchebag. Check.

Middle School Clown With a Backhoe. Check.

UD thread, started on the 15k thread premise. Check.

This thread is starting to deliver.:yesnod:

[Chemdawg69]

Friggin cat walked all over my car last night, wasn't planning on washing it but it was a good 48 minute workout!

This angle shows how the remaining oaks hang over the road, but these old oaks have survived five hurricanes in the last number of years, we had three that came through in 2004, you Florida peeps will remember that. And two hurricanes since I've been living here.

[Chemdawg69]

I like your thinking. Yes, I remember the trees. A couple of medium sized pines. Not really big, maybe 8"-10" trunks, but enough for shade and privacy.

Dang! Why do people hate nature so much? And why do those darn garbagemen have to come so darned early???

Yep, you've got a good memory. They were volunteer pines that I was hoping would grow and give some privacy between the juicer and the school that was behind us. They also cut down the tree the developer put in the front yard, dang why do people hate nature so much? Lol

By the way, was that the exact title? Did I have dang and so much in there?

[Yadkin]

My God you can be an arrogant elitist douche bag.

There were once trees where:
Your house is
Where you shop
Where you go to the doc
Where you dine
Where you drive
Where your trash goes
Where your poop goes
Trees are harvested for lumber
Trees are harvested for pulp wood
Trees are harvested for electric poles
Farmers clear land of trees to cultivate and raise livestock
And yep, there were once trees before there were orange groves.

And no it’s not always old growth forest.
The government owns millions of acres of pristine natural foliage.

You are absolutely the typical government anti growth obstructionist prick.

Wise the **** up or shut the **** up.

Talk about irony: douchiness.

I've been visiting Floriduh for 40 years and what once was lush forest is now an arid dustbowl filled with cookie-cutter developments, condos where few live, shopping malls, and pavement.

[Yadkin]

:funnier:

Let's get V2.0 fired up, the doors were good for 1000 posts before!

Doug got upset when I pointed out likely no lateral support of the partial masonry walls in the basement.

[GTOguy]

Yep, you've got a good memory. They were volunteer pines that I was hoping would grow and give some privacy between the juicer and the school that was behind us. They also cut down the tree the developer put in the front yard, dang why do people hate nature so much? Lol

By the way, was that the exact title? Did I have dang and so much in there?

The exact title, in my memory, read "Dang, why do people hate nature so much?"

The 'dang' really made it stand out. Most action-packed thread Ever. Those who missed it really missed out.
I remember the damned white van parked on the sidewalk, too. :yesnod:

[Chemdawg69]

Doug got upset when I pointed out likely no lateral support of the partial masonry walls in the basement.

Upset? Uh ok lol no reason to project emotion.

I think I took this picture specifically for you lol

Well, here's another opportunity to share your brilliance, what exactly was wrong?

[Tikiman]

Arrogant Elitist Douchebag. Check.

Middle School Clown With a Backhoe. Check.

UD thread, started on the 15k thread premise. Check.

This thread is starting to deliver.:yesnod:

Only 14,928 posts to go.

[Chemdawg69]

They were busy with the chainsaws today! I think they went through another five chains lol

How long before the potted plant shows up on top of that stump?

[higgyburners]

My Favorite tree is Douglas Fir. :D

[Big bob]

Upset over absence of lateral load support.:Jeff '79: You can't make this shit up.:Jeff '79:


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[GTOguy]

Upset? Uh ok lol no reason to project emotion.

I think I took this picture specifically for you lol

Well, here's another opportunity to share your brilliance, what exactly was wrong?

Not enough raw sewage is seeping through the foundation. Yet. :cert:

[Big bob]

I was thinking more of too drunk and going in the corner. :leaving:

[jw38]

Small front yard and that root base looks like it was a mess. Taking out that tree would be an improvement to that place.

:iagree: Most likely, the roots were starting to destroy the cement pad to the left of the trees. If the homeowner removes the stumps and roots, and has the pad repoured, it could be a nice looking yard.



They were busy with the chainsaws today! I think they went through another five chains lol

How long before the potted plant shows up on top of that stump?

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Those houses are so close together, I can't determine whose property the trees are on.

[Yadkin]

Upset? Uh ok lol no reason to project emotion.

I think I took this picture specifically for you lol

Well, here's another opportunity to share your brilliance, what exactly was wrong?

Fill on the outside puts a lateral load on the concrete. What's resisting it?

[LATB]

Talk about irony: douchiness.

I've been visiting Floriduh for 40 years and what once was lush forest is now an arid dustbowl filled with cookie-cutter developments, condos where few live, shopping malls, and pavement.
Yeah, none of that in NC. :spdchk:

Approximately 31.22% of Florida's land area is currently designated for conservation purposes. This includes over 10.7 million acres of conservation lands

Approximately 11% of North Carolina's land area is protected. This equates to roughly 3.8 million acres, with 86.5% of this protected land being publicly owned

[Big bob]

You forget he carved out old growth forest.:Jeff '79:


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[Chemdawg69]

:iagree: Most likely, the roots were starting to destroy the cement pad to the left of the trees. If the homeowner removes the stumps and roots, and has the pad repoured, it could be a nice looking yard.

Those houses are so close together, I can't determine whose property the trees are on.

Our little section is four townhomes with two houses at the end. The remaining trees you see are technically on our direct neighbor's property.

[Chemdawg69]

Fill on the outside puts a lateral load on the concrete. What's resisting it?

Can you show me a picture of what it should look like? And when we litigated this the first time in 2022, did we establish that any part of the design was against code?

[Chemdawg69]

Our little section is four townhomes with two houses at the end. The remaining trees you see are technically on our direct neighbor's property.

Here's a better perspective.

[The_Dude]

5 chains? Was he using a Mattel chainsaw?

Or just really unskilled

[higgyburners]

Here's a better perspective.

Dang...perfect for a tree fort.

[Chemdawg69]

I was thinking more of too drunk and going in the corner. :leaving:

All joking aside, I can't remember if you were reading the thread and active back then but no joke, two houses up a fat dude and his family were shitting and pissing into the soil above me, for God knows how long.

Representative from the community builder got sketchy when I started asking questions. So yes, I did smell urine in the basement, and I believe this was where it came from.

[Chemdawg69]

More irony with the OG hate nature thread, the HOA just paid to cut down 4 pines that were dying, tops snapped off a few during the last hurricane.

[LATB]

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From that perspective it looks like the homeowner cut down the trees on his property and left the trees on the townhouse property.

He may not even own the property where the trees were cut down.
That’s an odd arrangement. Not sure if that’s all private or a county street?
I would love to see the plat of that subdivision.

[Chemdawg69]

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From that perspective it looks like the homeowner cut down the trees on his property and left the trees on the townhouse property.

I agree.

...He may not even own the property where the trees were cut down.

It's right in front of his house, who do you think owns it?

...That’s an odd arrangement. Not sure if that’s all private or a county street?
I would love to see the plat of that subdivision.

I'm pretty sure nothing back here is County owned or maintained. What do you need to analyze the plat and I'll PM it to you.

[LATB]

That area in front of his house could be a ROW.
If it’s all private (street and unpaved) then that area could be common and owned by the HOA.
The plat would show the boundaries between the lots and the ROW and/or the HOA property.

[Big bob]

Can you show me a picture of what it should look like? And when we litigated this the first time in 2022, did we establish that any part of the design was against code?


Here we go two wannabes going head to head. The Etch-a-Sketch vs the Yellow Pad.:Jeff '79:


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[Yadkin]

Can you show me a picture of what it should look like? And when we litigated this the first time in 2022, did we establish that any part of the design was against code?

It should look something like this, with rebar on the outside face, to prevent the wall from hinging at the slab. Here is the relevant section of NC Code, which is based on the International Code Council.

If it retains soil, then it is a retaining wall. If it supports a building, then the 4' exemption does not apply (but is what the builder would use as an excuse to build it without a design).

[Big bob]

All joking aside, I can't remember if you were reading the thread and active back then but no joke, two houses up a fat dude and his family were shitting and pissing into the soil above me, for God knows how long.

Representative from the community builder got sketchy when I started asking questions. So yes, I did smell urine in the basement, and I believe this was where it came from.


The fat dude and his family were shitting and pissing in your basement window?:confused5:

[Yadkin]

Yeah, none of that in NC. :spdchk:

We're not talking about hillbilly NC, but sophisticated, baller Floriduh. :D

[Yadkin]

Here's a better perspective.

They need to get gone. That cat looks like a friggin bobcat.

[Chemdawg69]

That area in front of his house could be a ROW.
If it’s all private (street and unpaved) then that area could be common and owned by the HOA.
The plat would show the boundaries between the lots and the ROW and/or the HOA property.

I don't know if this helps, but property lines on Zillow show it going all the way out to the main entrance road.

[Yadkin]

I don't know if this helps, but property lines on Zillow show it going all the way out to the main entrance road.

Those won't include easements.

[Chemdawg69]

They need to get gone. That cat looks like a friggin bobcat.

I agree, none of these trees coming down offends me. But I will miss the shade and ambience. That cat is Pretty Girl, my new buddy since I lost my 3 boys. She's the GF's cat and we take walks around the neighborhood.

She does, although, need to stay TF off the Stang. :toetap:

[Big bob]

Did you ask K.D. if it was OK for you to post her address?.

[Chemdawg69]

It should look something like this, with rebar on the outside face, to prevent the wall from hinging at the slab. Here is the relevant section of NC Code, which is based on the International Code Council.

If it retains soil, then it is a retaining wall. If it supports a building, then the 4' exemption does not apply (but is what the builder would use as an excuse to build it without a design).

OK thanks, that's a good start. But do you have a picture of what it should look like, an actual photo not a cross-section engineering draft? How could you tell from the picture I posted, I'll post it again, that something was wrong?

What should it look like?

[dvarapala]

That cat is Pretty Girl, my new buddy since I lost my 3 boys. She's the GF's cat and we take walks around the neighborhood.

She does, although, need to stay TF off the Stang. :toetap:

No coyotes in FL? Gators don't like the taste of *****? :shrug:

[Chemdawg69]

Did you ask K.D. if it was OK for you to post her address?.

Settle down Bob. Come visit me, I welcome you just like your phone calls, phone is on as well.

[Yadkin]

I agree, none of these trees coming down offends me. But I will miss the shade and ambience. That cat is Pretty Girl, my new buddy since I lost my 3 boys. She's the GF's cat and we take walks around the neighborhood.

She does, although, need to stay TF off the Stang. :toetap:

1. You need to park inside.
2. Position a motion alarm at the car.

My cat used to walk all over my '98, and that cured him quickly. :seasix:

[Chemdawg69]

No coyotes in FL? Gators don't like the taste of *****? :shrug:

The stray/feral cats around here are their own worst enemy, I have no idea if we have coyotes down here, I don't think so, maybe you can find something on YouTube and start a thread.

:waiting:

[John E]

The stray/feral cats around here are their own worst enemy, I have no idea if we have coyotes down here, I don't think so, maybe you can find something on YouTube and start a thread.

:waiting:

<insert Steve Carrol gif of "NO"> That'll be an hour and 5 min video!!! <SC gif - NO!>

edit: Hi Doug!!! Nice Camry! :D:rofl: J/K brother, I hope all's going great!

[Chemdawg69]

1. You need to park inside.

That would be great, can you draw up a fancy diagram on how I get the car inside the townhouse?

2. Position a motion alarm at the car.

My cat used to walk all over my '98, and that cured him quickly. :seasix:

It's fine, gave me an extra little workout and they don't appear to scratch it, actually my OCD washing it scratches it more than the cats lol

This was our newest socialized stray, who we named Doppel, relaxing on the rear this afternoon after I washed it, he's a good kid, we just had his balls chopped off and had to trap him in the house for four days, that was fun, said nobody lol

[Chemdawg69]

<insert Steve Carrol gif of "NO"> That'll be an hour and 5 min video!!! <SC gif - NO!>

My man, glad to have you here! I was thinking about some of our deep conversations we had way back then, oh boy your patience lol

[Yadkin]

OK thanks, that's a good start. But do you have a picture of what it should look like, an actual photo not a cross-section engineering draft? How could you tell from the picture I posted, I'll post it again, that something was wrong?

What should it look like?

A photo would not show you rebar inside the concrete.

I know it's wrong because I know contractors. If they can misinterpret Code and save a dollar or a minute then they will. I've already guessed at his excuse in the previous post.

Ask the contractor for a copy of the design for the wall. That will prove me right or wrong. But get ready to hear excuses, him say that I'm FOS, 'no one does that', 'its not going anywhere', whatever. I'll be a dollar right now that he will never produce a design by any design professional.

It may not tilt, depending on the soils. If it does, it will be several years most likely, in which case the contractor will claim its out of warranty, ignore your calls, if you hire a lawyer he'll hire one too. It will cost more in litigation to repair it and he knows it.

[Chemdawg69]

<insert Steve Carrol gif of "NO"> That'll be an hour and 5 min video!!! <SC gif - NO!>

edit: Hi Doug!!! Nice Camry! :D:rofl: J/K brother, I hope all's going great!

RE your edit, Camry? Playoffs? Lol bring your pink slip, my ecoboost would take you lol

[Big bob]

Settle down Bob. Come visit me, I welcome you just like your phone calls, phone is on as well.



No thank you. You should really learn some respect and try to control your fantasies. :sadangel:

https://youtu.be/_fHKulEjQ_Y?si=8P9jfbPHohvgteQy

[John E]

Good to see you brother :cert: *edited*

[Chemdawg69]

A photo would not show you rebar inside the concrete.

I know it's wrong because I know contractors. If they can misinterpret Code and save a dollar or a minute then they will. I've already guessed at his excuse in the previous post.

Ask the contractor for a copy of the design for the wall. That will prove me right or wrong. But get ready to hear excuses, him say that I'm FOS, 'no one does that', 'its not going anywhere', whatever. I'll be a dollar right now that he will never produce a design by any design professional.

It may not tilt, depending on the soils. If it does, it will be several years most likely, in which case the contractor will claim its out of warranty, ignore your calls, if you hire a lawyer he'll hire one too. It will cost more in litigation to repair it and he knows it.

And I think this is where we had our disconnect before, because from the photos I posted you had no idea what was on the inside.

Anyways it's a moot point, because we dumped Schitt's Creek, and broke even after fees. That shit basement also had radon, mold, and let's not forget the sewer issues where they had to pump it out and you could smell shit from the back porch.

But I think I can produce a photo showing rebar where you think there was none.

[Yadkin]

That would be great, can you draw up a fancy diagram on how I get the car inside the townhouse?



It's fine, gave me an extra little workout and they don't appear to scratch it, actually my OCD washing it scratches it more than the cats lol

This was our newest socialized stray, who we named Doppel, relaxing on the rear this afternoon after I washed it, he's a good kid, we just had his balls chopped off and had to trap him in the house for four days, that was fun, said nobody lol

Rule 1 of having a nice car: Get a house with a garage first.


In this case, keep his claws trimmed. Good on you for adopting a stray. :seasix:

[LATB]

I don't know if this helps, but property lines on Zillow show it going all the way out to the main entrance road.

The plat is in the county public records online. That Zillow picture is not detailed enough to show the ROW.

[Chemdawg69]

Rule 1 of having a nice car: Get a house with a garage first.

I agree wholeheartedly, I'll PM you the address where you can send the check to cover the difference so I can live my life based on your standard/means. Lol

In this case, keep his claws trimmed. Good on you for adopting a stray. :seasix:

How to tell if somebody's never owned a cat: they suggest trimming claws lol

[Chemdawg69]

The plat is in the county public records online. That Zillow picture is not detailed enough to show the ROW.

The online county public records show the same thing. :shrug:

[Chemdawg69]

Good to see you brother :cert: *edited*

Yes sir, we should chat by phone sometime, is that prophecy guy you referred me to still talking about the end times? :hide:

[LATB]

A photo would not show you rebar inside the concrete.

I know it's wrong because I know contractors. If they can misinterpret Code and save a dollar or a minute then they will. I've already guessed at his excuse in the previous post.

Ask the contractor for a copy of the design for the wall. That will prove me right or wrong. But get ready to hear excuses, him say that I'm FOS, 'no one does that', 'its not going anywhere', whatever. I'll be a dollar right now that he will never produce a design by any design professional.

It may not tilt, depending on the soils. If it does, it will be several years most likely, in which case the contractor will claim its out of warranty, ignore your calls, if you hire a lawyer he'll hire one too. It will cost more in litigation to repair it and he knows it.

Jeebus Mary and Fred what the ****.

[Chemdawg69]

Jeebus Mary and Fred what the ****.

Yadkin is at the top of Badass in my book, but I did not know he had x-ray vision lol

[LATB]

The online county public records show the same thing. :shrug:

I assume the property in question is number 34.
And that’s the plat.

[Chemdawg69]

No thank you. You should really learn some respect and try to control your fantasies. :sadangel:

https://youtu.be/_fHKulEjQ_Y?si=8P9jfbPHohvgteQy

Let's have some fun, call me for the third time. My number hasn't changed.

:waiting:

[Chemdawg69]

I assume the property in question is number 34.

Yes, 34.

We are the highlighted one, 19B.

[Yadkin]

And I think this is where we had our disconnect before, because from the photos I posted you had no idea what was on the inside.

Anyways it's a moot point, because we dumped Schitt's Creek, and broke even after fees. That shit basement also had radon, mold, and let's not forget the sewer issues where they had to pump it out and you could smell shit from the back porch.

But I think I can produce a photo showing rebar where you think there was none.

Go for it. I'd love to be proven wrong. Show me that contractor actually knew what he was doing, and hired a designer for that detail. Then built it according to the detail.

Bring back my faith in humanity that I have lost over a 45 year career. :waiting:

[Big bob]

Let's have some fun, call me for the third time. My number hasn't changed.

:waiting:


Damn now you're hearing things? And why would I have your number?:confused5:

[Yadkin]

I agree wholeheartedly, I'll PM you the address where you can send the check to cover the difference so I can live my life based on your standard/means. Lol



How to tell if somebody's never owned a cat: they suggest trimming claws lol

Don't bother begging me for cash. But that won't stop me from giving unsolicited wisdom. :Jeff '79:

[Yadkin]

The online county public records show the same thing. :shrug:

Gotta go to the registry of deeds at the county, and look for the plat of the development. Those should show easements.

[Yadkin]

Let's have some fun, call me for the third time. My number hasn't changed.

:waiting:

The prevert is calling you? Damn, you must have scarred him worse than I did. :seasix:

[Big bob]

Yes sir, we should chat by phone sometime, is that prophecy guy you referred me to still talking about the end times? :hide:


Hang up and answer the damn phone.


https://youtu.be/JUQviOxpGUA?si=EI5lu00LtaZpJfhr

[LATB]

Gotta go to the registry of deeds at the county, and look for the plat of the development. Those should show easements.

In Florida the county office of official records is where you will find the plat. It can be searched by book and page or subdivision name.

The plat will show the ROW and typically calls out ownership of the ROA.
The plat may note utility easements but easements are recorded separately.
Most easements and encroachments are better found on a property boundary survey.

Utility and access easements may be on the plat if the copy in the public records is an as-built document.

[Chemdawg69]

Damn now you're hearing things? And why would I have your number?:confused5:

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-16**, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.

[Chemdawg69]

Don't bother begging me for cash. But that won't stop me from giving unsolicited wisdom. :Jeff '79:

Seriously though, it seems like you're doing well, GoFundMe link incoming. Lol

[Chemdawg69]

Gotta go to the registry of deeds at the county, and look for the plat of the development. Those should show easements.

You've mistaken me for somebody who wants to leave the house to settle this, I really don't give a shit, but it makes for fun Folly lol

[LATB]

You've mistaken me for somebody who wants to leave the house to settle this, I really don't give a shit, but it makes for fun Folly lol

The plat is a click away.
But I don’t blame you if you don’t give a fuk.

[Big bob]

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-1674, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.

What the **** are you babbling about now? :slap: I believe you were the one making up stories. :slap:

[higgyburners]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hSuPXaYxf1U

[Chemdawg69]

The plat is a click away.
But I don’t blame you if you don’t give a fuk.

I think that's the image I posted

Can you go to the Orange County Florida site and tell me where I can find the plat. Just use any address.

[higgyburners]

This will be the Epic thread of all Epic threads.....

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[Chemdawg69]

What the **** are you babbling about now? :slap: I believe you were the one making up stories. :slap:

Call me, again.

[John E]

Yes sir, we should chat by phone sometime, is that prophecy guy you referred me to still talking about the end times? :hide: :seasix:

Yes, and it sure looks to me, based on prophecy understanding from listening and reading and praying, that it'll be coming up soon and very soon. Many do seem to now see it coming. I'm very glad now that I've continued to pay attention. That being said, for whatever that's worth, I also don't think I understand time completely! Heck, the Jehovah's Witness religion was sure it was happening, or going to happen somewhere around 1914. They were probably right about some very important markers we all should've seen, but they get/got "wiped out" by the powers that be, as totally crazy (like my modern hero Ron Paul)! And at the same time, that obviously not, was Jehovah's/Yahweh's timeline. I so wish I knew the proper pronunciation of our Father's and Saviour's names. Not sure I really want to know exactly what time it is either! GOD is good! Call if you "dare" brother Doug :D:cert:

[Chemdawg69]

Go for it. I'd love to be proven wrong. Show me that contractor actually knew what he was doing, and hired a designer for that detail. Then built it according to the detail.

Bring back my faith in humanity that I have lost over a 45 year career. :waiting:

Here's another series of photos I think I took specifically for this (regurgitated) debate. lol

You can clearly see in the photos that rebar is protruding from the same wall, ie lateral support. I think this is when you got "upset" and left the discussion. Lol

[Big bob]

Call me, again.

https://youtu.be/l3DYN_86Xss?si=oSty9uN889aF7Zb6

[higgyburners]

Here's another series of photos I think I took specifically for this (regurgitated) debate. lol

You can clearly see in the photos that rebar is protruding from the same wall, ie lateral support. I think this is when you got "upset" and left the discussion. Lol

Looks like lateral support to me.

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[Chemdawg69]

But I think I can produce a photo showing rebar where you think there was none.

Go for it. I'd love to be proven wrong. Show me that contractor actually knew what he was doing...

Cough.

[Big bob]

Looks like lateral support to me.

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[higgyburners]

Cough.

Lateral buddy smh.... Yadkin will eat this up. Horizontal force is what he is referring to the wall and foundation shift. Your vertical rebar shows that was taken care of.

[Chemdawg69]

Lateral buddy smh.... Yadkin will eat this up. Horizontal force is what he is referring to the wall and foundation shift. Your vertical rebar shows that was taken care of.

Whatever the terms, my career has consisted of cooking Philly cheesesteaks, selling used cars, and blathering about Corvettes, it doesn't matter what it takes if we get to the finish line together lol

[higgyburners]

Whatever the terms, my career has consisted of cooking Philly cheesesteaks, selling used cars, and blathering about Corvettes, it doesn't matter what it takes if we get to the finish line together lol

Yes..you won. Yadkin was proven wrong. :seasix: If they are good I'll take a Philly cheesesteak....:D

[Big bob]

Yes..you won. Yadkin was proven wrong. :seasix: If they are good I'll take a Philly cheesesteak....:D



Want sauce with that?

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[Yadkin]

Here's another series of photos I think I took specifically for this (regurgitated) debate. lol

You can clearly see in the photos that rebar is protruding from the same wall, ie lateral support. I think this is when you got "upset" and left the discussion. Lol

That's the footing, not the wall.

What you describe as being upset is probably me leaving the conversation since I was banned by Barney Fife.

[Yadkin]

Seriously though, it seems like you're doing well, GoFundMe link incoming. Lol

I've invested wisely, yes. And my monthly SS check is my car budget.

Oh, and I'm building a new garage, for a total of five spaces. This one will have height for one, possibly two, four posts for a potential total of 7. :D

[Yadkin]

You've mistaken me for somebody who wants to leave the house to settle this, I really don't give a shit, but it makes for fun Folly lol

No innerwebs by you? Larry gave you an excellent outline.

[Yadkin]

Cough.

That's a tie-in between the basement retaining wall and it's extension. Again, no evidence of lateral support.

[LATB]

I've invested wisely, yes. And my monthly SS check is my car budget.

Oh, and I'm building a new garage, for a total of five spaces. This one will have height for one, possibly two, four posts for a potential total of 7. :D

:rofl:

[LATB]

I think that's the image I posted

Can you go to the Orange County Florida site and tell me where I can find the plat. Just use any address.
Here:
https://www.occompt.com/161/Official-Records

Takes you here:
https://www.occompt.com/368/Search-Official-Records

Then here:
https://selfservice.or.occompt.com/ssweb/search/DOCSEARCH2950S1

Or here:
https://selfservice.or.occompt.com/ssweb/action/ACTIONGROUP2950S1

If I had an owners name or address I could find the subdivision plat.
The best would be if I had the name of the subdivision.

[Big bob]

He posted her address. I am not sure what she did to upset him or what I ever did in his delusional world. But I remember him telling the forum I am in prison posting and calling him. I guess I was in good company since God was texting him as well. The real funny part is some of his minions believe his ramblings. Prayers sent :sadangel:

[bsmith]

you have to physically go to the courthouse to request the plat map in my county.

GIS sites may or may not show easements/right of way...I deal with it every day.
Every site I have been to has a disclaimer about the accuracy...and for good reason.

My county site actually shows the parcel vs the R/W fairly well...just ignore the aerial imagery.

[bsmith]

Nature hates me.

Our neighborhood required at least one tree in the front yard.
We built in 2012 and I had a serviceberry tree planted.

Year two we had a massive hail storm come through, and the tree just stopped growing.
Didn't die, just wouldn't grow...at all.
Two years ago I had it replaced with another serviceberry tree.
Last year, we had another bad storm and it laid the tree over at a 45* angle.
I stood it back up, and it lives...but is not growing.

Damn thing is about to get replaced by a flag pole...

[Big bob]

My service tree stopped growing as well.:D

[LATB]

you have to physically go to the courthouse to request the plat map in my county.

GIS sites may or may not show easements/right of way...I deal with it every day.
Every site I have been to has a disclaimer about the accuracy...and for good reason.

Here you can search and download/print the plat from the official records website.

It would look something like this:

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[bsmith]

Here you can search and download/print the plat from the official records website.

It would look something like this:

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I'm familiar, I have a plat map of my neighborhood. :lol:
We're just behind the times, and it's not all available online yet.

[GTOguy]

Yadkin is at the top of Badass in my book, but I did not know he had x-ray vision lol

Well now you do.
:cert:

[GTOguy]

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-1674, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.
:waiting:

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[Chemdawg69]

He posted her address. I am not sure what she did to upset him or what I ever did in his delusional world. But I remember him telling the forum I am in prison posting and calling him. I guess I was in good company since God was texting him as well. The real funny part is some of his minions believe his ramblings. Prayers sent :sadangel:

Only people who have something to hide worry about that shit.

What's your name? Phone is still open today.

:waiting:

[Chemdawg69]

Here:
https://www.occompt.com/161/Official-Records

Takes you here:
https://www.occompt.com/368/Search-Official-Records

Then here:
https://selfservice.or.occompt.com/ssweb/search/DOCSEARCH2950S1

Or here:
https://selfservice.or.occompt.com/ssweb/action/ACTIONGROUP2950S1

If I had an owners name or address I could find the subdivision plat.
The best would be if I had the name of the subdivision.

Thanks, I'll play around with that later today and see if I can find anything.

[GTOguy]

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[bsmith]

Only people who have something to hide worry about that shit.

What's your name? Phone is still open today.

:waiting:

I've never been so tempted to text UD. :lol:

[Chemdawg69]

I've never been so tempted to text UD. :lol:

Do it! Of course, that will mean I have your number lol

[Tikiman]

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[bsmith]

Do it! Of course, that will mean I have your number lol

100% the reason I have never done it. :lol:

[Big bob]

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Attacking me with your ignorance then getting upset when I point it out to you.:sadangel:

[Big bob]

100% the reason I have never done it. :lol:


He appears to be looking for his next free place to stay.:sadangel:

[Big bob]

Good job, now you've escalated to doxxing with more personal jabs.


You post information then blame others for your ignorance. You can't make this shit up. :confused5:

Then begging for my information after posting your bullshit. :confused5:

I see you have your minion's carrying on your agenda.

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[GTOguy]

And Happy Easter to you, Large Robert! Is it spring up in Michigan yet??:)

[Big bob]

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-16**, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.


Very interesting that number comes back with many others as posted along with aliases. What kind of troll scam are you doing now?

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[GTOguy]

:)

[dvarapala]

Did you ask K.D. if it was OK for you to post her address?.

I brought this up with Doug a few months ago. He basically said that everyone knows where they live anyway, so he's not gonna bother to try to prevent being doxxed. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

Rule 1 of having a nice car: Get a house with a garage first.

That presumes that Doug has a nice car. :leaving:

[dvarapala]

Go for it. I'd love to be proven wrong.

Funny, you haven't loved it in the past.

What's changed? :shrug:

[Unsuspicious]

Quite a lot of people park their $60k+ cars outside while they store a couple hundred dollars worth of xmas decor and other junk in the garage :shrug:

[dvarapala]

Yadkin is at the top of Badass in my book, but I did not know he had x-ray vision lol

Thanks GTODoug. :rolleyes:

[dvarapala]

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-16**, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.

When he calls you record it so AI can clone his voice. :D

[dvarapala]

Call me, again.

StKVS0eI85I

[dvarapala]

Very interesting that number comes back with many others as posted along with aliases. What kind of troll scam are you doing now?

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You suck at the doxxing.

[LATB]

Quite a lot of people park their $60k+ cars outside while they store a couple hundred dollars worth of xmas decor and other junk in the garage :shrug:

And most would rather see their neighbors 60K car instead of a couple hundred dollars worth of junk in the driveway.

[Big bob]

Settle down Bob. Come visit me, I welcome you just like your phone calls, phone is on as well.

Yes sir, we should chat by phone sometime, is that prophecy guy you referred me to still talking about the end times? :hide:

Let's have some fun, call me for the third time. My number hasn't changed.

:waiting:

OK sorry, so you don't have it, here it is 770-539-16**, call me. Instead of this behind the keyboard drama as you keep taking shots at me, let's settle this once and for all.

:waiting:

Although you do realize, once we talk I'll realize you're the same person who's called me two times before, right? The person who hung up on me when I asked him to tell me his name. Who calls somebody and hangs up when they ask you to tell them your real name? I know who.

Seriously though, it seems like you're doing well, GoFundMe link incoming. Lol

You've mistaken me for somebody who wants to leave the house to settle this, I really don't give a shit, but it makes for fun Folly lol

I think that's the image I posted

Can you go to the Orange County Florida site and tell me where I can find the plat. Just use any address.

Call me, again.

Cough.

Whatever the terms, my career has consisted of cooking Philly cheesesteaks, selling used cars, and blathering about Corvettes, it doesn't matter what it takes if we get to the finish line together lol

Only people who have something to hide worry about that shit.

What's your name? Phone is still open today.

:waiting:

Thanks, I'll play around with that later today and see if I can find anything.

Do it! Of course, that will mean I have your number lol

You suck at the doxxing.


Doxxing:confused5: I goggled an obvious deranged individual phone number that he gave me. He has been posting shit about me and my family it appears he has some loyal simple minded minions followers.

[Chemdawg69]

Doxxing:confused5: I goggled an obvious deranged individual phone number that he gave me. He has been posting shit about me and my family it appears he has some loyal simple minded minions followers.

"Bob", you posted my girlfriend's number, for starters. Let's just let management take care of it.

[dvarapala]

He appears to be looking for his next free place to stay.:sadangel:

3 hots and a cot? :shrug:

[Big bob]

"Bob", you posted my girlfriend's number, for starters. Let's just let management take care of it.


What are you babbling about now. I goggled the scam number you gave me. It came back with many of your aliases names, numbers and addresses don't blame me for your actions. And stop posting shit about me and my family. I have no idea how sick of a individual has to be to do this to someone they never met and then play the victim get help.

[Yadkin]

:rofl:

3+2=5

[Yadkin]

Nature hates me.

Our neighborhood required at least one tree in the front yard.
We built in 2012 and I had a serviceberry tree planted.

Year two we had a massive hail storm come through, and the tree just stopped growing.
Didn't die, just wouldn't grow...at all.
Two years ago I had it replaced with another serviceberry tree.
Last year, we had another bad storm and it laid the tree over at a 45* angle.
I stood it back up, and it lives...but is not growing.

Damn thing is about to get replaced by a flag pole...

Put up a cell tower dressed up as a tree.

[Big bob]

I brought this up with Doug a few months ago. He basically said that everyone knows where they live anyway, so he's not gonna bother to try to prevent being doxxed. :yesnod:


Let me get this right his own mother had to kick him out because he disrespected her privacy as well along with endangering her life with a gun. Now he has accused me of calling him and posting from prison. Now he is disrespecting someone else's home and privacy while begging me to call him. Am I the only one that sees a pattern here? Go ahead Doug or whoever you are burn another bridge but you're not living off me. I can see in her face how happy she is with you. Prayers sent :sadangel:

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[Yadkin]

Yadkin is at the top of Badass in my book, but I did not know he had x-ray vision lol

I've been in the business a long time. Contractors are very creative at cutting corners. My guess is your guy had no clue about the Code I referenced. Again, prove me wrong.

[Yadkin]

Funny, you haven't loved it in the past.

What's changed? :shrug:

You having a different opinion than me, or not understanding the crux of the issue, doesn't prove me wrong.

[Yadkin]

And most would rather see their neighbors 60K car instead of a couple hundred dollars worth of junk in the driveway.

Point. :seasix:

[Chemdawg69]

I've been in the business a long time. Contractors are very creative at cutting corners. My guess is your guy had no clue about the Code I referenced. Again, prove me wrong.

It's not my job to prove your accusation. Burden of proof is on the accuser, as you know. :shrug:

[SurfnSun]

Let me get this right his own mother had to kick him out because he disrespected her privacy as well along with endangering her life with a gun. Now he has accused me of calling him and posting from prison. Now he is disrespecting someone else's home and privacy while begging me to call him. Am I the only one that sees a pattern here? Go ahead Doug or whoever you are burn another bridge but you're not living off me. I can see in her face how happy she is with you. Prayers sent :sadangel:



Seriously….this forum would be a better place if you weren’t here.

[Big bob]

It's not my job to prove your accusation. Burden of proof is on the accuser, as you know. :shrug:



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[ricks327]

And most would rather see their neighbors 60K car instead of a couple hundred dollars worth of junk in the driveway.

A lot of truth in that statement.

[Chemdawg69]

Let me get this right his own mother had to kick him out because he disrespected her privacy as well along with endangering her life with a gun. Now he has accused me of calling him and posting from prison. Now he is disrespecting someone else's home and privacy while begging me to call him. Am I the only one that sees a pattern here? Go ahead Doug or whoever you are burn another bridge but you're not living off me. I can see in her face how happy she is with you. Prayers sent :sadangel:

128486

Your escalation and once again invoking my girlfriend leads me to believe that we're right over the target.

The irony is I have 0% evidence that you are the man who killed his friend, that was anal Andy who outed you because you went after him.

That being said, I'm 100% certain that you are antfarmer2, and that you called me twice from a Hidden number and hung up when I called you out for not telling me your name.

[MY03C5Z]

:waiting:

[Vandelay Industries]

:waiting:

:waiting::waiting:

[Chemdawg69]

Back on topic, dug up the original photos lol

[GTOguy]

Your escalation and once again invoking my girlfriend leads me to believe that we're right over the target.

The irony is I have 0% evidence that you are the man who killed his friend, that was anal Andy who outed you because you went after him.

That being said, I'm 100% certain that you are antfarmer2, and that you called me twice from a Hidden number and hung up when I called you out for not telling me your name.

The timeline and posts on the skid steer forum , along with judyrecords clearly show Antfarmer2 was involved in a fatal dui in May 2015. The correlation between Antfarmer2 and Big Bob has been established through multiple posts on three forums. That said , Antfarmer/Big Bob’s tenacity at not giving any information at any time over multiple posts is admirable. Big Bob is street smart and extremely cunning.

[Y2Kvert4me]

He has been posting shit about me and my family Can you please link or direct me to any posts that support this claim?

If you previously participated here with the name Antfarmer2, well then yeah I could totally understand why you might feel that way.

But since you claim to NOT be AF2, now I'm genuinely curious who and when someone here learned (and posted) anything regarding the identity of you and/or your family. :confused5:

[GTOguy]

Can you please link or direct me to any posts that support this claim?

If you previously participated here with the name Antfarmer2, well then yeah I could totally understand why you might feel that way.

But since you claim to NOT be AF2, now I'm genuinely curious who and when someone here learned (and posted) anything regarding the identity of you and/or your family. :confused5:

Big Bob has never claimed not to be Antfarmer2. He simply hasn’t admitted it. And , to his credit , he has not slipped an inch. He’s highly intelligent, in spite of his presentation to us here on the forum.

[higgyburners]

Dial it back boys.....:rofl:

[IB4TL]

The timeline and posts on the skid steer forum , along with judyrecords clearly show Antfarmer2 was involved in a fatal dui in May 2015. The correlation between Antfarmer2 and Big Bob has been established through multiple posts on three forums. That said , Antfarmer/Big Bob’s tenacity at not giving any information at any time over multiple posts is admirable. Big Bob is street smart and extremely cunning.

Big Bob has never claimed not to be Antfarmer2. He simply hasn’t admitted it. And , to his credit , he has not slipped an inch. He’s highly intelligent, in spite of his presentation to us here on the forum.

You support, compliment & adore the oddest people :skia:

[Yadkin]

It's not my job to prove your accusation. Burden of proof is on the accuser, as you know. :shrug:

Not in the case of inspecting construction. For example, if the contractor pours concrete before the inspector has a chance to inspect rebar placement, the inspector should fail that portion of the work. It is now up to the contractor to prove that he build in accordance with the Code, or plans that supercede the Code.

Do you have copy of the building plans with a detail showing that section of wall? That's all the proof that you need here to "win" the argument.

[Yadkin]

Seriously….this forum would be a better place if you weren’t here.

*world
*you and others like you

[Yadkin]

The timeline and posts on the skid steer forum , along with judyrecords clearly show Antfarmer2 was involved in a fatal dui in May 2015. The correlation between Antfarmer2 and Big Bob has been established through multiple posts on three forums. That said , Antfarmer/Big Bob’s tenacity at not giving any information at any time over multiple posts is admirable. Big Bob is street smart and extremely cunning.

No, he's just an asshole who won't admit who has done something that he is deeply ashamed of and refuses to take responsibility.

[Yadkin]

Can you please link or direct me to any posts that support this claim?

If you previously participated here with the name Antfarmer2, well then yeah I could totally understand why you might feel that way.

But since you claim to NOT be AF2, now I'm genuinely curious who and when someone here learned (and posted) anything regarding the identity of you and/or your family. :confused5:

:waiting:

[Yadkin]

Big Bob has never claimed not to be Antfarmer2. He simply hasn’t admitted it. And , to his credit , he has not slipped an inch. He’s highly intelligent, in spite of his presentation to us here on the forum.

RONGo again. It takes no intelligence to refuse to take responsibility for your actions.

[LATB]

Not in the case of inspecting construction. For example, if the contractor pours concrete before the inspector has a chance to inspect rebar placement, the inspector should fail that portion of the work. It is now up to the contractor to prove that he build in accordance with the Code, or plans that supercede the Code.

Do you have copy of the building plans with a detail showing that section of wall? That's all the proof that you need here to "win" the argument.

How would a copy of the building plans prove it was done according to the plans?

[Yadkin]

How would a copy of the building plans prove it was done according to the plans?

It doesn't prove, but provides evidence. My assertion is that the builder had no clue that the Code that I referenced existed, or knew and pretended not to. If he had adhered to the Code, then the plans should have a "design" addressing it.

[LATB]

It doesn't prove, but provides evidence. My assertion is that the builder had no clue that the Code that I referenced existed, or knew and pretended not to.
How could you possibly know that?

If he had adhered to the Code, then the plans should have a "design" addressing it.
You don't have any evidence that he didn't.

[Tikiman]

I've been in the business a long time. Contractors are very creative at cutting corners. My guess is your guy had no clue about the Code I referenced. Again, prove me wrong.


Back when I still lived in civilization, I was building a deck attached to my house. Being in a subdivision, I had to pull a permit for the work. When the county inspector came out to inspect my post holes prior to me pouring concrete, he told me that they were fine, but I had to remove an empty beer can from one of them. I explained to him that it was "West Virginia rebar".


It was on that day that I discovered that county inspectors had absolutely no sense of humor at all.

[Budman]

And most would rather see their neighbors 60K car instead of rock in the driveway.

Fixt

[Big bob]

:waiting::waiting:


:waiting::waiting::waiting:

[Yadkin]

How could you possibly know that?

You don't have any evidence that he didn't.

45 years experience working with contractors is how I know that. Plans showing a designed detail would be evidence- and that's what I'm asking for.

[Big bob]

It sounds like for 45 years you work for those that only can afford substandard. :Jeff '79:

[Chemdawg69]

Not in the case of inspecting construction. For example, if the contractor pours concrete before the inspector has a chance to inspect rebar placement, the inspector should fail that portion of the work. It is now up to the contractor to prove that he build in accordance with the Code, or plans that supercede the Code.

Perhaps, but you're not an inspector on site, you're a guy on the Internet.

...Do you have copy of the building plans with a detail showing that section of wall? That's all the proof that you need here to "win" the argument.

Again, it's not my job to provide any data to win your argument/contention.

[Big bob]

Perhaps, but you're not an inspector on site, you're a guy on the Internet.



Again, it's not my job to provide any data to win your argument/contention.



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[Chemdawg69]

...He has been posting shit about me and my family it appears he has some loyal simple minded minions followers.

Can you please link or direct me to any posts that support this claim?

If you previously participated here with the name Antfarmer2, well then yeah I could totally understand why you might feel that way.

But since you claim to NOT be AF2, now I'm genuinely curious who and when someone here learned (and posted) anything regarding the identity of you and/or your family. :confused5:

Exactly. His claim that I've gone after him and his family can only be remotely true if big Bob is antfarmer.

So he's in a bit of a pickle, he wants to stand up for himself, and the perceived attack against his now deceased wife, but to do so would reveal he is a formerly banned member.

So because I outed him in the thread below, he just lashes out and goes through cycles of taking shots at me. The most egregious in this thread was (old post 168), where he posted my girlfriend's phone number.

And for the record, I didn't go after his wife, I simply connected the dots of him talking about her cataract surgery and how she like to play bingo both here at the barn and over there at CFOT.

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133081

[GTOguy]

I had a friend here in CA that had to tear out new concrete to get a pass from the inspector. He jumped the gun and thought no big deal. Not the whole piece, but a portion of it to show thickness. I am just a guy on the internet, though.

[Tikiman]

Exactly. His claim that I've gone after him and his family can only be remotely true if big Bob is antfarmer.

So he's in a bit of a pickle, he wants to stand up for himself, and the perceived attack against his now deceased wife, but to do so would reveal he is a formerly banned member.

So because I outed him in the thread below, he just lashes out and goes through cycles of taking shots at me. The most egregious in this thread was (old post 168), where he posted my girlfriend's phone number.

And for the record, I didn't go after his wife, I simply connected the dots of him talking about her cataract surgery and how she like to play bingo both here at the barn and over there at CFOT.

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133081



Forgot about that thread. You hit that nail squarely on the head. No questions.

[SurfnSun]

*world
*you and others like you

I'm not a fan of wishing death on others.

I'm also not a fan of his ridiculousness. He could just leave and no one would miss him IMO...I'll just stick to this forum.

[Yadkin]

Perhaps, but you're not an inspector on site, you're a guy on the Internet.



Again, it's not my job to provide any data to win your argument/contention.

Moot point, since it's an inspection issue.

As I have stipulated, you could easily "win" this argument by providing some evidence of a design in accordance with the code. You can't so are making excuses.

This is exactly the same as your situation with AntFarmer. You are rightly claiming victory on that... :waiting:

[LATB]

45 years experience working with contractors is how I know that. Plans showing a designed detail would be evidence- and that's what I'm asking for.

Again, plans showing a designed detail is only evidence that someone did a design detail.

Your experience regardless how long is zero evidence that the contractor did not follow the approved plans.

[Yadkin]

the perceived attack against his now deceased wife


Interesting. This is also Big Bob's excuse for following me around since November 2022.

More evidence to support your assertion that Big Bob = Antfarmer = drunk = killer.

:Jeff '79::Jeff '79::Jeff '79::Jeff '79:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129451&highlight=foot&page=11

[Yadkin]

Again, plans showing a designed detail is only evidence that someone did a design detail.

Your experience regardless how long is zero evidence that the contractor did not follow the approved plans.

Again, all Doug has to do is provide that detail in order to "win" this argument. It's a pretty low bar...

[LATB]

As I have stipulated, you could easily "win" this argument by providing some evidence of a design in accordance with the code. You can't so are making excuses.


Do you think for one second that a large tract home builder does not have approved plans in accordance with the code?
Answer: of course they do.

Now, is every design detail carried out exactly as drawn (or at all, your contention), you don’t know and Doug doesn’t know.

The only “evidence” is did the home pass the necessary inspections during construction. And in particular the things that you can not see.
And, if the house received a C/O the whole story is over.

[dvarapala]

Big Bob has never claimed not to be Antfarmer2. He simply hasn’t admitted it. And , to his credit , he has not slipped an inch. He’s highly intelligent, in spite of his presentation to us here on the forum.

If they served alcohol in prison he would PUI out a lot of truth. ;)

[LATB]

Again, all Doug has to do is provide that detail in order to "win" this argument. It's a pretty low bar...

Doug is not going to provide that detail because Doug likely doesn’t have that detail. And if he did it proves nothing that you are asking for.

The only conclusive evidence that would prove what you want would be documented pictures before and during the footers and wall concrete pours.
And that’s not happening.

[Chemdawg69]

Moot point, since it's an inspection issue.

As I have stipulated, you could easily "win" this argument by providing some evidence of a design in accordance with the code. You can't so are making excuses...

I have no desire to "win" an argument you contrived based on a hunch. You've made a claim that you have no way of proving.

[Chemdawg69]

This is exactly the same as your situation with AntFarmer...

No it isn't, I had a hunch that big Bob was antfarmer, then I went out and found the data to prove it.

[Yadkin]

Do you think for one second that a large tract home builder does not have approved plans in accordance with the code?
Answer: of course they do.

Now, is every design detail carried out exactly as drawn (or at all, your contention), you don’t know and Doug doesn’t know.

The only “evidence” is did the home pass the necessary inspections during construction. And in particular the things that you can not see.
And, if the house received a C/O the whole story is over.

If he has such plans, let's see them.

[Yadkin]

I have no desire to "win" an argument you contrived based on a hunch. You've made a claim that you have no way of proving.

No it isn't, I had a hunch that big Bob was antfarmer, then I went out and found the data to prove it.

I've seen this same situation dozens of times and none of the contractors got it right. That's my evidence.

[Chemdawg69]

I've seen this same situation dozens of times and none of the contractors got it right. That's my evidence.

I know you've posted about your experience in court, so am I to believe that if you were on the stand as a expert witness, and you were there on the behalf of your client who is suing a contractor, that the court would accept this:

"I've seen it before therefore I'm 100% certain my client's contractor got it wrong..."

Is the court to understand that you have not examined inside the wall?

"Correct, your honor."

[Chemdawg69]

If he has such plans, let's see them.

Again, it's not the defendant's job to prove the plaintiff's case.

[dvarapala]

I've seen this same situation dozens of times and none of the contractors got it right. That's my evidence.

* anecdotal

[Vandelay Industries]

Somebody's begging to be overruled! :lol:

[GTOguy]

I've seen this same situation dozens of times and none of the contractors got it right. That's my evidence.

That's not your evidence. That's your experience.

Which may or may not be the case here. You don't know. None of us do.

[Yadkin]

I know you've posted about your experience in court, so am I to believe that if you were on the stand as a expert witness, and you were there on the behalf of your client who is suing a contractor, that the court would accept this:

"I've seen it before therefore I'm 100% certain my client's contractor got it wrong..."

Is the court to understand that you have not examined inside the wall?

"Correct, your honor."

We're not in court. But if we were, I'd say that I've never seen a contractor get this right, so I have a hunch that this one didn't. But, since the Code requires him to have a design, and he has yet to come forward with one, the preponderance of evidence suggests that he never had one. :yesnod:

[Yadkin]

* anecdotal

A pattern observed by an expert with 45 years experience. :yesnod:

[LATB]

If he has such plans, let's see them.

Ok
Let’s say hypothetically he has the plans. [he doesn’t]

And the plans show the design detail that you are looking for…

What does that prove?

[Yadkin]

That's not your evidence. That's your experience.

Which may or may not be the case here. You don't know. None of us do.

As an experienced professional in the field, my observations are evidence. :yesnod:

[Yadkin]

Ok
Let’s say hypothetically he has the plans. [he doesn’t]

And the plans show the design detail that you are looking for…

What does that prove?

Again, it's not about proof. It's about providing some conflicting evidence. If he can, then he "wins".

[LATB]

We're not in court. But if we were, I'd say that I've never seen a contractor get this right, so I have a hunch that this one didn't. But, since the Code requires him to have a design, and he has yet to come forward with one, the preponderance of evidence suggests that he never had one. :yesnod:

And if we were in court I’d say that you have a long history of bias against contractors, and I have never seen a contractor get this wrong, so I have a hunch that your bias is driving your position.

[LATB]

Again, it's not about proof. It's about providing some conflicting evidence. If he can, then he "wins".

You have moved onto troll mode because you know that if he had the plans it proves nothing.