OUTRAGEOUS! Our electric bill is 965.00 for one month!!!

[Don Rickles]

This is just out of hand! I have had supplemental heat burning a wood stove the entire time too....

Our Geothermal has to go, I need to get on this problem.....

What's your bill?

[Tikiman]

Last bill was $408. And that's with three zones, five freezers, three refrigerators, two water heaters, a hot tub, and a 1,000 watt HPS light running 16 hours a day for my Trainwreck garden.

[Don Rickles]

Last bill was $408. And that's with three zones, five freezers, three refrigerators, two water heaters, a hot tub, and a 1,000 watt HPS light running 16 hours a day for my Trainwreck garden.

Wow, I have three split zones too. We keep the house down as low as possible I freeze most days in here....this does have me pissed off......

My garage apt. has electric baseboard heat the monthly there is 600.00!!! My son and his SO and a 5 year old.

I'm calling the company, it's nuts!

[markids77]

1900SF all electric but in Savannah... however we still have patches of snow from last week's Snowmageddon,,, (we got a whole 3 inches).:leaving:
Anyway, bill for December was $180.

[Bruze]

This is just out of hand! I have had supplemental heat burning a wood stove the entire time too....

Our Geothermal has to go, I need to get on this problem.....

What's your bill?

They run $75-85, at around 11.5¢ per kWH, which varies but not by a whole lot.

But it's just for lights, TV, water pump, softener, water heater, fridge.

What are you paying per kWH? What is your bill normally?

[Don Rickles]

They run $75-85, at around 11.5¢ per kWH, which varies but not by a whole lot.

But it's just for lights, TV, water pump, softener, water heater.

What are you paying per kWH? What is your bill normally?

I'll have to get back with the cost per kwH. Our bill of course varies thru the seasons. This is without question the highest bill of all time. And the colder temps will be on next months bill so I have to expect it to be even higher. This kind of pricing is no way going to fit into our retirement budget....

[GTOguy]

$468.87. Total gas and electricity.

2200 sf 1966 built house with dual pane windows and upgraded insulation and ceramic tile roofing.

+ 1800 sf shop that isn't being used much at this time.

[Yadkin]

Electric bill last month was the highests it's ever been, $233. We pay 13 cents/ KWH. We heat with propane- last month was $702.

[Don Rickles]

Got wacked with a propane bill too this morning for 700.00 just the kitchen range and shop heater.....:slap:

[The_Dude]

First world problems

[Mike Mercury]

https://www.picturepunches.com/images/memes/346271.jpg

[MadInNc]

Elec. $300 at .11kwh. Used 2kwh but over $50 in special fees now. House 3.5 kft.

Did change lower Ho to Gas HVAC and saved over 800 kWh from last year but will spend ~$200 in gas for Jan as worst month

3 fridge, ice machine running full time plus lots of electric shit WH is gas and stove top also

[PLRX]

My bill is $68

Your bill seems accurate; to lower it, stop using the computer.

[6spdC6]

My WINTER electric bill about $100 a month. + propane forced hot air furnace in a highly insulated house. I live in the mountains of northern NY and it can get dammed cold up here!

I worked alongside many electricians on many construction jobs and most all of them said no way will I heat my house with electricity.

[PLRX]

My WINTER electric bill about $100 a month. + propane forced hot air furnace in a highly insulated house. I live in the mountains of northern NY and it can get dammed cold up here!

I worked alongside many electricians on many construction jobs and most all of them said no way will I heat my house with electricity.

:iagree:

Thats a no-go

[Onebadcad]

At 14 cents/kwh, with very little cooling and heating needed the past 30 days, I will estimate my yet-to-be-seen bill at under $100.

I NEVER use heat, as the coils stink like arse when you do not have a heat pump.
I NEVER turn the ac on downstairs, the fan is fine with me.
I do set the air at 75 upstairs when I go to bed.

If your bill is too high, go to www.OBCyouareanidiot.com for helpful tips.

[Don Rickles]

$468.87. Total gas and electricity.

2200 sf 1966 built house with dual pane windows and upgraded insulation and ceramic tile roofing.

+ 1800 sf shop that isn't being used much at this time.

If you have so much distain for Rickles, why would you post in any of his threads or join in any of his conversations?

You’re not welcome in my threads

[Don Rickles]

:iagree:

Thats a no-go

Back in 1990 when I restored this old house, I was very reluctant to put any type of a flame in the building. I was also trying to make a move to protect the environment going with that geothermal system. Now 35 years later, the system is failing is all I can assume.

I’m also somewhat unschooled on how much propane would be used if I were to switch to LP. It’s an old old stone building with a lot of drafty holes

[BRUIZER]

Propane HVAC (as well as all propane appliances).
Propane Napolian fireplace/heater.
Avg $100/mo annually.

[dvarapala]

Under $200 last month, and that includes charging Baby Droll's Bolt. :yesnod:

[PLRX]

If you have so much distain for Rickles, why would you post in any of his threads or join in any of his conversations?

You’re not welcome in my threads

Wow, it doesn't get any woker than that. You sound like an accurate female CNN TV ****.

[Don Rickles]

Wow, it doesn't get any woker than that. You sound like an accurate female CNN TV ****.


Do you read the garbage that he posts towards Rickles?

[Bruze]

Do you read the garbage that he posts towards Rickles?

No I haven't, where? :confused:

Is he trashing you or the REAL Rickles? :island14:

[Yadkin]

Do you read the garbage that he posts towards Rickles?

You need:
1. better insulation
2. thicker skin

[Bruze]

First world problems

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimgix.ranker.com%2Fuser_node_img%2F50032%2F1000625440%2Foriginal%2Fearring-scratching-i-phone-photo-u1%3Fw%3D650%26q%3D50%26fm%3Dpjpg%26fit%3Dcrop%26crop%3Dfaces&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=7ab850c92a4b4b416dab58f96f6bcdbf97c923c45e33b19ee7d9921c239531e2&ipo=images

[Don Rickles]

No I haven't, where? :confused:

Is he trashing you or the REAL Rickles? :island14:

Yeah, he’s got a hard one for Rickles. You do know he’s a serious freak, right

[Don Rickles]

You need:
1. better insulation
2. thicker skin

Here’s something I found quite interesting. When I restore the house, I framed 2 x 4 walls on all the exterior insulated the shit out of it leaving one chair space between the old plaster and framing. The house was literally an icebox! Since then, I reboot all the framing around the exterior wall on the second floor in the stone area, expose the stone and pointed all the mortar. The improvement was unexpected, but the house stayed warmer. I can only assume that the stone absorbs the summer or the sun heat and retains it bringing it into the building. I will however call the contractor out and have the crawlspace areas re-insulated.

How many sweatshirts can I wear?

[Bruze]

My WINTER electric bill about $100 a month. + propane forced hot air furnace in a highly insulated house. I live in the mountains of northern NY and it can get dammed cold up here!

I worked alongside many electricians on many construction jobs and most all of them said no way will I heat my house with electricity.

What was it there last Wednesday morning?

It was -12 here, -20 in Saranac Lake. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saranac_Lake%2C_New_York) :smash:

[MikeB]

My WINTER electric bill about $100 a month. + propane forced hot air furnace in a highly insulated house. I live in the mountains of northern NY and it can get dammed cold up here!

I worked alongside many electricians on many construction jobs and most all of them said no way will I heat my house with electricity.

:iagree:

Thats a no-go
I wouldn't use electric either but didn't have the choice.
I had my house in Upstate NY built in 1975.
Natural Gas was already buried in the lot, but there was a moratorium
at that time not allowing for gas heat.
Electric base board was the alternative my builder (Ryan Homes) used
at the time.
I looked at a model home that was using fuel oil heat, but the
house smelled badly from the fuel exhaust.

[IB4TL]

Under $200 last month, and that includes charging Baby Droll's Bolt. :yesnod:

:Jeff '79:

[Yadkin]

Here’s something I found quite interesting. When I restore the house, I framed 2 x 4 walls on all the exterior insulated the shit out of it leaving one chair space between the old plaster and framing. The house was literally an icebox! Since then, I reboot all the framing around the exterior wall on the second floor in the stone area, expose the stone and pointed all the mortar. The improvement was unexpected, but the house stayed warmer. I can only assume that the stone absorbs the summer or the sun heat and retains it bringing it into the building. I will however call the contractor out and have the crawlspace areas re-insulated.

How many sweatshirts can I wear?

Insulated with what? 3-1/2" of fiberglass batt is R13. And over time it tends to settle.

Here we do 2x6 walls and do a minimum R of 19 for walls, 38 for ceilings or roofs. That's what I did in 2005 with the original 2200sf house.

My addition, I did full depth closed cell spray foam on 2x6 walls and 2x10's for the roof. Foam has an R of 7 per inch, so I have R38 walls and R60 roof.

Huge difference between the two sections. My master suite stays comfortable with heat from the bathroom, 1/2 of the floor plus a towel bar.

[Bruze]

I wouldn't use electric either but didn't have the choice.
I had my house in Upstate NY built in 1975.
Natural Gas was already buried in the lot, but there was a moratorium
at that time not allowing for gas heat.
Electric base board was the alternative my builder (Ryan Homes) used
at the time.
I looked at a model home that was using fuel oil heat, but the
house smelled badly from the fuel exhaust.

A lot of people around here use oil, it's often the cheapest heat depending on Washington politics. If the house smelled of fumes, then the furnace/chimney was ****ed up.

But it's not cheaper than coal. :)


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[Yadkin]

I wouldn't use electric either but didn't have the choice.
I had my house in Upstate NY built in 1975.
Natural Gas was already buried in the lot, but there was a moratorium
at that time not allowing for gas heat.
Electric base board was the alternative my builder (Ryan Homes) used
at the time.
I looked at a model home that was using fuel oil heat, but the
house smelled badly from the fuel exhaust.

That's ****ed up.

[Don Rickles]

Insulated with what? 3-1/2" of fiberglass batt is R13. And over time it tends to settle.

Here we do 2x6 walls and do a minimum R of 19 for walls, 38 for ceilings or roofs. That's what I did in 2005 with the original 2200sf house.

My addition, I did full depth closed cell spray foam on 2x6 walls and 2x10's for the roof. Foam has an R of 7 per inch, so I have R38 walls and R60 roof.

Huge difference between the two sections. My master suite stays comfortable with heat from the bathroom, 1/2 of the floor plus a towel bar.

Some 35 years ago yes it probably was R13. Another huge expense to re-insulate and install new heating system is in my very near future.

[Unsuspicious]

My gas bill was the highest it's ever been because I went a few degrees higher this winter and kept it around 73 unlike last year where I stayed about 69. My latest bill went into triple digits and was $108 :faint:

[6spdC6]

What was it there last Wednesday morning?

It was -12 here, -20 in Saranac Lake. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saranac_Lake%2C_New_York) :smash:

-10F The furnace was cycling on and off frequently.:D

[Bruze]

Some 35 years ago yes it probably was R13. Another huge expense to re-insulate and install new heating system is in my very near future.

In 1989 I had my cabin turned into a house with an 800 SF addition. I had 6" walls put in which, as I recall, was common but not mandatory -- but I think it is now.

[Bruze]

-10F The furnace was cycling on and off frequently.:D

If I used my LP furnace last week it probably would have run continuously (I only use it in the fall and spring).

When they installed the furnace in 2010, they said it would probably do that, and a Furnace Guy was here two years ago to tweak it and he said the same thing.

It sounds stupid to me. Something about that being better than a bigger one and the efficiency of both.

[Vandelay Industries]

Heat (nat gas) $374
Electric $175

[Yadkin]

Some 35 years ago yes it probably was R13. Another huge expense to re-insulate and install new heating system is in my very near future.

Start with the attic. When I bought my house in upstate NY it had blown-in insulation in the 2x4 attic floor. 18 years old and settled, so only a couple inches thick. I rolled in fiberglass batts and it made an immediate difference.

We've done houses here with a drop-down attic ceiling, built a 3' tall wall around the opening and filled the entire thing with blown-in fiberglass. As long as you keep the eave vents open, and there are styrofoam panels for that, you can go as thick as you want.

[Don Rickles]

Start with the attic. When I bought my house in upstate NY it had blown-in insulation in the 2x4 attic floor. 18 years old and settled, so only a couple inches thick. I rolled in fiberglass batts and it made an immediate difference.

We've done houses here with a drop-down attic ceiling, built a 3' tall wall around the opening and filled the entire thing with blown-in fiberglass. As long as you keep the eave vents open, and there are styrofoam panels for that, you can go as thick as you want.

The attic has R38 in the rafters with air space using the foam panels. The crawl space is where I’m sure to find needed improvements on insulation. I’ll call for an estimate in the morning

[mrvette]

Heat pump, NE Florida, 1700' single story, light gray shingles, and white roof on the addition I built some 26 years ago,.....200/mo at high points in winter and summer......wife's son in HVAC trade so he upped the system nicely some 24 years ago, did some re-engineering on it, and I really should have relocated the ducts from the attic, to a framed in set of soffits below the ceiling, probably would be saving well over 50/month on sparks.......electric.....

[Yadkin]

The attic has R38 in the rafters with air space using the foam panels. The crawl space is where I’m sure to find needed improvements on insulation. I’ll call for an estimate in the morning

So a crawl space under the floor? If so you should encapsulate. Insulate the walls and perimeter, entire thing gets sealed with 10 mil or thicker white reinforced membrane.

[Sea Kelp]

Back in 1990 when I restored this old house, I was very reluctant to put any type of a flame in the building. I was also trying to make a move to protect the environment going with that geothermal system. Now 35 years later, the system is failing is all I can assume.

I’m also somewhat unschooled on how much propane would be used if I were to switch to LP. It’s an old old stone building with a lot of drafty holes

You might be onto something. My mother’s house is three stories, counting basement and has geothermal heat/cool supplemented by wood stove that I fill for her, in cold weather, once in the mornings and once around 8-10pm. Hers is four Zones that were a little tricky to get dampers set correctly but seem to be fine now. A big difference from yours is that her walls are poured concrete; 12” thick on 1st & basement with 10” for top floor. Not a draft to be found anywhere. Her bill has never been above $300 and the system was installed in 2001. Her temps in main part of house are set @ low of 68 and high of 74.


On second thought, you might check to see if dampers are working correctly, mom had one get out of sync and it was a nightmare till they replaced, and if I remember correctly ended up replacing more than just the one, can’t remember if preventative or necessary.

[Vince Clortho]

I would look at the rim joists in the crawl space. You can lose a ton of heat if they aren’t insulated well.

[Don Rickles]

You might be onto something. My mother’s house is three stories, counting basement and has geothermal heat/cool supplemented by wood stove that I fill for her, in cold weather, once in the mornings and once around 8-10pm. Hers is four Zones that were a little tricky to get dampers set correctly but seem to be fine now. A big difference from yours is that her walls are poured concrete; 12” thick on 1st & basement with 10” for top floor. Not a draft to be found anywhere. Her bill has never been above $300 and the system was installed in 2001. Her temps in main part of house are set @ low of 68 and high of 74.


On second thought, you might check to see if dampers are working correctly, mom had one get out of sync and it was a nightmare till they replaced, and if I remember correctly ended up replacing more than just the one, can’t remember if preventative or necessary.
Interesting. I really think the problem in my geothermal system is a buildup of manganese in the piping. The buildup has reduced the ID of every waterline in the building. It says manganese has destroyed several of our well pumps. It was discovered inside the main water supply line coming from the pump. Picture a 1 inch piece of poly piping with say 1/8 inch wall thickness in the pipe. Now picture another one 8 inch of manganese buildup reducing the amount of water has to be by 1/3. It is my belief that the heating system is now struggling along with the water pump in the well, causing them both to run constantly, then creating this super high electric bill
I would look at the rim joists in the crawl space. You can lose a ton of heat if they aren’t insulated well.
This house being stone has no rim boards as per se in a framed building. The stone wall simply continues from the foundation to the attic 18 inch thick.

[Jughead]

House is all electric. Most days in January this year didn’t reach 30°. January bill was $560 the 2024 January Bill, before we upgraded our heat pump and air handler was 780 and it was much warmer last January

[zeek]

Before I moved back to Tennessee, my electric bill in my Biloxi home never went over a hundred bucks. I had gas heat, stove and water. Now in my new home I only have electric for everything. My summer bills were never over $100, but now using the electric heat 24/7, even keeping it at 66 degrees, my highest bill so far was $285. I plan on installing a propane tank and gas stove and fireplace before next winter.

[Steve_R]

It’s an old old stone building with a lot of drafty holes

There’s your problem. Seal and insulate it properly or quit worrying about high heating costs.

[KenHorse]

2700 sq' - heat pump with electric assist. Several computers on 18+ hours a day with 1 server on 24. Lights in shop also 18+ hours a day.

Last bill was $395 and overnight temps in the 20's

[Don Rickles]

There’s your problem. Seal and insulate it properly or quit worrying about high heating costs.

35 years ago, I did insulate the shit out of this old house. I even went to the extent of hiring an efficiency company called Princeton energy partners that conducted a blow door study. Afterwards, they foamed up all the loose holes and cracks, and then showed the improvement in the test. The house was very tight then since then there has been a lot of movement. Some cracks have occurred and I’m sure the foam ceiling is failed in many places. I will not stop crying about a bill like this. They are robbing us! Last months bill was under 500. This is insane

[kingpin]

Nat Gas for heat. Runs $110 Nov-March rest of the months $35.
Electric- $180 month. It would be $120-130 if I didn't have my server.

[lrobe22]

What was the actual usage and rate on the bill? I agree that you need to check the insulation as the primary strategy.

[Torqaholic]

According to the last bill I was charged $4.55 per day for electricity. The math says that's $140 for the month. Last bill also says less than a KwH use per day. That math works out to 19 cents per KwH.

Lucky me to live alone and not have to pay for a bunch of other people anymore, BTDT.

[Don Rickles]

There goes all that money I just saved on Insurance

[Torqaholic]

There goes all that money I just saved on Insurance

:rofl:

The reason your bill is so high is right there in your title -

"Our electric bill".

[Aerovette]

Elec. $300 at .11kwh. Used 2kwh but over $50 in special fees now. House 3.5 kft.

Did change lower Ho to Gas HVAC and saved over 800 kWh from last year but will spend ~$200 in gas for Jan as worst month

3 fridge, ice machine running full time plus lots of electric shit WH is gas and stove top also

In response to the meme, the explanation they give is that the cost would be MUCH higher without those things.

Just like the vaccine. Yeah, you got covid, but it would have been worse. :D

[Datawiz]

3,000 sf single story home, work full-time from home with all my monitors. Most recent bill was $269.04. :cert:

[Steve_R]

Giant old house. Admittedly drafty and not well insulated. High heating bill.

I’m shocked, SHOCKED I say.

[Anjdog2003]

I feel you pain. My Electric bill went up to $47.93 and the gas Bill $41.54. It should get down to the high 20's to low 30's in a couple of month.

[Bruze]

Giant old house. Admittedly drafty and not well insulated. High heating bill.

I’m shocked, SHOCKED I say.

I asked him, and I don't think he answered yet, what is his bill normally in the winter?


[Don Rickles] It's normally about $200 this time of the year. [/Don Rickles]

Me: Houston, we have a problem. :eek:

[Don Rickles] It's normally $920-940 this time of the year. [/Don Rickles]

Me: WTF are you crying :cry: about? https://i.imgur.com/jkx6Zdo.gif

[lrobe22]

I feel you pain. My Electric bill went up to $47.93 and the gas Bill $41.54. It should get down to the high 20's to low 30's in a couple of month.

Pretty expensive for a 1 BR studio van.

[MadInNc]

I feel you pain. My Electric bill went up to $47.93 and the gas Bill $41.54. It should get down to the high 20's to low 30's in a couple of month.

.not many of us can live in a van by the...... what?

[OnPoint]

OP's electric and propane costs are crazy high.

We run a combined gas and electric in the summer in the $450 range. Three AC units and a decent sized pool. House is 6,300 sq. ft. In the heart of winter the combined drops to $300 as pool is shut down and the AC units aren't running, but the furnaces are working. Our heat is nat gas. We get a couple months in the spring and fall every year with really mild temps and it'll dip to $200 for those months, when neither system is being worked much.

[LATB]

About 200 bux a month for 1700 sq ft vinyl siding 2x4 wall tract house.
Meh.

[Big bob]

What's this heating and air-conditioning you speak off?:Jeff '79:

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[Vette40th]

173. Whats your rate per Kwh

[Steve_R]

173. Whats your rate per Kwh

Been asked several times. No answer.

[Bruze]

Been asked several times. No answer.
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[Will]

House built 1999 still original doors/windows. Original blown-in attic insulation. No insulation in crawl space (have never bothered to add it back after having crawl encapsulated) 3500 sq ft living space, separate units for upstairs and downstairs, 2 fridges, 2 freezers, 2 crawl space dehumidifiers, 2 desktop PCs, multiple TVs, video game consoles, etc.

$450ish during the coldest winter months or hottest summer months. $300ish fall/spring months. Electric A/C & Gas heat. Rural small town in SC. Electricity via Nuclear power.

[Don Rickles]

Been asked several times. No answer.

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The Mrs. has the password to the account, I can't get access yet hold on already! :slap:

[Vette40th]

The Mrs. has the password to the account, I can't get access yet hold on already! :slap:

Its on the paper bill

[Bruze]

The Mrs. has the password to the account, I can't get access yet hold on already! :slap:

Mine is right on every monthly bill, not sure about elsewhere. :island14:

My bill also has a 12-month bar chart showing how much I've used in each of the previous 12 months, so I can compare this month with January 2024 (I don't ever do it though) to see if the usage is out of line.

None of this is on your bill? :island14:

[VatorMan]

1. Get someone in there with an infrared camera to find out where you are losing heat.
2. Install a meter on your panel. I never trust utilities. I have everything metered.

Look at Sense meters-Sense.com.

You will need to have an electrician install the CT’s, but you will always know your bill before you get it.

[Bill]

My combined electric and gas last month was under $ 100, but that's no ac, no heat. I'm not too excited about this month's gas bill, as we had a couple weeks of cold weather including the snowpocolypse. Hoping I don't go over $ 200 all in this month for that.

[Vette40th]

My county will do a free assessment of the house. He came with a infrared meter and a couple.Other things to look for windows being sealed etc. Nothing major but it was free

[Bruze]

My county will do a free assessment of the house. He came with a infrared meter and a couple.Other things to look for windows being sealed etc. Nothing major but it was free

But why is this one bill way out of line? The windows, insulation, etc. haven't changed.

DR: What was the bill last month -- a lot less? Does your bill have a bar chart (like mine) showing what your usage was 12 months ago?

[lrobe22]

Rickles forgot to mention that he's mining bitcoin.

[Vette40th]

But why is this one bill way out of line? The windows, insulation, etc. haven't changed.

DR: What was the bill last month -- a lot less? Does your bill have a bar chart (like mine) showing what your usage was 12 months ago?

Here is my chart. And I can go back and compare years.

[Yadkin]

35 years ago, I did insulate the shit out of this old house. I even went to the extent of hiring an efficiency company called Princeton energy partners that conducted a blow door study. Afterwards, they foamed up all the loose holes and cracks, and then showed the improvement in the test. The house was very tight then since then there has been a lot of movement. Some cracks have occurred and I’m sure the foam ceiling is failed in many places. I will not stop crying about a bill like this. They are robbing us! Last months bill was under 500. This is insane

Both Jews and Dutch act like this. :Jeff '79:

[Yadkin]

3,000 sf single story home, work full-time from home with all my monitors. Most recent bill was $269.04. :cert:

The monitors heat the house. :D

[Yadkin]

Rickles forgot to mention that he's mining bitcoin.

*growing dope

[Vette40th]

You obviously have something using a lot of energy or someone is tapping off of your house? Or maybe last months bill wasnt paid

[Unsuspicious]

In the worst of August, I used 400kWh with air conditioning, $100.
For the entire month of November when I wasn't home at all, my house used 100kWh, $60.
Flat fees make up most of my bill. Of that $60 bill, only $10 was for what I used.

[Anjdog2003]

Pretty expensive for a 1 BR studio van.



Insulate with shag carpet. :yesnod:

[Bruze]

LOL @ Rickles, he lays this egg of a thread then disappears. :Jeff '79: He seems to do that a lot.

Maybe his wife, who has all the passwords, told him to stay away from the male pigs at the Barn. :island14:

Oops, almost forgot: STFU A-dog. https://i.imgur.com/jkx6Zdo.gif

[Anjdog2003]

Raise your hand if you read my posts :kimblair:






































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[Don Rickles]

Who gets a paper bill anymore….?We’ve been billed paperless for years now. Mrs Rickles pays the bill and has access. I’m trying to get the password to answer some questions here…

Having an infrared and another door blower test would be very helpful I’ll look into them both.

Oh Bruzie there’s a big world out there besides the Vette Barn! I do have other things going on.’

No growing this season except for the greenhouses houseplants.

[TheHammer]

$130 last month. Ran the welder a lot and the pool pump needs reprogrammed. Almost blew my monthly nut.

[Don Rickles]

Got in! Look at this disaster......

[Bruze]

A-dog > anything you have.

Calm down, little fella. Don't be sad that Angie is so much smarter than you. I know you do well at catching sticks, eating, and licking your own balls, but Angie is worlds ahead of you. Please don't be jelly, I wuv you bofe. :)

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[Bruze]

Got in! Look at this disaster......

So what was it one year ago?

[Tikiman]

Who gets a paper bill anymore….?We’ve been billed paperless for years now. Mrs Rickles pays the bill and has access. I’m trying to get the password to answer some questions here…

Having an infrared and another door blower test would be very helpful I’ll look into them both.

Oh Bruzie there’s a big world out there besides the Vette Barn! I do have other things going on.’

No growing this season except for the greenhouses houseplants.

I still get a paper bill. In fact, I get two. One for the house and one for the main barn. I have two of those green transformers on my property. Power actually comes in underground from two different poles.

[Don Rickles]

You obviously have something using a lot of energy or someone is tapping off of your house? Or maybe last months bill wasnt paid

I thought a bill might have been missed too but no it was paid (525.00).

It our heater/well pump combo. There's nothing else drawing big kwH.....?

[Don Rickles]

I still get a paper bill. In fact, I get two. One for the house and one for the main barn. I have two of those green transformers on my property. Power actually comes in underground from two different poles.

No paper here but same with two seperate supply lines. One for the house another service for the garage. The garage bill is an additional 600 for my son's apt.

[Tikiman]

My barn bill usually averages $50 to $60. This time of year, it is for heated waterers for the animals, my wood shop, and a water heater. Guess I have three water heaters counting the one in the barn.

[Bruze]

No paper here but same with two seperate supply lines. One for the house another service for the garage. The garage bill is an additional 600 for my son's apt.

So this bill is for your house only?

What was the bill last year in the same time period? It's colder this year so the bill will be somewhat higher -- but not outrageously so.

What variables have changed besides the outdoor temp? Has the cents per kWH gone up a lot?

[Don Rickles]

So what was it one year ago?

Much less kWh usage in December last year, it was warmer.....this shows we use almost 30.00 per day! that's crazy @.096 per if I'm reading this shit correctly....I'm making some calls today!

[Don Rickles]

So this bill is for your house only?

What was the bill last year in the same time period? It's colder this year so the bill will be somewhat higher -- but not outrageously so.

What variables have changed besides the outdoor temp? Has the cents per kWH gone up a lot?

This years bill is 265.00 higher than last year same time frame. I'm not seeing the kWh price from the prior year...

What's changed, the hVAC system is year closer to death and struggling like I've said....

[Steve_R]

Giant old house. Admittedly drafty and not well insulated. High heating bill.

I’m shocked, SHOCKED I say.

Yup. Huge old stone house not sealed well and not insulated well. This isn't rocket science.

[Don Rickles]

Yup. Huge old stone house not sealed well and not insulated well. This isn't rocket science.

Ok with this,.....The house is NOT huge (20x50 main section 3 stories, w/ a 24x16 2 story rear addition 3200+/- sq interior space) and it was insulated sealed foamed and poked. It was tighter than a two year old. So stop. Yes there has been some cracks and I'm sure small leaks but it's not like random holes all over the building. The entire building was pointed painted and prepped.

The real culprit is the heating system.

[Yadkin]

Ditch that heat pump and say hello to Sweet Lady Propane.

[Steve_R]

Ok with this,.....The house is NOT huge (20x50 main section 3 stories, w/ a 24x16 2 story rear addition 3200+/- sq interior space) and it was insulated sealed foamed and poked. It was tighter than a two year old. So stop. Yes there has been some cracks and I'm sure small leaks but it's not like random holes all over the building. The entire building was pointed painted and prepped.

The real culprit is the heating system.

Hmmm...your story keeps changing:

Some 35 years ago yes it probably was R13. Another huge expense to re-insulate and install new heating system is in my very near future.

R13 where you live isn't sufficient. Not even close.

The attic has R38 in the rafters with air space using the foam panels. The crawl space is where I’m sure to find needed improvements on insulation. I’ll call for an estimate in the morning

Crawl space needs insulated.

35 years ago, I did insulate the shit out of this old house. I even went to the extent of hiring an efficiency company called Princeton energy partners that conducted a blow door study. Afterwards, they foamed up all the loose holes and cracks, and then showed the improvement in the test. The house was very tight then since then there has been a lot of movement. Some cracks have occurred and I’m sure the foam ceiling is failed in many places. I will not stop crying about a bill like this. They are robbing us! Last months bill was under 500. This is insane

There's been "a lot of movement" and "some cracks have occurred and the foam ceiling is failed in many places."

3,200 sq ft is a large house. You live where it gets cold. It doesn't have enough insulation and it has cracks. You say the heating system is "failing." Either keep paying high heating bills or fix the insulation, leaks and heating system. :shrug:

[Tikiman]

3,200 sq ft is a large house. You live where it gets cold. It doesn't have enough insulation and it has cracks. You say the heating system is "failing." Either keep paying high heating bills or fix the insulation, leaks and heating system. :shrug:

Mine is 5,800 sf and my electric bill is half of his. He's got some issue going on. He needs to compare this December's bill with last December's bill. My last bill for December was, as previously stated, $408. My bill from one year ago for December 2023 was $405. Going back to December 2022, it looks like it was $363. But the weather might have been a lot milder then.

[Don Rickles]

Ditch that heat pump and say hello to Sweet Lady Propane.

Not as easy as I'd hope. The geo is split into three zones with remote air handlers. Meaning the duct work isn't all tied together and would require a lot of ripping and tearing to install a single system...Along with the exhausting issues (have to go sidewall PVC?)...

[Steve_R]

Mine is 5,800 sf and my electric bill is half of his. He's got some issue going on. He needs to compare this December's bill with last December's bill. My last bill for December was, as previously stated, $408. My bill from one year ago for December 2023 was $405. Going back to December 2022, it looks like it was $363. But the weather might have been a lot milder then.

His is an old stone house that was abandoned for something like 30 years according to what he's posted here. He admits it leaks and isn't insulated well. I suspect those aren't true about your house, and I'll bet you have more than R13 in the walls.

[Bruze]

Yup. Huge old stone house not sealed well and not insulated well. This isn't rocket science.

But it's been that way for years so that's not a variable and doesn't explain why the huge spike in the current bill.

Weather (temperature), cents per kwH, something amiss in the heating system, maybe he has some new electrical appliance that draws a lot that he didn't have last year are variables.

[Steve_R]

But it's been that way for years so that's not a variable and doesn't explain why the huge spike in the current bill.

Weather (temperature), cents per kwH, something amiss in the heating system, maybe he has some new electrical appliance that draws a lot that he didn't have last year are variables.

Agreed, but in addition to air leaks and insufficient insulation he's said this: Interesting. I really think the problem in my geothermal system is a buildup of manganese in the piping. The buildup has reduced the ID of every waterline in the building. It says manganese has destroyed several of our well pumps. It was discovered inside the main water supply line coming from the pump. Picture a 1 inch piece of poly piping with say 1/8 inch wall thickness in the pipe. Now picture another one 8 inch of manganese buildup reducing the amount of water has to be by 1/3. It is my belief that the heating system is now struggling along with the water pump in the well, causing them both to run constantly, then creating this super high electric bill.

:shrug:

[Bruze]

A STONE HOUSE, INSULATION or lack thereof, WINDOWS, HEATING SYSTEM that have all been the same for years are not variables and do not explain the huge spike in electric usage.

It isn't rocket science to understand how to troubleshoot.

[Don Rickles]

Hmmm...your story keeps changing:



R13 where you live isn't sufficient. Not even close.



Crawl space needs insulated.



There's been "a lot of movement" and "some cracks have occurred and the foam ceiling sealing is failed in many places."

3,200 sq ft is a large house. You live where it gets cold. It doesn't have enough insulation and it has cracks. You say the heating system is "failing." Either keep paying high heating bills or fix the insulation, leaks and heating system. :shrug:

No my stories exactly the same.. see the bolded ,That is exactly hwhat Im doing.....hello

1. In 1990 R 13 was code. The entire second floor now has this all removed wit exposed stone (as I said now much warmer in those areas).
2. The movement caused SMALL cracks not gapping holes.
3. For the 19th time it's the heating system..
4. The crawl space is now insulated with R30 but in a couple bays the insulation has fallen down. I just want it all replaced..

[Don Rickles]

But it's been that way for years so that's not a variable and doesn't explain why the huge spike in the current bill.

Weather (temperature), cents per kwH, something amiss in the heating system, maybe he has some new electrical appliance that draws a lot that he didn't have last year are variables.

You are right. Something is causing the higher usage this year. Like you say the building itself hasn't changed to the point we use an additional 1/3...Keep in mind I have had a fire burning daily this season too....Second time I bought firewood it's all hardwood burns hot. This hasn't slowed the heater use....

[Big bob]

But it's been that way for years so that's not a variable and doesn't explain why the huge spike in the current bill.

Weather (temperature), cents per kwH, something amiss in the heating system, maybe he has some new electrical appliance that draws a lot that he didn't have last year are variables.


Looks pretty simple to me. A geothermal system with any type mineral deposits will accumulate and decrease efficiency. Hopefully there is a way to flush it out.:seasix:

[Steve_R]

3. For the 19th time it's the heating system.

So fix the heating system.

You are right. Something is causing the higher usage this year. Like you say the building itself hasn't changed to the point we use an additional 1/3...Keep in mind I have had a fire burning daily this season too....Second time I bought firewood it's all hardwood burns hot. This hasn't slowed the heater use....

Serious question, what kind of fireplace/stove are you burning? Does it have an outside air inlet, or is it sucking air from in the house that's going up the chimney? An inefficient fireplace/stove can cause higher heating bills in some cases, BTDT.

[Yadkin]

Not as easy as I'd hope. The geo is split into three zones with remote air handlers. Meaning the duct work isn't all tied together and would require a lot of ripping and tearing to install a single system...Along with the exhausting issues (have to go sidewall PVC?)...

One boiler feeding three zoned fan coils: simple. Condensing boilers (95%+ efficient) can be vented (exhausted) with solid core PVC pipe. Normally the first few feet and first elbow have to be CPVC.

I replaced my oil boiler with a wall mounted propane when I did my addition because I couldn't extend the vent any further. Using a three- inch PVC allowed me to extend it as much as 70 feet.

[Joey777]

I live at the opposite end of the state as the OP. If he thinks his Dec bill was high, just wait till he gets his Jan bill. December was relatively mild but this month has been frigid. We’ve really had mild winters for the last several years. Also, Penn Power has been steadily increasing their rates and have terminated their discount for having an all-electric house.

[Don Rickles]

One boiler feeding three zoned fan coils: simple. Condensing boilers (95%+ efficient) can be vented (exhausted) with solid core PVC pipe. Normally the first few feet and first elbow have to be CPVC.

I replaced my oil boiler with a wall mounted propane when I did my addition because I couldn't extend the vent any further. Using a three- inch PVC allowed me to extend it as much as 70 feet.

Love to se you figure out how to run the lines thru the building without tearing up the interior walls in every room....you need more info. There are stone walls to deal with too....The building started out as a small 1721 roughly 20x 20. Then the larger addition 30x20 was added. This caused a stone wall to run down the middle of the house all the way to the roof. Then my 24x16 rear addition is framed on the outside of another section of stone wall again to the roof eaves.. It's a tough one to design.

[Don Rickles]

Gotta HVAC company coming out Friday morning.

[Don Rickles]

I live at the opposite end of the state as the OP. If he thinks his Dec bill was high, just wait till he gets his Jan bill. December was relatively mild but this month has been frigid. We’ve really had mild winters for the last several years. Also, Penn Power has been steadily increasing their rates and have terminated their discount for having an all-electric house.

True.

I'm dreading next months bill.....


To Stevoroonie, I never lie. Being at the mercy of an electric company really pisses me off.....Planning for retirement and seeing these types of bills is worrisome....I'm on it!

[Steve_R]

To Stevoroonie, I never lie. Being at the mercy of an electric company really pisses me off.....Planning for retirement and seeing these types of bills is worrisome....I'm on it!

I didn't accuse you of lying about anything. And I fully understand the impact of increasing costs as you plan for retirement. My last day of work, even though it's been part time mostly from home the last few years, is March 31. We're all at the mercy of utility companies, grocery stores, gas stations, physicians, etc, etc, etc. Some of those things we can reduce, some we can't.

[dvarapala]

Maybe his wife, who has all the passwords, told him to stay away from the male pigs at the Barn. :island14:



Maybe his wife has UniqueDoug's password too? :funniest:

[Bill]

My house was built in the 90's and has r-13 in the walls, which was the standard at the time. Our climate, while hot in the Summer, is probably more temperate than up north. R-19 was the standard for the attic. I had some attic insulation replaced with r-30 and noticed a difference, I intend on blowing more insulation in the rest of the attic one of these days.

If I ever build another house, I'm going to put r-19 in the walls, or whatever the best I can get is. It's something you don't think that much about the first time you buy a house, but you learn how important it is over time, especially with the Brandonflation that spiked energy prices the last 4 years.

[slewfoot]

Wow, I have three split zones too. We keep the house down as low as possible I freeze most days in here....this does have me pissed off......

My garage apt. has electric baseboard heat the monthly there is 600.00!!! My son and his SO and a 5 year old.

I'm calling the company, it's nuts!


Baseboard Heating is like a watermain break

[dvarapala]

Mrs Rickles pays the bill and has access. I’m trying to get the password to answer some questions here…



"Trying?" How ****ing hard can it be? :willy:

Over here we keep all the passwords in a Password Safe database on a NAS that we can both access at any time from any machine in the house. I don't have to beg Baby Droll for permission to access them. :lol:

Heaven forbid she should pass away suddenly from an accident or something - you would be complete ****ed. :yesnod:

[Don Rickles]

"Trying?" How ****ing hard can it be? :willy:

Over here we keep all the passwords in a Password Safe database on a NAS that we can both access at any time from any machine in the house. I don't have to beg Baby Droll for permission to access them. :lol:

Heaven forbid she should pass away suddenly from an accident or somehting - you would be complete ****ed. :yesnod:

You can really be a moron huh?

Yeah really ****ed by not having the electric companies password Oh lordy!!!! :rofl:

Mrs. Rickles has it set to face recognition so even she had to look it up, ya schmuck.....

Please exuse my not jumping back on last night but we went to bed early....

[Yadkin]

Love to se you figure out how to run the lines thru the building without tearing up the interior walls in every room....you need more info. There are stone walls to deal with too....The building started out as a small 1721 roughly 20x 20. Then the larger addition 30x20 was added. This caused a stone wall to run down the middle of the house all the way to the roof. Then my 24x16 rear addition is framed on the outside of another section of stone wall again to the roof eaves.. It's a tough one to design.

You can run the hot water lines in the crawl space. All you need to feed a fan coil is 3/4" Pex with oxygen barrier, supply and return.

[Don Rickles]

Maybe his wife has UniqueDoug's password too? :funniest:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::lol::lol:

[Don Rickles]

You can run the hot water lines in the crawl space. All you need to feed a fan coil is 3/4" Pex with oxygen barrier, supply and return.

There was a Pre heat set of copper lines run from the Geo units to the water heaters. I disconnected it years ago it did not draw enough temperature as we'd hoped from the underground source (54* constant).

Lets see what the experts say on Friday, might be the easiest and least expensive way to simply replace the units with today's higher efficiency units. Has to be some big time improvements in them in 35 years.....

We have two wells to draw or dump. I'll split them and use one for domestic and one for HVAC....just a thought.

[dvarapala]

You can really be a moron huh?

Yeah really ****ed by not having the electric companies password Oh lordy!!!! :rofl:

Right - because that is the only password that she has locked up in her phone. The passwords to the credit cards, water company, gas company, and whatever other accounts that you two have are all stored on Post-It! notes on your monitor. :lol:

Mrs. Rickles has it set to face recognition so even she had to look it up, ya schmuck.....


And you don't see a problem with this? Just who is the moron here? :willy:

[Vandelay Industries]

Heat (nat gas) $374
Electric $175

My house is an old (100+ years) victorian, balloon framed. It had no insulation at all in the walls when we bought it. Just some cellulose in the attic.

With the original boiler, which was about 70 years old, I would be filling the 275 gal. oil tank every 3 weeks during the winter. That was a coal burner converted to oil--it also provided hot water for the house.

I added cellulose to the walls, replaced the boiler with a gas steam unit and free standing gas water heater. That made a yuge difference. :yesnod:

[Don Rickles]

Right - because that is the only password that she has locked up in her phone. The passwords to the credit cards, water company, gas company, and whatever other accounts that you two have are all stored on Post-It! notes on your monitor. :lol:



And you don't see a problem with this? Just who is the moron here? :willy:

Ok, smarty pants.

How bout we have no CC debt only for car rentals and such, first fail.

No water company we are on site water, second fail.

No gas company to the property, third fail.

I get your point but I have no need for accessing the accounts for anything other than talk like this here..

All else in in order with Wills and Trusts.

Plus she'll out live me by 30 years. :yesnod:

[dvarapala]

Plus she'll out live me by 30 years. :yesnod:

I hope you are right. :yesnod:

But, like the honorable Donald J. Trump said in The Art of the Deal:

Cover the downside and the upside will take care of itself.

That's why both Baby Droll and myself have complete access to all of the important things like documents, passwords, accounts, etc. in case anything happens to either one of us. :thumbs:

[SteveOceanside]

If it's any consolation GB now has the highest cost for domestic electricity of any country in the world. Combination of extreme "climate change" policies, and of course the decision by the whole of the West in Feb 2022 to sanction Russian oil and gas, which have been supplying Europe, no strings attached, since USSR times.

Germany has been hit hardest by the loss of affordable Russian energy, but we have a leadership determined not to be outdone by any f'kin Germans!

[Don Rickles]

I hope you are right. :yesnod:

But, like the honorable Donald J. Trump said in The Art of the Deal:



That's why both Baby Droll and myself have complete access to all of the important things like documents, passwords, accounts, etc. in case anything happens to either one of us. :thumbs:

Of course we have the biggies ......utilities are small potatoes in the scheme of things.

Real trick is to eliminate as many accounts as possible resulting in little to clean up for either spouse....

[Don Rickles]

If it's any consolation GB now has the highest cost for domestic electricity of any country in the world. Combination of extreme "climate change" policies, and of course the decision by the whole of the West in Feb 2022 to sanction Russian oil and gas, which have been supplying Europe, no strings attached, since USSR times.

Germany has been hit hardest by the loss of affordable Russian energy, but we have a leadership determined not to be outdone by any f'kin Germans!

I was reading this very thing. :seasix:

[Tikiman]

If it's any consolation GB now has the highest cost for domestic electricity of any country in the world. Combination of extreme "climate change" policies, and of course the decision by the whole of the West in Feb 2022 to sanction Russian oil and gas, which have been supplying Europe, no strings attached, since USSR times.

Germany has been hit hardest by the loss of affordable Russian energy, but we have a leadership determined not to be outdone by any f'kin Germans!

I follow Katie Hopkins on Telegram, and she has spoken of that situation as well. Maybe President Trump can make your country great again after he's cleaned up the democrat's mess over here.

[dvarapala]

Of course we have the biggies ......utilities are small potatoes in the scheme of things.

So you're not a thorough, detail-oriented man like UniqueDoug - you're perfectly happy leaving a lot of little loose ends.

Gotcha. :thumbs:

[Don Rickles]

So you're not a thorough, detail-oriented man like UniqueDoug - you're perfectly happy leaving a lot of little loose ends.

Gotcha. :thumbs:

I must have missed the first half of this conversation?

Not having the password for an electric company says this? :confused5::confused5::confused5:

It’s in my email addy so I get the bills. That satisfying enough for ya?

Start a thread about loose ends….

[Bill]

If it's any consolation GB now has the highest cost for domestic electricity of any country in the world. Combination of extreme "climate change" policies, and of course the decision by the whole of the West in Feb 2022 to sanction Russian oil and gas, which have been supplying Europe, no strings attached, since USSR times.

Germany has been hit hardest by the loss of affordable Russian energy, but we have a leadership determined not to be outdone by any f'kin Germans!

100 officials from Starmer's Labour Party came to the US and illegally interfered with our presidential election, failing to register as foreign agents under FARA, etc. I hope Trump issues arrest warrants and demands their extradition to the US.

And I hope Trump will strongarm the UK to get Tommy Robinson freed. It's unconscionable that your government has allowed those filthy Muzzie Pakis to rape White English girls, and then not only cover that abuse up, but imprison and silence anyone who wants to actually talk about what they did and I assume, are still doing today.

And prior to Brandon devastating our energy sector, we were a net energy exporter and would have been able to provide the UK with all the CNG y'all could ever want. Maybe we can work back to that goal. The US economy was doing great when we were awash in cheap natural gas, and we had plenty to share with our friends overseas, too.

Edit: [End hijack]

[SteveOceanside]

I follow Katie Hopkins on Telegram, and she has spoken of that situation as well. Maybe President Trump can make your country great again after he's cleaned up the democrat's mess over here.

She's a good lass, and who knows what can happen. There's a lot of admiration among the general public for Trump's hit the ground running actions; today, even the establishment "Telegraph" has to admit it. (Chrome and Adblockplus breaches the paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/28/trumps-policies-finding-favour-voters-in-britain/

We are 6 months into a new government who are like Biden's gang, so it's a long time to wait for Farage to take power, which looks increasingly possible, even though his party has been around for such a short time. Yesterday his Reform UK party became the most popular party in Britain for the first time, causing shivers in the Uniparty (Labour & Conservative) who have run the show here for so long.

Like a lot of you guys, I'm set up geographically, financially, & mentally to be largely insulated from the shit-show going on under these shitheads; also my age means I can sit it out whatever happens.

This doesn't mean I'm passive. I spread these business cards I had printed wherever I think promising, hand to hand or stuck in cars' driver's window seals etc. Two low-level independent media sites (as opposed to the heavy stuff) to start getting the brainwashing out.

I'm running out of these. Time to order some more. Alter the wording if needed. :smash:
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[donuts]

Lake house hit $650 and only spent one night out there. Electric heat . The bill in July and august was $175 each .. you tell me.

I believe the push for inflation in every level of gov is only to increase tax revenues. They can’t see how unsustainable that “model” really is.

[dvarapala]

I must have missed the first half of this conversation?

Not having the password for an electric company says this? :confused5::confused5::confused5:

It’s in my email addy so I get the bills. That satisfying enough for ya?

Start a thread about loose ends….

Go watch your 1000 channels of OTA TV from 1600 miles away. :D

[09CTSV]

Gas was $125 and electric was $125, with charging of the Hummer at home. Take $80 off for the Hummer EV and the electric doesn't look too bad. This was with the month being frigid, several weeks of single digits and blustery winds. Oh and that is with heating the garage to $62 as well. House is 2900 SQ FT and the 3 car garage.

[JRD77VET]

This is just out of hand! I have had supplemental heat burning a wood stove the entire time too....

Our Geothermal has to go, I need to get on this problem.....

What's your bill?

I. T. Landes out of Harleysville has a geo thermal division. I suggest you have them check out your system before "ditching it".
https://www.itlandes.com/

Our electric bill was about $270 for this month after that zero weather streak.

PA allows you pick your electric supplier, did you do that? I use "price, 12 month contract and fixed price" as my search words.
https://www.papowerswitch.com/

[Don Rickles]

I. T. Landes out of Harleysville has a geo thermal division. I suggest you have them check out your system before "ditching it".
https://www.itlandes.com/

Our electric bill was about $270 for this month after that zero weather streak.

PA allows you pick your electric supplier, did you do that? I use "price, 12 month contract and fixed price" as my search words.
https://www.papowerswitch.com/

I have Cooper coming out. From Ottsville Friday morning. Likely expesivve but a strong company that will be there when something goes wrong.

Maybe I'll try your guy too, for a second opinion. Thanks again for a tip!:seasix:

[Jughead]

Just visited my daughter yesterday. She live in a new 2 story house and 3,500 sq ft. She has gas for heat and her electric bill for January is $46.00. I said WTF??? Claims her electric bill is low too.

[dvarapala]

Just visited my daughter yesterday. She live in a new 2 story house and 3,500 sq ft. She has gas for heat and her electric bill for January is $46.00. I said WTF??? Claims her electric bill is low too.

Newer houses have this thing called "insulation." :lol:

[Unsuspicious]

Newer houses have this thing called "insulation." :lol:

Insulation has nothing to do with the electric bill when it's gas heated :slap:

[Don Rickles]

Update,

Contractor advised to go all heat pump with propane backup on the main system. This would be three new systems heating and ac….into the existing ductwork.

He’s working up a final quote but expects 45-60 less rebates. He’ll be back at 50 is my guess…

A new Geothermal would push 100k.

So many challenges in this stone walled building. Impossible to run a new set line to one of the remotes….ill agree it’s not the cut and dry new home construction type of installation.

Uffff

[dvarapala]

Insulation has nothing to do with the electric bill when it's gas heated :slap:

What runs the fan in her HVAC - unicorn farts? :D

[GTOguy]

What runs the fan in her HVAC - unicorn farts? :D

Exactly. Unless it's a gravity furnace in the basement. My dad's place had a 1926 Atlas furnace and it was still working fine when we sold the place in 2011. Big old octopus with an asbestos coated duct running to a floor vent in every room. No electricity except for the T-stat.

My old 1940 house in Oakland had two floor furnaces, gas, gravity. No ducts or fans. They lasted about 70 years and then took a dump. I had a new forced air system installed for $7k, and that lasted 10 years until it failed. I rinsed and repeated and sold the place a few years later. New stuff is shit quality.

[VatorMan]

I hope some building envelope insulation and caulking is in that quote. Hard to heat and cool when you include the great outdoors.

[Humanoid 3.0]

Today, furnace efficiency starts at 80% and go all the way up to 98%. Meaning at least 80% of the fuel burned is used to heat the home. Gravity furnaces on the other hand are lucky if they get to 50%. That's a lot of wasted fuel and energy.

[Don Rickles]

I hope some building envelope insulation and caulking is in that quote. Hard to heat and cool when you include the great outdoors.
It does not. I have a call in to an insulation contractor. I’ll replace completely the basement (crawl space) with new. Then approach every opening, window door etc. finally I’ll look into some blown in for the attic rafters.
Today, furnace efficiency starts at 80% and go all the way up to 98%. Meaning at least 80% of the fuel burned is used to heat the home. Gravity furnaces on the other hand are lucky if they get to 50%. That's a lot of wasted fuel and energy.

Yes. These numbers are for high end Bosch 96/98 iirc. It will be on the quote.

Heard a bunch of groans and umffs… it’s a difficult worksite surely will add to the labor time.

[Cool 50th AE]

I'm just 1 person living here.

$933.00 is crazy!

[dvarapala]

I'm just 1 person living here.

$933.00 is crazy!

That's outrageous! You should keep right on not paying it. :yesnod:

[TheHammer]

thanks Brandon!

[Don Rickles]

I'm just 1 person living here.

$933.00 is crazy!

Wow! Something has to be done about this GD Monopoly! PECO has to be up to some BS!!

[Humanoid 3.0]

I'm just 1 person living here.

$933.00 is crazy!

turn down the thermostat, why are you heating a whole house, just use a space heater in the room you are in. :yesnod:

Also those late payment fees will start to add up.

[Vandelay Industries]

I learnt over at TOP that you can heat your house and make hot water in your bathtub with a couple elements off a junk electric stove for just $3.72 a month.:yesnod: