2025 Dodge Ram

[lrobe22]

https://youtu.be/uhUTURCUyQs?feature=shared

6.7 Cummins, 8 speed (not sure the specs on it), revised interior, exterior. They ditched the lame shift dial also.

[MadInNc]

Dodge Ram------------> Only KoKo drives one forum

[Steve_R]

Dodge Ram------------> Only KoKo drives one forum

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[dvarapala]

All the fanbois are gonna be pissed you call it a Dodge. :D

[Steve_R]

All the fanbois are gonna be pissed you call it a Dodge. :D


Actually a Stellantis Ram. :yesnod:

[69camfrk]

Typical Chrysler quality. Pass...

[Swany00]

ford diesel>gm diesel>ram diesel

[dvarapala]

ford diesel>gm diesel>ram diesel

They're cumming because it's a Cummins. :D

[LATB]

I have friends that have the ram diesel trucks and they love them. I’ll stick with the Ford SuperDuty.
And I do not like that giant screen.

[TheHammer]

biggest truck depreciation in the industry

[Mike Mercury]

https://onpasture.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Funny-First-Dodge-Ram.jpg

[Yadkin]

All the fanbois are gonna be pissed you call it a Dodge. :D

Dodge in the dictionary: to avoid.

[WydGlydJim]

mine has been stellar.........I expect to have it for a long long time.

:seasix::seasix:

I like the new stuff, but dang it is too expensive!!!

:yesnod::(

[Yadkin]

Historically been the truck driven by DUIers.

[LATB]

Historically been the truck driven by DUIers.
:rofl:
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[A/E]

C D J R

Chrysler

Dodge

Jeep

RAM

Since 2009, 16 years now, Dodge Ram has spun off the Ram brand as a separate brand (commercial vehicle division), which means that they no longer run under the Dodge name.

The Dodge Ram full-size pickup truck debuted in 1981.

Thanks to the new galvanized steel body, the Dodge Ram not only weighed less than its predecessors, but was also much more resistant to rust. The hood of the Dodge pickup was adorned with a Ram hood ornament.

The Most Popular Color of the RAM in 1981 was . .

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" Shades of Rust "

STOP :slap: Calling a RAM a Dodge . . .

[Frankie the Fink]

Typical Chrysler quality. Pass...

Me too... Dodge/Chrysler?Jeep my family has two of their products and won't buy any more...

[LATB]

Me too... Dodge/Chrysler?Jeep my family has two of their products and won't buy any more...

I’ve had a Ram 1/2 ton I admit was a nice truck. Wife currently has a 6 year old jeep Cherokee that has been trouble free. But not interested in any more of their products.
At this point it’s Ford or Chevy for me.

[BRUIZER]

Last week when I checked, there were/are brand new 2023 Rams still sitting on dealers lots. That speaks volumes.

[Chemdawg69]

Last week when I checked, there were/are brand new 2023 Rams still sitting on dealers lots. That speaks volumes.

FWIW there are 72 2023 Silverado 2500s nationwide, along with 472 2023 Ford F250s (CarGurus). The 2023 Ram 2500s barely beat Ford at 479 units nationwide.

[AUTOHOLIC]

I find it hilarious that the vast majority of people that drive these oversized, diesel trucks that actually have no use for them. What I mean to say is unless you pulling heavy construction equipment or some type of oversized recreational trailer you really don’t need a diesel engine truck. And on top of that most people don’t need anything heavier than a half ton pickup. Most people use these trucks as a simple family people mover and like the convenience of having a pick up bed to hold a few things from Home Depot. Additionally, the ones that are driving around with four-wheel-drive and lift kits will never take them off road. All of it is laughable to me.

[LATB]

Additionally, the ones that are driving around with four-wheel-drive and lift kits will never take them off road. All of it is laughable to me.

I assume it’s also laughable that so many build their corvette to perform in ways that’s not used.

[lrobe22]

I find it hilarious that the vast majority of people that drive these oversized, diesel trucks that actually have no use for them. What I mean to say is unless you pulling heavy construction equipment or some type of oversized recreational trailer you really don’t need a diesel engine truck. And on top of that most people don’t need anything heavier than a half ton pickup. Most people use these trucks as a simple family people mover and like the convenience of having a pick up bed to hold a few things from Home Depot. Additionally, the ones that are driving around with four-wheel-drive and lift kits will never take them off road. All of it is laughable to me.

Guess I'm one of those goobers. I have a 6.7 F250 and have no plans to sell this thing anytime soon. I have no plans to step down to a half ton either. When you factor in, for example, GM half tons have largely been equiped with 8.2" aluminum IFS diffs, 27 spline transfer cases of which some are ultra shitty like the NP246, 8.5" 10 bolts, derivatives of the 700R4, 1310 sized driveshafts, etc. it was a pretty easy move to a Ford Super Duty. My current truck has a radius arm Dana 60 with manual hubs and 35 spline shafts, NP273, and selectable locker Sterling 10.5, big brakes, exhaust brake, 1350/1410 and larger u joints, and a stout 6 speed. It tows WAYYYY better than my 2500HD with 8.1/Allison did and isn't in the same galaxy when it compares to my old half tons.

Before upgrading to 1 tons in my half ton junk, I can tell you multiple times where I'd have issues from the truck with my 38.5" Boggers or TSL's even doing something simple like going in deep mud. I'm sure you've had the same experiences offroad.

The 250 does a great job when I'm towing 15,000 lbs of gooseneck going downhill on long spans. Guess I'm a goober because I don't want an under-spec'd truck that would runaway and kill innocent folks.:rofl: I really enjoy daily driving this truck even for tasks that a half ton could do like grabbing groceries.

Mind you, I have done multiple SAS's of which were 1 tons like 79 Ford Dana 60's and 10.5 14 Bolts with lockers, 1410 driveshafts, etc.. I can't think of one redeeming quality of half tons in general when it comes to durability, lifespan, and performance.

[lrobe22]

What cracks me up is when a half ton owner quotes their rated GVWR as a point of having the "right sized" truck and doesn't know a single thing about their axles, transfer case, transmission, or anything of functional use. The reality is if a half ton is sufficient for you, you probably tow NOTHING, just want a truck for social status, and would be better served with a Honda Ridgeline or Ford Maverick.

Have fun learning the hard way about the "strength" of the Park pawl in a half ton when you have a load behind the truck and shift to park.

[lrobe22]

I assume it’s also laughable that so many build their corvette to perform in ways that’s not used.

Being a car enthusiast is cool as long as you like what I like.:lol:

[LATB]

In most cases, if you see a family out in a nice 100 thousand dollar diesel HD truck on Saturday evening, he’s probably hauling and towing with it M-F.

And who gives a damn if a guy has more truck than he needs.

I have a PSD F250, could get it done with the Godzilla gasser. Could probably get by with a 1/2 ton although a little sketch in some cases. I damn near bought a dually and that is more iron than I need.

Hell most could live in a 2 bedroom 800 sq foot mobile home, but they don’t.

[lrobe22]

I'm all for people owning overbuilt vehicles. Less breakdowns, less tire blowouts, and safer roads. Not to mention more parts inventory like Ford Dana 60's on the secondary market.

Number of people that have sought out a 8.25" IFS front diff or rear 10 bolt from a half ton chevy for their offroad build: 0

[AUTOHOLIC]

Settle down boys! Read carefully my post and you will see what it says is the MAJORITY of these truck owners and I specify where the Need would be. If you have a need for this type of truck that’s wonderful and that’s what you should buy, but what I’m saying is it most people that are driving around in them don’t have a need for a diesel nor the four-wheel-drive or the lift kits.

Regarding how I build or drive, my cars really doesn’t fit in this discussion but I can tell you that what I have and or build I use every bit of it. If you don’t believe it and you’re in my area come on over and I’ll give you a ride.

I have had several four-wheel-drive‘s that I used pretty much exclusively for four-wheel-drive duty, such as the sand dunes in Mexico or the red rocks around Sedona. I bought one diesel pick up truck that I really didn’t have a need for, but the price was right and I couldn’t afford to pass it up.

[lrobe22]

I assume it’s also laughable that so many build their corvette to perform in ways that’s not used.

Owning a Corvette is the epitome of owning a car that you don't NEED.

[AUTOHOLIC]

Owning a Corvette is the epitome of owning a car that you don't NEED.

Depends on the person and or their family situation. I have owned Corvette since I was 19 years old and I’ve driven them daily. Currently all that I own are two Corvettes one El Camino an old F150 extra cab 2 Wheel Dr. and a 2011 RZR 900. However, I know I’m the exception of the rule with regards to most people and or their family situation as I am single, but have been married throughout my life with all these different cars as well.

[LATB]

Read carefully my post and you will see what it says is the MAJORITY of these truck owners and I specify where the Need would be. If you have a need for this type of truck that’s wonderful and that’s what you should buy, but what I’m saying is it most people that are driving around in them don’t have a need for a diesel nor the four-wheel-drive or the lift kits.
Not sure how you can qualify or quantify “majority” or “most”.

And what some are pointing out is who cares what truck someone drives.

Regarding how I build or drive, my cars really doesn’t fit in this discussion but I can tell you that what I have and or build I use every bit of it. If you don’t believe it and you’re in my area come on over and I’ll give you a ride.
And you don’t know if the guy with a diesel truck or lifted 4x4 uses every bit of it.

[AUTOHOLIC]

Not sure how you can qualify or quantify “majority” or “most”.

And what some are pointing out is who cares what truck someone drives.


And you don’t know if the guy with a diesel truck or lifted 4x4 uses every bit of it.

I have a pretty good eye and am pretty perceptive about most things especially automotive. When I say the majority I’m talking about what I see driving around in my town is it probably at least 75% of the people driving these vehicles are not taking them off road and they’re not towing anything with them. Those people could easily get by with a four-door 2 Wheel Dr. half ton or heavy duty half ton truck as they are only using it as I spoke of in my first post in this thread as a family sedan with a pick up bed.

[dvarapala]

:rofl:
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Maybe they should rename it to "DRAM?" :leaving:

[Steve_R]

I have a pretty good eye and am pretty perceptive about most things especially automotive. When I say the majority I’m talking about what I see driving around in my town is it probably at least 75% of the people driving these vehicles are not taking them off road and they’re not towing anything with them. Those people could easily get by with a four-door 2 Wheel Dr. half ton or heavy duty half ton truck as they are only using it as I spoke of in my first post in this thread as a family sedan with a pick up bed.


Why do you care? :shrug:

[LATB]

I have a pretty good eye and am pretty perceptive about most things especially automotive. When I say the majority I’m talking about what I see driving around in my town is it probably at least 75% of the people driving these vehicles are not taking them off road and they’re not towing anything with them. Those people could easily get by with a four-door 2 Wheel Dr. half ton or heavy duty half ton truck as they are only using it as I spoke of in my first post in this thread as a family sedan with a pick up bed.

How could you possibly know that?

[GTOguy]

God those new trucks are UGLY.

[GTOguy]

Owning a Corvette is the epitome of owning a car that you don't NEED.

I disagree. As a person without kids or dogs to haul around, my '61 Corvette has a reliable small block engine, manual transmission, and decent trunk. It's fun to drive, reliable, and gets me from A to B just fine.

[LATB]

God those new trucks are UGLY.

How new and when did the ugly start IYO?

[lrobe22]

God those new trucks are UGLY.

How new and when did the ugly start IYO?

https://richmonds.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Chevy-Silverado-White-28.jpg

[AUTOHOLIC]

How could you possibly know that?

It’s a small town and I know a lot of people here. Not to mention it’s pretty easy to tell something that’s been off-roading around here because of the “ Arizona pinstriping” that is pretty much standard for anything that’s off-roaded around here.

Regarding another posters, question, why do I care? I really don’t. It’s their money they can spend it the way they want, but as I said, I find the comical that people spend money like that that they’ll never get any of the intended use out of. Seems like a waste of money that could be spent better in other ways.

[LATB]

https://richmonds.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Chevy-Silverado-White-28.jpg

I think the HD Chevy and GMC look great, especially in the higher trim levels.

[LATB]

It’s a small town and I know a lot of people here. Not to mention it’s pretty easy to tell something that’s been off-roading around here because of the “ Arizona pinstriping” that is pretty much standard for anything that’s off-roaded around here.
So antidotal from one small town. OK

Regarding another posters, question, why do I care? I really don’t. It’s their money they can spend it the way they want, but as I said, I find the comical that people spend money like that that they’ll never get any of the intended use out of. Seems like a waste of money that could be spent better in other ways.
Wow. Really...wow.

[GTOguy]

How new and when did the ugly start IYO?

With the GM trucks, about 2019. That Edsel front end is hideous. The others are just massive. Looks like they have a garage door for a grille.

[lrobe22]

I think the HD Chevy and GMC look great, especially in the higher trim levels.

https://media.tumblr.com/28377c13664bfe739fc77bcfcfea72e0/tumblr_inline_mxh5jn30mx1rxhymf.gif

[Steve_R]

I think the HD Chevy and GMC look great, especially in the higher trim levels.

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[LATB]

With the GM trucks, about 2019. That Edsel front end is hideous. The others are just massive. Looks like they have a garage door for a grille.

I think this looks great!

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[LATB]

This too

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[lrobe22]

https://reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bert_eyes.gif

[LATB]

Beautiful Truck!

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[lrobe22]

The fake grill around the headlights is pretty lame. The XLT looks pretty good.

[LATB]

They look good dirty too. :D

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[Steve_R]

Lars, you’re overdue for getting your eyes examined.

[LATB]

Lars, you’re overdue for getting your eyes examined.

I have an appointment later this month. :D

[dvarapala]

The only trucks that look really good to me are the Raptors. :yesnod:

Clearly most people don't buy pickup trucks for the looks. :D

[Steve_R]

The only trucks that look really good to me are the Raptors. :yesnod:

Clearly most people don't buy Teslas pickup trucks for the looks. :D

Fixed

[dvarapala]

Fixed

Also true. :yesnod:

[LATB]

The only trucks that look really good to me are the Raptors. :yesnod:

Clearly most people don't buy pickup trucks for the looks. :D

Funny but I have always thought that the Raptor looked bastardized. Too many f150 shared parts that don’t really look right with the exaggerated body parts.

If I wanted the offroad capabilities and look I’d go with the F250 Tremor instead.

[dvarapala]

Funny but I have always thought that the Raptor looked bastardized. Too many f150 shared parts that don’t really look right with the exaggerated body parts.

If I wanted the offroad capabilities and look I’d go with the F250 Tremor instead.

Raptors have off-road capabilities? :shrug:

:D

[96 Vette CE]

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[dvarapala]

So you buying a 2025 Koko? :waiting:

I hear it pushes a mean snow plow... :D

[96 Vette CE]

So you buying a 2025 Koko? :waiting:

I hear it pushes a mean snow plow... :D

:Jeff '79:


This one still runs so good and has none of the nannies of the new ones :yesnod:

[WydGlydJim]

so the other day a guy in a semi, with a flatbed, and a very large dozer was stuck in a field next to the road.......he was trying to back up back onto the road.......every time he would get to a certain point/peak in the field to road transition, it would lift the weight off of the rear tractor tires, and he would just spin........totally stuck...........so I turned around, hooked the front of my RAM up to the trailer, and my truck walked that thing out, like it was nothing......so yeah, I don't need it every day, but when I do, I love having it. Semi driver was very glad I had it too........that would have probably cost him several hundred dollars to get out. wish I would have filmed it, would have made a great commercial.
:seasix:

[96 Vette CE]

so the other day a guy in a semi, with a flatbed, and a very large dozer was stuck in a field next to the road.......he was trying to back up back onto the road.......every time he would get to a certain point/peak in the field to road transition, it would lift the weight off of the rear tractor tires, and he would just spin........totally stuck...........so I turned around, hooked the front of my RAM up to the trailer, and my truck walked that thing out, like it was nothing......so yeah, I don't need it every day, but when I do, I love having it. Semi driver was very glad I had it too........that would have probably cost him several hundred dollars to get out. wish I would have filmed it, would have made a great commercial.
:seasix:

:seasix:


As much as I use my truck in the winter, I can honestly say that I've never been stuck with it, it's a beast in the snow :yesnod:

[ptindall]

When I say the majority I’m talking about what I see driving around in my town is it probably at least 75% of the people driving these vehicles are not taking them off road and they’re not towing anything with them.

These people may have a travel trailer or a boat in storage somewhere that they use a few times a year, but use the truck empty on a daily basis. How do you know they don't? I find it highly unlikely that 75% of people who spend the money for a HD diesel bought it for no reason and never tow anything. I find it much more likely that 75% of HD diesels you see on the road are empty and you assume they never tow anything when, in fact, lots of them do. They just also use them unloaded as a regular driver rather than buying another vehicle for that purpose.

[96 Vette CE]

These people may have a travel trailer or a boat in storage somewhere that they use a few times a year, but use the truck empty on a daily basis. How do you know they don't? I find it highly unlikely that 75% of people who spend the money for a HD diesel bought it for no reason and never tow anything. I find it much more likely that 75% of HD diesels you see on the road are empty and you assume they never tow anything when, in fact, lots of them do. They just also use them unloaded as a regular driver rather than buying another vehicle for that purpose.

:iagree:

Mine isn't an HD, but when it isn't plowing snow, it's my daily driver :yesnod:

[Kevin68]

I find it hilarious that the vast majority of people that drive these oversized, diesel trucks that actually have no use for them. What I mean to say is unless you pulling heavy construction equipment or some type of oversized recreational trailer you really don’t need a diesel engine truck. And on top of that most people don’t need anything heavier than a half ton pickup. Most people use these trucks as a simple family people mover and like the convenience of having a pick up bed to hold a few things from Home Depot. Additionally, the ones that are driving around with four-wheel-drive and lift kits will never take them off road. All of it is laughable to me.

Boo!

[LATB]

These people may have a travel trailer or a boat in storage somewhere that they use a few times a year, but use the truck empty on a daily basis. How do you know they don't? I find it highly unlikely that 75% of people who spend the money for a HD diesel bought it for no reason and never tow anything. I find it much more likely that 75% of HD diesels you see on the road are empty and you assume they never tow anything when, in fact, lots of them do. They just also use them unloaded as a regular driver rather than buying another vehicle for that purpose.

Yes.
I made the same point earlier.
Just because you see a guy with his family on Saturday evening at the Applebees parking lot in a diesel truck, doesn’t mean he isn’t towing a piece of equipment on a triple axle deck-over Monday-Friday.

And at 100 large, I would bet that the vast majority of them are being used for their intended capabilities. Not 75% are rich kids who just want a big truck.

[erickpl]

In most cases, if you see a family out in a nice 100 thousand dollar diesel HD truck on Saturday evening, he’s probably hauling and towing with it M-F.

And who gives a damn if a guy has more truck than he needs.

I have a PSD F250, could get it done with the Godzilla gasser. Could probably get by with a 1/2 ton although a little sketch in some cases. I damn near bought a dually and that is more iron than I need.

Hell most could live in a 2 bedroom 800 sq foot mobile home, but they don’t.

I have a half ton (2017 Ram 1500 Sport), but as I head to retirement and our plans for travel with our travel trailer, a 3/4 truck makes more and more sense. My internal battle is gas v diesel. For normal pulling, either would work (that Godzilla in the Fords has me interested!), but once we get out west in the mountains, diesel would shine and pull better (not to mention engine braking).

Been looking at used models so somebody else takes the depreciation hit, but with towing 1-2 weekends a month right now, I'm not sure diesel makes sense NOW, but it will in a few years.

I haven't ruled out Ram, Chevy, OR Ford at this point, but been doing comparisons of power, HP, torque, transmissions, etc to make the best decision for us. For the folks on here that have given impressions of their trucks, it is really appreciated getting firsthand info on their truck's longevity and performance.

[GTOguy]

I have a half ton (2017 Ram 1500 Sport), but as I head to retirement and our plans for travel with our travel trailer, a 3/4 truck makes more and more sense. My internal battle is gas v diesel. For normal pulling, either would work (that Godzilla in the Fords has me interested!), but once we get out west in the mountains, diesel would shine and pull better (not to mention engine braking).

Been looking at used models so somebody else takes the depreciation hit, but with towing 1-2 weekends a month right now, I'm not sure diesel makes sense NOW, but it will in a few years.

I haven't ruled out Ram, Chevy, OR Ford at this point, but been doing comparisons of power, HP, torque, transmissions, etc to make the best decision for us. For the folks on here that have given impressions of their trucks, it is really appreciated getting firsthand info on their truck's longevity and performance.

If I towed often, I would for sure get a diesel, and likely, an old 12 valve Cummins powered Dodge that was pre urea and pre-smog.
I've towed with my '05 Tundra 4x4 several times, and it does just fine, but it is a half-ton and only has 325-ish foot pounds of torque. Diesel is the way to go if you tow.

[The_Dude]

I have a half ton (2017 Ram 1500 Sport), but as I head to retirement and our plans for travel with our travel trailer, a 3/4 truck makes more and more sense. My internal battle is gas v diesel. For normal pulling, either would work (that Godzilla in the Fords has me interested!), but once we get out west in the mountains, diesel would shine and pull better (not to mention engine braking).

Been looking at used models so somebody else takes the depreciation hit, but with towing 1-2 weekends a month right now, I'm not sure diesel makes sense NOW, but it will in a few years.

I haven't ruled out Ram, Chevy, OR Ford at this point, but been doing comparisons of power, HP, torque, transmissions, etc to make the best decision for us. For the folks on here that have given impressions of their trucks, it is really appreciated getting firsthand info on their truck's longevity and performance.
Certainly pluses and minuses for both.
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins and 6-speed manual. It pulls anything.
Diesel fuel is as expensive as premium gas, but you get better fuel economy with the diesel so that's a wash.
Service visits are more expensive and you have to buy DEF.
Diesel engines typically last longer if maintained properly.
Diesel trucks typically have better resale value as well.

[lrobe22]

I have a half ton (2017 Ram 1500 Sport), but as I head to retirement and our plans for travel with our travel trailer, a 3/4 truck makes more and more sense. My internal battle is gas v diesel. For normal pulling, either would work (that Godzilla in the Fords has me interested!), but once we get out west in the mountains, diesel would shine and pull better (not to mention engine braking).

Been looking at used models so somebody else takes the depreciation hit, but with towing 1-2 weekends a month right now, I'm not sure diesel makes sense NOW, but it will in a few years.

I haven't ruled out Ram, Chevy, OR Ford at this point, but been doing comparisons of power, HP, torque, transmissions, etc to make the best decision for us. For the folks on here that have given impressions of their trucks, it is really appreciated getting firsthand info on their truck's longevity and performance.

If you want a depreciated truck your best bet is the Godzilla. The diesels hold too much value and the only cheap diesels are beaten to death hotshot trucks in road salt. Stability and braking in a diesel with an exhaust brake is monumentally helpful on long steep grades like switchbacks or the Eisenhower.
87 octane is cheaper than diesel in most cases and youll spend less on scheduled maintenance with lower oil capacities and no DEF or expensive fuel filters.

Conversely if you want a new or CPO truck that will hold value, diesel makes the most sense for a lot of us. Pulling a long trailer and refueling is WAY more convenient at a truck stop diesel lane versus waiting at a gasoline pump to wiggle in a tight space.

[RedLS1GTO]

I find it hilarious that the vast majority of people that drive these oversized, diesel trucks that actually have no use for them. What I mean to say is unless you pulling heavy construction equipment or some type of oversized recreational trailer you really don’t need a diesel engine truck. And on top of that most people don’t need anything heavier than a half ton pickup. Most people use these trucks as a simple family people mover and like the convenience of having a pick up bed to hold a few things from Home Depot. Additionally, the ones that are driving around with four-wheel-drive and lift kits will never take them off road. All of it is laughable to me.

Is that any more hilarious than people driving Corvettes than will never see a track? A 4 door sedan that never has anybody in the back seat?

Who gives a shit if someone buys a car or truck and doesn't use all of the capabilities... :shrug:

[RedLS1GTO]

I haven't ruled out Ram, Chevy, OR Ford at this point, but been doing comparisons of power, HP, torque, transmissions, etc to make the best decision for us. For the folks on here that have given impressions of their trucks, it is really appreciated getting firsthand info on their truck's longevity and performance.

If you're looking at the diesels for anything that would be considered "normal" towing as well as around town driving, save yourself a lot of time and stop comparing specs. We've reached a point where they're all insanely capable and for the most part very reliable. They're all going to get similar fuel mileage. They're all going to do damn near the exact same thing. They all tow very well. They all have assloads of power.

Buy whichever you like the most, whichever you think drives the best, whichever has something that you like above the others.

Clearly I don't know about longevity on the new one, but my 2015 GMC ran like a champ for a decade. The only issue it ever had was an EGR system issue after it was out of warranty. I was planning on tuning it, so I did and just bypassed it completely along with DEF. Bonus that the tune gave way more than I expected in both power and improved mileage.

Some impressions of my GMC Denali:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138122

[erickpl]

If you're looking at the diesels for anything that would be considered "normal" towing as well as around town driving, save yourself a lot of time and stop comparing specs. We've reached a point where they're all insanely capable and for the most part very reliable. They're all going to get similar fuel mileage. They're all going to do damn near the exact same thing. They all tow very well. They all have assloads of power.

Buy whichever you like the most, whichever you think drives the best, whichever has something that you like above the others.

Clearly I don't know about longevity on the new one, but my 2015 GMC ran like a champ for a decade. The only issue it ever had was an EGR system issue after it was out of warranty. I was planning on tuning it, so I did and just bypassed it completely along with DEF. Bonus that the tune gave way more than I expected in both power and improved mileage.

Some impressions of my GMC Denali:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138122

Yeah, I saw that thread and really like the setup you went with. LOVE the idea of the 3500 frame and rear setup for the 2500. I have to admit, the Ram and GMC appeal to me most visually, and you're right, with diesel, they will all haul my 10000 lb trailer with no issues. I just wasn't sure I'd drive it enough around town, etc to work that diesel engine the way it really needs to versus sitting quite a bit. We use my wife's EV for all around town stuff unless the weather sucks or we have a big costco or Home Depot run. LOL

That's primarily what keeps me having the gassers in the mix, even at the 2500 level. The Godzilla engine from Ford tops them, and I've talked a LOT with Ram 2500 6.4 gas owners about towing and it seems that the mountains present challenges that diesels don't even sweat over. I'm still a ways off from a decision, so I have time, but your GMC really helps bump them up in my rankings - that is a good looking rig that will handle your towing, so I know it'll handle mine.

[RedLS1GTO]

That's primarily what keeps me having the gassers in the mix, even at the 2500 level. The Godzilla engine from Ford tops them, and I've talked a LOT with Ram 2500 6.4 gas owners about towing and it seems that the mountains present challenges that diesels don't even sweat over. I'm still a ways off from a decision, so I have time, but your GMC really helps bump them up in my rankings - that is a good looking rig that will handle your towing, so I know it'll handle mine.

I've towed many 6-10k pound loads through mountains with gassers. It's certainly within the capabilities of the trucks to do so.

With that said, there's a reason that as long as I have a need to tow, even if that was just occasionally, I will always own a diesel vs gas.

Beyond the initial cost, there really is not a downside. The initial cost in my experience is made up for with resale on the back end. The big tradeoff for me was towing vs. daily. Despite more power, it doesn't tow quite as well as my old dually, but it is more than capable. The big gain is that I can drive it daily which was an absolute pain in the ass with the old truck. I daily drive the new truck with no issue whatsoever and when I need it, I can hook up the camper or race trailers and go anywhere I want to go with no problem.

[LATB]

Yeah, I saw that thread and really like the setup you went with. LOVE the idea of the 3500 frame and rear setup for the 2500. I have to admit, the Ram and GMC appeal to me most visually, and you're right, with diesel, they will all haul my 10000 lb trailer with no issues. I just wasn't sure I'd drive it enough around town, etc to work that diesel engine the way it really needs to versus sitting quite a bit. We use my wife's EV for all around town stuff unless the weather sucks or we have a big costco or Home Depot run. LOL

That's primarily what keeps me having the gassers in the mix, even at the 2500 level. The Godzilla engine from Ford tops them, and I've talked a LOT with Ram 2500 6.4 gas owners about towing and it seems that the mountains present challenges that diesels don't even sweat over. I'm still a ways off from a decision, so I have time, but your GMC really helps bump them up in my rankings - that is a good looking rig that will handle your towing, so I know it'll handle mine.

If you buy the Ford F250 with the high capacity trailer package, you essentially are getting the F350 SRW truck.
The high capacity option gives you the same suspension, brakes, axles as the F350. It’s actually the exact same truck except for the door jamb sticker.

I’m not sure how Chevy and Ram do it.

I could own any one of the three HD diesel trucks. :cert:

[vettemed]

I still love my gas big-block 8.1. But, if I was hauling heavy loads often, the diesel would be an obvious choice.

Course, the last 8.1 truck rolled off the line almost 20 years ago...

[GTOguy]

Certainly pluses and minuses for both.
I have a 2018 Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins and 6-speed manual. It pulls anything.
Diesel fuel is as expensive as premium gas, but you get better fuel economy with the diesel so that's a wash.
Service visits are more expensive and you have to buy DEF.
Diesel engines typically last longer if maintained properly.
Diesel trucks typically have better resale value as well.

Not often seen and a HUGE advantage IMO. Agree with all of the above. Have seen these rigs do 500k miles when maintained and do it all without a whimper. Have a buddy with a 3 axle 44 foot long Fuzion Chrome toy-hauler and his '03 Dodge 3/4 ton with the 5.9 Cummins pulls it like it's not there.

[Vince Clortho]

so the other day a guy in a semi, with a flatbed, and a very large dozer was stuck in a field next to the road.......he was trying to back up back onto the road.......every time he would get to a certain point/peak in the field to road transition, it would lift the weight off of the rear tractor tires, and he would just spin........totally stuck...........so I turned around, hooked the front of my RAM up to the trailer, and my truck walked that thing out, like it was nothing......so yeah, I don't need it every day, but when I do, I love having it. Semi driver was very glad I had it too........that would have probably cost him several hundred dollars to get out. wish I would have filmed it, would have made a great commercial.
:seasix:

Like a rock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL4OeiMjvtk

[Vince Clortho]

This is my dream truck for the Ponderosa.
120628

120629

[PLRX]

Actually a Stellantis Ram. :yesnod:

:iagree:

[LATB]

120628

120629

Pass. Hard pass.

[Kevin68]

Not often seen and a HUGE advantage IMO. Agree with all of the above. Have seen these rigs do 500k miles when maintained and do it all without a whimper. Have a buddy with a 3 axle 44 foot long Fuzion Chrome toy-hauler and his '03 Dodge 3/4 ton with the 5.9 Cummins pulls it like it's not there.

One of my clients put 1,000,000 miles on his Powerstroke. No rebuild. He is landman so most of his driving was long rural trips.